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Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.11 09:45:48 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:So much ridiculous fearmongering in this thread. The article states that the investors who got in on the ground floor of Valkyrie for $30m and now it's worth $300m. Guessing that the stock on Eve Online is at an all time high and they are looking to get investors in to do some serious development to Eve and that would be fun to speculate about. I don't think CCP is publicly traded so it's all pink slips (Trade Hub ISK doubling)
Obviously the owners and devs of CCP know how this childish community reacts at things! Go shoot a statue!
^this, lulu made a point in a thread I brought this very same subject up in. Then I stopped to take a look at the amount of people actually signed into the game when I logged in.
With alphas included, there are anywhere between 20-30k players online at any moment depending on peak times. I don't know the statistics of how many alpha accounts currently take up what percentage of the population.
Having said that, with the plex situation (players buying and selling on the market to the older veteran crowd that has more ISK than they know what to do with) there seems to be a constant influx of capital coming into the game at any one time.
After doing just a bit of speculating, I'd have to say the game isn't going anywhere at the moment and for some time to come . Keep in mind it's just conjecture I'm offering up. Even alpha accounts could get lucky, pop an omega pilots transport and run off with a plex. That's still paid for content to ccp. Any plex purchase that ends up in the hands of veterans in the outer reaches of null, still provide for a supply and demand situation.
There's enough of an economy here that I really doubt it's going to be sold. I should have thought about it in the post I made.
Like lulu said before, enjoy the game while it's still here, do what you're wanting to do with it now. |
Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2017.01.11 20:57:57 -
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Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:For now its "people said, considering"
And I would want them to be bought by someone who have a lot of $ and see potential in WIS. The potential for walking in stations is ZERO. When you start giving people a reason to stay docked then they stop undocking. When they stop undocking, they stop generating content. Sure you can generate content in stations, but this is a space game. People play it because it takes place in space. If we wanted to play a sci fi spacey game that takes place with a walking avatar we would just play HALO or some such. Quote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... I would stop playing. They are one of the most corrupt game companies on the planet and they dont have a clue on how to make a decent game. Their games are more like interactive movies.
Prediction.
It's Activision Blizzard in the talks and they are going to contract King to make a mobile version of EVE where you never have to leave station ever again.
But to be fair at least we will be able to set our skills from phone app.
Looking to talk on VOIP with other EVE players? Are you new and need help with EVE (welfare) or looking for advice? Looking for adversarial debate with angry people?
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Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2017.01.11 21:01:29 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:
New owners wouldn't be catastrophic, they want to make money is all.
Well. So did EA with Ultimate Online.
But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it.
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Akane Togenada
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.01.11 21:07:33 -
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Captain Tardbar wrote:But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it.
More like feeling of sadness since such a move would destroy the Game. It would also remove EVE:s one unique feature which is the Sinlge Shard Universe where everyone plays a part in the grand scheme of things.
Note that I'm a new player who's mainly into the PvE aspect of the game but I still realize that the move you hope for would spell doom for the entire franchise. |
Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1183
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:47:43 -
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Akane Togenada wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it. More like feeling of sadness since such a move would destroy the Game. It would also remove EVE:s one unique feature which is the Sinlge Shard Universe where everyone plays a part in the grand scheme of things. Note that I'm a new player who's mainly into the PvE aspect of the game but I still realize that the move you hope for would spell doom for the entire franchise.
I don't care about non-consensual pvp either way.
I just thing trolling thousands of players and crushing their hopes and dreams would be worth losing a viable game.
You have to be meta about this.
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Hallvardr
101
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Posted - 2017.01.12 16:43:09 -
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not the only post on this subject.
Like others, I'm on the edge of loosing interest. If it gets sold, I won't be sticking around for a long, slow, painful death. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34796
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Posted - 2017.01.12 16:44:45 -
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Bloomberg, eh
If it's not on Buzzfeed it ain't real news
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4810
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Posted - 2017.01.12 21:07:06 -
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Novator Partners LLP General Catalyst Partners LLC New Enterprise Associates Inc. Those are some great names, they sound like they could be cryptic entities in a dystopian sci-fi story. Think CCP would ban me if I used one for an Eve corp name?
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8184
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:28:12 -
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Khergit Deserters wrote:Novator Partners LLP General Catalyst Partners LLC New Enterprise Associates Inc. Those are some great names, they sound like they could be cryptic entities in a dystopian sci-fi story. Think CCP would ban me if I used one for an Eve corp name?
Maybe under the "impersonation" rule. Who knows.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
389
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:39:35 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Every business is always for sale, and every business owner has an exit plan. Even if it's not a conscious plan, but more a stumbling along into shambolic chaos plan. Any business wanting to own EVE would do it for the prospect of more money. That they can see some opportunity that CCP hasn't. There's probably a few things like that, aside from the usual plug in some sort of online gambling. The move to Alpha is probably part of this sale process, boost the numbers a bit and all that good stuff, to show prospective new owners. New owners wouldn't be catastrophic, they want to make money is all.
Im sure Westwood and maxis thought the same thing "they just want to make money, they wouldn't close our game" 1 game later: "studios closed"
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Bank of Illumination
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:42:27 -
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Good I hope they bring in devs to clean up **** bags and scammers while insta popping Code scum entering highsec. |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2515
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:24:26 -
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Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)
Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:
1. Boosting HP on industrials. 2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs. 3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic. 4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances) 5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality. 6. AFK cloaking
Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24099
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:27:22 -
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There was also some thread about CCP selling to Microsoft few years ago, so its like a recurring theme.
http://eve-search.com/thread/612513-0/page/1 Thread from 2007
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2515
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:39:58 -
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Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24100
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Posted - 2017.01.13 09:48:39 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though. Just different friends I suppose. News site doesnt legitimize anything when its still that friend.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.13 21:07:43 -
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SELL THE DEAD HORSE already.
I can see a pvp free carebear only server.....weeee, dances about in her pink lace panties and bra.
Tears would flow from all the bloated vets with nothing to do but complain even more.... |
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:43:40 -
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Infinity Ziona wrote:Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)
Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:
1. Boosting HP on industrials. 2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs. 3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic. 4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances) 5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality. 6. AFK cloaking
Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)
This
There's gonna be some prime salt for years onwards
"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
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Kei Saito
The Phoenix Reborn The Explicit Alliance
0
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Posted - 2017.01.24 08:37:06 -
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If this happens I really hope this doesn't turn out like star wars galaxies. "Great niche but they want to expand so wow clone" |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24650
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Posted - 2017.01.24 09:09:33 -
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WoW is only one, usurping its role and position in case of EVE would be like shooting a rocket under yourself to move faster.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Digits Kho
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2017.01.24 21:40:34 -
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Speakin of EA, does this guy still work at ccp? Link |
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
65
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:06:47 -
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It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.
The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.
I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?
If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.
Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land. I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.
Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8200
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:45:26 -
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I still think the MMO part of the Eve brand is going to be the dinosaur in the room. It's already gone "Freemium".
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24882
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:59:06 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth. As much as someone is willing to give. Not much in my oppinion. For sure not as much as the numbers that fly in those news. They are ridiculous. But then, when they want to sell, they will obviously throw as much as their business, greedy finance guy is able to escape with, without being accused of a mental health problem.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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King Aires
POS Party Ember Sands
196
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:29:05 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.
The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.
I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?
If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.
Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land. I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.
Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking.
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5233
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:52:33 -
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[tinfoil]
The development cycle has slowed to a crawl and CCP has missed numerous release dates for relatively simple features (SKINs anyone?) Why? Due dilligence and everyone is most likely interviewing with the prospective new buyer.
Big announcement at FanFest 2017: We're sold!
[/tinfoil]
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24883
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:59:44 -
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King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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King Aires
POS Party Ember Sands
196
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:19:08 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.
It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation.
Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs.
Edit: Ok, the PlayVR is selling like crap. They wanted to have 2.6m units sold in 2016 and they barely broke half a mil. Oculus was anticipating 350k sold and fell short. At least according to Gamestop.
I know everyone with Oculus got Valk, but the PS guys would have to shell out another 45usd for that, and I bet not all did. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24883
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:21:57 -
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King Aires wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also. It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation. Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs. They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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King Aires
POS Party Ember Sands
196
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:24:11 -
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Nana Skalski wrote: They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5486
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Posted - 2017.01.29 15:26:04 -
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King Aires wrote:Nana Skalski wrote: They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.
Well, Valkyrie was developed for real cheap. The core was an after hours project by a bunch of developers, and when it was greenlighted for full production, it got a 14 men team in Newcastle. I would venture development for Valkyrie it's below the 2 million $, including Hollywood voice acting.
The 30 million loan was to develop future porjects, and the value of those projects is what really matters since if VR fails, those projects and thus the 30 millon and CCP will be worth a lot less than currently.
What's true is that VR numbers are bad and they could be in a vicious circle. Who's gonna spend money developing a AAA game for a pool of just 700,000 Sony VR devices? And who's gonna buy a VR set to play the kind of game you can develop when you expect single digit million $ in return? |
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