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Aasir
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:10:57 -
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Please stop building in null sec, we only wanted you to think you could be self sufficient.
But seriously Nerf the combat capability of the Rorqual fgs are you actually stupid? Leave the yield alone |
Bobb Bobbington
Bros Before Holes The Devils' Rejects
364
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:11:26 -
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For all the people complaining, let me argue CCP's perspective
It's not necessarily about nullsec miners earning too much. There are numerous other long term effects that come with these rorquals. Rorquals can mine way too much ore. This can lead to...
1. Decreased mineral prices. We already see this happening across the board. Eventually rorqual isk/hr may be much closer to normal, but this is a form of powercreep- barges and other mining barges will be greatly nerfed. 2. Easier to get large ships. With lower mineral prices, it would be much easier obtaining battleships and capitals. From a player perspective this may sound awesome, but from a game design perspective it may be unwanted- part of the game is struggling to get forward. 3. Nullsec supercap fleets. Lets say a rorqual can make 300m/hr. I don't know the exact number. It would take 10 rorquals only 6-7 hours to mine 20b- enough for a supercarrier. Since only large alliances can safely field large rorqual fleets, they will become only further entrenched against the "little guy".
This is a signature.
It has a 25m signature.
No it's not a cosmic signature.
Probably.
Btw my corp's recruiting.
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2605
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:15:36 -
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Vald Tegor wrote:eiedu wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:... - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
... Would you share with us why a 32% reduction was chosen as opposed to something like 20%? Is there any math behind it? Yes, there is math behind that! 145% * 68% = 99% The Rorqual was initially announced to have a yield of ~18400 m3 per minute. Someone forgot to put mining augmentor rigs on it, which boosted the yield by 45.475% to 29,226m3 per minute. Reducing it by 32% "cancels out" the rigs and brings it down to 19,873 m3 per minute (~10% discrepancy, probably mining drone spec?) Things tend to need a "nerf" when you tell your economy guys to run a number, then overshoot it by 50%.
This is either an amazing consequence, or the actual reason. Well spotted!
This post was crafted by the wormhole expert of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.
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Kimsemus
Deplorables. ChaosTheory.
164
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:16:51 -
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TigerXtrm wrote:So after this change 2 of the 5 drones will effectively be made useless. However each drone mines about as much as one Exhumer, so that still leaves 3 Exhumers worth of yield. Why are people bitching?
Because 3 exhumers don't cost 10b (conservatively) a year's worth of more training, and being completely exposed while in indie siege mode? Oh and an exhumer doesn't fly, warp, and move like a brick with another brick tied to it?
//edit
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6745620#post6745620
If this guy's math is right then nbd, they should have caught that before release though. |
Retar Aveymone
DJ's Retirement Fund Goonswarm Federation
1056
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:21:49 -
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endless lolling that "our careful analysis and weighing of the factors has determined this is the appropriate nerf to bring this in line to our master plan" is actually "oh right, carry the one...oops" |
Lord Molly
mind games. Suddenly Spaceships.
425
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:35:00 -
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Gutting for everybody who just spent loads on the drones. They will now do less and become cheep. Ouch
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14975
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:42:18 -
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Lord Molly wrote:Gutting for everybody who just spent loads on the drones. They will now do less and become cheep. Ouch
honestly this is why my buddies who mine said "I'll wait till after December to try that" lol.
People who have been dealing with CCP for years know to do it that way... |
prayed chiwanba
House Aratus Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:44:10 -
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If you gona reduce the mining drone by so much you should call them heavy mining drones and seed the bpo on normal mkt,
ccp really we can dock oh no you cant ccp here you go mine away hahaha suckers..... |
Sisi Collins
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:44:49 -
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Making simple math between
Rorq mining fit: 5x excavator drones, 2x t2 capital mining drone augm, 1x t1 capital mining drone augm, mining drone spec 4lvl, capital indi ship 4lvl, NO PANIC button
We will get 40k m3 per 90sec / 444,44 m3 per 1sec Hull+fit cost approximate - 2.6bil (hull)+6.15bil (drones)+0.945bil (rigs)+1.2bil(some random fit) TOTAL - 10.895bil
Hulk fit+BONUS rorq: perfect skills, perfect rorq bonuses with t2 indi core activated implant +3% 3x t2 mining laser upgrades in low slots t2 crystalls
We will get 3282 m3 per 44.3sec / 74.085 m3 per 1sec Hulk Hull+fit cost approximate - 0.328bil Rorq Hull+fit cost approximate - 2.6bil (hull)+0.3bil (rigs) + 0.8bil (fit) TOTAL - 4.028bil
Taking into account math above: BEFORE NERF 1 MINING RORQ = 6x PERFECT HULK (best bonuses) this will be less due to drone movement.
AFTER NERF (-32%) 1 MINING RORQ = 4x PERFECT HULKS (best bonuses) this will be less due drones movement.
I'll take maximum mining from rorq fit. Rigs for mining are most bad idea, but i've took to show math.
So right now mining rorq from point of view of mining - looks like CAPITAL INDUSTRIAL SHIP, mines like hell.
But with nerf (-32%), 5min being flying frag-brick, prices on drones and hull, and without mining rigs (to add more survivability) - rorqual will not be in my eyes - CAPITAL INDUSTRIAL SHIP. RORQUAL will be just 3 hulks and absolutely not worth investment of 11bil into it.
Investment is so ******* risky....
Increasing drop rate of drones components will lower prices on excavator drones in some time, if there is no nerf implemented. With implementation of nerf, prices on excavator drones will drop, because no one will buy them.
I feel sorry for those who invest a lot into rorquals.
If looking into changes from mining perspective:
-20-25% nerf to excavator drones 2-2.5min duration for industrial core +15-20% increase of speed to excavator drones.
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Ezekiel Amann
Stryker Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:50:31 -
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I'm not a miner, but I don't think you should do this. The current system is great for PvP content, and that is all too rare in wormholes as is under the current system. With as slow as the drones fly and then a 32% smack to yield most miners will just say screw it and go do something else. Seriously, I like ganking miners it fun, there will be significantly less of them chewing on rocks if you do this. |
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Schlampa
Bat Country Pandemic Legion
6
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:56:37 -
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Looks like Christmas came early this year. |
Man v Food
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:56:45 -
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nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie
if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt
and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do
gj fozzie wb tosser |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
502
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:57:17 -
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CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks!
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
Cutting their output by an entire third seems excessive and bad for game balance, I suggest if you guys think it's absolutely necessary, cut it down by 5% or somethings. Far more reasonable. |
Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
260
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:59:46 -
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Man v Food wrote:nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie
if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt
and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do
gj fozzie wb tosser Don't shoot the messenger
Sick of High-Sec gankers? Join the public channel Anti-ganking and the dedicated intel channel Gank-Intel !
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2833
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Posted - 2016.12.07 19:59:48 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
What does that even mean?
For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH?
What would it be once adjusted for this nerf?
What about for high sec mining?
Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Allus Nova
44
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:00:02 -
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Dammit Fozzie, if you make them ****** then we will not have Rorquals to blow up in space because nobody will use them!!
With as expensive as they are combined with their siege cycle...they SHOULD be a little OP mining wise. It doesn't matter if you make the drones cheaper with better drop rates, if the Rorqual isn't effective, nobody will use it, so we can't hunt them!!
Please rethink the mining yield nerf...32% is HUGE, and it will discourage many people from using them.
CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks! |
Allus Nova
44
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:01:15 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:Man v Food wrote:nice fozzie is back after his last ****** idea,now another **** up by fozzie
if you think enough time has passed and people have forgotten your completely useless ideas...it has'nt
and on that note you can refund the isk i spent on these **** drones that move slower than my rorqual and now they are going to mine less than a ship that cost 1/4 that they do
gj fozzie wb tosser Don't shoot the messenger
Messengers who are in a position to help shape the discussion are fully culpable. |
Loken Grimsward
Easy Co. Get Off My Lawn
4
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:04:47 -
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Take baby step you wanker. Maybe try 16% and wait a month before you **** everyone in the arse with the nerfbat |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
502
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:05:04 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
What does that even mean? For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH? What would it be once adjusted for this nerf? What about for high sec mining? Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here.
Man, you sure love asking rhetoric questions, do you? |
Philip Shazih
Echelon Research Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:09:57 -
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Since the announcement Mex has jumped up 7%, Pyrite has jumped up 13% and trit has jumped up 7% with the high end ores decreasing slightly in price.
A perfectly normal response. The nerf is already in the process of undoing a lot of itself... Don't overreact... CCP nerfed volume they did NOT nerf income. |
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2833
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:10:32 -
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Owen Levanth wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Owen Levanth wrote:
This sounds like a bad idea. Wasn't the reason for the new Excavators to exist to give NullSec-miners a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners?
What does that even mean? For funsies, what's the paper IPH of a max-yield Rorqual today? How about the realized IPH? What would it be once adjusted for this nerf? What about for high sec mining? Just trying quantify "a better chance at being competitive to HighSec-miners", here. Man, you sure love asking rhetoric questions, do you?
A rhetorical question is asked with no expectation of an answer. I'm actually looking for numbers, here.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
21
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:18:05 -
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Rorquals + their drones are overly expensive because they are so OP, prices will come down very very soon.. like around December 13th or sooner. |
waltari
High Flyers Northern Coalition.
22
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:19:20 -
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posting in a CCP Fozzie's announcement to become spacefamous |
DarkMoon Picard
Space Travellers Administration Yulai Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:23:02 -
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32% is too much of a nerf. I definately won't be mining with industrial core in future since the risk is too high compared to the reward. I will also be a bit away from the rocks and won't be using excavator drones. I simply cloak or jump away if there is a threat. Due to that the fitting will be a lot cheaper. Since i wont be using the indu core, the miners can swap back to hulks instead of skiffs to compensate the lower yield.
It would've been a better decision to simply disallow the use of the indnustrial core if there is already an industrial core running in the system. This makes multiboxing impossible (at least within the same system).
Nullsec mining dropped to near null in most regions already. This nerf takes away the risk/reward that you wanted to add and also takes away the juicy targets for the PvP people. I guess its time to swap from mining to carrier ratting or to incursions. |
Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
21
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:27:18 -
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DarkMoon Picard wrote:32% is too much of a nerf. I definately won't be mining with industrial core in future since the risk is too high compared to the reward. I will also be a bit away from the rocks and won't be using excavator drones. I simply cloak or jump away if there is a threat. Due to that the fitting will be a lot cheaper. Since i wont be using the indu core, the miners can swap back to hulks instead of skiffs to compensate the lower yield.
It would've been a better decision to simply disallow the use of the indnustrial core if there is already an industrial core running in the system. This makes multiboxing impossible (at least within the same system).
Nullsec mining dropped to near null in most regions already. This nerf takes away the risk/reward that you wanted to add and also takes away the juicy targets for the PvP people. I guess its time to swap from mining to carrier ratting or to incursions.
OMG IMAGINE THE MINING DRAMA
Only 1 Industrial or Panic module active per system.
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Rexxen Darkbrew
Hounds Of Haides RAZOR Alliance
4
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:31:26 -
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Allus Nova wrote:Dammit Fozzie, if you make them ****** then we will not have Rorquals to blow up in space because nobody will use them!! With as expensive as they are combined with their siege cycle...they SHOULD be a little OP mining wise. It doesn't matter if you make the drones cheaper with better drop rates, if the Rorqual isn't effective, nobody will use it, so we can't hunt them!! Please rethink the mining yield nerf...32% is HUGE, and it will discourage many people from using them. CCP Fozzie wrote:Hey everyone. We've been keeping a close eye on how people are using the newly rebalanced Rorquals and it's been really exciting watching how well people have taken to the new gameplay. We have decided that we need to make a tweak in our December release next Tuesday to adjust the balance of mining Rorquals and keep the mining economy in a healthy place. We are planning two connected changes in this release: - Reducing the mining yield of 'Excavator' Mining Drones by 32%
- Increasing the drop rates of the Elite Drone AI and Drone Coronary Unit rogue drone components
We are continuing to keep an eye on all aspects of gameplay around the mining foreman ships. I know some players are hoping that we would make adjustments to other areas of Rorqual gameplay (such as ewar use while the PANIC module is running) but we feel comfortable leaving those aspects alone for now and continuing to observe how the metagame evolves. We of course reserve the right to make more changes to this or any other aspects of the Rorqual in upcoming patches to keep the ecosystem in balance. Thanks!
Very well put... Not to mention the fun and logistics and team play that is now required to successfully mine..Just the other day 3 nyx's and a couple sabre's dropped on on a 3 rorq operation ,,,all Rorq's killed. Yah alot less Rorq's to hunt come Dec 13th.
Anyways there are people that came back to the game just because of the new mining implements to the Rorq .Which made it much more useful and fun . So all in all now it's "The big mining changes of Novmber" was just a giant hi-secboost with the Orca's huge new ore hold..Much less reason for people to venture into null and take there chances in industry.
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Market PLLS
Pleasure and Logistics Badfellas Inc.
0
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:32:03 -
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https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/
Nice rebalance ... |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2835
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:35:26 -
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Market PLLS wrote:https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/
Nice rebalance ...
You couldn't possibly present a less relevant point.
Some Rorquals died. So the **** what?
How many didn't die? What's the net mining intake Vs. loss?
What's the average loss-per-flight-hour of Rorquals?
Oh, wait. You can't answer any of that because all you know is that some Rorquals died, which, absent any further context, tells you that Rorquals are being flown and little else.
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Eye-Luv-Girls wDaddyIssues
Hookers N' Blow
21
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:41:27 -
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Market PLLS wrote:https://zkillboard.com/ship/28352/losses/
Nice rebalance ...
LOL https://zkillboard.com/kill/57961572/
to that specific one. You forgot to point it out. |
penifSMASH
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
466
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Posted - 2016.12.07 20:43:33 -
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these tears... so epic... they fuel me.. |
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