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Darth Magus
The Lone Magus
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Posted - 2017.01.21 03:28:17 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Its pretty much a waste of time. You can literally go for hours from deep null all the way to empire and you''ll almost never get a 1 v 1. You may find solo players or even a duo to fight but from experience they'll never engage you unless they have overwhelming force.
You will invariably get baited into a fight and a cyno gank, or you'll chase someone down a pipe, they'll be in alliance or corp organizing a suprise party for you and won't stop running till their in range.
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ugh...so false...
I mean yeah - if you are not good at "data mining" and tactics/analytics - you will get "cyno-baited" and "gang-baited" alot...
I mean even with 100% sure intel, there is always a chance that the "statistically perceived solo target" may use a cyno - just because they decided on that day to switch things up - and you were just at the wrong time in the wrong place and ended up being their first ever cyno-bait kill...
that happens...
but for the most part solo PVP is there, and you can find a target - as someone above posted, roughly in 20-30min (or even couple targets) depending on which space you're in...
again - it mostly comes down to your "tribal knowledge" of the space that you operate in, which people/corps/alliances to avoid (blobbers + hotdroppers), and then your knowledge of the actual "ship pvp" and the "meta" comes second...
Your solo "pwnmobile" and the meta you use in soloing is only as good as the knowledge of your target environment...
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Infinity Ziona wrote: They don't look solo. Two ships on each one. Besides they're frigates, whats the point, I could undock from any hub in highsec and get frigate fights all day long. They're so cheap its pointless.
because fighting in anything bigger (although you can def experiment with t2-frig or dessie, or t3d or even Cruiser) - but the bigger the size of the ship - the slower it does everything (warps/locks/kills/dies) - which allows your enemy to get possible reinforcements...
unfortunately using smaller ships is part of the "solo PVP" meta (there are some exceptions, where you can use bigger ships, but they are very rare)...
frigs ususally die(or kill their target) in under 40sec...dessier do so in under a minute... that window is perfect for solo PVP...
go bigger - and fights will last 2-3 min at which point you are usually in trouble... |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2520
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Posted - 2017.01.22 07:34:45 -
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Darth Magus wrote:Infinity Ziona wrote:Its pretty much a waste of time. You can literally go for hours from deep null all the way to empire and you''ll almost never get a 1 v 1. You may find solo players or even a duo to fight but from experience they'll never engage you unless they have overwhelming force.
You will invariably get baited into a fight and a cyno gank, or you'll chase someone down a pipe, they'll be in alliance or corp organizing a suprise party for you and won't stop running till their in range.
..snip...
ugh...so false... I mean yeah - if you are not good at "data mining" and tactics/analytics - you will get "cyno-baited" and "gang-baited" alot... I mean even with 100% sure intel, there is always a chance that the "statistically perceived solo target" may use a cyno - just because they decided on that day to switch things up - and you were just at the wrong time in the wrong place and ended up being their first ever cyno-bait kill... that happens... but for the most part solo PVP is there, and you can find a target - as someone above posted, roughly in 20-30min (or even couple targets) depending on which space you're in... again - it mostly comes down to your "tribal knowledge" of the space that you operate in, which people/corps/alliances to avoid (blobbers + hotdroppers), and then your knowledge of the actual "ship pvp" and the "meta" comes second... Your solo "pwnmobile" and the meta you use in soloing is only as good as the knowledge of your target environment...EDIT: Infinity Ziona wrote: They don't look solo. Two ships on each one. Besides they're frigates, whats the point, I could undock from any hub in highsec and get frigate fights all day long. They're so cheap its pointless.
because fighting in anything bigger (although you can def experiment with t2-frig or dessie, or t3d or even Cruiser) - but the bigger the size of the ship - the slower it does everything (warps/locks/kills/dies) - which allows your enemy to get possible reinforcements... unfortunately using smaller ships is part of the "solo PVP" meta (there are some exceptions, where you can use bigger ships, but they are very rare)... frigs ususally die(or kill their target) in under 40sec...dessier do so in under a minute... that window is perfect for solo PVP... go bigger - and fights will last 2-3 min at which point you are usually in trouble... Frigate PvP is pointless. It's a frigate, worth almost nothing, even the expensive frigs being worth less an average single faction module used on a cruiser or higher. Is it pvp? Not really in terms of EvE. It takes longer to recover from armor damage from PvE death in WoW
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
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Posted - 2017.01.22 23:19:07 -
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A priate frig usually is worth a lot more then even the average BC, especially after insurance. |
Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
71
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Posted - 2017.01.23 11:11:02 -
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Quote:Frigate PvP is pointless. It's a frigate, worth almost nothing, even the expensive frigs being worth less an average single faction module used on a cruiser or higher. Is it pvp? Not really in terms of EvE. It takes longer to recover from armor damage from PvE death in WoW
As W0lf has already pointed out, faction frigates are typically more expensive than most T1 destroyers, cruisers, or battle cruisers. They are about on par with T3 destroyers, which are another excellent solo ship.
In fact, solo pvp strongly favours fast, agile ships (which, by their nature, tend to be small). This is because while you may be flying solo, New Eden is filled with pilots who are not. Being able to evade larger groups is a critical roaming skill.
And of course, much pvp is non-consensual. So you need to be fast enough to catch the pilots trying to evade you.
Solo pvp is not about the value destroyed (although we all love a blingy killmail, of course), but about testing yourself against other pilots, both in the fight, and in the hunt that leads up to it. If you want to pad your killboard, you are better off just joining a null sec corp and getting in a few fleet battles.
And it is most certainly out there. I got six solo kills - several of them destroyers - in the course of a fairly relaxed afternoon yesterday. And, yes, I was flying a frigate.
If you like reading about low sec piracy or faction warfare, you might enjoy my blog.
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Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1486
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Posted - 2017.01.23 18:01:12 -
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I guess there is some amount of subjectivity here.
Of the 21 billion in isk I lost (on this character) I much prefer to have thousands of fights where I lose 10 mill a pop rather than say 7 fights where I lost 3 bill at a time. I can't say the actual pvp is just as much fun in a cheaper ship as it is in a more expensive one. I have had the most fun flying a rupture (before it was "rebalanced") and t1 frigates and destroyers.
As to the op keep in mind that the meta is very different in high, low, null and wormholes. My main experience in high sec was in rvb. I still think this is a great way to learn pvp. The meta is very similar to fw low sec. My most experience is in low sec fw and I think it is the best for solo.
I haven't had much experience in wh and the experience I have had was pretty lame. No local means allot of time wasted only to find cloaked friends if you want to engage. But again I don't have much experience there.
Null sec is much more gang oriented and organized than low sec. Bubbles make it so just about everyone has an mwd, so fitting a scram can really pay off. Also solo there is often a matter of trying to catch ratters who are not pvp fit. At least compared to low sec. Your just not going to find too many pve fit ships to kill in low sec.
I much prefer fw low sec. However I do agree that the frigate menace is higher there. If you fly a larger ship you have to have a plan for getting swarmed by smaller ships. It doesn't help that ccp is constantly "rebalancing" ships by dropping utility highs so you can neut smaller ships to help you gain transversal. The rapid lights help for missile ships but many ships still don't get a bonus for them - such as the cyclone and caldari navy caracal.
CCP did help battleships with new grappler webs but I am not sure how well that will work against frigates.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Annabelle Le
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2017.01.26 02:47:10 -
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There are some really good points here and It may be easy for some to find 1vs1 pvp. But for a new player its fairly hard unless you are just wanting to collect insurance. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1486
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Posted - 2017.01.27 15:49:09 -
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Annabelle Le wrote:There are some really good points here and It may be easy for some to find 1vs1 pvp. But for a new player its fairly hard unless you are just wanting to collect insurance.
Even veteran players will hit some bad streaks. I am getting back into solo pvp and have just now lost like 7 ships in a row without a single kill. Each time I made small mistakes that cost me the fight. Its important to think about this and try to determine if you were just fighting a fight that could not be won or if you made some mistakes that cost you. With experience you will learn to take fights you can win. With more experience you will learn how much you can push the envelope and take on more fights than you thought. Sure it can get to be depressing to replay a fight and think Why didn't I over heat faster? Why did I overheat too long? Why didn't I see he was arty fit faster? why did I not see I was losing transversal? and of course with all of these losses there is the ever present: "Why must I lose to this idiot?"
But remember there will be good streaks too. There will be times when you get lucky due to your opponents mistakes.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Annabelle Le
State Protectorate Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2017.01.28 00:32:21 -
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Another thing about finding fights that's annoying is the security and standing loss. You fly around in FW and see LP farmers and if they aren't in the opposing militia you can't touch them with out taking a hit to your standing. I guess I don't have a problem with that except you don't gain standing from killing some one in the opposing militia. |
Aves Asio
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Posted - 2017.01.28 10:09:11 -
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Dont listen to the bads in this thread. Solo is out there you just have to find it. You have to know your capabilities and your targets weakness, you have to know the area and the people that live in it. Basically solo requires a lot of skill. |
Cearain
Plus 10 NV It Burns When I'm PvPing
1488
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Posted - 2017.01.30 16:04:50 -
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I just wanted to post and say that I have found this to be one of the best times for solo pvp in fw space. The only other time that might compete with now is the time right after inferno hit. IMO both then and now is the most fights you will ever get as a solo pvpers. I lost quite a few ships but in every loss I can think of, I can honestly say I had my chances and it was due to mistakes I made during the fight.
Mentally this is a huge difference than the days where I would lose a fight because I was just fighting someone with a booster alt and really had no chance. I think this has indeed brought allot of solo fighters back. And for all the people who said putting links on grid would just lead to more falcon alts and remote rep alts - I haven't run into that a single time. (although I have been avoiding certain systems) Thank you ccp.
BTW I was in Amarr Minmatar FW space.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Perkutor Jakuard
Justified Chaos Spaceship Bebop
2
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Posted - 2017.02.03 00:35:19 -
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Use the map Luke, draws the contested level of a fw system.
Places with very low contested levels are defended actively by the militia, if you are in their timeframe you'll got probably blobed there, find systems with a higher grade then.
Often fw players just ignore you if you are not in the opossite millitia.
Being a pirate I had solo engages naming my ship as "1 vs 1" and waiting a bit in the "plexes", spaming the local asking for 1 vs 1 also worked well.
If you accord the duel in the chat I recommend you to form fleet with your oponent and jump to an save spot just to not to be disturbed by other players during the duel.
In high sec I've seen duels in populated areas, but I never do it personally tbh.
In Amar/MIn area avoid Huola and Koumonen, too hot, the surrounding systems like kamela and so on it's ok for solo and small gangs.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
366
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Posted - 2017.02.06 10:17:55 -
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Cearain wrote:I just wanted to post and say that I have found this to be one of the best times for solo pvp in fw space. The only other time that might compete with now is the time right after inferno hit. IMO both then and now is the most fights you will ever get as a solo pvpers. I lost quite a few ships but in every loss I can think of, I can honestly say I had my chances and it was due to mistakes I made during the fight.
Mentally this is a huge difference than the days where I would lose a fight because I was just fighting someone with a booster alt and really had no chance. I think this has indeed brought allot of solo fighters back. And for all the people who said putting links on grid would just lead to more falcon alts and remote rep alts - I haven't run into that a single time. (although I have been avoiding certain systems) Thank you ccp.
BTW I was in Amarr Minmatar FW space. Imo after inferno frig/dessie fw low-sec was better. Meta was more diverse as strange as it sounds. There were brawlers, scram-kiters, anti scram-kiters, kiters and snipers. Now after long range guns rebalance scram-kiting made anti scram-kiting (13-17km engagement) almost obsolete 'cause every (almost every) sc-kiter can project to kite ranges of 20-28km. |
Lucian Skord
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
6
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Posted - 2017.02.08 14:43:32 -
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Keep d scanning when u find something even as u engage them if u see more coming try to run
If ur really fast u could try to pull a tackler from a gang and kill it.
lure him like 120 km from his friends ( so they can't warp to him) turn around overheat blap him fast then burn off |
Kaivarian Coste
Stellar Supply
109
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Posted - 2017.02.19 17:52:14 -
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Solo is pretty easy to find in FW lowsec. What you want to fly in is in a T1. Everyone will fight a T1. You'll lose often, but popping a pricey faction or T2 ship with a T1 feels awesome. |
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