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Enzo Pasquale
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:32:06 -
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Thanks for the alpha clone, but it seems exploration is not turning out to be what I expected and what some fellow players have described to me.
I've been running around and scanning all day looking specifically for data/relic sites. I would say 90% of what I find is a wormhole... and the other 10% have been combat sites that are far too hard for my little frig. I have yet to find a data, relic, or gas site at all.
Am I missing something? Are these sites found and gone in the matter of minutes? If that's the case I'll be glad to uninstall this game and tend to other needs. I've tried areas away from the population and I'm still getting shafted.
What's the deal here? |
Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:33:42 -
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The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year. |
Enzo Pasquale
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:38:09 -
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What knowledge and experience do I need? Care to share?
If jumping from system to system and scanning every cosmic signature I see is wrong, then please tell me the best way. As much time and effort as I put in, the truth is in the statistics of what I've been scanning. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
46169
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:43:41 -
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Are you in highsec?
If by all day, you specifically mean in the last 24 hours, Sunday is the busiest day of the week in terms of numbers of players online. The peak tops out over 50,000 during the EU/US cross over time.
So if you are exploring in highsec, it's most likely that competition are beating you to the sites. There's lots of alpha clones out exploring.
I scanned a dozen relic sites in my area of Syndicate during the day.
So maybe look for some quieter area of space to explore. You'll find sites remain longer.
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Enzo Pasquale
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.04 20:46:09 -
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Thanks, I'll give another go tomorrow. |
Demonspawn 666
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.04 22:24:33 -
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I'm new to scanning, but found 2 data and 2 relic sites today before it got busy.
But once it got busier I gave up, no point in doing anything on a sunday!
Keep at it, give it a try during the week when there is less pressure on the sites. Check the map for likely systems with low numbers of pilots. |
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
1812
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Posted - 2016.12.04 22:42:51 -
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Enzo Pasquale wrote:Thanks for the alpha clone, but it seems exploration is not turning out to be what I expected and what some fellow players have described to me.
I've been running around and scanning all day looking specifically for data/relic sites. I would say 90% of what I find is a wormhole... and the other 10% have been combat sites that are far too hard for my little frig. I have yet to find a data, relic, or gas site at all.
Am I missing something? Are these sites found and gone in the matter of minutes? If that's the case I'll be glad to uninstall this game and tend to other needs. I've tried areas away from the population and I'm still getting shafted.
What's the deal here?
Go to less busy regions. Get out of high-sec. The sites there are not only hard to find because everyone is running them, but they also pay sh*t.
Low, null and wormholes is where the good stuff is at. Take a cheap explorer ship in there, expect to die, but learn new things in the process.
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Satchel Darkmatter
Massive Dynamic inc. Care Factor
20
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Posted - 2016.12.04 23:49:34 -
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Enzo Pasquale wrote:Thanks, I'll give another go tomorrow.
Open your map in game, put it into abstract view(flat view) and look for dead end systems, thats a system with 1 gate or look for what we call pocket systems which can be described as a small group of say 3 or 4 systems that are a dead end tucked away behind a pipe system which is a system with 1 gate in and 1 gate out, these systems in High Sec are good to look in.
Secondly all those wormholes you have been finding are full of data and relic sites, but there are a few things you need to know first.
First of all Wormhole's are dangerous, unlike Highsec you will be attacked on sight most of the time, the good news is that it's got no local unless you actually talk so the only way people will know your in a hole is if they see you on D-Scan, try finding a C1 or C2 wormhole and scan those down for data and relic sites you should have a lot better luck, and more profit, just be aware tho this extra profit comes at the added risk of player vs player attacks.
Can an Alpha fit a normal cloak? if so what you need to do is enter the wormhole Burn off the hole in any direction about 50k and then stop release your probes then cloak your ship, also never forget to bookmark the hole so you can find your way out.
I would scan down everything in the hole until you have a few data/relic sites visible then if you feel the hole is clear of hostiles decloak and jump to your first site, on your way there while in warp make a new bookmark and call it safe, this is a spot you can run to that's hard for an enemy to reach you on, you want it away from the hole and the site your going to, right in the middle if possible, you can make a bookmark while your moving just look up the shortcut key.
For your first few wormhole incursions I would do one or two sites and then get out with any loot and store it, its likely that you will die a few times as you find your feet so store your goods often at the start, once your better you will be able to start diving deeper into connected wormholes and gather more loot before you bolt for home.
Things to note, always bookmark your exit hole and call the bookmark EXIT do this in every hole you enter so if your 5 wormholes in you just want to warp to your Exit jump, Warp to your Exit Jump and eventually you will be back in safe space.
Another thing there could be 100 or 1000 players in the hole with you, they could all be sitting 100 meter's from you watching you and you will never know until they attack worm holes have a habbit of making people jumpy try and get over that feeling as quickly as possible because you will die, you will lose loot dont let it hold you back because I assure you the times you make it out will be very very profitable and will more than cover the costs of your lost ships.
Another thing is that some holes are owned/lived in by Wormhole corps so be aware of this if you warp to any citidels or moon's they may have hostile stations.
hope this helps, I remember my first few wormholes lost some ships, had some epic chases loads of fun and way more intense than just warping around and scanning HighSec.
One final thing, do a little research on wormhole types, get the info on any wormhole you enter as they can collapse when you jump through, try not to enter any that are nearing the end of their life.
good luck. fly safe. and watch D-Scan, if in doubt warp out.
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Dibz
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
141
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Posted - 2016.12.05 00:25:54 -
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Vigirr wrote:The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year.
A characteristically dickish response from you. Is it too difficult to respond like a normal person at least every now and again?
Exploring's a bit of a crapshoot. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. The dry runs are frustrating. |
Selene Dukat
Space Ants Army of New Eden
12
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Posted - 2016.12.05 00:36:00 -
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Enzo Pasquale wrote:Thanks for the alpha clone, but it seems exploration is not turning out to be what I expected and what some fellow players have described to me.
I've been running around and scanning all day looking specifically for data/relic sites. I would say 90% of what I find is a wormhole... and the other 10% have been combat sites that are far too hard for my little frig. I have yet to find a data, relic, or gas site at all.
Am I missing something? Are these sites found and gone in the matter of minutes? If that's the case I'll be glad to uninstall this game and tend to other needs. I've tried areas away from the population and I'm still getting shafted.
What's the deal here?
Training up scanning skills to 4 or higher, plus training up to T2 exploration ships for their bonuses is a must. That doesn't mean you can't have better luck before you get all that trained, but just remember that's the ultimate goal. At my skill level, it really doesn't matter much if the ratio of relic sites to trash sites is about 1:5, you can probe so fast it doesn't matter.
Are you in high sec? I feel you will possibly be disappointed with exploration if you don't make the move to nullsec exploration. The isk rewards for high sec exploration are poor and the competition is steep. Even if you don't feel ready/able to live in nullsec, you can take a cov ops explorer frigate out to null sec and just duck enemies. Yes, its dangerous - but if your careful you can do sites there that are extremely lucrative.
Regardless of where you are located, one tip would be to plan your travel route for exploration by filtering DOTLAN to show Jumps in the Last Hour for each system - then look for a quiet part of space where there have been as few jumps as possible. Then make your path / loop through those systems.
For reference, I am just heading back to my home system in null, after a light afternoon of exploration. It was a mediocre outing, in that it only netted me 108 million isk.
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.05 01:00:01 -
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Learn about running data and relic sites in wormhole space. At times, I thought in the lower C1-C3 wormholes you could find high end pirate faction relic and data sites. These can be lucrative. You just need to learn how to survive in wormhole space. |
Commander Spurty
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Posted - 2016.12.05 01:22:00 -
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Problem is that they are easy to run, respawn rate is many hours later and everyone can do them. Very low entry bar. You need to go where others fear to explore. Seriously. Find a dead low sec area or continue "just missing it"!
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Spurty
1653
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Posted - 2016.12.05 01:22:00 -
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Problem is that they are easy to run, respawn rate is many hours later and everyone can do them. Very low entry bar. You need to go where others fear to explore. Seriously. Find a dead low sec area or continue "just missing it"!
There are good ships,
And wood ships,
And ships that sail the sea
But the best ships are Spaceships
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.12.05 02:12:12 -
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Dibz wrote:Vigirr wrote:The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year. A characteristically dickish response from you. Is it too difficult to respond like a normal person at least every now and again? Exploring's a bit of a crapshoot. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. The dry runs are frustrating.
Have you seen the OP's post? "waah wah I've been trying this for 3 seconds, I'll quit because this sucks. **** game".
Explain why anyone would want to put in active effort to help with an OP like that. Besides, you can comment when you put in as much effort into helping newbies as some of us do. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.12.05 02:55:07 -
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Sorry it's so frustrating OP.
Get used to logging out wherever you happen to be. I find it best to just go, go, go and follow the sigs and the wormholes. Pull them like a thread until you find some relic sites for yourself. These things are highly sought after, as exploration is a very rookie friendly career path and with all the Alpha State Clones around, even more so.
If you're having lots of trouble, look me up ingame and I can try to assist you.
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Kosomot
Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS
15
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Posted - 2016.12.05 03:10:41 -
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Enzo Pasquale wrote:What knowledge and experience do I need? Care to share?
If jumping from system to system and scanning every cosmic signature I see is wrong, then please tell me the best way. As much time and effort as I put in, the truth is in the statistics of what I've been scanning.
My .02 isk.
I've done high sec exploration a fair bit, and I do get your frustration.
Here is what you need to know.
1. Lots of people do exploration in EVE, and with the birth of Alpha Clones more so. If you are in a busy system chances are someone else has beat you to it. 2. You have to carve your niche out of the hard rock, find an area of space less busy. ( use the DotLan Maps for reference) you can judge the jumps and ships killed for an idea on how busy a system is.
3. Career Systems and Surrounding Systems and Market Hubs and surrounding systems are unlikely to yield good results, for exploration.
4. Time of Day matters, busy times will be less gratifying.
5. there is also the just some bad luck, I've had days where it's WH after WH after WH, and other days where it's better.
I generally set a Destination to a quite corner and scan away as i travel, works pretty good.
Hope it gets better for you, Exploration is one of my favorite parts of the game.
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Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
47
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Posted - 2016.12.05 04:01:01 -
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Satchel Darkmatter wrote:Enzo Pasquale wrote:Thanks, I'll give another go tomorrow. Open your map in game, put it into abstract view(flat view) and look for dead end systems, thats a system with 1 gate or look for what we call pocket systems which can be described as a small group of say 3 or 4 systems that are a dead end tucked away behind a pipe system which is a system with 1 gate in and 1 gate out, these systems in High Sec are good to look in. Secondly all those wormholes you have been finding are full of data and relic sites, but there are a few things you need to know first. First of all Wormhole's are dangerous, unlike Highsec you will be attacked on sight most of the time, the good news is that it's got no local unless you actually talk so the only way people will know your in a hole is if they see you on D-Scan, try finding a C1 or C2 wormhole and scan those down for data and relic sites you should have a lot better luck, and more profit, just be aware tho this extra profit comes at the added risk of player vs player attacks. Can an Alpha fit a normal cloak? if so what you need to do is enter the wormhole Burn off the hole in any direction about 50k and then stop release your probes then cloak your ship, also never forget to bookmark the hole so you can find your way out. I would scan down everything in the hole until you have a few data/relic sites visible then if you feel the hole is clear of hostiles decloak and jump to your first site, on your way there while in warp make a new bookmark and call it safe, this is a spot you can run to that's hard for an enemy to reach you on, you want it away from the hole and the site your going to, right in the middle if possible, you can make a bookmark while your moving just look up the shortcut key. For your first few wormhole incursions I would do one or two sites and then get out with any loot and store it, its likely that you will die a few times as you find your feet so store your goods often at the start, once your better you will be able to start diving deeper into connected wormholes and gather more loot before you bolt for home. Things to note, always bookmark your exit hole and call the bookmark EXIT do this in every hole you enter so if your 5 wormholes in you just want to warp to your Exit jump, Warp to your Exit Jump and eventually you will be back in safe space. Another thing there could be 100 or 1000 players in the hole with you, they could all be sitting 100 meter's from you watching you and you will never know until they attack worm holes have a habbit of making people jumpy try and get over that feeling as quickly as possible because you will die, you will lose loot dont let it hold you back because I assure you the times you make it out will be very very profitable and will more than cover the costs of your lost ships. Another thing is that some holes are owned/lived in by Wormhole corps so be aware of this if you warp to any citidels or moon's they may have hostile stations. hope this helps, I remember my first few wormholes lost some ships, had some epic chases loads of fun and way more intense than just warping around and scanning HighSec. One final thing, do a little research on wormhole types, get the info on any wormhole you enter as they can collapse when you jump through, try not to enter any that are nearing the end of their life. good luck. fly safe. and watch D-Scan, if in doubt warp out.
Dont just put your map in abstract mode - go to settings and turn off the beta map - using the old map is so much easier for scanning then the "newer" map. |
Beyonder Herald II
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2016.12.05 05:26:31 -
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The people telling you to get out of busy high-sec areas are correct. I find plenty of relic and data sites, but not in high-sec.
The first problem in busy high-sec areas is 'busy' - many people are there scanning down systems and running them because no risk. The second problem is the sites are going to be low-quality (low pay) anyway.
The lower-sec you go, the more stuff you will find, and the better the payouts. As others have said, look for out-of-the-way dead-end systems, low-traffic systems, etc. |
Aston Martin DB5
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
76
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Posted - 2016.12.05 06:41:24 -
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Vigirr wrote:The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year.
Troll post if anything.
To the OP, yes data and relic sites are hard to come by (hisec/lowsec/null) and Prodimentaly you will find WH when scanning. |
Voxinian
143
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Posted - 2016.12.05 06:57:52 -
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Vigirr wrote:The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year.
That whole scanning thing is a tedius activity even with the new scanning window. After years I still can't stand to do exploration either, luckily there are plenty of other activities to do in EVE.
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Vigirr
154
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Posted - 2016.12.05 07:22:20 -
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Voxinian wrote:Vigirr wrote:The deal here is that you need knowledge and experience to a) get good at finding sites fast and b) learn where the sites are. Which takes time and effort.
I'm sorry that a long term MMO doesn't give you instant gratification, I hear COD is really nice this time of year. That whole scanning thing is a tedius activity even with the new scanning window. After years I still can't stand to do exploration either, luckily there are plenty of other activities to do in EVE.
It's perfectly fine to not enjoy scanning, it's a sandbox after all and as you said there's tons of things to do. Me personally I love it (even though the current scanning mechanics are hilariously simplistic) and I use it a lot in both PVE as PVP. When I do PVE the scanning itself doesn't take any effort which allows me to chat with others, mostly helping newbies in Rookie Channel while making 200-500 mil a day with it. |
Tarek Rafiid
Alpha State Cl0nes
5
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Posted - 2016.12.05 07:39:48 -
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Enzo Pasquale wrote: I would say 90% of what I find is a wormhole...
Have you gone through and found where the other end leads?
You can make a stupid amount of money if you find a wormhole that leads to nullsec. Many corps actively seek safe ways to get their freighters through to highsec, and a wormhole can be worth a lot of money to the right buyer. The buyer could either be the corp who owns the space, or a corp who is an enemy of the ones who own the space. Either can be lucrative. |
Salvos Rhoska
1632
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Posted - 2016.12.05 07:45:55 -
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Whilst you are taking a little time to read up/preparing for exploring in WHs or NS:
-Choose a route of say 10 systems, in a low traffic region of HS. -Make notes of all the signtaures you probe on your way through it. The first 3 letters is enough. -Then fly through the same route over and over, scanning the new sigs as they appear.
When I first started, I drew the route on a piece of card and taped it to the back of a pane of glass from a picture frame. I used a thin whiteboard marker to jot the sig codes down, and wiped them off as they appeared/dissappeared. Saved a lot of time on probing.
Probably a bit childish, but It was kind of cool to pretend I was a down-on-my-luck explorer in my rust bucket ship, using an antiquated system cos I couldnt afford any better in attempt to squeeze out a little more profit.But hey, it works.
Ill upload a pic of my old chart in a moment so you all can laugh at it.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21721
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Posted - 2016.12.05 09:06:48 -
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There is a lot of people in high sec now and it looks like they all look for exploration sites.
Jump into low sec or wormhole, sure, few times you will get blown up, but few jumps more into it and there may be this one site that will drop 100M ISK module and nobody will bother you there. Look for an occasion and reap rewards.
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Coils Tibus
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.05 10:14:45 -
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Just wanted to relate my Alpha clone exploration experience to give some sliver of hope.
Went out with a fairly well fitted Heron couldnt find anything in High sec so broke down and went through a wormhole then another. Found a data site and a relic site. Also found one that actually had NPC's, that I wasn't aware of, nearly got killed.
Used safe spots and made it back with roughly 3 million in loot. Not much but pleased with myself that I didn't end up as debris. |
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
1221
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Posted - 2016.12.05 11:56:01 -
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keep in mind that in high sec you are obviously one of thousands carebears who all want easy riskless exploration isk. If you want decent profit in a considerable amount of time, move out to 0.0 or lowsec. You will die few times but once you figured out how to deal with the risks, you'll be fine. |
Enzo Pasquale
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.05 13:50:28 -
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So I found my first data and relic site... and the noob I am, I forget my relic analyzer, so I only did the data site. I was able to hack 1 of 2 items and got some stuff valued around $600,000. Not bad, but just a long process. I'm sure I'll find a routine. I took a lot of the advice here, so thank you all!
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Wyk Bathana
Trois Etoiles The Volition Cult
5
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Posted - 2016.12.05 14:41:51 -
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in null sec, i earn as a MEAN about 150-200 Millions ISK each day for 2 hours of exploration, mainly with relic sites (10-150 millions per site). Data sites loot usually 5-15 millions. And sleeper cache are great
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AlexHalstead
Elite Amarr Navy Academy Varangon Tagma
4
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Posted - 2016.12.05 15:53:31 -
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Coils Tibus wrote: Also found one that actually had NPC's, that I wasn't aware of, nearly got killed.
To avoid getting killed by the NPCs at a site you didn't expect, try warping at an actual distance instead of to within 0km of it. Cloaking is a thing for Alpha clones right? |
AlexHalstead
Elite Amarr Navy Academy Varangon Tagma
4
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Posted - 2016.12.05 16:05:11 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Whilst you are taking a little time to read up/preparing for exploring in WHs or NS: -Choose a route of say 10 systems, in a low traffic region of HS. -Make notes of all the signtaures you probe on your way through it. The first 3 letters is enough. -Then fly through the same route over and over, probing the new sigs as they appear. When I first started, I drew the route on a piece of card and taped it to the back of a pane of glass from a picture frame. I used a thin marker to jot the sig codes down, and wiped them off with a q-tip as they appeared/dissappeared. Saved a lot of time on probing. Probably a bit childish, but It was kind of cool to pretend I was a down-on-my-luck explorer in my rust bucket ship, using an antiquated system cos I couldnt afford any better in attempt to squeeze out a little more profit. But hey, it works. You can run through the systems when you have a few minutes away from RL stuff. A pic of my old "space charts" so you can all have a laugh: Old-School Exploration Good post, man.
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