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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:09:16 -
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Efficiently or just doable?
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
21
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:16:43 -
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Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. |
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:18:34 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
The Gnosis can do Level 3 missions, i dont know if it could do level 4. Also saw a video of a Caracal doing level 4, idk if thats really possible.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
28
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:19:00 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
I could see someone being able to run a lvl 3 in a particularly blingy cruiser... but if your gonna drop that much isk on bling you may as well just get a plex and go omega. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3739
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:27:58 -
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Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:29:03 -
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I'm reasonably certain an alpha could do a level 4. Not efficiently, but complete one? Sure.
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Kosomot
Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS
17
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:32:33 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's.
This..
Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing.
I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1162
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:33:16 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I haven't tried it yet with an Alpha character, but I don't see why level 3s shouldn't be possible with a Cruiser. I've been flying level 3s using a Cruiser without it even breaking a sweat this weekend. Admittedly, I have near perfect skills for them.
But take a Maller for example, or a Vexor - those ships even with just Alpha skills should be able to run a level 3 mission, albeit slowly perhaps. Also, keep in mind that they can fly navy/fleet issue cruisers as well.
Level 4 - I really don't know. Potentially in a Gnosis, maybe in an afterburning cruiser too if piloted correctly but it surely won't be fun. |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1022
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:39:11 -
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I ran level 4s with a vexor back when I was new with basically alpha level skills - its not particularly efficient though but it is doable for most of them.
I've also ran some with a thrasher just because - but that is another story altogether (was also using a pirate implant set which I'm not sure is available to alphas). |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1359
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Posted - 2016.12.05 20:48:40 -
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It should be doable. Not efficient. It will probably take a significant amount of time, maybe a number of warpouts to replenish and recharge. In the end blitzing 3s would be better for the isk, but for the fun and bragging rights? Doing 4s as an alpha might be fun.
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mkint
1285
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Posted - 2016.12.05 21:14:11 -
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I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.
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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
23
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Posted - 2016.12.05 21:37:47 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:It should be doable. Not efficient. It will probably take a significant amount of time, maybe a number of warpouts to replenish and recharge. In the end blitzing 3s would be better for the isk, but for the fun and bragging rights? Doing 4s as an alpha might be fun.
Yea its would be more sort of an accomplishment considering the ship and skill limits. Havent see a single video on youtube with someone in an alpha clone account beating Worlds Collide, or Angel Extravaganza. That would be awesome to watch and try to repeat.
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Violet Hurst
Fedaya Recon
130
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:17:46 -
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Well, "Recon" should definitely be doable. Speaking of epic to watch though: I recently had the pleasure of witnessing the epic battle "Alpha Thrasher vs. Angel Watch". Seeing that lil dessie zoom about, kicking ass and taking names was absolutely adorable. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6547
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:21:27 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I've done L3's in a T1 cruiser. It really isn't that hard. I've only found one tough mission; it has both stasis web towers and energy neut towers. Most L3 missions don't have many NPC battlecruisers, plus they are larger and slower.
I've also done L4's in a battlecruiser. Alpha clones can use a Gnosis battlecruiser too.
I usually do level 1-3 in an Assault Frigate, but Alphas don't have access to that. I also skip the L3 web & neut tower mission I've done. L4 Angel Extravaganza in the Assault Frigate, but I wouldn't call it time efficient, though it was very easy. |
Dwai Attic
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:27:15 -
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Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons
Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
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Safr0n
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:45:31 -
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I would look at picking a subset of missions just big enough to keep your agent standing above -2. Perhaps about 15 are needed. Look at missions with few npcs. The 3 recon missions should be ok. Also the quafe cargo one. Look at mission you can kite and navy cruisers like caracal and vexor with sentries.
Team burners are unlikely but worth modelling. I don't think alphas can use ecm so you need the dps. Look at polarized rockets with something like hookbill or kestral? Slicer may be able to do hawk team burner? Not sure how much dps is need but at least 200. Decent bling may not even do it.
The more I think about this the harder it gets. Good luck.
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy Complaints Department
624
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Posted - 2016.12.05 22:50:57 -
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Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible. ITs not all about pay when you're a new player, challenge and fun.
When I was a noob and underskilled I ran L4 missions in a Cyclone with t1 Arty, but it is a grind, though challenging.
Not all L4 would be doable in a Cruiser, you would need to filter them out. Alpha small gangs would work, especially with Logi.
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1162
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Posted - 2016.12.05 23:07:40 -
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I just EFT'd a couple of fits with alpha skills. Tried the Moa, Vexor and Maller.
About 60-100M ISK (Mostly because they all have a RF Large Cap Battery ;) ) will buy you a cruiser with about 500m/s, around 200-250-ish DPS tank, 140-ish m signature, 280-380 DPS at close range and enough cap. For level 3 missions, this will certainly be enough, although it would be annoying AF because you'd have to get close to the rats. It would probably work for some level 4 missions as well, but I'd be careful with the harder ones, and it's quite possible you won't be able to break some of the more expensive battleships. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
6070
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Posted - 2016.12.05 23:55:00 -
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Certainly doable. Nothing an Alpha does is going to be efficient compared to an Omega, but if you are grinding ISK I would recommend L3 missions. If you are grinding standings go for L3 distribution missions.
I was doing L4 missions in a Caracal before I was able to fly a Drake (and later a Raven).
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baltec1
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
18468
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:37:44 -
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Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
A gang of 5 (2x logi, 3x dps) would be effective. |
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
453
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:44:59 -
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Back when I was really new, I did My Sweet Privateer a couple of times in a blaster-fit Maller which could only put out about 100 DPS (no magstabs or rigs). I'd read a little about how guns worked, so I got to try that out. It could barely break the boss. It actually worked better than a laser Maller for that mission, because the guns were a little easier on the cap and hit the rats' resist holes.
Once I'd burned the boss down to get the stasis tower + 4 battleships spawn, I had to warp out and refit something to hit the tower.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
5178
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:53:02 -
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The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2330
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Posted - 2016.12.06 00:55:04 -
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I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.
for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.
and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options.
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3750
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Posted - 2016.12.06 04:45:01 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:I've spent most of my time in game looking at level 3 blitzing with a gnosis. I believe lv4s are just going to have too many raw HP to chew through to be worth it.
for level 3s you probably wont even need bling on a cruiser, just abuse speed/range and avoid most of the damage. I did a bunch of lv3s in a caracal years ago when I was probably a few months old to see if I could, it was pretty easy. the problem is applying damage to complete the missions in a timely manor.
and sure you can fleet up to do them, but not sure if it will be worthwhile or not. mission blitzing pays out alright to one pilot, throwing more people at the problem doesn't really speed it up and will divide payments to a few people. Although with everyone having alpha restrictions perhaps it will pay better than other options. Alpha's should be able to turn a minimum of 10 mil an hour in the gang Baltec described, probably more like 20/hour. And that's assuming a 5 man gang isn't capable of running Burners, if they can handle burners that goes up even more. Sure it's not super bling blitzing lvl 3 levels, but you will struggle to do that anyway with the ships & skills alpha's can use anyway. And other than grinding for Plex, that's going to be pretty good isk for anything they can afford, since they are only buying Frigs & Cruisers anyway, and T1 at that. |
Cpt Lift-Leg Ahab
Viziam Amarr Empire
6
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Posted - 2016.12.06 06:26:24 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I was doing lvl 3's in an arbitrator as an alpha. before I resubbed. I didn't have a problem |
Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.06 07:41:09 -
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Dreadchain
Lavateinn
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Posted - 2016.12.06 09:48:08 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Actually, half a decade ago I experimented with weird mission running setups; T1 frigates, when fit and piloted appropriately can do a lot of L4s. There are some that are just impossible due to DPS constraints or due to certain elements in missions (looking at you Stasis towers), but it wasn't even terribly challenging in most missions.
Of course, it's far from optimal as the DPS is very low. Then again, I don't really know why people run missions in the first place, there are easier ways to make more money.
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Estuary Algaert
Petulant Luddite GmbH
26
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Posted - 2016.12.06 14:55:45 -
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I have been running L4's with friends on Alphas since last week, they are nowhere near as dull as they are solo. |
Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.12.06 15:34:37 -
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I plan on trying L4s, but I'm not there yet. I'm still working thru L2s in a Thorax, raising my standings.
I currently can do 410dps in my Gnosis. Turrets 326 and drones 84. To max out my gunnery skills will take about 40 more days, and I haven't even added in the drone skill yet. Maybe another 20 days for them.
I think soon, my standings will be get high enough for L3s. So I'll have to wait to see how I do in those before even trying a L4.
I'm having fun and not in any real rush. (haha, can't be, at the rate of my training.)
-Cassy |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1131
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Posted - 2016.12.06 15:39:13 -
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You want alphas to learn?
Are you an Omega? Can you fly a RR tengu or a legion perhaps? Do you know your way solidly around L4s? Want small gang FC experience in high sec content while you all make isk?
Run L4s!!
RR tengu, shield tank ships, anchor on RR tengu and run content. Call targets, use tags. blap away. Rinse repeat. Tanking and talking on comms to your alphas about triggers, threats, speed tanking and other mechanics. Spread the knowledge and the love. Its not great isk for anyone but its not a waste of time sitting around while they learn the basics.
Then graduate them after a week or so of high sec L4s into low sec pew pew when they have the basics and some cash.
Welcome to Eve online. Go forth and pew!!
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Eilyen Hope
Hope Enterprises
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Posted - 2016.12.06 17:48:49 -
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Many of the L4 missions are certainly possible with an Alpha clone, but slow. Probably better to go with L3 missions if solo.
Personally I had no trouble burning through L3s in a super cheap Vexor fit when I was lured back to eve with the alpha clones... |
Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1132
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Posted - 2016.12.06 18:15:18 -
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Pix Severus wrote:The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.
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Pix Severus
Empty You
5192
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Posted - 2016.12.06 18:25:29 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Pix Severus wrote:The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire.
Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1132
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Posted - 2016.12.06 18:31:56 -
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Almost lost a tanked dram to it the other day.
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aldhura
The Privateer's Haven and Social Club The Privateer Republic
108
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Posted - 2016.12.06 19:55:18 -
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Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:You want alphas to learn? Are you an Omega? Can you fly a RR tengu or a legion perhaps? Do you know your way solidly around L4s? Want small gang FC experience in high sec content while you all make isk? Run L4s!! RR tengu, shield tank ships, anchor on RR tengu and run content. Call targets, use tags. blap away. Rinse repeat. Tanking and talking on comms to your alphas about triggers, threats, speed tanking and other mechanics. Spread the knowledge and the love. Its not great isk for anyone but its not a waste of time sitting around while they learn the basics. Then graduate them after a week or so of high sec L4s into low sec pew pew when they have the basics and some cash. Welcome to Eve online. Go forth and pew!!
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aldhura
The Privateer's Haven and Social Club The Privateer Republic
108
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Posted - 2016.12.06 19:57:01 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Pix Severus wrote:The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire. Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!
I run these in a SFI with 500mn mwd and a large ancil sb, does round 7k/s, pretty sure I won't notice the change :)
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Rangh Ovaert
26
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Posted - 2016.12.07 06:23:18 -
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Yesterday I managed to solo a 6000+LP Sisters of Eve lvl4 Security mission in my maxed out (lol) alpha clone sitting in a Gnosis. Last (3rd) room was tricky. Had to warp out 5-6 times....but I also have to admit it was my first lvl 4 mission solo and I think the 3rd I did ever, which means there is still room for improvement. It for sure wasn't very efficient but I had some fun. |
Brexan Daedalus
Longinus Directive
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:38:23 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
On topic with the success stories debunking this, I've been running level 3's comfortably in a PvE-fit Caracal myself for weeks now. DPS eats through anything that's been thrown at me and not horribly tough to tank incoming damage either. I will admit that I'm feeling the ISK flow is a bit slow, but hey, if you're not paying for a subscription, it can take you two months to grind that PLEX instead. Also, it's actually a lot of fun being forced out of the Raven for mission running personally. I fed my gameplay for a long time off of level 4 mission profits, but it get's into a tedious grind if you do it long enough.
Just to note my character is mostly fully trained on Alpha-trainable skills, so fresh alphas are a different story altogether of course. Not encouraging fresh cruiser pilots to go loose their most expensive ships.
As for level 4's, Alphas just don't have the DPS on hand to burn through the heavy HP on the Battleship spawns for the most part. Soloing most level 4 missions that require actual combat might leave in the good old eternal stalemate where you're not eating through their tank at all and neither are they yours, best case scenario. But it will most likely to cost you your ship though. Specially on the missions where the frigates scram and web you. |
Leloo Multipass
Brotherhood of Truth
0
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:03:48 -
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I tried one random lvl 3 security mission in a Vexor with a non imaginative armor tank + drones build, no T2s, Alpha status with like 600k SP. It felt slow-ish but i had no problems with *that particular mission*. Mind, it's a new character but I've played a little Eve before so I had some idea on what to train first. |
Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:27:36 -
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I probably could have run L1 and L2 missions 24/7 to get to L3s quickly, but I did a few here and there over the last 20 days. I finally got an agent to give me a L3 mission yesterday.
I don't know how many L3 missions it will take to get standings up for L4s, but I will grind them until I do.
So L4s solo? Not yet.
-Cassy |
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Cervantes Dias
Longinus Directive
0
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:58:46 -
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Casandra Laur wrote:I probably could have run L1 and L2 missions 24/7 to get to L3s quickly, but I did a few here and there over the last 20 days. I finally got an agent to give me a L3 mission yesterday.
I don't know how many L3 missions it will take to get standings up for L4s, but I will grind them until I do.
So L4s solo? Not yet.
-Cassy
Grats, level 3's are much more profitable and fun. The level 3 - level 4 standing grind is a lot longer than the 2 - 3 one even if both are 2.0 worth of standing to grind, mission completion takes a good bit longer on average.
As for level 4 alpha solos, I'd say "not at all", instead of "not yet". Not under the skill and ship restrictions alphas fly with at the moment anyways. If CCP change the current set up, which I highly doubt, it could be done. |
Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:04:56 -
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L4s - "not at all"
I was looking at a the site, EVE Survival, and took a look at some of the ships that have to be faced in L4s.
Instead of a lot of cruisers and frigates in L3s, I see that in L4s there are lots of battleships, battle cruisers, then some cruisers, and some frigates that scram(?). Oh my!
So far, in my (limited) experience in running missions, and how they have been for me, I think you are right about not running L4s solo. So far L3s seem to be ok, I've done pretty good in the few I've ran.
But when I get there I know I'm going to have to try one or two.
I have been in a cruiser in a L2 where I lost my shields, and the armor was going fast. Alarms going off everywhere! That sure gets the heart pumping. Funny how a game can get to you, and I am hooked.
-Cassy
PS: Gee, Cervantes, you sure seem knowledgeable in this, and you are a week younger than I. I'm just saying. |
Tatanka Startamer
Rio Nova
15
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Posted - 2016.12.09 23:48:53 -
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I'm a returner from a few years ago (played for about 4 months), still alpha for now. I already had the standings for missions through L4, but I was sticking with L2s in my Caracal. Was able to skill into a few more T2 mods, and started doing L3s. Was having some success, and turning down some that sounded too involved. Then I bought a Gnosis last week, and started doing more L3s. It's the first armor-tanked ship I've flown (it's not a great ship for shield tanking). The L3s have been absolutely no problem so far. As to the "blinginess", Pyfa says my ship fits cost ~26.6M, on top of the ~44M ISK for the ship itself. I'm using as many T2 modules as are allowed for alphas, and I'm not using any faction/special mods (except Caldari Navy Missiles).
Then last night, I got an L4 storyline (I'll run a few L4 Distro missions when I only have a short time to play, or want to watch TV at the same time). I was going to turn it down, but decided to try it anyway (Covering your tracks). Completed it in one pass (i.e. didn't have to warp out and back in), except to warp in one time and make a bookmark, so I could leave and warp back at a distance.
I think if you have good fitting skills (i.e., it's not the first or second week of the alpha account, but instead you've got a couple million well placed skill points) and are willing to be patient and use some smart tactics, L4s are possible. Fast? Likely not, L3s would probably be faster ISK and LPs. But quite a few of them CAN be done.
For reference, I have ~7.2M SP, but only ~2.5M of that is active, the rest are skills which are for Omegas only.
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Algathas
Wraithguard. The Wraithguard.
73
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Posted - 2016.12.10 01:21:43 -
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I have done many level 3s in a merlin and the level 4 team burners can be done in a Tristan. I imagine that a combination of selecting the right missions and good piloting skill gives some options for alpha clones. |
Rangh Ovaert
27
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Posted - 2016.12.10 09:32:00 -
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Tatanka Startamer wrote:. It's the first armor-tanked ship I've flown (it's not a great ship for shield tanking). Tat
Why not? What would you do with all the available mid slots? Besides the low slots are great for increasing damage. |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
13286
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Posted - 2016.12.10 10:04:00 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
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Alasdan Helminthauge
HC-Nightshade
17
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Posted - 2016.12.10 12:46:09 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Pix Severus wrote:The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire. Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently!
I think he's wrong, unless the change is after 12/06 instead of Ascension.
Cargo Delivery and Recon (all 3) can be done by anyone can fly a frigate with a 5MN MWD and basic tanks. and I think among other lv4 missions, blood raider spies, right hand of Zazz, stop the thief, pirate invasion, serpentis assault, unauthorized military presence, pot and kettle (1/5) and surprise surprise should be handable for a maxed-skilled alpha clone with lots of player experience, solo by blitzing. I'm sure I'm miss some others. if they want good isk/hr, they should go to check for the cargo delivery and recon (probably also stop the thief and pot and kettle 1/5) missions. and if they've fleeted, 2 should be enough for team burner and 3 for agent burner, maybe 3 and 4 for more efficience. |
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
1022
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Posted - 2016.12.10 13:19:27 -
[48] - Quote
Alasdan Helminthauge wrote: I think he's wrong, unless the change is after 12/06 instead of Ascension.
Cargo Delivery and Recon (all 3) can be done by anyone can fly a frigate with a 5MN MWD and basic tanks. and I think among other lv4 missions, blood raider spies, right hand of Zazz, stop the thief, pirate invasion, serpentis assault, unauthorized military presence, pot and kettle (1/5) and surprise surprise should be handable for a maxed-skilled alpha clone with lots of player experience, solo by blitzing. I'm sure I'm miss some others. if they want good isk/hr, they should go to check for the cargo delivery and recon (probably also stop the thief and pot and kettle 1/5) missions. and if they've fleeted, 2 should be enough for team burner and 3 for agent burner, maybe 3 and 4 for more efficience.
Yeah this is definitely about the experience and creativity of the player rather than the limitations of the ship capabilities - as someone who played from 2009 through to 2015 there is a lot I could manage within the limitations of the alpha clone and doing level 4s that a new player wouldn't even be able to imagine. |
Tatanka Startamer
Rio Nova
15
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Posted - 2016.12.10 14:47:58 -
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Rangh Ovaert wrote:Tatanka Startamer wrote:. It's the first armor-tanked ship I've flown (it's not a great ship for shield tanking). Tat Why not? What would you do with all the available mid slots? Besides the low slots are great for increasing damage.
Well, given my level of experience (not a ton), the Gnosis can't be shield-tanked well >by me<. I have been relying on as much passive shield regen as I can for my shield tanking, and then using distance to snipe (well, last pass, when I was Omega). I don't get nearly the range on the Gnosis, and it's passive regen stinks, mostly because the shield regen time (2500s) is pretty slow given the size of the base shield. Playing with active shield boosters, I can't get anywhere near the boost that I can compared to armor tanking.
(To compare, Gnosis is 4000 shield, 2500 sec recharge time. Drake (Caldari BC) has 5500 base shield, with a 1400 sec recharge time. MUCH more passive regen. And a 25% bonus to missile range).
I found a fit on Osmium that allows me to get ~280 (effective) HP/sec boost (armor) on the Gnosis, completely cap stable, with AB running, and with still decent DPS and missile application. It was ~265 HP/sec when I started (and ~9 minutes of cap), but I've skilled into more T2 mods. Once I skill into the last two I need, it will be up to ~314 HP/sec.
It's enough boost that I can get in close instead of sniping, and then I can use my drones as well. Caldari alpha have a 20km drone control limit, so they're useless unless you're up close. And since the Gnosis is the only boat I can fly which has a drone bay that fits 5 drones, it's nice not to waste them.
Then the other thing I've been enjoying about this new style (for me) is that the wrecks from my missions tend to be more closely grouped, so salvaging goes quicker :)
Tat
PS - sorry, guess I didn't really answer your question. For my mid slots, I've got 3 cap rechargers and a battery (which help keep all that armor boosting cap stable), a missile guidance computer (selecting range or precision scripts, as needed), and an AB. |
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.12.10 15:39:45 -
[50] - Quote
Algathas wrote:I have done many level 3s in a merlin and the level 4 team burners can be done in a Tristan. I imagine that a combination of selecting the right missions and good piloting skill gives some options for alpha clones.
Doing L4 in a Tristan would be awesome.
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Sarren Sapp
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.12.11 03:37:38 -
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have been doing L4 like 2 weeks ago with my 1.7m sp alpha toon, not difficult...except the burner, normal L4 is doable, using a ONI with 17k tank and 300dps, use as much as T2 mod allowed, snipe with different crystals...done, take a bit time to grind, but good isk, done a few time silence the informat, becuz elite drone AI, you can made about 70/80m in this particular L4...lol |
Alasdan Helminthauge
HC-Nightshade
19
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Posted - 2016.12.11 06:29:32 -
[52] - Quote
Sarren Sapp wrote:have been doing L4 like 2 weeks ago with my 1.7m sp alpha toon, not difficult...except the burner, normal L4 is doable, using a ONI with 17k tank and 300dps, use as much as T2 mod allowed, snipe with different crystals...done, take a bit time to grind, but good isk, done a few time silence the informat, becuz elite drone AI, you can made about 70/80m in this particular L4...lol
nice done silent the informat is a lv4 mission with average difficulty in my impression. If you can do that, then I think most lv4 missions can be soloed by alpha, the exceptions may include burner missions (a lot of omegas can't do them either ), blockade, mordus head hunters and duo of death (at least the blood raider one). Worlds collide may also be a pain because of the 100km between the gate and the rats. |
Scath Bererund
SergalJerk Test Alliance Please Ignore
31
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Posted - 2016.12.11 13:34:55 -
[53] - Quote
Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
3's can be done in a navy cruiser. The vexor navy is perfect for the job. |
Cervantes Dias
Longinus Directive
0
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:32:59 -
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Casandra Laur wrote:L4s - "not at all" PS: Gee, Cervantes, you sure seem knowledgeable in this, and you are a week younger than I. I'm just saying.
Brexan, from the earlier post in this thread, is my main character actually, made this alt when alpha state went live to try out the Amarr's interstellar disco ships out. Been around a little longer than this toon would have you believe
Sarren Sapp wrote: have been doing L4 like 2 weeks ago with my 1.7m sp alpha toon, not difficult...except the burner, normal L4 is doable, using a ONI with 17k tank and 300dps, use as much as T2 mod allowed, snipe with different crystals...done, take a bit time to grind, but good isk, done a few time silence the informat, becuz elite drone AI, you can made about 70/80m in this particular L4...lol
Respect. Trouble is you don't know which missions you're going to get and waiting 4 hours between declines doesn't make it a reliable isk source. But then again, you can just do level 3's during the wait. I'll actually do this going forward and cherry-pick where I can. |
Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.12.11 17:07:57 -
[55] - Quote
Cervantes Dias wrote:[quote=Casandra Laur]L4s - "not at all" PS: Gee, Cervantes, you sure seem knowledgeable in this, and you are a week younger than I. I'm just saying.
"Brexan, from the earlier post in this thread, is my main character actually, made this alt when alpha state went live to try out the Amarr's interstellar disco ships out. Been around a little longer than this toon would have you believe "
I may not be what I seem to be either. My Omega has been running L4s for about 8 years, and that is helping me a lot. I am looking forward to seeing what L4s I will be able to run.
-Cassy |
Izchadie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.12.11 17:24:33 -
[56] - Quote
Level 4 should be doable with a speed tanked cruiser, however not all of them. Half of the level 4 missions barely have any battleships, or they have the weak ones (below 500k bounty).
The problem won't be surviving the mission, it will be completing it. With aplha's dps any tougher battleship with self-repair will be impossible to kill. Not to mention some missions have timed spawns like Enemies Abound 5 of 5, or plenty of jamming (The Assault, Guristas), so like I said these missions will be in the "impossible" range.
I'd say missions like Massive Attack or Attack of the Drones are quite doable if you don't trigger anything beforehand. I might actually try doing level 4 in one of my alphas after I train them up a bit, just for the challenge. |
Tatanka Startamer
Rio Nova
18
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Posted - 2016.12.11 19:47:54 -
[57] - Quote
Cervantes Dias wrote:Respect. Trouble is you don't know which missions you're going to get and waiting 4 hours between declines doesn't make it a reliable isk source. But then again, you can just do level 3's during the wait. I'll actually do this going forward and cherry-pick where I can.
From reading the burner/blitzing guides, they just take the missions that work for that method, and have no trouble keeping the faction high enough, even with all the declining that they do.
I assume, if there are enough missions that can be completed by an alpha (so, different criteria, different set of missions that meet the profile, but assuming the size of that set is about the same), you should be able to take just the missions you want, and decline the rest.
I have no idea if this assumption is true, but if it is, you don't have to wait 4 hours to request another mission.
Tat |
Grymmstorm
Kings of Groth
12
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Posted - 2016.12.11 20:13:58 -
[58] - Quote
Tatanka Startamer wrote:Cervantes Dias wrote:Respect. Trouble is you don't know which missions you're going to get and waiting 4 hours between declines doesn't make it a reliable isk source. But then again, you can just do level 3's during the wait. I'll actually do this going forward and cherry-pick where I can. From reading the burner/blitzing guides, they just take the missions that work for that method, and have no trouble keeping the faction high enough, even with all the declining that they do. I assume, if there are enough missions that can be completed by an alpha (so, different criteria, different set of missions that meet the profile, but assuming the size of that set is about the same), you should be able to take just the missions you want, and decline the rest. I have no idea if this assumption is true, but if it is, you don't have to wait 4 hours to request another mission. Tat
Been a while since I dealt with declining missions, but it used to be a huge hit when you declined within the 4 hours, you'd take like 3-5 missions to build it back up. |
Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
12
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Posted - 2016.12.11 21:15:12 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. I was doing lvl4 in Confessor.
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Casandra Laur
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:14:16 -
[60] - Quote
Casandra Laur wrote:Cervantes Dias wrote:[quote=Casandra Laur]L4s - "not at all" PS: Gee, Cervantes, you sure seem knowledgeable in this, and you are a week younger than I. I'm just saying. "Brexan, from the earlier post in this thread, is my main character actually, made this alt when alpha state went live to try out the Amarr's interstellar disco ships out. Been around a little longer than this toon would have you believe " I may not be what I seem to be either. My Omega has been running L4s for about 8 years, and that is helping me a lot. I am looking forward to seeing what L4s I will be able to run. -Cassy
As an Alpha I was seeing all the restrictions that were place on us, from our ships, mods, and skill training time. My plan was to max out the relevant skills I need to run L3s in my Gnosis. I almost have 900,000 SPs now, and I have had no problem in running the last 15 L3 missions that I have run (so far). Problem being is that it's going to take about 40 days to get the things I want trained. And then what? I still would be stuck in a ship that looks like it's eating another fish.
So to get to that point quicker, I went for the Omega clone. With training two times faster, I might be able to try L4s that much quicker. If anything, once I do get my skills maxed for the Alpha clone limits, I can always go back to Alpha status.
Good or bad, I will report my experiences in those L4s, but it's still going to be while.
Maybe CCP knows what they're doing. Only time will tell.
-Cassy |
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2Sonas1Cup
176
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:24:20 -
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It's possible to run SOME l4 missions with either a caracal or even a vexor. |
Ben Johannson
Evil Young Flesh
0
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Posted - 2016.12.12 11:45:07 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Didn't have much problem running Level 3s in a VNI sentry fit. It's all about shooting them when they can't shoot you. |
Kira II Narris
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.02 15:59:59 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
this is far from true. a gallente toon, in a vexor (with maxed out the alpha-possible drone skills), shield tanking at 40km+, can do most l3 easily |
Josef Djugashvilis
3518
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Posted - 2017.01.02 16:16:11 -
[64] - Quote
mkint wrote:I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say.
Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour.
Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.
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Casandra Laur
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2017.01.02 16:36:49 -
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I'm having no problems in L3s in my Gnosis. I am now getting 465dps, that includes 65 from 4 drones. I'm training now for that 5th drone. I am glad I am Gallente.
For my L4 agent, I have a standing of 4.3. I need a standing of 5 to run missions. I haven't been running may L3 missions lately because of the holidays. Even though I went Omega, I'm only training my skills to Alpha levels. In think I have about 7 more days of training, a couple of more drone skills, and I should be good. All the relevant skills will be at the max Alpha levels. Right now I'm at 1.958,959 sp.
I know many L4s may be doable, and I also know I may just be overwhelmed in others. I should tell my corpmates to go fly the Gnosis in L4s, using my fit, and we'll see how good you do first. Hmmm, sounds like an idea.
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Celise Katelo
State War Academy Caldari State
200
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Posted - 2017.01.02 16:36:56 -
[66] - Quote
Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
If you complete the missions rather quick then the LP is how you would get the profit, also having one person pick the mission up, while the rest warp to site & start to pew pew.
Fast LP, some good fun, so yes it would work well
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Casandra Laur
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2017.01.02 19:33:40 -
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Casandra Laur wrote:I'm having no problems in L3s in my Gnosis. I am now getting 465dps, that includes 65 from 4 drones. I'm training now for that 5th drone. I am glad I am Gallente.
For my L4 agent, I have a standing of 4.3. I need a standing of 5 to run missions. I haven't been running may L3 missions lately because of the holidays. Even though I went Omega, I'm only training my skills to Alpha levels. In think I have about 7 more days of training, a couple of more drone skills, and I should be good. All the relevant skills will be at the max Alpha levels. Right now I'm at 1.958,959 sp.
I know many L4s may be doable, and I also know I may just be overwhelmed in others. I should tell my corpmates to go fly the Gnosis in L4s, using my fit, and we'll see how good you do first. Hmmm, sounds like an idea.
-Cassy
Ahem . . .(clearing throat)
Well, I thought it would be a good idea. Had a friend take a Gnosis into a L4 with a fit that would be similar to mine. They have almost perfect gunnery and drone skills, putting out a total of 612dps.
First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!
So, L4's in that Gnosis, for that mission. No way! Mine would never be that strong as an Alpha. And I'm now not going to worry about getting any easy L4s, when I can do lots of L3s and make more.
-Cassy
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Abyss Azizora
DODGING
184
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Posted - 2017.01.02 22:21:03 -
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100% depends on which level 4 you get. Some can be done easily with a genosis or even just a T1 cruiser. Some are literally impossible however, the ones that come to mind are the ones versus a faction BS that can tank 750-800 dps, which I don't believe a alpha can achieve, at least not in a ship that can do the mission without dying a ball of fire. |
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
816
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:33:57 -
[69] - Quote
Well, you technically asked about a level 4 mission, so yes, there are Alpha chars who have ran level 4 distribution missions already (and they could run most level 4 mining missions, except the ones with ice). I have to agree with the rest of the thread in terms of security missions, though: doable, yes, but not efficient.
Level 3's will probably be the big "bread winners" as far as security missions go. They shouldn't be terribly difficult with the Gnosis or in a Navy cruiser, either, but they'll be a bit slower to run than they are for Omega chars.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
89
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:35:18 -
[70] - Quote
Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Done level 3s in a cruiser (moa) and done level 4s in a command ship (Vulture). So I don't completely agree with your statements, but I do concur that doing level 4s would be quite a challenge for a solo alpha. |
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
89
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:36:07 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's.
And perhaps more fun. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
65
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Posted - 2017.01.03 01:01:41 -
[72] - Quote
Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Dude, yesterday I teamed up with an alpha and we did a level 3. Used two tech I fitted Tristan's to do the deed. It was awesome. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
65
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Posted - 2017.01.03 01:04:24 -
[73] - Quote
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:mkint wrote:I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say. Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour. Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies.
Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.
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mkint
1342
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Posted - 2017.01.03 01:15:54 -
[74] - Quote
Marcus Binchiette wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:mkint wrote:I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say. Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour. Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies. Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way. Just because you guys suck at flying, don't assume everyone else does too.
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Alexis Red
Red Corporation
11
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Posted - 2017.01.03 05:59:51 -
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I had an account with solid drone skills turn alpha to see if it would be viable and the dips dropped to around 200 in a vexor with medium drones and rigged for dips... i ran level 3 missions with no problems, but couldn't stand grinding for 10 minutes on one battleship, so I bailed on the level 4 mission I got....r-drone, I think.
Level 3 misssions are cake walk for a maxed alpha, since 200dps is more than enough.
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Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.01.03 11:14:42 -
[76] - Quote
Marcus Binchiette wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:mkint wrote:I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say. Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour. Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies. Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way.
The OP could have been more exact of course, but making broad-seeming claims (L4's in an Algos etc)based on selecting the easiest mission types and the easiest missions within that type is misleading unless some qualifying details are provided.
There are a lot of useless claims in these forums because people would prefer to boast than inform. The forums would be lot more useful if more posters made an effort to provide useful and accurate information instead.
And on topic: I was able to do all L3 Security missions (yes - including (AFAIK) all the ones people know the names of :) with an Alpha clone at about 2.25 million SP: Gallente, quite good drone skills (for an Alpha), standard Vexor with all cheap T1 gear (IIRC, total price was under 15 million ISK), but ofc tuned for purpose (a slightly unusual fit).
I've tried it with another player protecting me in a medium-to-hard L4. I could stay alive ok, but as an earlier poster said, my dps was too low: weak Battleship rats took way too long. I think any BS rat with serious repping would be impossible. |
mkint
1343
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Posted - 2017.01.03 21:00:00 -
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Hakawai wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote:Josef Djugashvilis wrote:mkint wrote:I've solo'd lvl 4's in an AF, a talos, and an algos. I haven't tried since before alphas though. I imagine the DPS will be just a little bit short without T2 blasters, but 2 or 3 alphas should be able to handle it fine if they know what they are doing. Whether or not the isk/hour would be worth it, I couldn't say. Bah - I have soloed level 4 missions in a Velator armed with civilian guns and earned 200m isk per hour. Are we smoking the same stuff - it sure causes weird Eve related fantasies. Be sure to dump your 1 unit of tritanium and fit a cargo expander. You'll fit more loot that way. The OP could have been more exact of course, but making broad-seeming claims (L4's in an Algos etc)based on selecting the easiest mission types and the easiest missions within that type is misleading unless some qualifying details are provided. There are a lot of useless claims in these forums because people would prefer to boast than inform. The forums would be lot more useful if more posters made an effort to provide useful and accurate information instead. And on topic: I was able to do all L3 Security missions (yes - including (AFAIK) all the ones people know the names of :) with an Alpha clone at about 2.25 million SP: Gallente, quite good drone skills (for an Alpha), standard Vexor with all cheap T1 gear (IIRC, total price was under 15 million ISK), but ofc tuned for purpose (a slightly unusual fit). I've tried it with another player protecting me in a medium-to-hard L4. I could stay alive ok, but as an earlier poster said, my dps was too low: weak Battleship rats took way too long. I think any BS rat with serious repping would be impossible.
Ok, specifics. The talos (no tank besides the MWD, plus I learned to consider void ammo a tank in the process) did AE4, not sure about the bonus room. The algos, I don't recall which missions I did with it. The ishkur, which had pretty much the same fitting as the algos (complex AB, T2 guns, T2 drones, T2 magstabs) I think the hardest was WC4, and it's always been my boat to help out rookie corp mates when they use a different mission hub. I didn't spend enough time in the Algos to recall specifically which lvl 4's I did, but I lost around 5 Ishkurs in COSMOS lvl 4's (which had ship size gate restrictions that wouldn't allow battleships and continuously respawning NPCs) before I figured out how to do it, and to be patient while doing it.
The point isn't to brag. This is a stupid forum alt, I have no reputation to build with it. I'd probably just embarrass myself if I tried it again, now. The point is that people who suck at things claim hard things are impossible. But PVE is extremely predictable, and when a thing can be predicted, it can be countered. As I said in an earlier post, I really doubt an alpha will have the DPS to break the tank of a NPC battleship without void ammo and T2 drones. So, solo, a single alpha probably wouldn't be able to do lvl 4's. 2 or 3 should be able to though. I'd love to get a few people in RR cruisers and run a fleet of 10 alphas in lvl 4's, I think it'd be a blast. Also as I've said, it probably wouldn't be worth it in isk/hour, but it would be fun.
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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
6084
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Posted - 2017.01.03 23:23:09 -
[78] - Quote
Casandra Laur wrote:First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop!
Enemies Abound is one of the harder L4 missions.
A Gnosis can handle L4s just fine. An Alpha will need assistance (e.g.: follow along with a sentry drone vexor providing cap/shield/armour transfers). Just aim to get combined DPS and reps up to around 1000.
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Jazmyn Stone
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
180
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Posted - 2017.01.04 00:36:25 -
[79] - Quote
Mara Rinn wrote:Casandra Laur wrote:First L4 mission up - Enemies Abound Part 1 . . . it wasn't very pretty to start for them. Destroyed two cruisers, and was in armor in one minute, and warped back to base, repaired armor. (should have stayed docked up) Ok, back out she goes. Everything's running, and everyone's firing. Take down one cruiser and one frigate, and back into armor again, but this time there are 3 frigates scramming . . . into hull, with one frigate to go, should have had a mwd, as the ab only gave some hope . . . the shield booster was barely holding, last frigate pops, as she started to warp to base . . . pop! Enemies Abound is one of the harder L4 missions. A Gnosis can handle L4s just fine. An Alpha will need assistance (e.g.: follow along with a sentry drone vexor providing cap/shield/armour transfers). Just aim to get combined DPS and reps up to around 1000.
Geez, that for that incite! We had no idea. If we had known that we wouldn't have tried. Thank you. Thank you for that information!
Not!
They're talking about an Alpha doing L4s, not buddied up or in a gang. (If you're in a gang in a L4, what's the point?)
FYI, it was I who fitted a Gnosis for Casanda's level. I know very well how hard "Enemies Abound" would be in a gimped Gnosis. I have run that mission many, many times over the years. (not in a Gnosis of course.) It would be very hard, but for an experiment, I gave it a try. Took one for the team. I can't think of anyway that Gnosis could have done that mission now. Also, if you're not up on it, I'm the one who beat Stoic's Mach with a Tengu, so my skills are almost perfect.
"Gnosis can handle L4s just fine." No, only the easy ones, but if you say so, you take a Gnosis into "Enemies About" and see how you fare. Hey, either put up or shut up!
-Jaz
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Twenty Ten
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2017.01.04 09:38:27 -
[80] - Quote
Can they fly Gilas? Back when I was a noon I did many level 4s without issue in a Gila. |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
23625
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Posted - 2017.01.04 09:54:15 -
[81] - Quote
They can fly their faction T1 ships and Navy, up to cruiser. Also SoCT and some gift ships requiring only spaceship command I. No crosstraining for other faction ships for alphas.
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Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.01.04 10:18:47 -
[82] - Quote
@ mkint This is a thread on Alpha Clone capabilities.
- Talos is a BC, and as such not available to Alphas. I've never tried "stretching the envelope" of a gunship for Security missions, but I'd be surprised is it can't be done
- Ishkur is a T2 Frigate, not available to Alphas. I've been (in Help channel) told they can do impressive things though, and it looks very tpugh - a good start to get away with clever techniques
- Your Algos information includes Omega-only gear (Guns and Drones at least). I've spent a reasonable amount of time in T1/T1 Algos. None I've ever built could solo one of the harder L3 security missions, and I doubt they could handle even medium-level L4 Security mission. DPS is just too low, and tank too weak.
BTW you're not the only one to have done this, and this isn't intended as a personal attack. Your post + the "Starter Ship" response to it were just the most conveniently worded and positioned for a post I wanted to make.
I can accept you weren't boasting, and motive doesn't really matter anyway. The issue is that this kind of post works like disinformation ("forum PvP"), regardless of intention.
I really dislike the constant flow of misleading information to new players. EVE is rightly known as a game with a high startup threshold. There are are resources that help of course: experienced players who put significant effort into guiding new players, and sites like EvE Uni's wiki, so it's not an insurmountable barrier ... .
... but ...
... inaccurate information can waste a lot of a new players time. What of someone makes their medium-term "serious" income plan around one of the crazy claims that abound in NPC Corp and Help channels, and then finds it's completely impractical? Should they stay with EVE, and just start over? Some will, but this would be a particularly stupid reason to lose prospective new players. |
mkint
1346
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:14:37 -
[83] - Quote
Hakawai wrote:@ mkint This is a thread on Alpha Clone capabilities.
- Talos is a BC, and as such not available to Alphas. I've never tried "stretching the envelope" of a gunship for Security missions, but I'd be surprised if it can't be done
- Ishkur is a T2 Frigate, not available to Alphas. I've been (in Help channel) told they can do impressive things though, and it looks very tough - a good base to support clever PVE combat techniques
- Your Algos information includes Omega-only gear (Guns and Drones at least). I've spent a reasonable amount of time in T1/T1 Algos. None I've ever built could solo one of the harder L3 security missions, and I doubt they could handle even medium-level L4 Security mission. DPS is just too low, and tank too weak.
BTW you're not the only one to have done this, and this isn't intended as a personal attack. Your post + the "Starter Ship" response to it were just the most conveniently worded and positioned for a post I wanted to make. I can accept you weren't boasting, and motive doesn't really matter anyway. The issue is that this kind of post works like disinformation ("forum PvP"), regardless of intention. I really dislike the constant flow of misleading information to new players. EVE is rightly known as a game with a high startup threshold. There are are resources that help of course: experienced players who put significant effort into guiding new players, and sites like EvE Uni's wiki, so it's not an insurmountable barrier ... . ... but ... ... inaccurate information can waste a lot of a new players time. What of someone makes their medium-term "serious" income plan around one of the crazy claims that abound in NPC Corp and Help channels, and then finds it's completely impractical? Should they stay with EVE, and just start over? Some will, but this would be a particularly stupid reason to lose prospective new players. I've always qualified from the very beginning exactly the limits I expect from Alphas. I've said, no, I don't think they can solo lvl 4's and exactly why (lack of DPS.) But as far as I can tell, this thread, the OP and the title, never said anything about soloing. OP never said anything about running them for the sake of income or efficiency. As far as I can tell, the point of the thread was about pushing the limits of Alphas. And yeah, I'm totally convinced that a small fleet of alphas, even as few as 2 or 3, could do lvl 4's with much fun to be had. Alphas does not automatically mean rookie, inexperienced, unguided, or uninformed, though I'm convinced that even a rookie alpha could be able to succeed in taking part in lvl 4's with some fairly basic knowledge and an accelerated experience opportunity (i.e. lots of replacement ships for when things go wrong.) And I'm not even that smart, that I could figure out the mechanics to survive the missions the way I did, I expect pretty much anyone could figure it out quicker and at a much lower cost. But it is about a tactile understanding of the engine, not about bling.
I also want to point out that I've never been a fan of the gnosis. It has the same problems that mixing tanks or mixing guns has... mediocre at everything ends up being the same as functional at nothing. Pick a ship that's actually good at something and figure out how to exploit the hell out of it.
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3041
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Posted - 2017.01.04 17:43:55 -
[84] - Quote
Twenty Ten wrote:Can they fly Gilas? Back when I was a noon I did many level 4s without issue in a Gila.
No as that require 2 racial cruiser skill trained. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3041
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Posted - 2017.01.04 17:49:23 -
[85] - Quote
Dwai Attic wrote:Kosomot wrote:Nevyn Auscent wrote:Or just don't solo lvl 4's and they will be easy with several alpha's. This.. Alpha Gang running level 4's will be a thing. I can see Drone Masses with Vexor Gang's hammering Level 4 misisons Would it be even profitable? I'm not familiar with missions (thank god) but I imagine the pay would be pretty negligible.
It's ahrd to make mission unprofitable. You literally have to shoot more ammo than the ISK you get from the NPC kill itself, the mission reward, the bonus reward and the effective value of the LP reward. Faction ammo in a level 1 mission with large gun might run you in the red I guess... |
Casandra Laur
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2017.01.04 20:25:33 -
[86] - Quote
I, myself, do not want to do any arguing. I would like to think that an Alpha thinking about L4s, might game some insight from this post.
Did you know that "Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (in the nominative case +¦++ß+¦-â+¦-é f.). It generally signifies a dualistic knowledge in the sense of mystical enlightenment or "insight"."
Any way, this is the very first post:
"Any Alpha clone managed to do L4 missions yet? -efficiently or doable?"
It seems like to me that means doing them solo.
It's just not a simple yes or no answer, that's why we're into the 5th page. An Alpha could do some L4's. Mission's like "Enemies Abound", no. "The Anomaly Part 1 and 2", yes; part 3, no. "The Assault", no. "Cargo Delivery", yes. "Dread Pirate Scarlet", no. "Guristas Spies", no. "Recon", yes. etc. etc.
I'm sure that if there is a difficult L4 mission that could be completed by an Alpha, it wouldn't be done efficiently.
A person in a heavy tanked Drake, could do possibly all L4s, but it would take forever.
The overall outlook for L4s for a solo Alpha, as the OP asked, is not good. I don't think Alphas are going to get rich quick.
-Cassy |
Novaseeker Amatin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.09 03:07:11 -
[87] - Quote
[Gnosis] Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II Damage Control II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II Shield Power Relay II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I EM Ward Amplifier II Thermal Dissipation Amplifier II Kinetic Deflection Amplifier II Large Shield Extender II Large Shield Extender II
Drone Link Augmentor I 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II Medium Core Defense Field Purger I Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
'Integrated' Hobgoblin x5 'Integrated' Hammerhead x5
Antimatter Charge M
This is my level 3 missions Gnosis, with my current alpha skills, it does 354.5 dps and has 43,475 ehp, with 70/70/70/53 resists on shield. I want to swap another field purger for the tech two variant when I get more isk and maybe swap the ammo for faction ammo if the dps is not enough for level 4s. The speed is awful, 155.3 m/s but I don't much moving around except slowly move away from the groups while aggroing them with my rails, then when I got solid aggro, let the ligths take out the small stuff, then swap with mediums for cruisers and above. I have just hit the rating necessary for level 4 missions, but haven't done any yet, I'm tired and I'm going to bed. I'll post a reply again tomorrow after I have done a few level 4s. By the way, my tank doesn't fall below 80% during level 3 missions, and I've only been running security level 3s so far. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34744
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Posted - 2017.01.09 10:25:33 -
[88] - Quote
level 4 hauler missions? All day long?
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Novaseeker Amatin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.09 13:08:17 -
[89] - Quote
OK so an update. I just did my first level 4 mission in the gnosis I posted above, it was a Serpentis Extravaganza Level 4 security, my tank was more than fine, I never needed to warp out, I took my time clearing one group at a time, the damage was fine, and with this occasion I discovered that my light drones are faster and better at killing the mission battleships than my medium drones. It took a bit to finish the mission, I spent some time after clearing each room regenerating my capacitor (my gnosis is not cap stable while using rails and the invulnerability field at the same time, it takes about 10 minutes to deplete, but I'm not using the guns all the time), while my mtu gathered up all the stuff, but the point is, as an alpha, with about 1.5 mil sp, most of them in drones and shields, it is perfectly doable to run level 4 missions with a decent fit. |
Casandra Laur
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:37:08 -
[90] - Quote
Good to hear!
Your passive tank generates about 70hp/s, about the same for my active tank. You were putting out low dps, as compared to about 500dps from my Gnosis (400 rails, 100 drones)
The extravaganza is basically an easy mission with 5 pockets. As long as you watch the triggers, you only have to deal with a few ships in each spawn in each pocket. I'm sure it took lots of time for each group. There aren't any scrambling frigates either.
With the shield booster running (at 70hp/s), my friend was in armor in about 1m in Ememies Abound part 1.
As I said previously, I'm sure there are L4 missions that an Alpha could do, but not very efficiently at all.
It probably took 45min or even an hour for you to complete the extravaganza, but you did complete it. How many L3s can you do in one hour. There may be a balance point, but less stressful.
Try your luck on Enemies Abound part 1, for a true comparison. (really I wish you well, because with your fit, you will also be in armor in about 1m., so get aligned to your station as soon as you warp in.)
-Cassy |
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Novaseeker Amatin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.01.09 18:21:48 -
[91] - Quote
Yeah my gun skills are garbage, haven't trained anything in there yet, I focused early on maxing out all gallente alpha available drone skills and then shield skills, I know my dps still needs working on. I'm still training engineering skills now because I could use a bit more cap.
The point was that it is perfectly doable for alphas to run level 4 missions, even security ones, by paying attention to what you fit, what you fight, how you fight, etc. Was mostly addressing the guy on the first page of the thread that was so vehement in saying that it's impossible.
As an addendum, I would like to say that being an alpha, I don't have to focus on maximizing isk/hour, being an alpha I don't have to worry about the subscription time running out and trying to get isk for a plex as quickly as possible, I like to take things at leisure and explore what I can do with the limited tools that I have at my disposal. |
Casandra Laur
KIRSTONE ALLIANCE
16
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Posted - 2017.01.11 22:04:28 -
[92] - Quote
Maybe as a final statement on Alphas doing L4 missions, maybe.
Yes, some L4 missions an Alpha is capable of doing. Will they do it in a timely manner? No.
Also, there are some L4 missions that an Alpha will simply fail at. (please don't try this at home.)
That should just about sum it up.
-Cassy
(I shouldn't say, but I'm working on a Gnosis fit that has two large ancillary boosters. So far everything fits and is cap stable, and still puts out some decent damage. The Gnosis has a great cargo bay for the booster charges. Shield hp reps is almost 200.)
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Zylon Grey
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.26 11:03:00 -
[93] - Quote
Hi,
I-¦m an Alpha with nearly all skills learned that are available for me and tried a ton of fitts for Gnosis to get the L4 done. The only problem solo are the Warlord class ships. On long range with drones not enough dmg to bring them down on close range possible but it will take for ever and you will need a lot of cap booster to stay alive for every single warlord.
Also it-¦s only possible if you only have to tank two of them at a time. If you face more than two close together no chance. Same for the L3 extra rooms also Warlords here.
Because of this the time you have to spent is enough to do two L3 what will be more ISK than one L4
If someone want-¦s to try go in with a railgun long range gnosis to to kill the smal ships out of range of the warlords after that switch to a short range blaster gnosis to finsh the warlords (or antimatter charge for the rails -> takes longer but don-¦t have to change ship)
In addition I think there will be some missions with sentry guns that fire very long range what will make it impossible ! |
Isaac Silverblood
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.02.25 21:40:28 -
[94] - Quote
Could this run lv 4's?
[Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR]
Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Federation Navy Hammerhead x5 |
walker Hanomaa
Ploob Alliance
7
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:50:37 -
[95] - Quote
If we are talking solo: tis a no
but in a fleet; hell yes i run l4 missions with a group of people :D |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5779
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Posted - 2017.02.26 03:10:52 -
[96] - Quote
In terms of reward, I think you'll be further ahead running L3s as an Alpha unless as was suggested - you band together as a group to run them more effectively. You really need to be able to put out in excess of 800 sustained DPS to ensure L4s aren't more than a grind than they already are.
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Linus Gorp
Ministry of Propaganda and Morale Black Marker
870
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Posted - 2017.02.26 11:41:17 -
[97] - Quote
Level 3's can be run solo in a frigate. Needs a little bling, but no skills that are alpha-locked. Most level 4's are doable in a cruiser.
Neither is very efficient (or efficient at all), but it's doable.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5792
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Posted - 2017.02.26 14:28:59 -
[98] - Quote
Emphasis in "doable". You can also mine in a Rokh - but I wouldn't necessarily recommend it...
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
76
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Posted - 2017.02.26 15:19:28 -
[99] - Quote
As a man who runs a lot of missions, there isn't a point, it'd be neat and maybe doable with 5 cruisers, but it will always be mission dependant and even then it could be a very long, gruelling slog for a significant chunk less money than any Omega character could make doing the same thing solo. |
ImYourMom
Retribution Holdings Corp Retribution.
122
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Posted - 2017.02.26 19:08:27 -
[100] - Quote
Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
You can do a haven in a Vexor navy |
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Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
72
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Posted - 2017.02.26 19:57:53 -
[101] - Quote
ImYourMom wrote:Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening. You can do a haven in a Vexor navy AFAIK my Alpha has done all the L3 Security missions in a normal Vexor.
Of course the ship is specifically fitted for this purpose. The main trade-off is relatively low DPS in exchange for very long range.
If I wanted to optimize for ISK/hour I'd have two (maybe three) ships, and a mission/ship list so I could choose the one that provided the best ISK/hour for each mission. I'd certainly include a gun/drone hybrid, which would have anything up to twice the dps - better for the easier L3's, but not enough tank for the hard ones.
I've taken a cruiser into moderately difficult Security L4's a couple of times (protected by someone in a more appropriate ship of course). My T1 Vexors with Alpha restrictions don't have the dps to deal with the harder rats, and take far too long to drop the medium-strength ones.
OTOH three or four T1 cruisers would be enough for any L4 I've tried out. The problem there is trust. The way loot is distributed in missions encourages theft, and it only takes one thief in the group. What sane EVE player would trust three strangers? |
Mhargit Kohvats
Steel and Iron Regiment
0
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Posted - 2017.03.02 08:51:11 -
[102] - Quote
Isaac Silverblood wrote:Could this run lv 4's?
[Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR]
Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Federation Navy Hammerhead x5
That's a 1.7B fit... Its a plex+well fitted BS.
BTW, i did a lot of lvl3's in an Omen. Now I started lvl4 in an Omen Navy. I like it! It's sometimes boring when u shoot battleships for minutes, but its not a warp in stand-shoot-loot kind of game. It takes time, challangeing, sometimes makes you angry but defenetly better than farm for plex. If you want to make ISK you can do DED 3/10 and 4/10 easily in a faction crusier.
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Ninteen Seventy-Nine
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
259
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Posted - 2017.03.02 18:37:12 -
[103] - Quote
Isaac Silverblood wrote:Could this run lv 4's?
[Gnosis, Alpha Bling AR]
Sentient Damage Control True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink True Sansha Heat Sink Dread Guristas Drone Damage Amplifier Caldari Navy Power Diagnostic System
Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Dread Guristas Adaptive Invulnerability Field Corelum C-Type 10MN Afterburner Republic Fleet Medium Cap Battery Gist X-Type Large Shield Booster
True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M Drone Link Augmentor I True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M True Sansha Heavy Beam Laser, Imperial Navy Multifrequency M
Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell II Medium Semiconductor Memory Cell I
Federation Navy Hammerhead x5
You could do lvl 4s.
You could also be ganked with the force of 1000 suns.
"The unending paradox is that we do learn through pain."
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1323
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Posted - 2017.03.03 09:49:16 -
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Alasdan Helminthauge wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Eternus8lux8lucis wrote:Pix Severus wrote:The Level 4 Missions called Recon and Cargo Delivery can be done in a shuttle, so if you're an alpha and have a Level 4 Agent nearby, it might be worth checking their missions every now and then. They have changed the Cargo Delivery L4, it now spawns several cruisers and BSs on warp in. Shuttles will die in a fire. Damn, glad I haven't gotten that mission recently! I think he's wrong, unless the change is after 12/06 instead of Ascension. Cargo Delivery and Recon (all 3) can be done by anyone can fly a frigate with a 5MN MWD and basic tanks. and I think among other lv4 missions, blood raider spies, right hand of Zazz, stop the thief, pirate invasion, serpentis assault, unauthorized military presence, pot and kettle (1/5) and surprise surprise should be handable for a maxed-skilled alpha clone with lots of player experience, solo by blitzing. I'm sure I'm miss some others. if they want good isk/hr, they should go to check for the cargo delivery and recon (probably also stop the thief and pot and kettle 1/5) missions. and if they've fleeted, 2 should be enough for team burner and 3 for agent burner, maybe 3 and 4 for more efficience. Trust me I am not wrong on this. I did several today. L4 Cargo Delivery spawns 2-3 BS and 2-3 cruisers depending on the spawn. Its still easily doable in a frigate with MWD but slow boating in a shuttle will be murder. Sunesis with alpha skills and a mild passive tank can do this still.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.03.03 12:47:38 -
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Alpha bots are running level 4 courier missions. |
LordGirl Flowers
Minmatar Commonwealth Society Commonwealth Coalition
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Posted - 2017.03.18 10:40:55 -
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Hello,
I thought I'd add my experience since I've successfully completed a number of Level 4 missions, in the last week, using an Alpha-fitted Gnosis with 720 and 650 MM Artys.
Doable: Yes, Efficient: No Some of the earlier posters queried: "Can it be done efficiently?". The short answer is "Not really". Additionally, some of the bigger missions I did not complete (though farming bounties is comparatively good for Alpha income).
DPS DPS is almost 290, but 55 comes from drones and they are limited to 25 km's (not great). I have maxed possible drone skills, they are good for taking down small ships as usual.
Almost Maxxed Skills I played in 2011 for 3 months, and played again as Alpha (3 weeks) then as Omega (3 months) since December 2016. My SP is around 7.5 million and I am effectively maxed for Minmatar medium weapons and combats systems that would directly or indirectly affect performance and dps.
Highs Slots, Guns: I'll add the fit soon but its almost identical to my Maelstrom fit, except using 720 and 650 mm guns (not 120mm guns). 3 720s, 2 650s and a heavy missile launcher, I also have heavy missiles 3 and warhead upgrades to 2 or 3. Again DPS is 290, could hit 300 by using the very best 'named' 720's and 650's. Range of the guns is 57 Km's with titanium sabot and 39 Km's with EMP and Fusion. (heavy Launcher 47 km flight time)
Shield Tank same as Maelstrom Tank is effectively identical to my Maelstrom, mid-slots: MWD 50MN Y-T8, Large Sheild Booster (top named), Large cap booster with 800's (1 per cycle), I Adaptive Inv, 2 x 'Damage Type' Shields The tank is absolutely supreme, there is almost no difference between the Maelstrom Sheild Tank and the Gnosis shield tank, even though the Mael has double HP. The sheild tank enables you to survive. The 900m3 enables you to carry around 25 800 cap boosters. It's also the problem though - you have to restock these because under fire you're pumping the cap and the shield.
Low Slots 3 Gyro II's, 1 Tracking Enhancer II, 2 mark I Reactor Control Units. The reactor/cpu is the issue, Without the reactor control units you cant use the 720's, and I could only use 3.
Rigs 1 damage and 1 rate of fire rig
General Comments and Additional Info I stock an MTU which helps in timing, the 900M3 again is actually better than the Maelstrom. The shield tank is awesome and stands up under fire from up to say 4 or 5 battlehships (worth 500K bounty each). it's impressive but its burns through booster 800's. I have to refill these when spawns and waves number beyond 3. For multiple rooms its multiple restocks. Sheild Tank is awesome and more than respectable for Level 4, dps is low and slow but doable, just not efficient. Drones at 25km's is a draw back aswell.
The MWD grants me 1000 m/s and this is incredibly useful to get out of ****. (pretty sure I have max skills here aswell, if not its 3% less than max skills)
ISK/hour At this stage, Id say isk per hour is around 6 to 10 million in consideration of market return on loot, mission reward and mission bonus and bounties. This doesn't include 2500 to 4000 typical LP (I have best SP connections) per mission.
Id say smaller and medium missions can be done in 1 to 1.5 hours. |
LordGirl Flowers
Minmatar Commonwealth Society Commonwealth Coalition
0
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Posted - 2017.03.18 10:55:09 -
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Casandra Laur wrote:I, myself, do not want to do any arguing. I would like to think that an Alpha thinking about L4s, might game some insight from this post.
Did you know that "Gnosis is the common Greek noun for knowledge (in the nominative case +¦++ß+¦-â+¦-é f.). It generally signifies a dualistic knowledge in the sense of mystical enlightenment or "insight"."
Any way, this is the very first post:
"Any Alpha clone managed to do L4 missions yet? -efficiently or doable?"
It seems like to me that means doing them solo.
It's just not a simple yes or no answer, that's why we're into the 5th page. An Alpha could do some L4's. Mission's like "Enemies Abound", no. "The Anomaly Part 1 and 2", yes; part 3, no. "The Assault", no. "Cargo Delivery", yes. "Dread Pirate Scarlet", no. "Guristas Spies", no. "Recon", yes. etc. etc.
I'm sure that if there is a difficult L4 mission that could be completed by an Alpha, it wouldn't be done efficiently.
A person in a heavy tanked Drake, could do possibly all L4s, but it would take forever.
The overall outlook for L4s for a solo Alpha, as the OP asked, is not good. I don't think Alphas are going to get rich quick.
-Cassy
Hey, Ill post my fit shortly, but they are very doable in a Gnosis. As I point out above I use a shield tank as a minmatar pilot and artys (720s and 650s).
It is not efficient, but it is doable for small and medium (most) Level 4 missions. Isk / hour is probably quite good for alpha at 6 mill to 10 mill (per hour) . Better than venture mining ore and more reliable than venture ninja gas mining!
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Nate Hill
Rocket No. 9
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Posted - 2017.03.18 11:58:19 -
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I refuse to do level 4 mission without Golem. |
Finn Aireman
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.04.19 02:27:45 -
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Well, hopefully I can help my fellow alphas out by sharing my experience as a Gellente alpha. I've done dozens of lvl 3 missions in my Vexor.
Fit is as follows:
Low: 1x Micro auxilliary power core I 1 x Vortex Compact Magnetic field stabilizer 3x AE-K Compact Drone damage amplifiers
Medium: 10MN Monopropellant Enduring Afterburner 2x Limited Adaptive Invulnerability field 1x Large Azeotropic Restrained Shield Extender
High: 4 x 250mm Prototype Gauss Gun /w Uranium Charge (M) (I use Uranium instead of Antimatter for the added range with only a small drop in DPS. This lets me keep my enemies at 25-30km, with my drones and turrets taking down enemies in unison).
rig: 3 x Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Drones: a mix of Hammerhead I Hobgoblin I
I put out more hammerheads for Destroyers/cruisers/battleships, and more hobgoblins for frigates.
Currently I get 329dps with all hammerheads in this build.
I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds.
I'm excited to start lvl 4's with the Gnosis. I have 412 dps in the Gnosis currently. We'll see how that goes, once I get enough rep with SOE
I looked carefully at the Vexor Navy Issue and realized that it's actually not a good alpha ship. True, it has more Shield/Armour/Hull than the Vexor, but its increased drone bandwidth is not usable by an alpha (we can only fit 5 med drones max, which only uses 50mbit/sec, and it has 2 less turrets. So I would get a slightly better tank at the cost of two turrets. Hardly a benefit, especially at ~8x the cost of a regular Vexor.
The Gnosis is a definite upgrade however with massively larger HP, an extra turret and a higher bonus to both turret and drone damage (since we alphas max out at 4 Gallente cruiser skill, we only get 20% and 40% turret and drone bonus damage in a Vexor compared to 25% and 50% in the Gnosis.). Sadly, the Gnosis cannot be insured due to it's extremely low materials cost (5 ISK), so don't fly it if you can't afford to replace it. On that note, I've found that raiding Relic/Data sites in lowsec/wormhole space using the Imicus frigate is a really easy way to make ~20 million ISK per hour, as long as you don't mind being ganked from time to time (Man, I really wish we could use that cloaking device!!).
Anyway, hope this helps. Good luck to the other alphas out there and Fly safe!
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Yebo Lakatosh
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
191
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Posted - 2017.04.19 10:22:25 -
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Finn Aireman wrote:I've seen many "Alpha" builds on the forums with Tech II modules. Alphas CANNOT use those. Those are not true alpha builds. You may want to double-check those builds - Alphas can use many T2 modules with the appropriate skills. They can't use T2 guns.
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HugoRich
HugoRich Corporation
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Posted - 2017.04.19 12:15:35 -
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Start as an alpha amarr, all lvl 3 easy on a Omen Navy, low signature 100m + kite + speed+ medium beam with M-navy optimal is around 20km, ehp 25k, +5 med drones dps is around 400, so u can do atleast half of l4, honestly i wasnt even try them coz get omega and sit on gila |
Lord Rolfski
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
0
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Posted - 2017.05.18 03:16:44 -
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I've run Level 3 missions as an alpha clone so far as both Gallente (Vexor) and Caldari (Caracal), and I stumbled upon this topic when I was trying to figure out what my chances are for Level 4 missions. What I've read so far, it seems to me they're not really worth the trouble for alpha clones. To get enough DPS out of my mission ships (I assume you need 300+ for lvl 4), I will probably have to sacrifice tank and range too much.
My problem with Level 3 missions however is that the loot kinda sucks, but I find my completist self picking it up anyway.
Btw, with the right alpha skills trained these missions aren't too difficult. Except for the one that has neut and webtowers, as well as NPC's scrambling you. I lost 2 Caracals on that one before I figured it out. What really helps imo are the skills and tech 2 modules that I can train into as an alpha (although so far I keep my rigs at tech 1 to keep the cost down). With Gallente alpha skills alone I can control my drones at 40km and have my hybrids do additional damage at that range for a total of 250 DPS, while keeping a 17K EHP active shield tank, for instance. And as Caldari alpha I can fire missiles at a comfortable 60km with a 20K EHP active shield tank, while still doing more than enough damage for level 3 missions.
However it seems to me that this simply won't cut it for many lvl 4 missions. I will probably find myself fleeing out the engagement in structure way too often to make these missions even slightly enjoyable in an alpha cruiser (haven't saved up for a fully fitted Gnosis yet, but I'm not sure if it will make much difference). |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
164
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Posted - 2017.05.18 04:26:33 -
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i did a test with alpha level 4 gnosis with a gallente alpha (it is me) when it first came out
i can confirm you can do L4s with an Alpha gnosis. But it took me like 2-3 hours to complete 1 mission lol.
the thing is to kite all the way and not fight guristas. |
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
2792
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Posted - 2017.05.18 10:41:11 -
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Could easily do it with a speed tanking shield extended Rax. Would take time flying around but I'm pretty certain I could complete level 4's by taking out the right ships and avoiding a few that' it would fail on. But then that's me and I'm exceptional.
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HydrogenBond Shaishi
C-H-C
13
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Posted - 2017.05.19 03:24:32 -
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not possible. Just Omega and go OP on level 4s...which is the suckies way to make isk/ |
jolly rog3rs
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.05.19 20:37:31 -
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Jotunspor wrote:Without a Battleship, not possible. Level 3s aren't even possible unless you've got a Battlecruiser. Unless of course by some miracle you're able to pull it off in a Cruiser. Not possible, though... I don't see it happening. I can't see it happening.
Not exactly on topic, but I used to run a lot of level 4s in a HAC the Cerberus to be exact. Required a lot more hands on piloting, but it was so much more fun than my sit and kill everything Tengu. lol.
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