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Maximus Bullet
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.06 20:56:33 -
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What's up with the huge range and diminishing returns with skill injectors? 5million to 50million lmao! Why not a better teir system with the rate of return based on every 10-20 million SP or somethin? |
Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
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Posted - 2016.12.06 21:03:37 -
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ccp dev for the system was lazy, go gotta go fast, 5-->50 whoooshhhhh izi
ayyyy lmaoo |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.12.06 21:20:58 -
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I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, but I said that as well back then. Could have made it work like the falloff curve, and I can't imagine this being too difficult to implement either, where the effect diminishes only very slightly in the beginning, then drops in an almost linear fashion beyond a certain point, and then slowly flattens again as it approaches zero near the end of the scale. The actual "falloff range" could be based on the average SP/character on the server, so the system would scale better depending on how many "Newbies" there are that may want to catch and adapt to the addition or removal of skills to the game that would affect the SP cap. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders
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Posted - 2016.12.06 22:16:00 -
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Actually it should be increasing returns! Because the skill progression already has huge diminishing returns built in.
When you have only a few million SP, +500k SP are a huge deal in terms of the extra bonuses, ships, abilities that you can unlock. Cool!
But when you're over 50 million SP, +150k SP does absolutely nothing but even +500k SP would barely just budge those last lvl V training queues!
So yeah, as a 65M+ SP character I demand more bang for my buck!!!11one! Gimme dat dirty SP, CCP!
Make space glamorous!
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.06 23:01:55 -
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Gully Alex Foyle wrote:Actually it should be increasing returns! Because the skill progression already has huge diminishing returns built in. When you have only a few million SP, +500k SP are a huge deal in terms of the extra bonuses, ships, abilities that you can unlock. Cool! But when you're over 50 million SP, +150k SP does absolutely nothing but even +500k SP would barely just budge those last lvl V training queues! So yeah, as a 65M+ SP character I demand more bang for my buck!!!11one! Gimme dat dirty SP, CCP!
hmmm ok.
But anyways, yea I agree the SP brackets between 5-50million should be bracketed a little better.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.12.07 01:00:36 -
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Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors,
Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence.
Just sayin'
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 01:22:11 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
I mean, your like, old, eh?
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Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2016.12.07 01:29:13 -
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Princess Adhara wrote:I mean, your like, old, eh?
I think the word you're looking for is "you're"; you know, I mean, like the contraction of "you are", ya know?
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Baggo Hammers
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Posted - 2016.12.07 01:52:04 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
Like I can dig it
If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.12.07 02:00:34 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
aaf idk wat ur on abt
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Memphis Baas
2430
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Posted - 2016.12.07 02:04:03 -
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Has something to do with:
1. We accumulate 20 million skillpoints / year.
2. Depending on how you (don't) specialize, it can take: 1 year to futz around, 1 year for support skills, 1 year for T2 weapons + T2 ships, 1 year for the prerequisites for capital ships, 1 year for the capital ship skills, 1 year for T2 weapons/mods/defenses for said capital ships. So the point breaks are at 20 million, 40 million, 60 million, 80 million etc. skill points.
3. Unlocking ships and weapons is, maybe, fun. Training the necessary support skills so you can get much needed +5% here, +5% there, but no new ships and no new abilities (from new modules), is NOT fun.
4. So 5 million SP gets you a trading + PI alt. Spend 6 PLEX, get 10 injectors, done, alt can trade on the market and make some side income.
5. 50 million SP covers the dreaded "train your support skills" phase. 60 PLEX, $1,200, if you have it, you can skip past the boring first 2 years where you're just +5%'ing everything.
6. After that, they wanted people to have to spend the time to get the larger T2 ships and the capital ships at the same slow rate as everyone else, so the returns are super-diminishing.
Hope that answers your question.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
457
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Posted - 2016.12.07 02:13:19 -
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Skill injectors need to die. They took grind-free progression and turned it into a variation of the old free-to-wait paywall used in so many bad F2P games.
A signature :o
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P3ps1 Max
Hedion University Amarr Empire
36
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Posted - 2016.12.07 02:50:42 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
I'm confused, is it "way more" annoying or more annoying? And possibly add a period after Mr
Cheers :)
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1176
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Posted - 2016.12.07 03:11:36 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen I mean, that's like a bad habit, right?
I'm not american, and the Eve community first and foremost is to blame for my english skills. I am the victim here! |
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
1129
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Posted - 2016.12.07 03:17:36 -
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Neuntausend wrote:.... I am the victim here!
Are you SURE you're not American? You sure sound American.....
Occasional Resident Newbie Correspondent for TMC: http://themittani.com/search/site/mephiztopheleze
This is my Forum Main. My Combat Alt is sambo Inkura
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.12.07 03:32:48 -
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Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Skill injectors need to die. They took grind-free progression and turned it into a variation of the old free-to-wait paywall used in so many bad F2P games. skill injectors are actually superior to the old character sales method of combating gold & account sellers. Without one of those two systems account sellers and hacking become far more rife as there is a lot more real money profit in it when there isn't an in game isk method of doing the same. The reason they are superior is that under skill injectors players behind characters don't change, only who has the SP. So what CCP actually need to do is phase character sales out so that once you know who is behind a character, you know they are always behind that character. |
Cade Windstalker
623
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Posted - 2016.12.07 03:37:47 -
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It's meant to have Skill Injectors be broadly useful to a large chunk of the playerbase and retain value, but not a great way of boosting up very old characters who already fly, for example, multiple race's Titans. Hence the large range at the start and then the steeper drop off at the end. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
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Posted - 2016.12.07 12:53:26 -
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Mephiztopheleze wrote:Neuntausend wrote:.... I am the victim here! Are you SURE you're not American? You sure sound American..... Quite. I have reached a state where I'm rotating between "Howdy folks! How's all y'yall doing on this mighty fine day?", "Hello guv'nor! That's a spiffing tweed you have there ol' chap.", "how to words? I lost my ability to speech!", anything inbetween and more often than not a terrible mix of the three.
You see, I'm actually german, hence, my, odd use of, punctuation, and english is not my mother tongue. I did of course learn english in school, but that did not enable me to actually communicate. I picked that skill up on the internet over the last 10 or so years. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.12.07 13:26:58 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Neuntausend wrote:I mean, I've never been a huge fan of the injectors, Starting a sentence with 'I mean' is the one sure way to know that the poster is a millennial American. Much worse than the hippy dippy 'like' that it is replacing and way more annoying than the 'eh' that we tack on the end of every sentence. Just sayin' Mr Epeen
Hey Mr !
I was a hippie back in the day and had a great time going to concerts and festivals - Led Zeppelin, December 8 1971 was the best concert I ever went to - and I have been a Rolling Stones fan since 1964.
And, like, hey man, was a far-out term to use when I was young.
This is not a signature.
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.12.07 13:49:56 -
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Starting a sentence with "I mean" indicates that you've been arguing both sides of an issue in your head, and started posting in the middle of said internal argument. Which means that at least you've given the topic of the post at least some thought.
Which, IMO, is much better than posting without thinking at all.
Which seems to happen a lot in General Discussion. |
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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
471
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Posted - 2016.12.07 15:06:00 -
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should have been a full on cap at 120mil SP or so. |
Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
1120
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Posted - 2016.12.07 16:50:05 -
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I had >80 mil SP on all my characters when injectors came out... I got hosed.
Not today spaghetti.
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flummox
24
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:14:20 -
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going to weigh in here.
it is absolutely absurd that skill injectors don't just give a flat value of the 500k. why the need for diminishing returns? it makes no sense at all that my character should suffer a penalty simply because i made the character in 2003 and managed to train him.
why is my money worth less? why is my PLEX worth less? why does a long term player (read PAYER) get screwed to the pooch when it comes to this one item? screw it. why not let this mentality into other aspects of EVE? maybe players over 5mil SP should only get 33% of the ore they mine, too. and mission runners, let's reduce their payouts to 33% when they hit 5mil. don't forget to hit incursion and FW with the 33% nerfbat while you're at it...
insane. insane to punish people who have put thousands of real life money into this game.
what is this trend of not only IGNORING your long term loyal CUSTOMERS, but actively SCREWING them over in favor of someone who just started playing is INSANE.
you need to make this right, CCP.
NowGäó. Not SoonGäó.
flummox
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1186
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Posted - 2016.12.07 17:49:29 -
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This aspect actually has been part of Eve for a long time. Take the security status or standings for example: The higher it is, the slower it increases, making it more difficult to reach 5/10 respectively. Same with skills: level one of a skill gives you the same benefit as level 5, but level 5 takes much more time to train. Same with ships and modules: A warp scrambler that has 10% more range doesn't cost 10% more, but more along the lines of 1000%. That's not "insane", but quite the opposite, as it allows older and more wealthy characters to get an edge over low SP poors, but not enough to roflstomp them by default.
And ultimately, your money is worth the same as a nerwer players money: You can buy the same SP Extractor with AUR/money they can. It's the same item doing exactly the same thing. The Skill injector you can make with it may not be as useful to you as it is for a newer character, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the same worth attached to it.
SP extraction/injection was explicitly implemented to give newer players a way to catch up. Keeping that in mind, it wouldn't make a lot of sense to have them give high SP characters the same benefit. You may just have to come to terms with the simple fact that not everything that gets added to the game will be aimed at you specifically - there are other players in this game as well. ;) |
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