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Mrs Always Right
Daedalus Unlimited Operations
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Posted - 2016.12.03 19:57:54 -
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Recently my post in "General Discussions" asking the community about their opinions on this was shut down because it was "disruptive in nature" and "provoked players". Completely lost and confused about the new "definition" on trolling, I come here and ask all of you that we request an ability to change genders.
Many are saying I'm doing this because I'm a troller but no, I simply do this because I want to change one of my characters' gender to male. That should not be considered an outlandish request? Considering the advancement of today's society and CCP's usual forward-thinking tendencies, it really shouldn't be something out of the ordinary to change genders.
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
122
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Posted - 2016.12.03 20:18:47 -
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Mrs Always Right wrote:Recently my post in "General Discussions" asking the community about their opinions on this was shut down because it was "disruptive in nature" and "provoked players". Completely lost and confused about the new "definition" on trolling, I come here and ask all of you that we request an ability to change genders.
Many are saying I'm doing this because I'm a troller but no, I simply do this because I want to change one of my characters' gender to male. That should not be considered an outlandish request? Considering the advancement of today's society and CCP's usual forward-thinking tendencies, it really shouldn't be something out of the ordinary to change genders.
You really want to pay money for that? Its a game.. good grief. Oh and IB4L |
Mrs Always Right
Daedalus Unlimited Operations
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Posted - 2016.12.03 20:28:44 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mrs Always Right wrote:Recently my post in "General Discussions" asking the community about their opinions on this was shut down because it was "disruptive in nature" and "provoked players". Completely lost and confused about the new "definition" on trolling, I come here and ask all of you that we request an ability to change genders.
Many are saying I'm doing this because I'm a troller but no, I simply do this because I want to change one of my characters' gender to male. That should not be considered an outlandish request? Considering the advancement of today's society and CCP's usual forward-thinking tendencies, it really shouldn't be something out of the ordinary to change genders.
You really want to pay money for that? Its a game.. good grief. Oh and IB4L
That's exactly the point, it's a game and you can't change genders |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3627
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Posted - 2016.12.03 20:41:50 -
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Cant see a problem with this, but why do you want to change your chars gender so much?
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Mrs Always Right
Daedalus Unlimited Operations
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Posted - 2016.12.03 21:00:50 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Cant see a problem with this, but why do you want to change your chars gender so much?
Because I'm tired of being a girl? I mean, the point is why isn't the option available :(((( |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3627
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Posted - 2016.12.03 22:10:56 -
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Possibly because it has no gameplay impact at all and the amount of people who'd use it isn't enough to make it worth doing.
You might think it should be possible, others might think 'tired of being a girl? Boo hoo. So what?'
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Mrs Always Right
Daedalus Unlimited Operations
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Posted - 2016.12.03 22:23:04 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:Possibly because it has no gameplay impact at all and the amount of people who'd use it isn't enough to make it worth doing.
You might think it should be possible, others might think 'tired of being a girl? Boo hoo. So what?'
Exactly that. SInce it would have no impact at all, shouldn't it be implemented? I have no experience in coding at all, and correct me if I'm wrong, but if you can already resculpt your character, shouldn't changing your gender be even easier as it mainly is a cosmetic thing as well? |
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
2779
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Posted - 2016.12.03 22:41:30 -
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I don't have a problem with this, assuming that you keep the same name. Have fun being a dude named Mrs. Always Right. I think people are opposed to it because they think the next step is people asking for name changes.
CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.
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Jerghul
Running with Dogs Stella Nova
34
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Posted - 2016.12.03 22:44:59 -
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+1
Why not have it as part of the resculpting option?
It even works EvE lore wise.
Blocked list: Teckos, Sonya, Wander, Baltec1
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3627
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Posted - 2016.12.03 23:14:25 -
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Mrs Always Right wrote: Exactly that. SInce it would have no impact at all, shouldn't it be implemented?
Not necessarily. In my line of work there is a mantra that goes 'effort must be equitable'. Which means don't waste time on the small things unless the effort to do it is even smaller.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3343
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Posted - 2016.12.04 10:13:49 -
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eve is about consequences of your choices now you want to be able to renege the third one you made? forget gender politics that just doesn't sound eve
not to mention there are better ways to spend the devs time
BLOPS Hauler
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Red Frog Rufen
Red Frog Freight Red-Frog
328
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Posted - 2016.12.05 09:41:19 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:eve is about consequences of your choices now you want to be able to renege the third one you made? forget gender politics that just doesn't sound eve
not to mention there are better ways to spend the devs time
according to your logic, the gender is a consequences of your choice, but not the apparence?
hahaha
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morion
Lighting Build
151
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Posted - 2016.12.05 10:08:22 -
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Gender and Name should stay locked.
You made it own it !
Skill extractor kill it. (option available )
people that may want to cross dress whats next?
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3737
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Posted - 2016.12.05 10:20:51 -
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morion wrote:Gender and Name should stay locked. You made it own it ! Skill extractor kill it. (option available ) people that may want to cross dress whats next? Gender reassignment with horrible disfigurement. And? Who cares if people want to cross dress. It's not exactly going to affect any in game stats. The only reason I'd be against cross dressing is because I know how EVE character models work and therefore the work needed to enable it would be vast. However assuming the Resculpt option uses the same code as the character creator, changing Gender isn't a huge coding process, they just have to jump back a step in the character creator. Therefore I see it as a low work good reward scenario for CCP to enable gender changes, resculpts are not unlimited after all, and are purely cosmetic, your gender gives you no bonuses and changing it doesn't matter (Unless you are cybering really). It's not like changing a name, because you don't recognise people via face in EVE anyway. |
morion
Lighting Build
151
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Posted - 2016.12.05 10:53:46 -
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I"m not against cross dressing. would make fun role play.
I'm against gender change. In such that if done. Character become some "third" thing monster type visually.
and it's ugly and permanent and is a dice role type face body disaster hormone imbalance.
I am against name change.
Changing gender should not be allowed. becoming a medical disaster should be.
If done people will see you did it. with there eyes.
And a gender flag icon applied to the portrait. for the shame factor.
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Lugh Crow-Slave
3353
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Posted - 2016.12.05 10:58:49 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:your gender gives you no bonuses and changing it doesn't matter (Unless you are cybering really). It's not like changing a name, because you don't recognise people via face in EVE anyway.
well no psychologically your gender even in something as insignificant as a portrait can make a difference and does indeed matter.
BLOPS Hauler
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morion
Lighting Build
151
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Posted - 2016.12.05 11:19:34 -
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moor thinking ...
well if the medical rout was taken the bone structure would remain.
The process would result in forced cross dressing to the originating skeleton.
Y'all Freaks anyway . |
baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18466
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Posted - 2016.12.05 11:41:02 -
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You have 3 slots per account, use one of the other 2 slots. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1221
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Posted - 2016.12.05 12:29:57 -
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get out with your sick idea about gender nonsense. its a game and it should stay free of such. We don't need mental disorders getting implemented while bugs stay unfixed for months, get real. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
667
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Posted - 2016.12.05 12:36:26 -
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I hear Eve now has F2P accounts and skill injectors/extractors
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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AlexHalstead
Viziam Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2016.12.05 17:13:32 -
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Lore wise it isn't that HARD to do because we are all CLONES in EVE. Swapping one body for a different clone body providing its brain morphology is same. |
PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
247
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Posted - 2016.12.05 23:37:29 -
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I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. |
Stevn Thomas
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2016.12.06 02:14:52 -
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PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. One of my friends would be doing it every freaking day if they could.
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Iracham
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.09 04:53:15 -
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Since I've spent the last year doing it IRL, I'd love to be able to do it here too, the cost of a resculpt would be fine IMO. (No, I'm not going to re-create a nearly 11 year old character with a history.)
Although, I don't care one way or the other about a name change (in-game that is; I am changing my name IRL). I didn't know I was trans when I started playing EVE 11 years ago or I could've really saved myself the hassle and just made a female avatar. Although, my original portrait was a lot more effeminate, so if nothing else I kinda miss the long men's hair styles too.
Plus, my friends wouldn't have to keep listening to me keep complaining about it. |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3380
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Posted - 2016.12.09 05:38:15 -
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PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way.
to lazy to re-type
BLOPS Hauler
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
259
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Posted - 2016.12.09 09:20:25 -
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Lugh Crow-Slave wrote:PopeUrban wrote:I don't see a reason this shouldn't be part of the resculpt item in the NEX already.
After all, character gender has literally zero gameplay effects outside of determining which space clothes you can use.
Might sell more resculpts that way. to lazy to re-type
Yet they already sell resculpts. Your point is invalidated for this reason. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2383
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:10:33 -
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Mrs Always Right wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Mrs Always Right wrote:Recently my post in "General Discussions" asking the community about their opinions on this was shut down because it was "disruptive in nature" and "provoked players". Completely lost and confused about the new "definition" on trolling, I come here and ask all of you that we request an ability to change genders.
Many are saying I'm doing this because I'm a troller but no, I simply do this because I want to change one of my characters' gender to male. That should not be considered an outlandish request? Considering the advancement of today's society and CCP's usual forward-thinking tendencies, it really shouldn't be something out of the ordinary to change genders.
You really want to pay money for that? Its a game.. good grief. Oh and IB4L That's exactly the point, it's a game and you can't change genders
You can change genders. Put all your dudette's SP into injectors, delete the character, roll up a dude and inject the skills. I see it like this. Step one - change genders. Step two - my character's name doesn't match it's gender..... can we please change character names too??? And off we go into THAT bad idea again.
IRL few trans gender folks keep their name. IRL that's fine and great. In this game it's not. Trust is at a premium and characters create and define their reputations and this has lasting effects. Being able to change things easily and on a whim with a bag of isk would just make a difficult and frustrating game more frustrating. The only real arguments I've encountered for all these forms of character switchery boil down to I screwed up (bad name choice) or I changed my mind on character gender (your case).
So to recap: IRL you can't have multiple people that you can inhabit, so things like being transgender and changing your name are valid options (some would say imperatives). In Eve you can roll up a new character at any time, you can have multiple characters, and CCP has given you a mechanism to transfer SP between them. You need to understand the differences between RL society and it's advancement and Eve. I can't threaten kill and bully the same person in real life without real consequences, but I can change my name and be transgender. I can kill (multiple times) threaten and bully a character in eve without real consequences, but I can't change my name or be transgender. Thinking about it, you really can't ever kill a character in Eve - period. The most you can do is blow up it's imaginary ship and pod and force a reboot in an imaginary medical station. IRL just isn't the same as In Eve Life.
RL - there's just one you, so changing you makes sense. Eve - an infinite number of you is possible, so changing in game character identifiers does not make sense.
TL/DR There is no need for a transgender option due to skill injectors and the multiple character generation options already available in Eve. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
517
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:47:34 -
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Totally for this, but that should come as no surprise since I'm also for paid name changes. Changing genders for a price, especially since rescuplts are available, should be a no-brainer.
The only game play that this affects is the the requesting player's.
Asking a player to scrap a multi-year character with an established history, because the player wants to change their avatar is ridiculous. SP drugs don't move history, just SP.
The 'meaningful consequences' thing is complete bunk, and has no meaning for things of a strictly personal and asthetic nature.
So, what's the deal now? Are you memorizing peoples portraits in order to remember pilots? (Resculpts already exits). Are you assuming feminine or masculine traits when dealing with said pilot? (In a game where the vast majority of feminine avatars are for G.I.R.L.s?) Are you projecting your own or your countries social prejudice? (at least that would be an honest answer...)
Seriously though, that last one was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The shoe will fit quite a few, but I'm pretty sure that most pilots probably just don't give a damn what avatar another pilot uses.
The only argument that I can even fathom as being logical, is the unwillingness to "waste dev's time". I mind you, I don't buy that rhetoric, but at least it makes a tiny bit of sense.
I'm going to keep advocating for paid name changes, and I'll keep losing until I win... that's the EvE way, after all. Paid gender swaps don't need an advocate... they just need to happen.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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morion
Lighting Build
156
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Posted - 2016.12.10 18:32:16 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Totally for this, but that should come as no surprise since I'm also for paid name changes. Changing genders for a price, especially since rescuplts are available, should be a no-brainer.
The only game play that this affects is the the requesting player's.
Asking a player to scrap a multi-year character with an established history, because the player wants to change their avatar is ridiculous. SP drugs don't move history, just SP.
The 'meaningful consequences' thing is complete bunk, and has no meaning for things of a strictly personal and asthetic nature.
So, what's the deal now? Are you memorizing peoples portraits in order to remember pilots? (Resculpts already exits). Are you assuming feminine or masculine traits when dealing with said pilot? (In a game where the vast majority of feminine avatars are for G.I.R.L.s?) Are you projecting your own or your countries social prejudice? (at least that would be an honest answer...)
Seriously though, that last one was a bit tongue-in-cheek. The shoe will fit quite a few, but I'm pretty sure that most pilots probably just don't give a damn what avatar another pilot uses.
The only argument that I can even fathom as being logical, is the unwillingness to "waste dev's time". I mind you, I don't buy that rhetoric, but at least it makes a tiny bit of sense.
I'm going to keep advocating for paid name changes, and I'll keep losing until I win... that's the EvE way, after all. Paid gender swaps don't need an advocate... they just need to happen.
--Gadget
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Amarisen Gream
Divine Demise Sherwood Hisec Industrial Technologies
303
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Posted - 2016.12.11 04:33:16 -
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Holy flying flock of squirrels.
How did this thread go from a simple extra step in the character re-sculpture to some political and moral discussion about how gender changes are evil to name changes?
Gender changes - sure why the flock not. Just add it to the current set up and be done with it. It's a video game, and politics and real life morals should not dictate what limits people have in the game. For flying dragon penises, we fly around killing each other and ganking industrial players all the time. Real life morals and beliefs don't stand a fleas arse in this game.
And Gadget, sorry. I can't support name name changes unless they make stricter naming rules.
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