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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:19:26 -
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So I would also accept this gameplay being NOVA part. Just a thing that would bring together two communities into one.
Maybe NOVA with social module where you can import character from EVE and use it as clone for personal vendettas. Maybe even some PvE with rogue drones. Where tacticians could come together and debate around a table with galaxy map, in their own citadel on planet surface or around orbit. Killing time together with minigames and gambling while vulnerability window ticks out.
I wonder how difficult it would be to make NOVA a part of EVE in that sense, that you coulld use CQ and past door there would be this NOVA part. Downloaded independently, but doors bringing it together.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:20:31 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:We should look at mainstream in EVE as a way to scam new people out of their money by CCP. Basically you have a game with a lot of depth and originality, but you stack on top some avatar microtransactions, avatar stuff, avatar play, dont change anything spaceship wise (beside updates like always for it) and call it expanding universe, evolution for those who still prefer not seeing ever their avatar body. Integrate with NOVA. Those who still are around can shoot Jita a second time. I am willing to take that risk. I agree, actually, but not as part of the EVE client. Did you ever play Sim City 2000? There was another game they made called Sim Copter that could be played as a stand-alone game where you'd fly a helicopter around SimCities, but you could also 'link' it to SC2000 so you could fly around in the cities you built yourself. You didn't need simcopter to play and experience simcity, though, it was an optional extra. I actually support ambulation, but I don't want it bloating my client any more than it already does. I refuse to download it, completely, because I'll never use it. That's space on my hard drive which I don't want to burn on something I'll never use. But I do support its development, if for no other reason than to get people to stop whining about WiS already, but it needs to be an optional extra that can interact with EVE on some unnecessary level, and not part of the existing client that people are required to use to get things done in EVE that they've always been able to do without it.
I don't want CCP to waste time on it, optional or not.
But i'll admit that I also do kind fo want to see CCP revisit it, so that when it's out and all the people who begged for it don't use it (because it's plum stupid to walk to talk to your agent when you can click a button and do the same thing in a fraction of the time) I can utter the classical phrase "what did i tell you" lol.. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:24:30 -
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You really can't say ambulation in a space game is pointless when other space games are pretty much grounded in avatar gameplay. You also can't have a group of people as big as the monument shooter collective and believe a meaningful portion of them have done anything creative in their lives or have any expertise in what's fun. That you play EVE at all is a mark against you.
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Mina Sebiestar
Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate
1099
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:33:59 -
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Interesting news would like to see it sold current ppl in charge gone as in fired devs more or less kept and engine rewritten(multi cpu multi gpu support).
But more to the reality if it get sold its straight to the cash shop I'm afraid, was wrongoing before though glad I did.
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:02:07 -
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guys, just RELAX! it wont shut down! |
Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:05:50 -
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why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:22:06 -
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Rain6637 wrote:why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down
Everything ends.
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DaReaper
Net 7 Cannon.Fodder
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:29:55 -
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TL;DR
My guess at this point, and i prolly posted this before, is some of not not all of the Venture Capitalist that own ccp are looking to dump there shares. This is pretty normal, as that what Venture Capitalist do, they buy companies, to help them, when they make a profit, they dump the company and move on.
Anyone could buy, from another VC that wants to invest in VR, to a gaming company like EA that wants the New Eden ip.
And if this is happing, ccp technically has about 5 owners (i think) so for all we know, one might be shopping to get out. we just dunno. and a sale, most likley, won;t change much at ccp. but who knows.
basicly relax, and we will see what happens
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:35:42 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Rain6637 wrote:why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down Everything ends. That's quaint, but now that Windows 10 is supposedly the last version of Windows and will be maintained with updates forevermore, keeping the client stable is more or less solved. It might not become anything more than what it's been without some major changes, but at the least you can keep it running.
The biggest shame is the timeline of the last five years in space games. EVE didn't cause the spawn of these other games, but sometimes when you don't do something, it creates the niche so someone else can do it.
Ambulation dev and World of Darkness dev wasn't going as smooth as possible (understatement), but it was coming along. I mention WoD because that's the group of people where ambulation dev came from, and it's where we got CQ. You have to recognize that. You simply don't grow the expertise to do that sort of thing in-house overnight.
So then in 2011 the monument shooting thing happens. [Skipping ahead through the travesties that affected good professionals in the gaming industry] The next year, Chris Roberts starts giving interviews about this game he's thinking of doing, and he even pokes fun at EVE by saying it won't involve "imagine (tm)."
And then there is a reboot of Elite. And then HMDs happen. Graphics cards are twice as fast now and those 3D experiences are more deliverable than ever. EVE could have been at the start of dismounted / avatar space gameplay but no, you have people who sexually identify as spaceships or some **** who want to keep EVE what it is
There's a formula to things like movies and games. You present the player with something identifiable, like the image of a human being. How many games can you think of (that last longer than an ipad app like candy crush) where you aren't grounded in the game as a human character? Or even a human-like character
You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.
There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.
Help, I can't download EVE
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Syn Shi
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:36:02 -
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CCP needs to make their money asap. They have had a good 10+ yrs.
Whoever buys Eve will be looking to make as much money as possible.
Eve will not remain the game it is, that is for sure. |
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:38:20 -
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All such change in ownership involves loss of confidence by the market, insecurity among employees and persons utilizing the companies services. There is no way of knowing what the next owners will do.
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:10:04 -
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I dont really get the point why you bury the game without knowing a ****..... Seriously i have a feeling that you actually WANT it to be shut down....
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:43:42 -
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"I am up for a part in Cats on Broadway. Oh I cannot dance well and am old with bad knees and haven't auditioned but if they offer me the part I am up for it."
Them looking at investors and discussing a sale is not the end of Eve. Hell, it might just be rumour mill to try to squeeze some tax breaks out of the local government.
I don't panic on rumours and what if so-and-so buys the game because it is more a waste of my time than me going out and buying cat ears (I gots my own!) I will keep driving the Bus and helping the new players until whoever owns the game throws/drives me out or I run out of assets to do so.
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:04:09 -
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Rain6637 wrote:...You also can't have a group of people as big as the monument shooter collective and believe a meaningful portion of them have done anything creative in their lives or have any expertise in what's fun. That you play EVE at all is a mark against you.
wait... That doesn't sound like the sort of thing you said in the past, iirc...either I'm wrong or you've gone cynically bitter...
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:16:32 -
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what? I've always been critical of that whole thing. Like that Fanfest video that had Sindel Pellion talking about how they participated in the monument shoot like it was something to be proud of. It's appalling.
I guess there have been changes in my plans that maybe alters the context, like how I'm studying 3D animation and game design right now, and seriously looking at what type of industry I want to enter. (It's gaming design in name but it's the same core skills as a lot of different 3D disciplines).
I like EVE as a player but if you want to talk about what's happened in terms of the company and development (like we are doing right now) I basically don't want to go anywhere near it. OR game development, it's a meatgrinder not made any better by players who get upset about a profit motive.
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John 2557
SC-2557
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:20:39 -
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it's really doesn't matter who own it, after all only thing matters is if you still have fun play the game. If sale the company makes the game even better why not. |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:45:26 -
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More often than not, its bad.
This is not good news for us as end product consumers of just one of CCPs products/services.
Change in ownership rarely happens without new owners making changes.
The new owners have their own interests and ideas, and adjusting to them takes time, effort and cost.
I believe the report is legiit, albeit unconfirmed. I am not optimistic about the potential results.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:50:32 -
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Come on buddy. That's purely fear of change.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:55:04 -
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There's a case like Dreamworks where it was acquired by NBCUniversal and 200 were let go from corporate because they became redundant. Larger company has corporate management in place etc. So I guess it depends on the type of entity looking to acquire a game IP. Investor versus a games company conglomerate like ZeniMax who might already have some of the relevant infrastructure in place.
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Zao Elongur
Porphyr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.15 22:27:57 -
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Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong.
What is EASY cannot be REWARDING.
See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png
Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements.
Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.12.16 09:45:34 -
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Zao Elongur wrote:Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong. What is EASY cannot be REWARDING. See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements. Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction "Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid"
You may be correct. I was hardcore exploration back before SoE ships and exploration sites outside of wormholes were still combat sites. Then they made exploration super easy with sites galore and instead of facing unknown challenges and outcomes it's just another aspect of EZ-GrindGäó. I used to survive alone wandering WHs and nullsec on my own running sites solo (or attempting to - they could be pretty harsh) and making it back into highsec with loot felt like an achievement.
Now I feel like I'd rather slam my willie in the door before I do exploration.
Making stuff easier does NOT make it better, nor more attractive. For a time I was part of the "Vanilla WoW" movement (though not intended to play it, just support it) there were more people wanting to play that than there are Eve subs before Blizzard killed it.
Hence the irony of Eve looking it's best, never having had a better variety of ships than ever before, having the best character customization than ever before, and the biggest battles than ever before, better training options and dealing with SP, player owned "stations" (Citadels), no cost clones, and F2P. All that, but there is no return to the golden age that for all variable opinions observed thus far, appears to have been the period of 2007 to early 2011.
There are problems with the community and direction of the game that all the skins and tiericide in the world won't fix.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
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Posted - 2016.12.16 10:04:28 -
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It's all about VR not EvE sandbox. On the other hand release plan was postponed, and nothing in near future. It will be hot January I presume.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:13:23 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:"I am up for a part in Cats on Broadway. Oh I cannot dance well and am old with bad knees and haven't auditioned but if they offer me the part I am up for it."
Them looking at investors and discussing a sale is not the end of Eve. Hell, it might just be rumour mill to try to squeeze some tax breaks out of the local government.
I don't panic on rumours and what if so-and-so buys the game because it is more a waste of my time than me going out and buying cat ears (I gots my own!) I will keep driving the Bus and helping the new players until whoever owns the game throws/drives me out or I run out of assets to do so.
m
I bet you'd look pretty cute with a set of cat ears
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:15:53 -
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Malcanis wrote:
I bet you'd look pretty cute with a set of cat ears
/me frantically searches EvE central and NES.
Where?!
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Kiera Oramara
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.18 06:15:12 -
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WTF CCP
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
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Posted - 2016.12.18 08:14:41 -
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Every business is always for sale.
Why would someone want CCP?
1. Someone wants CCP customers. 2. Someone wants CCP technology. 3. Someone wants CCP people.
Virtual reality might be the cornerstone of interest in CCP, rather than a specific interest in EVE. I imagine investors are more willing to splash cash on new tech, rather than a ten year old game. Not sure if EVE alone has the possibility of turning 900 million into a 4-5 billion return.
If something other than EVE is the focus of the purchase then perhaps we have some cause for concern, but in all probability EVE will be fine.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.18 08:51:20 -
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the why comes down to money, that's totally obvious. The difference is "who." There are groups who want to be good stewards and there are others who operate like world eaters.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Signal Cartel
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Posted - 2016.12.18 09:05:42 -
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Rain6637 wrote:
You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.
There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.
Way to go, insult us. Now the funny thing about those games where you play an avatar* is that most of the time you're only looking at the back of their heads. Now the real problem, as I see it, with avatar gameplay is that unless you're going entirely freeform sandbox, you've got to have a lot of PVE in the form of, well, quests. Thus a lot of development time taken away from the present core of this game.
*including but not limited to humans, plant creatures, rock creatures, mechanicals, zombies, and of course, FURRIES. |
Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2016.12.18 09:16:59 -
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Investing?
Someone who pays such money, would like return on investment. I wonder how much CCP can return. (They stopped publishing the reports.) What I remember whole WoD development was worth 30M they had to basically throw out.
Returns, in a timespan of 20 years it would be 45M per year? Just to return them 900M from 2016? I cant imagine that. Even cutting development costs. What are they thinking? CCP making software for VR market exclusively, and counting on VR hardware boom? I dont see that happening.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.12.18 10:29:11 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well.
Ferraris don't cost the same as a mainstream street car. Last time I checked, CCP was earning about 190 dollars per customer and year; it's very likely that now that amount is higher, but nonetheless EVE is priced as mainstream.
If you have a mainstream price tag, you better achieve a mainstream customer base to keep your profits. And if you reject a mainstream customer base, then either charge premium price or cut down development cost to below mainstream (CCP is known for paying quite below industry standards, btw) and keep cutting down as money dries out... which is what's going to happen in the next years. That's why I foresee EVE going into maintenance mode in 3 or 4 years, but fear not: it will never be mainstream and it will never charge you for the privilege of driving away all those silly wannabe mainstreamers.
(Because you like your Ferrari game but will not pay 20 dollars per month and account, will you?) |
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