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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres
Originally by: Jimer Lins Maybe the traders should be allowed to refuse sales to specific corps/alliances via the market.
Yeah, I agree, it sickens me when I see that I have sold to a BoB cheater or one of their pets.
Well, I can't speak to that specifically, and I'm not exactly a trader. However, it seems to me that it's not really out of line to think that the people selling things should be allowed to refuse to sell to the people who are likely to pod them. It seems that it could be a good balancing mechanic, but it may have drawbacks. Just spitballing here. ;)
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:42:00 -
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Actually, it occurs to me that you could easily tie something like this into the standings system- let someone set "market options" and tie it to a specific skill in trading- say Trading III or something.
You could have options that either raise or lower prices by percentages based on standings, and refuse sales to standings below a certain point. Maybe set different options for personal standings, but that's probably more effectively managed through private contracts.
Meh, maybe drifting off topic. But if the target can't fight back with guns, maybe they can fight back with ISK. :)
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Kaaii
Caldari Equilibrium LLC
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:45:00 -
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the trouble with "sales refusal" via corp/alliance filters would probably come from the refused corp/alliance members using alts to buy then. If you refused the alts corp (npc/non-corped players) you would cut out a huge customer base. Cutting off your nose to spite your face as it were.
I would live to see some way to be able to filter sales to only friendly/non-hostile corps, but given the alt glut, i don't see this ever happening...
Kaaii
Trading 101 Kaaii-Net Research Labs
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:08:00 -
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If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.
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Paul Castrin
Gallente Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An snip long list
Of these 69 wars, 50 are against alliances, the vast bulk of which are 0.0 alliances. 8 are against Empire industrial corps.
Nice list Ki An, very interesting.
I'll admit I was one of the "omg griefers!" group when it came to Privateer members but I've calmed down a bit since. Most are just taking advantage of the war'dec system and many (and yes I know a few and even call them friends) prey mostly on those that really should be able to fight or at lease fight back. In other words not all are hauler gankers. Of course they wouldn't be CALLED privateers if they didn't raid commerce.
But I would like to point out two things that came to my mind after reading your post:
1) noticeably lacking from the above list are any true PvP only alliances or merc outfits. I find this especially interesting in that the two most powerful PvP alliances are not in that list, namely MC and BoB. That is not to say there aren't other allies of both there but it struck me as an interesting omission on the part of the Privateers. Perhaps the list was between war'decs but there is no way of confirming that with any real accuracy.
2) that most people in those alliances (yes I'm in one) should really be able to adjust to dealing with Privateers. It's not really hard after all and you don't need multiple accounts to, you just need, gasp, teamwork. If an alliance is scattered to the four corners of EVE then it's time that alliance’s HC start getting more organized.
One last point: I do still feel that the war'dec system is broken in a way. There should be consequences when you are war dec'ing corps and alliances in such high numbers. Increasing the cost is a possible fix but I doubt that will do a thing. Maybe a neg modifier to the alliance’s standing to Empires that have pos standings to the dec'd corps/alliances? Would be interesting but I doubt CCP would be willing to make anything like war dec's have actual consequences.
Anyway, nice list and thanks for putting the effort into it.
Peace.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Paul Castrin
1) noticeably lacking from the above list are any true PvP only alliances or merc outfits. I find this especially interesting in that the two most powerful PvP alliances are not in that list, namely MC and BoB. That is not to say there aren't other allies of both there but it struck me as an interesting omission on the part of the Privateers. Perhaps the list was between war'decs but there is no way of confirming that with any real accuracy.
We have deced both the people you have mentioned above more then once. We do rotate decs regualaly. The ommision of a BoB dec at the moment I always thought was an ommision on the part of the coalition leadership tbh who arnt taking advanatage of our service. However, I chcecked again and seems someone has paid us to dec them as of this post.
We have decced many widley regarded 'pure pvp' outfits, though it seems eveyone has a different opinion over who this term applys to.
Anyhows Cheers for your point
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Infinity MKII
Originally by: Lucky Lynn OMG!. I remember the days when Infinity Ziona was given so much s**t on these forums, flamed and accused of whining.
I also remember the day when Infinity Ziona announced a plan for a new type of corp and it's sole purpose.
Which if I remember correctly, and I paraphrasing here, was "...if I can't go into 0.0 without being blobbed then the blobbers are not coming into empire."
And it worked. If I remember correctly Infinity Ziona's corp war dec'd the biggest alliances (including BoB).
But it wasn't enough. Nope not at all. Why? Because there is a cap on the amount of active war decs a corp is allowed to have. So spawned the alliance.
NOW i think it is absolutely hilarious, how many people are actually whining about that inspirational IDEA.
Funnily enough I have two characters in two different alliances who are actively war dec'd by the Privateers. DO YOU HEAR ME WHINING!? NO YOU DON'T. SO STFU. I have lost numerous ships to the privateers.
In ending all I have to say is congrats Infinity.
Thanks m8. Im still hanging around lurking occasionally. I think it was this thread Linkage and from another by Eilie who wrote "Infinity Ziona, you always make such funny suggestions... If you want to annoy someone in empire who killed you in 0.0, than just declare war!".
So really Privateers alliance is just doing what was suggested, people should be more careful what they wish for or suggest maybe cause it may just come true
If this is you dude - nice to see your still following up with what you started :) Hope all is cool
SKUNK
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.
Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Kruel If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.
Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?
Actually many corps surrender every day. It's the ones that don't who come here and whine.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Kruel If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.
Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?
Actually many corps surrender every day. It's the ones that don't who come here and whine.
What do you get from them?
Do you make any ridiculous requests? Like 5000 exotic dancers maybe?
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Gort
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:32:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix Borrowing a WoW phrase, L2P n00bs. Solutions 1) Move in gangs. 2) Join a corp who isn't dec'd. 3) Make a hauler alt. 4) Stay out of empire 5) The best reason: SHOOT BACK!
Idea Hamster....
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:45:00 -
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Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Kruel
Originally by: Thread Winner
Originally by: Kruel If you can't handle a war, you can always surrender.
Why doesn't any one take that option anyways?
Actually many corps surrender every day. It's the ones that don't who come here and whine.
What do you get from them?
Do you make any ridiculous requests? Like 5000 exotic dancers maybe?
Sure... exotic dancers, minmatard slaves, human livestock of all kinds for entertainment and consumption.
Actually I haven't a clue what the Alliance gets from corps that surrender. I just see the messages from Concord in the Alliance mailbox every day about so and so corp surrendering.
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel I just see the messages from Concord in the Alliance mailbox every day about so and so corp surrendering.
These messages are automatically generated when a corp leaves an alliance that we have wardec'd. Basically when a corp leaves an alliance it is automatically wardec'd as a corporation, but then it automatically surrenders. This means we still have 24 hours of pew pew before they are safe. Or we choose to wardec the individual corp, which is very unlikely.
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:01:00 -
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Putting my tongue firmly in my cheek...
I note that BoB is not on the Privateers hit list, they must be BoB Alts... (Now the other half of the players will hate you)
I am a care bear, I do not like PvP more so non consensual, so I consent by logging on and leaving the station...
I am guessing that there are enough different players in the Privateers at any given time that only us care bears are not represented...
Take this thread, we have a list of Noob Gankers, Shuttle Podders, Scanner Gods, and the top of the list.. the "I can't be bothered with 0.0" from a guy in the corp that is said to have made Empire 0.0 space...
I need to make myself an alt to post here with, I think I will name him "Hamfast's Posting Alt"... think anyone will know it's me?
Concord is just like the police, they only show up after the crime...
Empire with all the wardecs is not like 0.0 or lowsec space, I only have to worry about suicide Gangers and those that Wardec me in Empire, I have to worry about everyone in Lowsec and 0.0...
Ok, go back to your reading and I will go back to work.
Noob in training...
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Ki An
Gallente The Really Awesome Players
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Posted - 2007.04.09 22:33:00 -
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The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.
Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?
/Ki
Remember, kids: Beware: I'm a "viscous pirate"! |
Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:05:00 -
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Originally by: Ki An The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.
Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?
/Ki
In an attempt to use real life... The USA (us, the good guys, Growers of Corn...) have an embargo against Cuba (Evil nasty commie bastages) so the Cubans buy from the French, who buy from us... there you go, a real life alt...
Alts are part of the game, like Jet-Cans and War Decs... that some may not like the way they are used means nothing, as long as they are used within the rules as set by CCP.
Noob in training...
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hamfast
Originally by: Ki An The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.
Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?
/Ki
In an attempt to use real life... The USA (us, the good guys, Growers of Corn...) have an embargo against Cuba (Evil nasty commie bastages) so the Cubans buy from the French, who buy from us... there you go, a real life alt...
Alts are part of the game, like Jet-Cans and War Decs... that some may not like the way they are used means nothing, as long as they are used within the rules as set by CCP.
RL POLITICS ALERT!
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H Zub
Captain Morgan Society Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 18:01:00 -
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http://www.whine-online.com |
Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.10 19:09:00 -
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Originally by: H Zub http://www.whine-online.com
Your link disappointed me
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Lucy Light
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Posted - 2007.04.10 19:56:00 -
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Edited by: Lucy Light on 10/04/2007 19:53:35 i say gg to privateers
making travelling through empire way more interesting
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.10 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Light Edited by: Lucy Light on 10/04/2007 19:53:35 i say gg to privateers
making travelling through empire way more interesting
And the Unoriginal Post of the Day goes to...
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Spaceman Jack
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Posted - 2007.04.11 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Corporate Stooge
Originally by: Spaceman Jack
Originally by: Azerrad InExile Or you could... fight back maybe?
Well, I never said that I did not.
I (my main) have quite often made good target practice of the Privateers, we have had some good battles.
However...
For ONE, that is not ALL i want to do ALL of the time when I am on EVE. And that is what this system turns it into.
I WOULD, at times like to be able to enjoy the other aspects of the game wihout interferrence from this overkill war spam. I thought this is what we had 0.0 and other professions for.
EVE boasts itself on diversity and how you are never locked to any one profession or play style.. well guess what? Now the style has been locked. By the Privateers OWN claim, their experiment has made empire JUST like 0.0, so where is the diversity in that? Its all the same now.
TWO, fighting back gets me nowhere. What, just to get a few kills... woop dee dooooo!
Id rather be spending that effort with my mates in 0.0 for some actual cause and effect. The Privateers have brilliantly formed themselved and they are an idea. They are arbitrary and are willing to sacrifice funds for their.. efforts. Good for them, but far me it is not an interesting enemy, just a hassle to deal with. Its like a shooting gallery with no real feel to it and feels unimmersive.
But that is just me.
QFT
HUH.. LO.. wow.. that was amazing
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MasterEnt
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Posted - 2007.04.11 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: MasterEnt on 11/04/2007 01:06:57
Originally by: Hamfast
Originally by: Ki An The economic warfare with refusal of sales idea is actually a pretty darn good one. I would love for this to be implemented. The problem, as already mentioned, is alts. Seems alts are a problem in quite a lot of issues lately. I for one don't like when people can't be held accountable for their actions, and so alt is generally a bad thing imo.
Perhaps it's time to limit accounts to one character? Would solve a lot of problems, and not cause anything that can't be worked around with other means. Am I wrong?
/Ki
In an attempt to use real life... The USA (us, the good guys, Growers of Corn...) have an embargo against Cuba (Evil nasty commie bastages) so the Cubans buy from the French, who buy from us... there you go, a real life alt...
Alts are part of the game, like Jet-Cans and War Decs... that some may not like the way they are used means nothing, as long as they are used within the rules as set by CCP.
Yeah, but we use alts to aviod this silly wardec abuse as well. So in the end its not about avoiding it.. but just making it a bigger pain in the ass to play.
Great game development.
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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Minmatar Sicarri Covenant Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:06:00 -
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Originally by: Lucy Light Edited by: Lucy Light on 10/04/2007 19:53:35 i say gg to privateers
making travelling through empire way more interesting
Hooray, a fan!
Tic Toc Tic Toc , time is ticking ... ~Liz Kali
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Tareen Kashaar
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.11 02:49:00 -
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Quote: 2007.04.10 21:25 Privateer Alliance has declared war on The Star Fraction. After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
Woot! Free, convenient targets! :D
This was my reaction. Looking forward to popping faction fitted Ravens in Amarr all day long, while our war targets hide in their stations or play shuttlemonkey in their stabbed interceptors :)
It's not getting out of hand, it's a brilliant way to get free targets :) --- WTS: Forum Signatures, 30mil a piece. Evemail me!
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Clair Bear
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:04:00 -
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Edited by: Clair Bear on 11/04/2007 06:01:23 NBSI works well enough to deal with alt spies (neutrals) in 0.0. I'd be fine with a system which lets me set significantly higher prices for those not 'blue.'
Yes, newbies are free to sell dirt cheap to people who blow em up. Eventually they'll learn.
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.11 06:07:00 -
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Ok, I officially declare this thread to have reached it's saturation point of ghey. It's done. Anyone who posts after me is to be ridiculed severely.
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Le Skunk
Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.11 07:30:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 11/04/2007 07:27:42
Originally by: Karasuma Akane Hence, they've garnered a reputation (correct or not) for wardecing as many small highsec industrialist/mining/missioning/trading corporations as they can afford, in order to collect easy kills against players who are generally uninterested in or less inclined to engage in PVP combat.
Perhaps if the Privateers reoriented themselves back toward their apparent beginnings, and set themselves up as a scourge against Empire entry from the major 0.0 corporations and alliances, they wouldn't have such a widespread image as griefer-gankers of carebears? (And they'd be going up against others who are ready and willing to battle, as evidenced by their choice to join a nullsec-based corp.)
The wars the privateer alliance sets itself are pretty much always against the biggest alliances (baring a few for smaktalkers/lootthiefs)
However, in an attemp to empower the little man, we also offer our services for cost price war decs. We charge nothing more then the concord war dec. This enables the poor guy ganked on a gate whilst making his first foray into low sec/0.0 to have the last laugh when some corp goes "what youz gonn do boutz it n00b". Well he can have us back him up.
This has of course meant that some people may find some of our wardecs a little questionable form their perspective. But trust me - nearly every one who sets a dec with me has a story: ganked me on a gate, stole my ore, called me a terd, etc. I dont judge them.. just set the dec and off we go.
SKUNK
Originally by: RedFall Ok, I officially declare this thread to have reached it's saturation point of ghey. It's done. Anyone who posts after me is to be ridiculed severely.
Anyone prior to this posting is official bhent
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2007.04.11 07:37:00 -
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Le Skunk,
Some ppl are misusing your system to bring down industrial alliances, lets face it 50M isk is a small price to pay to watch an industrial alliance week after week beeing griefed to extinction.... resorting to meta-gaming , alts etc, is not the solution to this problem, anyway ccp is changing the wardec system, i am waiting to see how this will progress...
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Barbara Nichole
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Posted - 2007.04.11 21:52:00 -
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I'll be flamed for this I'm sure.. but I think that if you dec it should require you to voluntarily give up concord protection across the board during and for up to 2 weeks after the war is concluded. Anyone should be able to shoot at you. Concord has no reason at all to appreciate war decs going on in Empire. Maybe this would at least end some of the frivolous war decs.
Also, I hear complaints about "carebears" leaving after a dec all the time (As if this in not something we see in the real world). What they fail to admit is how many leave in the deccing corp as well; I've seen this trend just as often.
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