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slphy vansyl
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:00:55 -
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hi just see this: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-09/eve-online-owners-said-to-weigh-game-maker-sale-after-approaches
EVE seems to be on sale! best time to chris robert to save its game :) o/ |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8270
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:04:27 -
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Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Soel Reit
Dambusters 617 Sq
293
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:18:34 -
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ayyyyyyyy lmao time to uninstall, leeet's gooooooo |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21967
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:26:36 -
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What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:35:53 -
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Wow that sucks :/
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Don Pera Saissore
121
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:44:53 -
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take the money and run |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18236
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:49:04 -
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"CCP" haven't owned CCP for a long time. The company has been majority owned by private investors for years.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4655
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:51:34 -
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Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...
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dhunpael
59
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Posted - 2016.12.09 11:58:16 -
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Would be interesting to get an answer from the devs |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21967
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:01:04 -
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For now its "people said, considering"
And I would want them to be bought by someone who have a lot of $ and see potential in WIS.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3771
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:02:19 -
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Malcanis wrote:"CCP" haven't owned CCP for a long time. The company has been majority owned by private investors for years.
didnt they buy back all the shares a while ago?
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Anthar Thebess
1660
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:21:20 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE
Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8272
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:31:17 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.
I didn't say I had a say about who ran EVE. I said I wouldn't play it if it was anyone but CCP. Lrn2read, nub.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19549
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:35:05 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Malcanis wrote:"CCP" haven't owned CCP for a long time. The company has been majority owned by private investors for years. didnt they buy back all the shares a while ago? No, they took the company off the exchange. They're in a much stronger position than they were then (or at least it seems so from here) Put the torches and pitchforks away lads, nothing to freak out about yet.
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Dahlia Samar
Maniacal Miners INC LEEKSWARM FEDERATION
21
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:35:24 -
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I, for one, welcome our EA overlords
*nervous whistling* |
Maximus Bullet
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.12.09 12:51:58 -
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An someone send me 1000 million isk now? |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1111
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:28:22 -
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As long as it isn't "some other part of the company screwed up and so we are gonna fire 10% of your staff" Warner Borthers ... |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21972
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:38:48 -
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So who do you prefer to buy CCP?
Maybe we could get something positive from it?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
15733
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:40:00 -
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Relax,it's only me
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
423
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Posted - 2016.12.09 13:57:41 -
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Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else.
A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles.
"As long as space endures,
as long as sentient beings exist,
until then, may I too remain
and dispel the miseries of the world."
~ Vremaja Idama
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mkint
1293
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:01:10 -
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Nomistrav wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else. A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles. Conspiracy theory time: the only point of Alphas was to triple the company's market valuation in less than 1 year.
I bet most of you never cared that CCP had venture capital money before today. At worst, nothing worse will happen to CCP than what happened to White Wolf. Oh wait.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21981
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:05:36 -
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I want to buy CCP, but dont have enough funds.
Will take every donation in ISK, PLEX, Clothing and generally stuff.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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2Sonas1Cup
173
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:07:19 -
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Maybe now they will finally finish this game and we can actually start playing it for real. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3009
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:09:49 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why?
EA games is pretty much ALWAYS a potential buyer. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21981
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:14:30 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Maybe now they will finally finish this game and we can actually start playing it for real. Finish WiS! \o/
CCP scamming EA? Hmm, they are greedy, could work.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5373
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:15:54 -
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Awww, how cute. When CCP bought an oversize new server, I foresaw F2P. When CCP implemented F2P before sorting out player retention, I foresaw a "make up" operation for EVE (as in putting lipstick on a pig).
Now turns CCP may be for sell after it tripled its value in a year thanks to VR (apparently their investors already recouped the 30 million investment from last year).
It's so cute, that I am smiling. |
2Sonas1Cup
173
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:34:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Maybe now they will finally finish this game and we can actually start playing it for real. Finish WiS! \o/ CCP scamming EA? Hmm, they are greedy, could work.
Open the god dam door once and for all Jesus.
Honestly super excited and hyped about the fact we are getting rid of the current owners, wasn't happy with the direction of this game anyway, hopefully the new owners can shed some new and fresh light to make eve great again.
Ps: Sell the god dam game already please, and let competent people take over, thanks. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
843
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:35:04 -
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I'll just hit the back button on this one.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10335
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:43:30 -
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All the power to them if they decide to sell it for a decent price while it's peaking. That's capitalism and I respect there savvy business acumen.
But that's all moot.
The only important question is "Who's going to be running it if it's sold?"
If the current devs stick around (as is common in corporate takeovers, sales and mergers), then nothing changes as far as the players - read: bitter vets - are concerned. If a new management team comes in and expands the game into it's original ideal of a full Scifi simulator, then the bitter vets will grumble but stick around.
But if it turns into pay-to-play space Farmville...that would be bad.
I guess well just have to wait and see how the dice roll on this one.
Mr Epeen
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
123
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:44:51 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:take the money and run Heard it from a friend who, heard it from a friend who, heard it from another you've been messin aroundddddd |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
21994
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Posted - 2016.12.09 14:48:32 -
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Run? But EVE players are everywhere. They would not escape.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
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Lasisha Mishi
Caldari Strike Witches
115
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:02:17 -
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considering EVE and WoW are 2 long running games
i'd bet activision has all its staff currently looking into how to get in on it.
i don't know if that scares me or not..... |
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1320
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:03:55 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.
nobody cares, the owner sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time
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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1320
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:13:38 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/
nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such..
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
517
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Posted - 2016.12.09 15:19:57 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such..
Just like Daybreak and SOE... no changes at all....
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Dahlia Samar
Maniacal Miners INC LEEKSWARM FEDERATION
21
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Posted - 2016.12.09 16:00:26 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such..
Must be why so many developers acquired by EA went on to do bigger and better projects
oh wait... |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8279
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Posted - 2016.12.09 16:14:47 -
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Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such..
And it could lead to a whole lot of people who boycott EA leaving the game, because I'll be damned if they get a cent from me for anything ever again. EA don't make games, they make candy. It's got no nutrition to it whatsoever, it just tastes good and gives you enough energy to run around in circles for an hour before you pass out from sugar overload.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Memphis Baas
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Posted - 2016.12.09 16:15:41 -
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So they've been pushing with the monthly expansion schedule, and they've implemented a whole slew of new features, with the game being arguably better and more interesting than in the past. To me this indicates that the devs are really interested in the game and motivated to put effort into creating new stuff and making the game succeed.
The past couple years haven't been tricks to drum up subscriptions or create false appearances, they've been full of genuine improvements to the game. Genuine :effort:. When this happens in a company, it's usually as a result of a top management change that drives everyone to re-focus on the product and making it great. Everybody takes pride in what they've managed to achieve, and everyone is determined to continue to do great work.
So yeah, a lot of investors are starting to put up bids, because EVE is awesome; of course they are. Doesn't really indicate whether CCP will sell. If it were me, hell no I wouldn't sell.
And even if they do, when the product is good, new owners typically want to continue making a profit by improving the product and making it even better. The current team of devs has proven that they can deliver over the past few years; it's very likely that they'll be kept on the team and assigned to continue improving the game.
Taking EVE over to trash it and rip apart the company doesn't make sense to me. So I don't think we have to worry. The game will be even better. |
Roenok Baalnorn
Sadistically Sinister
423
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Posted - 2016.12.09 16:19:32 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:For now its "people said, considering"
And I would want them to be bought by someone who have a lot of $ and see potential in WIS.
The potential for walking in stations is ZERO. When you start giving people a reason to stay docked then they stop undocking. When they stop undocking, they stop generating content. Sure you can generate content in stations, but this is a space game. People play it because it takes place in space.
If we wanted to play a sci fi spacey game that takes place with a walking avatar we would just play HALO or some such.
Quote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...
I would stop playing. They are one of the most corrupt game companies on the planet and they dont have a clue on how to make a decent game. Their games are more like interactive movies. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
517
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Posted - 2016.12.09 16:23:03 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:So they've been pushing with the monthly expansion schedule, and they've implemented a whole slew of new features, with the game being arguably better and more interesting than in the past. To me this indicates that the devs are really interested in the game and motivated to put effort into creating new stuff and making the game succeed.
Not to say you're wrong, but when I want to sell a car... I have it tuned up first. Makes it more appealing.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Xayder
Infinitum Cartel Stella Nova
375
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:14:21 -
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Well, less hope Chris Roberts dont buy it. Otherwise we will see what P2P really means
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
0
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:29:03 -
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if EA gets this game, its screwed... remember all other companies that EA bought. their projects was like dead after a year or two... If someone like EA buys this game i will just stop playing personally. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18243
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:39:41 -
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Kiaksar2142 wrote:if EA gets this game, its screwed... remember all other companies that EA bought. their projects was like dead after a year or two... If someone like EA buys this game i will just stop playing personally.
Yeah EA buying EVE is a cashout event.
But far more likely is that this is some private investors, not another publisher.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
0
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:43:32 -
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Malcanis wrote: But far more likely is that this is some private investors, not another publisher.
Yeah but still, if another giant publisher like EA gets this game, its officially screwed.
I think new jita burn party coming right up... lol |
Stevn Thomas
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
7
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:52:38 -
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dhunpael wrote:Would be interesting to get an answer from the devs thing is this happens all the time. Just from the ones I know about,
GE has not bought out IBM
Apple still does not own several video game makersthey talked to
Paramount is still owned by Viacom
That said most mergers fail. And in some cases fail spectacularly.
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mkint
1293
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Posted - 2016.12.09 17:58:50 -
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Malcanis wrote:Kiaksar2142 wrote:if EA gets this game, its screwed... remember all other companies that EA bought. their projects was like dead after a year or two... If someone like EA buys this game i will just stop playing personally. Yeah EA buying EVE is a cashout event. But far more likely is that this is some private investors, not another publisher. With the tripling of the market valuation, it looks like ANY sale is a cash out event for those involved. They have no reason to care what happens beyond sale day. If EA has the best liquidation plan and can therefore pay the most, it's going to EA, regardless what the devs themselves think about it, and especially regardless what the players think about it.
So the real question is who are the likeliest buyers ranked from subhuman villains (EA) to reasonably benign (passive portfolio investors)?
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18243
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:05:09 -
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mkint wrote:Malcanis wrote:Kiaksar2142 wrote:if EA gets this game, its screwed... remember all other companies that EA bought. their projects was like dead after a year or two... If someone like EA buys this game i will just stop playing personally. Yeah EA buying EVE is a cashout event. But far more likely is that this is some private investors, not another publisher. With the tripling of the market valuation, it looks like ANY sale is a cash out event for those involved. They have no reason to care what happens beyond sale day. If EA has the best liquidation plan and can therefore pay the most, it's going to EA, regardless what the devs themselves think about it, and especially regardless what the players think about it. So the real question is who are the likeliest buyers ranked from subhuman villains (EA) to reasonably benign (passive portfolio investors)?
I meant a cashout event for me!
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
27
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:06:12 -
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Don Pera Saissore wrote:take the money and run
Not quite. Get tired even of the complacency then actually call it quits. Although they were never working to begin with. |
MAS0RAKSH
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
15
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:08:05 -
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CCP giving some detail might be a good thing. Saying nothing gives the impression that whoever it is, they don't want a part of eve, but the whole enchilada for almost a bil. they're not a charity and will want a good return on investment which means milking the players for as much as we're willing to tolerate.
was gonna have a $1k custom build PC ordered today, but read that little bit of news and didn't. thanks CCP for declining to comment. hungry children in asia and mexico building cheap parts aren't going to eat tonight. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
519
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:10:06 -
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MAS0RAKSH wrote:CCP giving some detail might be a good thing. Saying nothing gives the impression that whoever it is, they don't want a part of eve, but the whole enchilada for almost a bil. they're not a charity and will want a good return on investment which means milking the players for as much as we're willing to tolerate.
was gonna have a $1k custom build PC ordered today, but read that little bit of news and didn't. thanks CCP for declining to comment. hungry children in asia and mexico building cheap parts aren't going to eat tonight.
No worries, GadgetCorp has ya covered!
Once I get off work.
Fridays are toooo long at this time of year.
--Bored Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22018
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:10:35 -
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I would say its completely normal to expect EA taking over and killing companies to promote their own EA stuff. It happened before.
Hostile takovers happen.
I would not sell to EA for that reason, and I would not sell to party owning competing games.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
845
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:25:03 -
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So much ridiculous fearmongering in this thread. The article states that the investors who got in on the ground floor of Valkyrie for $30m and now it's worth $300m. Guessing that the stock on Eve Online is at an all time high and they are looking to get investors in to do some serious development to Eve and that would be fun to speculate about. I don't think CCP is publicly traded so it's all pink slips (Trade Hub ISK doubling)
Obviously the owners and devs of CCP know how this childish community reacts at things! Go shoot a statue!
@lunettelulu7
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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
804
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:29:00 -
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$955 million is only 107,036,400,000 ISK.
CCP, I'd like to offer 110 billion ISK, please.
For the Newbies: The 8 Golden Rules - The Magic 14 Skills - Finding the Right Corp - EVE University Wiki
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
519
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:34:38 -
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Hello Games needs a real space game I hear... They heard that EvE has that special Psssshh...
--Speculative Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1133
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Posted - 2016.12.09 18:39:01 -
[55] - Quote
Gauging markets and investing attitudes are a constant reality in investing, especially venture capital companies, and in the end it is about the money and its the product that makes that valuation. There are better and worse times to look to recoup investments and like most people should be doing in RL, aka looking for a better job even if they have no intention of leaving their current one so they can gauge their relative skill sets with HR departments in similar or dissimilar companies and businesses for "valuation" purposes.
You guys make me laugh all the time.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
1321
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:03:34 -
[56] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such.. And it could lead to a whole lot of people who boycott EA leaving the game, because I'll be damned if they get a cent from me for anything ever again. EA don't make games, they make candy. It's got no nutrition to it whatsoever, it just tastes good and gives you enough energy to run around in circles for an hour before you pass out from sugar overload.
sad kids leaving the game because of big bad EA grow up dude
Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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Maximus Bullet
Viziam Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:05:55 -
[57] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Malcanis wrote:"CCP" haven't owned CCP for a long time. The company has been majority owned by private investors for years. didnt they buy back all the shares a while ago?
That's usually a sign for selling a company or shoring up assets to make it look profitable.
Now can you send me 100 million isk since this game is truely dying.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10338
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:07:08 -
[58] - Quote
In before the same people threatening to quit that always threaten to quit but are still here years later.
Oops...too late.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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mkint
1293
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:07:54 -
[59] - Quote
Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such.. And it could lead to a whole lot of people who boycott EA leaving the game, because I'll be damned if they get a cent from me for anything ever again. EA don't make games, they make candy. It's got no nutrition to it whatsoever, it just tastes good and gives you enough energy to run around in circles for an hour before you pass out from sugar overload. sad kids leaving the game because of big bad EA grow up dude EA: where their only fans are through stockholm syndrome.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Wallstreet J0urnal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:10:05 -
[60] - Quote
Xayder wrote:Well, less hope Chris Roberts dont buy it. Otherwise we will see what P2P really means
Lmao. This game would be dissolved if they purchased EVE and the devs would be let go or some will be added to Roberts game -- if that was the case. |
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Wallstreet J0urnal
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:12:03 -
[61] - Quote
Winter Archipelago wrote:$955 million is only 107,036,400,000 ISK.
CCP, I'd like to offer 110 billion ISK, please.
Send me the isk and I'll triple it. Increasing your stake twofold while you generously give me 110b for 1/3 control=ƒÿâ |
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
316
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:21:12 -
[62] - Quote
Ask anyone that played SWTOR from the start what they think of how it has gone since EA bought BioWare |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
520
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:26:20 -
[63] - Quote
Warhammer Online is the best... er... oh
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14980
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:26:40 -
[64] - Quote
Wallstreet J0urnal wrote:Xayder wrote:Well, less hope Chris Roberts dont buy it. Otherwise we will see what P2P really means Lmao. This game would be dissolved if they purchased EVE and the devs would be let go or some will be added to Roberts game -- if that was the case.
No they wouldn't. They would start selling all EVE ships above T1 to players for cash only. I don't know where i'd find $350 for a Machariel lol.. |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:54:20 -
[65] - Quote
To all those who are saying they will quit (again) please contract your stuff to this character in NPC or Freeport Stations please. Thank you in advance |
Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
148
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Posted - 2016.12.09 19:59:27 -
[66] - Quote
Frostys Virpio wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why? EA games is pretty much ALWAYS a potential buyer.
If i remember rightly EA game aggressively tried to buy EvE a while ago and was literally give the middle finger and told to **** off. The EA representatives were bitching about this in the hotel when they got back and said they would bury the game.
Mate of mine was working in their hotel at the time and they were not quiet . |
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc. Sin City Coalition
471
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:00:21 -
[67] - Quote
This is actually very interesting, and tbh devs will be as interested as we are as while they are important they won't be privy to internal sales, so they are likely asking the same.
this is one to watch.
For better or for worse this will be a defining moment. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
520
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:03:42 -
[68] - Quote
Decaneos wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why? EA games is pretty much ALWAYS a potential buyer. If i remember rightly EA game aggressively tried to buy EvE a while ago and was literally give the middle finger and told to **** off. The EA representatives were bitching about this in the hotel when they got back and said they would bury the game. Mate of mine was working in their hotel at the time and they were not quiet .
Really want to see the citation on this.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22025
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:07:23 -
[69] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Decaneos wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why? EA games is pretty much ALWAYS a potential buyer. If i remember rightly EA game aggressively tried to buy EvE a while ago and was literally give the middle finger and told to **** off. The EA representatives were bitching about this in the hotel when they got back and said they would bury the game. Mate of mine was working in their hotel at the time and they were not quiet . Really want to see the citation on this. --Gadget That is completely believable. Even when its just a made up story.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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Judaa K'Marr
Power-Hug Training Bootcamp
51
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:08:43 -
[70] - Quote
VR = the new dot com bubble. |
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Snyzer Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:37:31 -
[71] - Quote
If they sell the eve to some big gaming company they will probably complete wis and implement planetary exploration with gunfire between avatars. But they're probably going to remove the PVP full loot because big games companies see it as a "niche" feature. This will result in the end of the game.
RIP EVE
Please excuse any grammatical errors and sorry for any misspellings. English is not my native language. I'm from brazil.
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Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2563
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Posted - 2016.12.09 20:44:29 -
[72] - Quote
Come one, this is Eve and CCP. It's CCP trying a real life market scam!! They'll list the game for sale on the market but as soon as someone takes the contract they'll discover it wasn't the entire Eve game, it was an anniversary edition box set and all the codes will have already been redeemed! |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22032
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:15:44 -
[73] - Quote
Issler Dainze wrote:Come one, this is Eve and CCP. It's CCP trying a real life market scam!! They'll list the game for sale on the market but as soon as someone takes the contract they'll discover it wasn't the entire Eve game, it was an anniversary edition box set and all the codes will have already been redeemed! I hope so.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
1
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:28:01 -
[74] - Quote
btw, in the news it doesnt said that CCP is selling EvE.
Actually i suspect that they will sell something else. I doubt that EvE costs 900 mil... too cheap if you ask me |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22032
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:33:39 -
[75] - Quote
I would buy that for a dollar
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
1
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Posted - 2016.12.09 21:39:06 -
[76] - Quote
my problem is that i cant play the game anymore... i mean its all about my F**Up personality... I usually cant play and enjoy a game that can be dead/sold/F**Up very soon =/ |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22034
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:10:04 -
[77] - Quote
Man, you could be hit by meteorite by accident and die, why would you want to live if it is all going to waste? I am of course joking, but that is slightly similar thinking to me.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
10344
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:20:22 -
[78] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:Man, you could be hit by meteorite by accident and die, why would you want to live if it is all going to waste? I am of course joking, but that is slightly similar thinking to me. Interesting tidbit for you.
In the U.S., you are more likely to die from being hit by an asteroid than die from a terrorist attack. By a large percentage.
Just one of those little things we students of statistics find interesting.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Krxon Blade
Apogee Group
9
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:28:07 -
[79] - Quote
Xayder wrote:Well, less hope Chris Roberts dont buy it. Otherwise we will see what P2P really means
If that greedy greasy egocentric megalomaniac ever lay his hands on EvE, I'll reprocess this char and never ever start playing again similar game. I pledged basic amount for SC on KS when it was reasonable project years ago, but what I saw so far it only makes me vomit when I just think on it. Hordes of blind fanbois, tons of lies and changed ToS, endless SooonGäó, better say NeverGäó...
But I'm somewhat resting assured because it seems that he is pretty much broke these days.
My old EvE related Flash games and stuff
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
464
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Posted - 2016.12.09 22:49:34 -
[80] - Quote
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Ask anyone that played SWTOR from the start what they think of how it has gone since EA bought BioWare EA enabled that game. Without a lot of cash up front, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big as it was.
With that said, their recent expansion did a very successful job of multiplying the number of "I'm unsubbing RAGEQUIT!" topics. TL;DR version they made a lot of changes which made a lot of the game's most social players mad, and "cash grab" rightly comes up quite a bit.
A signature :o
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Snyzer Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2016.12.09 23:03:44 -
[81] - Quote
Shallanna Yassavi wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Ask anyone that played SWTOR from the start what they think of how it has gone since EA bought BioWare EA enabled that game. Without a lot of cash up front, it wouldn't have been anywhere near as big as it was. With that said, their recent expansion did a very successful job of multiplying the number of "I'm unsubbing RAGEQUIT!" topics. TL;DR version they made a lot of changes which made a lot of the game's most social players mad, and "cash grab" rightly comes up quite a bit. The first change they would make in eve would be to remove the full loot pvp.
Please excuse any grammatical errors and sorry for any misspellings. English is not my native language. I'm from brazil.
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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.12.09 23:08:49 -
[82] - Quote
Nothing is forever. I also play Atlantica Online. The company (NDOORS) sold it to Nexon and now its being sold to VALOFE.
Try EVE Online for FREE with 250.000 extra skill points here!
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Scatim Helicon
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3444
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Posted - 2016.12.09 23:31:02 -
[83] - Quote
Judaa K'Marr wrote:VR = the new dutch tulip.
Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
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Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
137
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Posted - 2016.12.10 01:26:11 -
[84] - Quote
Truthfully, I can't see any company doing justice to this title.
EA would gut it and probably make the current Alpha Clones looks like gods (they ******* removed actions bars in F2P SWTOR, ffs)
RSI would slowly push this game into Star Citizen, which wouldn't be bad, but I HIGHLY doubt it would keep the same PVP ruleset
Trion Worlds would cash shop the hell out of it
NCSoft would give us ridiculous loli crap
Perfect World would also cash shop the hell out of it
Ubisoft would...well...uPlay DRM this and we wouldn't be able to log in half the time because 'the uPlay servers are experience connectivity issues'
ZeniMax would switch to a pay per DLC (aka expansion) model unless you stayed sub; and would subsequently change PLEX from being transferable to 'bind of purchase'.
Jesus...I've run out of game companies. Most of the ones that have been listed as well are owned by one of the above. So the buck (and decisions) would stop with them.
I dunno, maybe Amazon? They were looking to get into video games. Well, here's one that's setup and ready to go.
I really can't see Microsoft's game studio (343 I think it is or do they have others?) or Sony would buy up. Sony's had financial troubles too and is reportedly only making money because of the PS4. And Microsoft wouldn't want to support the PC venue since that won't push Xbox One sales.
Facebook might, but they seem more focused on the hardware that interacts with the games over the actual games themselves. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
528
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Posted - 2016.12.10 01:39:31 -
[85] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:Man, you could be hit by meteorite by accident and die, why would you want to live if it is all going to waste? I am of course joking, but that is slightly similar thinking to me. Interesting tidbit for you. In the U.S., you are more likely to die from being hit by an asteroid than die from a terrorist attack. By a large percentage. Just one of those little things we students of statistics find interesting. Mr Epeen
Jihadistic meteorites, however....
--Gadget... remembers to look up
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8290
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Posted - 2016.12.10 01:59:32 -
[86] - Quote
Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Ask anyone that played SWTOR from the start what they think of how it has gone since EA bought BioWare
That would be me, and I'll say it again: EA don't invest in or make games, they only do nutritionless candy.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Memphis Baas
2481
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Posted - 2016.12.10 02:02:17 -
[87] - Quote
I just want my non-"darkandgritty" ship skins, don't care who buys EVE as long as they put in the bright colors already. |
Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
138
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Posted - 2016.12.10 02:02:43 -
[88] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Anne Dieu-le-veut wrote:Ask anyone that played SWTOR from the start what they think of how it has gone since EA bought BioWare That would be me, and I'll say it again: EA don't invest in or make games, they only do nutritionless candy.
But, god damn, is it not the best tasting (if you think of the graphics as the taste not the content; that would be the nutrition) candy :P |
Memphis Baas
2482
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Posted - 2016.12.10 02:11:48 -
[89] - Quote
Why are we excluding Disney et al. from the list of potential buyers? |
BlkQueen
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
31
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Posted - 2016.12.10 03:31:47 -
[90] - Quote
Its an MMO and they get sold eventually. Get over it and get used to it. I wouldn't mind another company owning this game, maybe they will put more content into it other than allowing trolling and griefing by aholes. Oh and I got no problem with the bounties that will be put on this character now that I posted that, its my alt and I never use her. Have at it B---hs! I hope this game is sold to EA or Blizz and gutted into a real game. |
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
532
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Posted - 2016.12.10 03:45:13 -
[91] - Quote
Oh!
Looks like everyone got their wish.
CCP Bidder.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
88
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Posted - 2016.12.10 04:25:32 -
[92] - Quote
Mr Epeen wrote:Interesting tidbit for you. In the U.S., you are more likely to die from being hit by an asteroid than die from a terrorist attack. By a large percentage. Just one of those little things we students of statistics find interesting. Mr Epeen
Did you know 77.8% of statistics quotations are actually made up? <- That's another little thing students of statistics find interesting.
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Jojcia
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2016.12.10 04:42:24 -
[93] - Quote
NCSoft will buy - all item drop rates will be set automaticaly to 0,000000001% - bounties from rats will be 1000 ISK max - P2W cash shop - P2W events |
Marzom Dread
Coroner's Report
23
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Posted - 2016.12.10 04:46:31 -
[94] - Quote
Well, it was fun while it lasted. |
TackyTachy1
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
123
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Posted - 2016.12.10 05:18:59 -
[95] - Quote
Hopefully they won't screw up my little niche, but if they do then I'll have to find another game where three, home-built rather high end gaming computers (Well, three years ago) can find a place to waste time in a creative sort of way.
The first rule of corporate philosophy is "Maximum Profit, No Matter The Cost" so if they can realize a percentage point or two more profit by attracting the airhead, instant gratification bunch rather than the cunning, scheming, feral and bats**it crazy players who spend time and effort creating ever more innovative ways to blow stuff up (the current crew), well, then that's not just the way the world works but also, if you stop to think about it, the way Eve works.
Forum Rep for a bunch of characters, couple corps
and one seriously Lost In Space multiboxer.
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Kousaka Otsu Shigure
51
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Posted - 2016.12.10 05:21:28 -
[96] - Quote
Once I read this line from some chat/blog or whatever, that went like this: there are personalities/groups that have been trying to kill EvE for some time now. I thought at that time it referred to a certain null group, because of the other things the text was talking about. But now, having read much more eve related stuff, I guess there is truth to what that line said.
I was in an alpha char last week, chatting up some new players and this guy suddenly starts spouting about 'playing eve (for the time being) while waiting for Star Citizen'. He wasn't really badmouthing eve but the bittervets in the npc corp suddenly _erupted_ at the comments of the guy about SC (quotable: how it was a game designed for computers of teh future! The future he says!)
O'course I egged him on, kept the flames high and much entertainment was had in an otherwise boring night.
I thought then, was this guy actually ADVERTISING SC on EvE? With an alpha account? You know the way he talked and how he claimed he was '..from the industry.'.. I was thinking he worked on SC itself, LOL.
So you wanna bury eve online? Get in line, people have been trying for the past X years..
edit: huh, reading some of the posts here.. must be part of that personalities/groups mentioned..
Archiver, Software Developer and Data Slave
Current Project Status: Now for the fun part: Generating Tags
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8056
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Posted - 2016.12.10 05:39:31 -
[97] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Relax,it's only me
Imagine if the players, instead of crying and shooting a monument, put their bucks together and bought the company.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8290
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Posted - 2016.12.10 06:06:28 -
[98] - Quote
Memphis Baas wrote:Why are we excluding Disney et al. from the list of potential buyers?
We aren't. Disney outsource gaming licenses to EA.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8290
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Posted - 2016.12.10 06:08:35 -
[99] - Quote
BlkQueen wrote:Its an MMO and they get sold eventually. Get over it and get used to it. I wouldn't mind another company owning this game, maybe they will put more content into it other than allowing trolling and griefing by aholes. Oh and I got no problem with the bounties that will be put on this character now that I posted that, its my alt and I never use her. Have at it B---hs! I hope this game is sold to EA or Blizz and gutted into a real game.
Oh I'll get over it and get used to it just fine, by moving on to something else. This is as much a real game as any other, and you wanting to turn it into a carebear's themepark dream is entirely your problem. If this game, as is, is too hard for you, then play something else.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Beta Maoye
143
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Posted - 2016.12.10 07:05:20 -
[100] - Quote
The news said the investors are thinking of selling the company CCP which includes Eve, Valkyrie, Gunjack and Project Nova. If someone wants to buy CCP, he is probably paying his attention on the intellectual property of VR, not the old game Eve. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1290
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Posted - 2016.12.10 07:38:43 -
[101] - Quote
Beta Maoye wrote:The news said the investors are thinking of selling the company CCP which includes Eve, Valkyrie, Gunjack and Project Nova. If someone wants to buy CCP, he is probably paying his attention on the intellectual property of VR, not the old game Eve. Not paying attention to the largest share of employees and infrastructure and more than half the income?
That would be a pretty stupid investor.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Beta Maoye
143
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Posted - 2016.12.10 08:38:01 -
[102] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Beta Maoye wrote:The news said the investors are thinking of selling the company CCP which includes Eve, Valkyrie, Gunjack and Project Nova. If someone wants to buy CCP, he is probably paying his attention on the intellectual property of VR, not the old game Eve. Not paying attention to the largest share of employees and infrastructure and more than half the income? That would be a pretty stupid investor. Venture capitals tend to look for businesses with possibilities of high growth rate, like VR, biotechnology, artificial intelligence. They are having less interest in matured business, like a 13 years old MMO, with limited growth. |
Leucy Kerastase
650BN
34
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Posted - 2016.12.10 09:36:26 -
[103] - Quote
More like, "WTS CCP" vs "WTB everything (mostly VR) but that wierd out-of-date MMO thing." |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8057
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Posted - 2016.12.10 09:42:55 -
[104] - Quote
We have to consider also that the VR games may well be the future while MMOs are "old hat".
Look at the FPS genre for example. They offer customization of equipment and to some extent skills. These are Eve-ish qualities that are selling points for the game. I think Eve loses customers to the proliferation of character and skill customization, be they via P2W or other means, in other games that have much less grind to them.
In the greater picture, with the best of what MMOs have to offer without having to maintain the worst of MMOs while taking games into advanced VR technology, the MMORPG risks becoming a dinosaur. Possibly the changes to the client camera reflect some thought towards Eve not being entirely sent out to pasture. But it does risk becoming the old folks home for gamers still stuck in the 1995-2010 period.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1290
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Posted - 2016.12.10 09:46:57 -
[105] - Quote
Beta Maoye wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Beta Maoye wrote:The news said the investors are thinking of selling the company CCP which includes Eve, Valkyrie, Gunjack and Project Nova. If someone wants to buy CCP, he is probably paying his attention on the intellectual property of VR, not the old game Eve. Not paying attention to the largest share of employees and infrastructure and more than half the income? That would be a pretty stupid investor. Venture capitals tend to look for businesses with possibilities of high growth rate, like VR, biotechnology, artificial intelligence. They are having less interest in matured business, like a 13 years old MMO, with limited growth. And where genius does the article show this as venture capital looking to purchase the business?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Beta Maoye
143
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Posted - 2016.12.10 10:13:09 -
[106] - Quote
Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Beta Maoye wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Beta Maoye wrote:The news said the investors are thinking of selling the company CCP which includes Eve, Valkyrie, Gunjack and Project Nova. If someone wants to buy CCP, he is probably paying his attention on the intellectual property of VR, not the old game Eve. Not paying attention to the largest share of employees and infrastructure and more than half the income? That would be a pretty stupid investor. Venture capitals tend to look for businesses with possibilities of high growth rate, like VR, biotechnology, artificial intelligence. They are having less interest in matured business, like a 13 years old MMO, with limited growth. And where genius does the article show this as venture capital looking to purchase the business? Many other choices for traditional capitals. Gaming is not particularly attractive to them. Capitals that invest in gaming are usually those who wants to take higher risk for very high return.
Surely Eve has its own value. It partly balanced the risk involved in VR gaming. It is a good reason that buyers may want to buy CCP as a whole. |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5377
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Posted - 2016.12.10 10:30:15 -
[107] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We have to consider also that the VR games may well be the future while MMOs are "old hat".
Look at the FPS genre for example. They offer customization of equipment and to some extent skills. These are Eve-ish qualities that are selling points for the game. I think Eve loses customers to the proliferation of character and skill customization, be they via P2W or other means, in other games that have much less grind to them.
In the greater picture, with the best of what MMOs have to offer without having to maintain the worst of MMOs while taking games into advanced VR technology, the MMORPG risks becoming a dinosaur. Possibly the changes to the client camera reflect some thought towards Eve not being entirely sent out to pasture. But it does risk becoming the old folks home for gamers still stuck in the 1995-2010 period.
VR at the moment is typically losing money and occasionally breaking even, usually because of things other than actually selling VR games (exclusivity deals, combo packages, et cetera). There simply aren't enough VR kits around to make a viable market, and to make it worst, it is split in mutually incompatible devices which require specific coding i.e. different versions of each game.
PC games are a better business and that feedbacks itself. Without VR content there's no drive to buy VR hardware which makes VR content a losing proposition for developers.
And what's worst, and the real crux, is that IMHO VR dried on the vine. It should have been launched in 2015, not 2016. That's the elephant in the room; Augmented Reality already haves a better foothold than VR and doesn't haves the serious backdraws of VR.
I said it some years ago and it's bound to be true: no consumer technology has ever succeeded that couldn't be shared within seconds. People buy new stuff to impress their acquitances. VR headsets just make you look like an idiot. Do they have a market? Yes. Is it a massive, smartphone-like market? No effin way. Is it a viably sized market? Maybe in 2015, but not in 2016 when AR (Augmented Reality) scored a critical hit on the smartphone market. The game giving boners to investors is Pokemon Go. Not some VR game: name one that isn't CCP's... or name a big hit VR game, I dare you.
So that leaves CCP in the position of having an old but profitable MMO earning some 60 million $ per year and a few VR trinkets and technologies which could be big if the VR market exploded, but that isn't happening this year and Xmas 2017 is as far as eternity. So either they sell now to some greater fool or that window of opportunity will shut by Q3 2017 as the First Year of Commercial VR 2.0 ends and is put on review. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3138
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Posted - 2016.12.10 11:13:06 -
[108] - Quote
Agree to post above, better get rid of the VR assets while still valuable.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8057
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Posted - 2016.12.10 11:17:38 -
[109] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We have to consider also that the VR games may well be the future while MMOs are "old hat".
Look at the FPS genre for example. They offer customization of equipment and to some extent skills. These are Eve-ish qualities that are selling points for the game. I think Eve loses customers to the proliferation of character and skill customization, be they via P2W or other means, in other games that have much less grind to them.
In the greater picture, with the best of what MMOs have to offer without having to maintain the worst of MMOs while taking games into advanced VR technology, the MMORPG risks becoming a dinosaur. Possibly the changes to the client camera reflect some thought towards Eve not being entirely sent out to pasture. But it does risk becoming the old folks home for gamers still stuck in the 1995-2010 period. VR at the moment is typically losing money and occasionally breaking even, usually because of things other than actually selling VR games (exclusivity deals, combo packages, et cetera). There simply aren't enough VR kits around to make a viable market, and to make it worst, it is split in mutually incompatible devices which require specific coding i.e. different versions of each game. PC games are a better business and that feedbacks itself. Without VR content there's no drive to buy VR hardware which makes VR content a losing proposition for developers. And what's worst, and the real crux, is that IMHO VR dried on the vine. It should have been launched in 2015, not 2016. That's the elephant in the room; Augmented Reality already haves a better foothold than VR and doesn't haves the serious backdraws of VR. I said it some years ago and it's bound to be true: no consumer technology has ever succeeded that couldn't be shared within seconds. People buy new stuff to impress their acquitances. VR headsets just make you look like an idiot. Do they have a market? Yes. Is it a massive, smartphone-like market? No effin way. Is it a viably sized market? Maybe in 2015, but not in 2016 when AR (Augmented Reality) scored a critical hit on the smartphone market. The game giving boners to investors is Pokemon Go. Not some VR game: name one that isn't CCP's... or name a big hit VR game, I dare you. So that leaves CCP in the position of having an old but profitable MMO earning some 60 million $ per year and a few VR trinkets and technologies which could be big if the VR market exploded, but that isn't happening this year and Xmas 2017 is as far as eternity. So either they sell now to some greater fool or that window of opportunity will shut by Q3 2017 as the First Year of Commercial VR 2.0 ends and is put on review.
I happen to be working on an augmented reality project lately. You may be right.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Satyri Hermides
Detroit Metal Works
0
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Posted - 2016.12.10 14:41:52 -
[110] - Quote
Looks like Microsoft is probably the interested party as Andy Lunique is headed to Iceland (home of CCP) and then off to Stockholm (Home of EA).
I believe EA already has 2 members on the CCP Games board, as well as does the Oculus developers.
Anyways, I will drop this here Beginning of the end |
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Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.10 15:11:33 -
[111] - Quote
All things die sooner or later...there is no guarentee that eve will last forever.....
The server WILL go off some day that's for sure......
So why complain and not take a few good days left? :-)
Eve online down will not be the end of the world....maybe for some people,but as i said before...those people have quite a different and bigger problem..... |
Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.12.10 15:38:38 -
[112] - Quote
Jojcia wrote:NCSoft will buy - all item drop rates will be set automaticaly to 0,000000001% - bounties from rats will be 1000 ISK max - P2W cash shop - P2W events
Between EA and NCSoft i would rather have this game shut down. They are players Nemesis from RE3.
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
377
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Posted - 2016.12.10 15:56:13 -
[113] - Quote
mkint wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Harry Forever wrote:Keno Skir wrote:Wow that sucks :/ nobody cares, the owners (venture capitalists and investment funds) sell the whole company, ccp will still do the game.. it's like with stocks, the company goes on doing their thing no matter who owns the stock.. the company just gets traded from one investor to another.. happens all the time.. even if it's sold to electronic arts, ccp will go on doing the game like dice is doing their games, ccp will just end up having access to the ea assets, could lead to better server backup and such.. And it could lead to a whole lot of people who boycott EA leaving the game, because I'll be damned if they get a cent from me for anything ever again. EA don't make games, they make candy. It's got no nutrition to it whatsoever, it just tastes good and gives you enough energy to run around in circles for an hour before you pass out from sugar overload. sad kids leaving the game because of big bad EA grow up dude EA: where their only fans are through stockholm syndrome.
I will second that saying.
what ever EA takes over has died in a huge fiery explosion.
C&C RA 3 had high pay actors and crappy script, compared to Westwoods unknown actors with great capability and script, Tiberium wars 4 died aswell with its sucky ending
SimCity took a year and a half to be playable with its small maps and constant problems for them to make the game offline and haven't touched it since
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
4
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Posted - 2016.12.10 16:51:14 -
[114] - Quote
i dont get the people who are saying that this game will die and its good time to take few days that we have left... Come on, there wasnt even an official comments. no one actually knows who is selling what and how...
News websites? COME ON... According to media, iraq had weapon of mass destruction, obama is a reptile agent, asteroids are approaching earth and we will die in few years....
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22138
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:26:05 -
[115] - Quote
Now I have an idea, it goes like this:
Microsoft buys CCP and makes them do VR software exclusively.
Microsoft buys CIG from Roberts to finish SC like with Freelancer.
Microsoft kills EVE Online before showing completed SC to sell more.
My tinfoil is stronk.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
225
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:36:39 -
[116] - Quote
Here is another link from pcgamesn about the possibility of Eveonline being sold.
Eve to be sold?
Change. Sometimes change can be good. All of the new content, game mechanic changes, ship/weapon balancing/changes, that have been implemented in this game are examples of change that is good.
Sometimes though, change can be bad. New bosses are a lot like alpha male dogs. They feel the need to pee on everything to make their mark and show they are dominant over all the betas. The changes they make arent to make anything better but to make sure everyone knows who is boss. This kind of change with this kind of boss is always a bad change and just ends up making everything smell like pee.
At 45, I've seen more of the bad kind of change happening in my workplace than the good kind of change I described above. I suspect many here have the same experience in their workplace.
Going to watch this possible change, see if Eveonline gets sold, look at what happens with the game after the possible change, and hope for the best, but expect the worst if Eve is sold.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
138
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:39:32 -
[117] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We have to consider also that the VR games may well be the future while MMOs are "old hat".
Look at the FPS genre for example. They offer customization of equipment and to some extent skills. These are Eve-ish qualities that are selling points for the game. I think Eve loses customers to the proliferation of character and skill customization, be they via P2W or other means, in other games that have much less grind to them.
The EVE Grind isn't the problem. EVE still has the "you need spreadsheets to play this" plague hanging over its head.
Dove-tailing that is the fact you're a ship. Be realistic, folks, our ships are our avatars...not the dude sitting on the couch in the station.
And for someone like myself, that is just not interesting. Flying a ship? Oh hell ya, PEWPEWPEW! But being the ship. It's jarring and takes me out of the world.
I believe those are two main reasons EVE never truly caught on.
"EVE's too hard"
and
"It's just not interesting" (which I think is the I'm a ship)
Sadly, the first has changed significantly since I started. -- You know...that lovely tutorial that was like. Here's a ship. HAVE FUN! *click*, and you were left there going "dafuq do I move??"
But the shadow of it still looms over the game. This may be why CCP expanded into the FPS and Space Ship FPS. Something to get people intrigued about how these 'other' games tied into EVE; in hopes of getting them to sub to it.
---
@Kiaksar2142
It sounds to me like it was a leak. And if the MS trip to Iceland is right, it's either a Dev jumping to conclusion. Or there's been whispers of it [sell offs]. Unlike other industries the mere mention of a game studio being sold off can quickly death spiral any current projects.
No sane person would invest time into a game if they didn't know if the game would be the same (or even around) in the next year to year and half.
...and it doesn't look good when your company's biggest selling point (in terms of guaranteed revenue) suddenly has people fleeing/switching to F2P mode.
NOTE: For this next bit, I wasn't paying close attention.
I don't recall Blizzard announcing or even signaling they were switching owners (Vivendi to Activision) until pretty much after the ink was dried on the deal....in fact, I think I found out like a month afterwards that it had even happened, and that was because some were saying the glory days were "behind us now that Activision owns Blizzard".
((And the lack of coverage speaks to the above; you don't want to frightened your assets away [the players].))
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22138
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:41:29 -
[118] - Quote
I would take that "No comment" as "Its a secret! Well, it was.."
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
225
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:53:24 -
[119] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:I would take that "No comment" as "Its a secret! Well, it was.."
Agreeing with you here. The no comment on CCP's part is very telling. Especially from a company that is very vocal about how well the company is doing financially when asked if Eve is dieing by a game magazine.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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111kartel111
Lux Aeternes
16
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Posted - 2016.12.10 17:55:39 -
[120] - Quote
Well crap i guess its back to playing x3 albion prelude then but hay its f2p :) . |
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Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
5
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Posted - 2016.12.10 18:33:56 -
[121] - Quote
Olleybear wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I would take that "No comment" as "Its a secret! Well, it was.." Agreeing with you here. The no comment on CCP's part is very telling. Especially from a company that is very vocal about how well the company is doing financially when asked if Eve is dieing by a game magazine.
Most companies will avoid speaking during any negotiation, even if there is not any serious consideration. It is polite and also establishes good faith, which is always a good thing.
My question is, are they being asked to sell the whole company, or just the technology developed for Valkyrie, or are they being bought out completely by someone that is only interested in Valkyrie's tech. Without knowing whose looking to buy and sell what, and why, it would be hard to speculate what this means for EVE.
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
228
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Posted - 2016.12.10 18:59:28 -
[122] - Quote
Dyllan Ybrex wrote: My question is, are they being asked to sell the whole company, or just the technology developed for Valkyrie, or are they being bought out completely by someone that is only interested in Valkyrie's tech. Without knowing whose looking to buy and sell what, and why, it would be hard to speculate what this means for EVE.
Those are some very good questions. Buying/Licensing just the technology behind Valkyrie would be interesting in what another company could do with the technology and wouldnt negatively effect Eveonline while infusing more cash into the CCP the company. That has the possibility to benefit everyone.
Going to agree with you that It is hard to speculate at this point with the limited information we have. Though the pessimist in a lot of us here has us expecting the worst.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22140
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:04:33 -
[123] - Quote
I think its about whole package, CCP as it stands, not a small bit of it.
A bit of history with EA and Microsoft as those evil ones: http://kotaku.com/an-updated-list-of-studios-ea-has-bought-and-then-shut-1689498614 http://www.polygon.com/2014/9/15/6153109/microsoft-minecraft-acquisitions
Look how Ensemble Studios ended. Its a saddest part I think, and a warning.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2577
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:14:26 -
[124] - Quote
This is the end My only freind the end
We shall see, I suppose.
If EvE is euthanized, it's been a great run - if EvE is left alone, fine - if EvE actually benefits somehow, also fine....
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
EvE guide for alpha clones
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8059
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:16:07 -
[125] - Quote
C'mon guys. What's wrong with EA? (runs from the room quickly..... )
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
228
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:25:18 -
[126] - Quote
The thing to learn from these two articles is:
"If you want to make quick cash, you sell to the big boys. However, if you want your company to stick around, dont sell it to a company that is looking for a certain percentage return on investment. If they dont get that return on investment, they shut your now sold company down as its an 'underperforming' division."
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5381
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:31:23 -
[127] - Quote
Vortexo VonBrenner wrote:
Since EVE is the only real source of revenue for CCP, obviously any new owner would like to keep it alive. Now, maybe the new owners would be like the current ones, who, as far as we know, never directed the company, just let Hilmar & al do their job.
In that case, players wouldn't notice anything. CCP would be the same guys doing the same things, just for different owners... someone else reaping a share of the profits and that, at least while EVE & VR trinkets were commercially viable.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22145
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:43:52 -
[128] - Quote
I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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2Sonas1Cup
175
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:49:02 -
[129] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical.
EVE will be shut down in March, theyre planning on keeping the art and database infrastructure, but there will be no more eve from march 2017.
I hope everyone had a great ride and spent your money in this game wisely cause there will be no refunds. |
Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
5
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:51:03 -
[130] - Quote
Dyllan Ybrex wrote: My question is, are they being asked to sell the whole company, or just the technology developed for Valkyrie, or are they being bought out completely by someone that is only interested in Valkyrie's tech. Without knowing whose looking to buy and sell what, and why, it would be hard to speculate what this means for EVE.
This is the main question at the moment. If you ask me, unlikely CCP will sell EVE Online. they can cell whole company, and owners will continue to support CCP's freedom on development (EVE is really stable income) or they will just sell some technology to some company. |
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
5
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Posted - 2016.12.10 19:52:22 -
[131] - Quote
2Sonas1Cup wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical. EVE will be shut down in March, theyre planning on keeping the art and database infrastructure, but there will be no more eve from march 2017. I hope everyone had a great ride and spent your money in this game wisely cause there will be no refunds.
where you got this info? |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22146
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:03:12 -
[132] - Quote
Kiaksar2142 wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical. EVE will be shut down in March, theyre planning on keeping the art and database infrastructure, but there will be no more eve from march 2017. I hope everyone had a great ride and spent your money in this game wisely cause there will be no refunds. where you got this info? Its trolling.
And I suspect we still have EVE source code leaked from 2007. Maybe we could get it leaked again by kind dev if we could ask nicely. In case something goes horribly wrong.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Sumiko Shihari
Perkone Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:03:25 -
[133] - Quote
2Sonas1Cup wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical. EVE will be shut down in March, theyre planning on keeping the art and database infrastructure, but there will be no more eve from march 2017. I hope everyone had a great ride and spent your money in this game wisely cause there will be no refunds.
This has been confirmed. We are going to start organizing some all officer fit roams prior to the shutdown in March. |
Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
5
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:10:11 -
[134] - Quote
New Eden is all about trolls. i know that part, however, yeah, actually shutdown is possible. i doubt it will be in 2017, but still, possible if CCP gets swallowed by some giant company like EA.
However personally i think that if CCP will sell the company, it will be just like the change of investors. just like the last time. and players wont notice anything.
Whan i mean that CCP wont sell it to those who will mess into their internal stuff like EVE and etc. |
111kartel111
Lux Aeternes
16
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:16:41 -
[135] - Quote
REPENT THE END IS NEAR. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
538
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:18:47 -
[136] - Quote
2Sonas1Cup wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I would like to see them keeping EVE at least for another 15 years, but when I think about it now, seeing personally how everything in world goes down the drain recently because of greedy people, I am very sceptical. EVE will be shut down in March, theyre planning on keeping the art and database infrastructure, but there will be no more eve from march 2017. I hope everyone had a great ride and spent your money in this game wisely cause there will be no refunds.
Citation Needed...
Even if in trollish, we've got Google translate.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
5
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:19:02 -
[137] - Quote
this one fits our situation better: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b5/b8/69/b5b86929d7e77f60340d7969bd329dc5.jpg |
Olleybear
Armed And Angry
230
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:29:00 -
[138] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Since EVE is the only real source of revenue for CCP, obviously any new owner would like to keep it alive. Now, maybe the new owners would be like the current ones, who, as far as we know, never directed the company, just let Hilmar & al do their job.
In that case, players wouldn't notice anything. CCP would be the same guys doing the same things, just for different owners... someone else reaping a share of the profits and that, at least while EVE & VR trinkets were commercially viable.
If the entirety of CCP intellectual property is up for sale, this is the best possible outcome us players could hope for once Eveonline is sold. A silent business partner buying the stake of the previous silent business partner, or perhaps seating an additional silent business partner at the CCP table, just might be a nice outcome for both Eveonline and the playerbase. Lets hope for that outcome if "Eve is For Sale" is more than just speculation by a few online news sites.
When it comes to PvP, I am like a chiwawa hanging from a grizzley bears pair of wrinklies for dear life.
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Hrist Harkonnen
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:32:18 -
[139] - Quote
Why people want an answer from devs? They are the people that create the game and keep it updated, they are not the company executives that decide if the company is sold or not.
Devs could say "thats not happening guys" and he would have ZERO influence on the decision.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
538
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Hrist Harkonnen wrote:Why people want an answer from devs? They are the people that create the game and keep it updated, they are not the company executives that decide if the company is sold or not.
Devs could say "thats not happening guys" and he would have ZERO influence on the decision.
Think that "Devs" in most cases here means Official Response.
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Hrist Harkonnen
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:37:00 -
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The skill injectors were a huge point towards selling/giving up the game imho (cash in fast before its sunk). They prob used all their cards into this expansion and the F2P model to see if the subscription rate rose significantly but it didn't happen.
Imo CCP failed years ago to keep new blood coming AND STAYING into the game. Sadly i returned just now with the F2P thing and started this Omega character but i really dont think the game has much more time.
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Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.12.10 20:45:29 -
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Olleybear wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Since EVE is the only real source of revenue for CCP, obviously any new owner would like to keep it alive. Now, maybe the new owners would be like the current ones, who, as far as we know, never directed the company, just let Hilmar & al do their job.
In that case, players wouldn't notice anything. CCP would be the same guys doing the same things, just for different owners... someone else reaping a share of the profits and that, at least while EVE & VR trinkets were commercially viable.
If the entirety of CCP intellectual property is up for sale, this is the best possible outcome us players could hope for once Eveonline is sold. A silent business partner buying the stake of the previous silent business partner, or perhaps seating an additional silent business partner at the CCP table, just might be a nice outcome for both Eveonline and the playerbase. Lets hope for that outcome if "Eve is For Sale" is more than just speculation by a few online news sites.
Silent? So...what are SKINS, Character Accessories, Skill Injectors, Alpha Clones?
Seems to me those are ways to make the game more profitable.
In the last few years, starting right around the time we got our Characters; replacing those portraits, CCP has made a major course change...and it seems money is the objective.
Obviously, that's a 'duh' thing. But realistically, EVE can't make money the way it is now. It needs to be easier, with more 'pay 2 skip'. Something to compete with the 'instant gratification' that mobile games offer.
Basically, the game's burn-out rate is faster than it's on-boarding rate.
World of Warcraft didn't get to 13 million by being hardcore. And even though it's at somewhere around 4 million now...that's still roughly 10 times more revenue than EVE generates (counting sub money only).
And that's exactly what a new owner would want...more players for more immediate profit |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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i`m scared now. Not sure what to think about this thing.
On the other hand sometimes a new manager can improve things. A fresh mind of thinking can be better. But most of the time it`s fails hard. So well... Not sure if ccp will ever talk about this. |
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think positive guys, think valve |
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Posted - 2016.12.10 21:04:11 -
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Dyner wrote:Olleybear wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Since EVE is the only real source of revenue for CCP, obviously any new owner would like to keep it alive. Now, maybe the new owners would be like the current ones, who, as far as we know, never directed the company, just let Hilmar & al do their job.
In that case, players wouldn't notice anything. CCP would be the same guys doing the same things, just for different owners... someone else reaping a share of the profits and that, at least while EVE & VR trinkets were commercially viable.
If the entirety of CCP intellectual property is up for sale, this is the best possible outcome us players could hope for once Eveonline is sold. A silent business partner buying the stake of the previous silent business partner, or perhaps seating an additional silent business partner at the CCP table, just might be a nice outcome for both Eveonline and the playerbase. Lets hope for that outcome if "Eve is For Sale" is more than just speculation by a few online news sites. Silent? So...what are SKINS, Character Accessories, Skill Injectors, Alpha Clones? Seems to me those are ways to make the game more profitable. In the last few years, starting right around the time we got our Characters; replacing those portraits, CCP has made a major course change...and it seems money is the objective. Obviously, that's a 'duh' thing. But realistically, EVE can't make money the way it is now. It needs to be easier, with more 'pay 2 skip'. Something to compete with the 'instant gratification' that mobile games offer. Basically, the game's burn-out rate is faster than it's on-boarding rate. World of Warcraft didn't get to 13 million by being hardcore. And even though it's at somewhere around 4 million now...that's still roughly 10 times more revenue than EVE generates (counting sub money only). And that's exactly what a new owner would want...more players for more immediate profit
Well, EVE is 13 years old, and the price of subscription is the same today as it was then. Due to inflation, this means that in terms of purchase power, a subscription to EVE is 40% cheaper now than when it was launched (15 dollars buy you now the same as 9 dollars did in 2003). This is why extra revenue per customer is needed to compensate for the frozen subscription. |
Olleybear
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Posted - 2016.12.10 21:25:22 -
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Dyner wrote:[quote=Olleybear] Silent? So...what are SKINS, Character Accessories, Skill Injectors, Alpha Clones?
Seems to me those are ways to make the game more profitable.
......
Obviously, that's a 'duh' thing. But realistically, EVE can't make money the way it is now. It needs to be easier, with more 'pay 2 skip'. Something to compete with the 'instant gratification' that mobile games offer.
Basically, the game's burn-out rate is faster than it's on-boarding rate.
World of Warcraft didn't get to 13 million by being hardcore. And even though it's at somewhere around 4 million now...that's still roughly 10 times more revenue than EVE generates (counting sub money only).
And that's exactly what a new owner would want...more players for more immediate profit
We can both agree that making the game more profitable is a good thing for both investors and players. People of the forums were wanting skins, or ways to customize their own ships, for years before skins came out. CCP also fielded the idea of Pay for Skillpoints at Fanfest a few years ago to see the audiences response. So unless the "silent" partners were around back then, skins and skill injectors are all CCP's own internal ideas.
Eveonline will never compete with instant gratification mobile games, ever. It is ridiculous to even say Eve needs to compete with mobile games. However, if you want more things you can do to effect the main Eve game that you play on a pc, from a mobile device, like change your market orders or setting skills then this might be a good idea for mobile.
Eve does have part of Wows game model with the 'healer" class of ships, and also with Incursion play that mimics Wows raids. Eve's learning curve, its unforgiving nature in that you lose everything when your ship explodes, and the fact that you dont level grind are different than WoW. You wouldnt want to change those things though as they are the heart of Eve and make Eve, well, Eve instead of Wow in space.
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Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2016.12.10 21:42:46 -
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CCP discussed microtransactions to great extend before they introduced them to EVE.
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Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.12.10 22:08:19 -
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Olleybear wrote:Dyner wrote: Silent? So...what are SKINS, Character Accessories, Skill Injectors, Alpha Clones?
Seems to me those are ways to make the game more profitable.
......
Obviously, that's a 'duh' thing. But realistically, EVE can't make money the way it is now. It needs to be easier, with more 'pay 2 skip'. Something to compete with the 'instant gratification' that mobile games offer.
Basically, the game's burn-out rate is faster than it's on-boarding rate.
World of Warcraft didn't get to 13 million by being hardcore. And even though it's at somewhere around 4 million now...that's still roughly 10 times more revenue than EVE generates (counting sub money only).
And that's exactly what a new owner would want...more players for more immediate profit
We can both agree that making the game more profitable is a good thing for both investors and players. People of the forums were wanting skins, or ways to customize their own ships, for years before skins came out. CCP also fielded the idea of Pay for Skillpoints at Fanfest a few years ago to see the audiences response. So unless the "silent" partners were around back then, skins and skill injectors are all CCP's own internal ideas. Eveonline will never compete with instant gratification mobile games, ever. It is ridiculous to even say Eve needs to compete with mobile games. However, if you want more things you can do to effect the main Eve game that you play on a pc, from a mobile device, like change your market orders or setting skills then this might be a good idea for mobile. Eve does have part of Wows game model with the 'healer" class of ships, and also with Incursion play that mimics Wows raids. Eve's learning curve, its unforgiving nature in that you lose everything when your ship explodes, and the fact that you dont level grind are different than WoW. You wouldnt want to change those things though as they are the heart of Eve and make Eve, well, Eve instead of Wow in space.
I didn't mean EVE needs to compete, as in the stay relevant, but they would need to do so to make the money in the quantities that those games make...which is something any investor would be pushing for. -- It's more money for them, they'd be stupid not to.
And, as someone who had a mind for business, I would push CCP to implement 'easy money' schemes (SKINS come to mind). People were asking for them long before SKINS, but CCP choose to make SKINS a 'pay extra for' item.
...and sorry for this, but I would change EVE to be more like WoW, because I want that 15/mo 'times' 4 million people; not that 15/mo 'times' ~400,000 (this may not be accurate anymore; it's the last number I recall hearing).
I don't care if you all quit. Because I, using some formula probably, know I at least triple the number of subs for at least a couple of months.
And I'm a 'silent partner', with legally binding gag clauses so what do I care if the player base gets pissed off. I bought the company to make money not to make friends.
((Remember, this is me speaking as a business man. I love this game dearly and I don't want it to change to the point that EVE is no longer EVE. But you all need to remember, investors, typically, are like house flippers; spend as little money generate the largest possible return in the shortest amount of time. -- You get that by catering to the masses (sometimes referred to as the lowest common denominator, which is wrongly used since you're actually using the mean [or average]; the average person does not want to expend a great deal of time or effort playing -- They want to relax..not work.)))
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As for EVE's similarity to WoW, I would say it's similar to GW2. As far as 'healer ships' are concerned it'd be closer to how, in GW2, you can typically spec every class to offer some sort of 'heal thy self and thy allies'.
In regards to raids..EVE doesn't have hard threat. I've heard NPCs (like in Incursions) will lock on to the first ship that enters...but I've never seen this first hand, so won't speak on it. GW2 is similar, no hard threat; you all get to tank! :P |
Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2016.12.10 22:21:29 -
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Quote:I don't care if you all quit. Because I, using some formula probably, know I at least triple the number of subs for at least a couple of months. I dont think such formulas exist. Else every game out there would use it. With situation like that, the relevance of said formula would become nullified and other factors would be more important, like for example current playerbase oppinion.
Do we know how Star Wars Galaxies changed and what was the result? We know.
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Olleybear
Armed And Angry
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Posted - 2016.12.10 22:25:51 -
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Dyner wrote: I didn't mean EVE needs to compete, as in the stay relevant, but they would need to do so to make the money in the quantities that those games make...which is something any investor would be pushing for. -- It's more money for them, they'd be stupid not to.
And, as someone who had a mind for business, I would push CCP to implement 'easy money' schemes (SKINS come to mind). People were asking for them long before SKINS, but CCP choose to make SKINS a 'pay extra for' item.
...and sorry for this, but I would change EVE to be more like WoW, because I want that 15/mo 'times' 4 million people; not that 15/mo 'times' ~400,000 (this may not be accurate anymore; it's the last number I recall hearing).
I don't care if you all quit. Because I, using some formula probably, know I at least triple the number of subs for at least a couple of months.
And I'm a 'silent partner', with legally binding gag clauses so what do I care if the player base gets pissed off. I bought the company to make money not to make friends.
((Remember, this is me speaking as a business man. I love this game dearly and I don't want it to change to the point that EVE is no longer EVE. But you all need to remember, investors, typically, are like house flippers; spend as little money generate the largest possible return in the shortest amount of time. -- You get that by catering to the masses (sometimes referred to as the lowest common denominator, which is wrongly used since you're actually using the mean [or average]; the average person does not want to expend a great deal of time or effort playing -- They want to relax..not work.)))
I'm glad you have pointed out exactly how an investor thinks when they buy into something to turn a profit. You are correct about that short term profit, to hell with everything else mindset too. This investor/House Flipper mindset is exactly what the player base is worried about and you put that into words that everyone can understand.
Thanks for that.
This is exactly why there are those of us here who are voicing our concerns.
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Dyner
Zervas Aeronautics The Bastion
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Posted - 2016.12.10 22:39:00 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Quote:I don't care if you all quit. Because I, using some formula probably, know I at least triple the number of subs for at least a couple of months. I dont think such formulas exist. Else every game out there would use it. With situation like that, the relevance of said formula would become nullified and other factors would be more important, like for example current playerbase oppinion. Do we know how Star Wars Galaxies changed and what was the result? We know.
Formula probably isn't a good way of decribing, but I don't know how else would you word it.
Basically the easier a game gets the more money it will generate up to a point and after that interest drops.
Look at WoW, the best expansion they ever had was Wrath. This was the first expansion fully under Activsion (TBC was pretty much done at the time of the acquisition).
They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
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Now for SWG, I don't know...that may have been a fluke. Probably due to the IP the game was based on. Star Wars has a monumental following and everyone knows you didn't just 'become a Jedi'; you worked hard to get there....like your father and his farther before ( :P ).
I've also heard it was LucasArts that pushed for the CU patch...and they hadn't done an MMO, only modified-FPS (third person) and maybe RTS. So they may have not fully grasped that an MMO player would want things to be more difficult. And also, speaking of that, it was a different time. I bet CU would have been popular in today's MMO Player circle. |
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Posted - 2016.12.10 23:13:31 -
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I would not put so much weight on difficulty. There is so many more to it than that. For me EVE is easy, but I am a long term player. Depth, customization and consequences that feel real is what I always preferred in games. And of course pretty avatars.
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Nomistrav
Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative
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Posted - 2016.12.10 23:43:57 -
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The way this article reads isn't worth the speculation of a Threadnaught, honestly.
First paragraph: "CCP might sell the business according to people with knowledge of the matter" Second paragraph: "Here's a handful of scary sounding names of companies who's representatives didn't want to be identified" Third Paragraph (sentence, really): "No-one wants to talk about it." Fourth Paragraph: "Here's some completely unrelated evidence!" Fifth Paragraph: "Here's a cool history of CCP games." Sixth Paragraph: "Here's some financial stuff that came from a person familiar with the matter"
All fluff, no real sources. They probably got a tid-bit that CCP might be selling -a franchise- (after all, CCP Shanghai is largely independent of Rekyjavik) and just blew it out of proportion with speculation and misinformation.
But yanno, feel free to continue doomsday theorizing. Wouldn't be the first, certainly won't be the last.
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Vimsy Vortis
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My question is who would even want to buy a product that's so complicated, of niche appeal and has a history of nearly being mismanaged to death.
I'm going with Amazon, they're the only company I can think of that would be brave enough to take on such a questionably profitable product. |
Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
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Posted - 2016.12.11 01:34:51 -
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Nomistrav wrote:The way this article reads isn't worth the speculation of a Threadnaught, honestly.
First paragraph: "CCP might sell the business according to people with knowledge of the matter" Second paragraph: "Here's a handful of scary sounding names of companies who's representatives didn't want to be identified" Third Paragraph (sentence, really): "No-one wants to talk about it." Fourth Paragraph: "Here's some completely unrelated evidence!" Fifth Paragraph: "Here's a cool history of CCP games." Sixth Paragraph: "Here's some financial stuff that came from a person familiar with the matter"
All fluff, no real sources. They probably got a tid-bit that CCP might be selling -a franchise- (after all, CCP Shanghai is largely independent of Rekyjavik) and just blew it out of proportion with speculation and misinformation.
But yanno, feel free to continue doomsday theorizing. Wouldn't be the first, certainly won't be the last.
this is the best point in this thread! I wish i could get this idea before =P
But yeah, I'm 100% agree with you. No sources, nothing else. just some leaked stuff which can be really not we are thinking of in real.. and even if all this is true, no one will likely to close EVE. Simply cause that EVE is the CCP's most valuable product that brings stable income. yeah, not as much as other pay to win mmo's but still its stable. So no one would like to get rid of EVE after all.
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Dyllan Ybrex
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Nomistrav wrote:The way this article reads isn't worth the speculation of a Threadnaught, honestly.
First paragraph: "CCP might sell the business according to people with knowledge of the matter" Second paragraph: "Here's a handful of scary sounding names of companies who's representatives didn't want to be identified" Third Paragraph (sentence, really): "No-one wants to talk about it." Fourth Paragraph: "Here's some completely unrelated evidence!" Fifth Paragraph: "Here's a cool history of CCP games." Sixth Paragraph: "Here's some financial stuff that came from a person familiar with the matter"
All fluff, no real sources. They probably got a tid-bit that CCP might be selling -a franchise- (after all, CCP Shanghai is largely independent of Rekyjavik) and just blew it out of proportion with speculation and misinformation.
But yanno, feel free to continue doomsday theorizing. Wouldn't be the first, certainly won't be the last.
It's true, it's all gossip.
Honestly does anyone know how much stock in CCP has issued vs. what is outstanding? Who has the controlling stake, CCP or a third party? I'm willing to bet no one knows but CCP and the "owner(s)". This stock isn't publicly traded, and so this could be a change of shares between private parties that has no bearing on the company's day to day operations and possibly not even it's long term strategy.
Gossip, tasty doomsday gossip.
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Olleybear
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Posted - 2016.12.11 02:26:47 -
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Dyllan Ybrex wrote: Gossip, tasty doomsday gossip.
Lets hope that is all these 2 separate stories are is gossip.
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Tavin Aikisen
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Yay! Can't wait for those console ports and lockboxes!
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Agondray
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Posted - 2016.12.11 06:45:15 -
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Hrist Harkonnen wrote:The skill injectors were a huge point towards selling/giving up the game imho (cash in fast before its sunk). They prob used all their cards into this expansion and the F2P model to see if the subscription rate rose significantly but it didn't happen.
Imo CCP failed years ago to keep new blood coming AND STAYING into the game. Sadly i returned just now with the F2P thing and started this Omega character but i really dont think the game has much more time.
they failed years ago between promoting a hostile group of players between "be the bad guy, play eve" and "HTFU" followed by the eve event when they introduced the jump tunnels saying "We are at a point where we can lose players" and months later "how do we keep players"
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Flamespar
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Posted - 2016.12.11 07:01:06 -
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Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company?
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2016.12.11 07:02:14 -
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Flamespar wrote:Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company? For their intellectual property. |
Toobo
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Well, to make easy to understand comparisons, think of it like a professional football team in one of the major European leagues. Many of them have changed ownership in past decades, with very mixed results. Some teams have benefited greatly where the new owner has thrown in vast amount of money to make the team/infrastructure better, which has benefited the team's quality/performance in the league while also attracting more fans world wide.
At the same time, some teams weren't managed not so well, running into dept problems and bad managements and lack of real investment to strengthen the club's infrastructures, etc.
The bottom line is, you cannot 'judge' the future of the team (or EVE, in our case) only based on the fact that it will change ownership/will be bought by new investors, etc, unless you KNOW who the new owner will be and what he/she/they intend to do with it with what goals in mind.
At this point, even if whatever is said in the linked article is true, we have absolutely no basis to make any predictions on what impacts it will have on the game, because it is specifically mentioned clearly we do not know who the new 'owner' will be and thus we do not know what they intend to do with EVE/CCP.
It all depends on what the new owner/potential buyer intends to do with their newly acquired asset, and without knowing this everything is just gossip & speculation. If we knew the company/entity who intends to buy EVE/CCP, then yeah, maybe we can say a few things based on their past acquisition & follow up action trends. But we don't even know that yet, so what can we say? For all we know, the prospective buyer could be a huge fan of EVE who's sick of how things are being done now and wants to invest billions to make the game better - lol unlikely but the fact is we don't know. This would be completely different case from someone who wants to buy CCP and sell off its main assets & make the most profit as possible in quickest possible way.
tl;dr - companies get bought & sold all the time. Just the fact that ownership may change hands doesn't say anything, and without knowing who buys into it and what he/she/they intend to do with it, we have absolutely no basis to make any predictions or judgement on the case.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2016.12.11 07:28:03 -
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Someone between you still about dying?
I will tell you something. Recently in my country Unicredit group sold a good asset, a rougly 40% of shares of a bank that is excelently managed and giving dividends to investors, because Unicredit needed big money. It was insurance company that bought those shares. What is interesting is that this buying company isnt much bigger or better managed than bank. They even have worse reputation between investors, and the new assets will provide stability, at least if they will keep management of that bank in place, and not merge it with some other, worse bank.
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Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Just when i decided to extract my battleship skills and inject them as frigate skills in order to beggin a new life in nullsec, came this news. Now i feel like there is no future for this game, and i don't feel like wasting my time with something that shortly might not even exist or be like WoT or any other kids game.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:01:42 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Someone between you still about dying?
I will tell you something. Recently in my country Unicredit group sold a good asset, a rougly 40% of shares of a bank that is excelently managed and giving dividends to investors, because Unicredit needed big money. It was insurance company that bought those shares. What is interesting is that this buying company isnt much bigger or better managed than bank. They even have worse reputation between investors, and the new assets will provide stability, at least if they will keep management of that bank in place, and not merge it with some other, worse bank.
yeah but in that example you know who the buyer is and can make assessment on their abilities or even possible intentions behind the acquisition. What we have here is just a possible news that someone (whom we do not know) may buy EVE. We can be concerned, as inevitably this could affect the stability of the game, just as any change in ownership may do in general, but we cannot make meaningful judgement/predictions on what could/may happen based on this fact alone without knowing the potential buyer.
Just to use as a rough example, EA buying EVE and Valve buying EVE would probably be seen as having VERY different potential implications for the future of EVE, based on their past actions/reputations alone at least.
While EVE being bought by whoever may have negative consequences, I won't rule out the possibility that the new owner would/could bring good things to the game.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:23:18 -
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dhunpael wrote:Would be interesting to get an answer from the devs
If EvE is really for sale, the absolute last people you will hear bout it from are the devs.
1. They won't know about it until it's a done deal, and 2. when they do know about it, they won't be allowed to talk about it.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:27:42 -
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Yea the fact that someone wants to buy eve it isn't because of the game itself but because of their intellectual property, in this case more specifically the artwork.. as I said that and the database infrastructure are the two things they are interested on, apparently they think it's worthb1 billion.
Eve online will be shut down as we know it, the game isnt what the new owners are interested on. |
Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:29:33 -
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Flamespar wrote:Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company?
Asset stripping?
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:32:46 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Yea the fact that someone wants to buy eve it isn't because of the game itself but because of their intellectual property, in this case more specifically the artwork.. as I said that and the database infrastructure are the two things they are interested on, apparently they think it's worthb1 billion.
Eve online will be shut down as we know it, the game isnt what the new owners are interested on.
It's precisely this kind of speculation that I don't believe in. Do you know who the new owners will be? How can you say that someone you don't even know will be interested in something or not? How can you speculate on 'intentions' behind purchasing EVE without even knowing who the buyer may be?
I'm not ruling out that you could be right in your statement, because it could turn out to be true, but you have absolutely no basis to make such estimate. It's just as wild of a guess as any blind shot in the dark can be.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22174
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:50:48 -
[170] - Quote
We are left in a dark room with our fears.
Halp!
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1269
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:51:35 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:We have to consider also that the VR games may well be the future while MMOs are "old hat".
Look at the FPS genre for example. They offer customization of equipment and to some extent skills. These are Eve-ish qualities that are selling points for the game. I think Eve loses customers to the proliferation of character and skill customization, be they via P2W or other means, in other games that have much less grind to them.
In the greater picture, with the best of what MMOs have to offer without having to maintain the worst of MMOs while taking games into advanced VR technology, the MMORPG risks becoming a dinosaur. Possibly the changes to the client camera reflect some thought towards Eve not being entirely sent out to pasture. But it does risk becoming the old folks home for gamers still stuck in the 1995-2010 period.
VR is the bluetooth of the gaming industry. Or the 3D TV of it:
"It will totally work so good next year." said everyone everywhere since the 1980s. About all these things.
I'm not disagreeing with you in the sense that investors see the world this way.
I just disagree with them. Which is why I'm so filthy rich. Because disagreeing with investors basically makes you rich. 60% of the time, it works none of the time. And the other 60% . . . that doesn't work either. :(
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Josef Djugashvilis
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Posted - 2016.12.11 08:55:52 -
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If CCP is sold, then it will be a case of, 'watch what they (the new owners) do' not what they say.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
343
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:09:29 -
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Glathull wrote:
VR is the bluetooth of the gaming industry. Or the 3D TV of it:
"It will totally work so good next year." said everyone everywhere since the 1980s. About all these things.
I'm not disagreeing with you in the sense that investors see the world this way.
I just disagree with them. Which is why I'm so filthy rich. Because disagreeing with investors basically makes you rich. 60% of the time, it works none of the time. And the other 60% . . . that doesn't work either. :(
I have been very skeptical of VR, but Facebook & Youtube support & commitment to this has changed my mind/outlook somewhat, coupled with some personal experiences I've had.
VR 'gaming' specifically, there may be immediate limitations for its growth. But VR tech that facilitates more social interactions/experiences, or what Microsoft is doing with Augmented Reality, I think the audience and potential there is much bigger than whatever VR 'games' that people of the old fantasized about.
In a very personal experience - I have a very young child now, whom I'm not living with at the moment because various RL :reasons:. But sometimes I watch her videos/pictures using very cheap/simple cardboard set up - these are not even true VR, just 2D screen shown in more immersive setting, and the feeling & the experience is amazing, to see my daughter as if she's really in front of me.
Even my own parents, who are not interested at all in any VR stuff, have tried very simple cardbox set up to check out pics/videos of their grand daughter, and they found it quite special.
Not everyone IRL would be interested in VR experience that is geared towards fantasy/gaming/whatever, but I think there are potential to bring this together with more conventional notion of 'shared social experience', where you can put yourself in a social situation that you could not be there in person, like the examples I've mentioned here - parents/grandparents seeing their children.
Would my dad, who's almost 70, ever buy VR to play games? No, never. Would he buy basic VR stuff so he can 'be there' for his grand childrens' birthdays and school events and such which he could not make in person, filmed with 360 videos? Probably yes, if it was as easy to use as youtube & facebook is now.
Would professional designers/engineers be playing VR games much? maybe not. Would they use Microsoft augmented reality (holo lens it's called now I think?) for work purposes if it facilitated something actually productive? definitely yes.
I think all the major players in VR are now aware of & exploring such other potentials that's not strictly bound to 'games', and I think this is where the real potential lies for this technology.
Even at my own work, in the past there have been discussions of me going to the site with a head mounted cam and the specialist engineer on the opposite half of the globe getting the live video feeds and giving me instructions on how to fix things. that needs to be fixed urgently.
It can already be done without VR/AR to some extent, but I can think of many possible uses where it would make business sense to use them, and I'm not even that tech savy specialist, so I'm sure there are millions of other potential productive uses that specialists can think of.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8060
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:17:57 -
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If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.
I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.
The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?
As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.
Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"
Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.
They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.
I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".
They will think we were crazy.
What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.
But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.
The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.
But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else. So can ISK. So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!".
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
262
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:22:55 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Flamespar wrote:Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company? For their intellectual property. What intellectual property? CCP is EVE and thats it. VR is near!!! break even but nothing that is so exceptional that it is worth 1B. They have knowledge in MMO but nothing that made a big success like eve. So the real asset of CCP is EVE and thats the only thing that might justify such a high price.
And the high price is something that is worrying me. If you pay 1B you are likely to expect something like 30-50M yearly and I don't see CCP able to make this amount of money without cutting back on development which will hurt Eve in the long run. |
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:23:22 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:. . . as I said that and the database infrastructure are the two things they are interested on, apparently they think it's worthb1 billion.
You're just wrong about that. There's extremely little about EvE's technology stack that is interesting in and of itself. If you mean database infrastructure as in the actual hardware . . . ummm no one buys a company for hardware. If you mean that there's something interesting or novel about the data model itself, you're also wrong. I'm not saying it's boring or that a lot of effort wasn't put into it. But the EvE devs haven't re-envisioned the data storage model itself in the way that, say, google did with big table or something along those lines.
The one thing that EvE devs have done that's interesting and novel is get the Python language to perform extremely well. The devs who work on EvE are probably some of the best in the world at getting this one particular language to perform at its best and to also do so with a reasonable concurrency model. They are also big contributors to the pypy implementation of the language as opposed to the CPython version.
No investor cares that much about a programming language, and certainly not a games investor. Games are mostly written in very different languages with lower-level abstractions and code that is closer to the metal.
There is a case to be made for buying the intellectual property itself. But it has nothing to do with the technology.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
540
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:30:49 -
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What would happen to EO, truly is the question.
I've played quite a few MMORPG's, and many of these older games are still around under different mangement.
EQ and EQ2 are now under Daybreak. UO is now EA, I think. DOaC was rescued by an indie company now.+
Some are gone, like SW: Galaxies.
The big problem that I see with EvE and other older games is the single world we play in. The new owners can't shut down an underpopulated server to cut costs. Of course that could be EvE's saving grace should it change hands.
I'm in a listen and verify state of mind.
I don't mind speculation, if it's kept within reason (or obviously meant not to be taken seriously).
--Gadget
*Yes, I consider EvE to be one +And I'm looking forward to Comelot Unchained.
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8060
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:55:03 -
[178] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:What would happen to EO, truly is the question.
I've played quite a few MMORPG's, and many of these older games are still around under different mangement.
EQ and EQ2 are now under Daybreak. UO is now EA, I think. DOaC was rescued by an indie company now.+
Some are gone, like SW: Galaxies.
The big problem that I see with EvE and other older games is the single world we play in. The new owners can't shut down an underpopulated server to cut costs. Of course that could be EvE's saving grace should it change hands.
I'm in a listen and verify state of mind.
I don't mind speculation, if it's kept within reason (or obviously meant not to be taken seriously).
--Gadget
*Yes, I consider EvE to be one +And I'm looking forward to Comelot Unchained.
DAoC was rescued?
Oh man the memories. Towards the end of my time there I had some bull-head minotaur dude named "People Fighter". I was set up for brutal close range DPS. Entire gangs of casters would run from me. That was over 10 years ago.
In all honesty, seeing Eve change hands is only going to be an excuse to break out some good popcorn in the event that the new owners are against ganking, griefing, and scamming. I don't think getting rid of those things would save the day any more than keeping them has prolonged it. But the tears of the HTFU crowd would be one last final good drink before the lights go out.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1269
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:58:55 -
[179] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:What would happen to EO, truly is the question.
I've played quite a few MMORPG's, and many of these older games are still around under different mangement.
EQ and EQ2 are now under Daybreak. UO is now EA, I think. DOaC was rescued by an indie company now.+
Some are gone, like SW: Galaxies.
The big problem that I see with EvE and other older games is the single world we play in. The new owners can't shut down an underpopulated server to cut costs. Of course that could be EvE's saving grace should it change hands.
I'm in a listen and verify state of mind.
I don't mind speculation, if it's kept within reason (or obviously meant not to be taken seriously).
--Gadget
*Yes, I consider EvE to be one +And I'm looking forward to Comelot Unchained.
I wish that all games companies would make a pact with their users: if we get shut down, we will open source the code. If you want to put together a cluster of machines and do the work to get it running after the company dies, you certainly may do so.
I would love to have my own private Star Wars: Galaxies instance running, and I'd be wiling to pay for the hardware to do it well enough for a few people. No cash, no profit, nothing like that. Just playing with a couple of buddies.
If EvE ever gets shut down, I hope that as a last act of faith in the community they've built over the last 13 years, the devs would make this happen.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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The Devils Cousin
Evian Industries EVIAN NATION
12
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Posted - 2016.12.11 09:59:40 -
[180] - Quote
Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up...
If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold |
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8060
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Posted - 2016.12.11 10:07:24 -
[181] - Quote
The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold
How?
Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas?
(I feel like burning stuff now)
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5384
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Posted - 2016.12.11 10:46:09 -
[182] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.
I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.
The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?
As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.
Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"
Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.
They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.
I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".
They will think we were crazy.
What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.
But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.
The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.
But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else. So can ISK. So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!".
EVE is fading away because it's old, outdated, and comitted to never change that. They have a core custoemr base and gave up on the rest of the playerbase. In my eyes, as one of the players left behind, CCP could had split its efforts and keep everybody happy with their subscription money. Make Citadel 10% less awesome for PvP multiplayers and do something for the PvE, highsec and solo crowds. But that's the past. EVE's future is already written, and probably it will go into maintenance mode by 2018 once they finish the Rubicon Plan. Maybe this would had happen no matter the what; maybe adding new PvE dungeons with each release would just caused a greater disappointment on PvE players by giving them hopes that CCP appreciate their playstyle.
Anyone buying CCP should be aware of this. CCP's main asset is profitable but in a irreversible decline and their new assets are in a high risk market with dim prospects and dangerous competition. Also that potential buyer should know that CCP can't revert the decline of EVE Online because that decline is a natural consequence of CCP's corporate culture, and changing that corporate culture would quickly destroy the software's ability to keep working. So if you buy EVE Online, you buy it as a declining legacy MMO with a few good years left before dying. CCP can't un-CCP EVE Online, and what was once CCP'ed will die CCP'ed.
CCP has proven time and again that they're a one trick pony. But, what SPLENDIFEROUS trick they pulled! |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
346
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Posted - 2016.12.11 11:13:48 -
[183] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now)
Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success.
EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.
It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game.
I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.12.11 12:57:34 -
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I feel like not even starting the game :( |
Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
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Posted - 2016.12.11 13:12:22 -
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seriously most of ideas here are completely insane... We dont know a ****. why we should think that EVE is done? and as you know, EVE is "dead" since 2003! And EVE is "dying" after ANY damn update CCP is realeasing.....
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22196
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Posted - 2016.12.11 13:45:06 -
[186] - Quote
I think that company that would buy them to close them would have to be very, very rich. So rich they would become crazy from all this wealth.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ Osprey
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2Sonas1Cup
175
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Posted - 2016.12.11 14:28:34 -
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The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold
I can not wait for this day any longer, tired of CCP and their orthodox methods of dealing with game community of 2016. That is the biggest reason why this game isnt anymore the game it once was.
And that is where blizzard shines the most, they know how to deal with their players perfectly and they know what people want and need, contrary to the "old fart" called ccp. |
Singur Augurao
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
10
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Posted - 2016.12.11 15:51:57 -
[188] - Quote
I have it on good authority that Andy Lunique from Microsoft is on a plane to iceland for high level talks as we speak. (yesterday)
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
8
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Posted - 2016.12.11 16:43:08 -
[189] - Quote
Ok if this is really Microsoft, they will want to buy only VR technology. believe me! not EVE Online. thats for sure. its just not Microsoft's profile... |
Astraxo Ablon
Republic University Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2016.12.11 17:09:51 -
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I am out. History speaks for it self. |
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.12.11 19:01:45 -
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Astraxo Ablon wrote:I am out. History speaks for it self. Astraxo Ablon [Date of Birth: 2016-11-28 03:43]
After all the blood, sweat and tears you put into the game.
It'll be real shame to see you go.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Snyzer Erata
State War Academy Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2016.12.11 22:49:23 -
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Toobo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success. EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described. It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game. I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around.
Blizzard sucks. I've never understood the success of wow. The game was an everquest clone. EQ had similar quests, EQ had similar raids, EQ had similar group style. Actually EQ2 is far superior than WoW.
Actually diablo 3 also sucked but people play it by pure fanboyism.
If blizzard buy eve, they do not need to change anything in the game. Blizzard fanboys would simply start playing eve by pure fanboyism.
Please excuse any grammatical errors and sorry for any misspellings. English is not my native language. I'm from brazil.
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Krima Sumyungi
Perkone Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2016.12.11 23:33:14 -
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Kiaksar2142 wrote:Ok if this is really Microsoft, they will want to buy only VR technology. believe me! not EVE Online. thats for sure. its just not Microsoft's profile...
Yup. Every mmo Microsoft has ever been involved with either never made it to launch, or died a fiery death afterwards. |
Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8306
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Posted - 2016.12.11 23:45:39 -
[194] - Quote
Toobo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success. EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described.
EVE is already a commercial success. It doesn't need the same numbers WOW got to be that. People are quick to forget that EVE is a good year older than WOW as well. I realise that a lot of people think that if a lot of people like something, it must be good, but that's simply not true. A lot of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, too. Popularity =/= quality. The problem is, the vast majority of people are actually just blind to what quality is. They're very simple. You can hand them a hotdog, tell em it's a gourmet meal, and they'll believe it. Then you take em to a gourmet restaurant, and they'll wonder why hotdogs aren't on the menu.
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Avaelica Kuershin
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now)
Could be far worse than that:
"You alone are the capsuleer who will defend New Eden from the Drifter Legions!"
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
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Snyzer Erata wrote:
Blizzard sucks. I've never understood the success of wow. The game was an everquest clone. EQ had similar quests, EQ had similar raids, EQ had similar group style. Actually EQ2 is far superior than WoW.
Actually diablo 3 also sucked but people play it by pure fanboyism.
If blizzard buy eve, they do not need to change anything in the game. Blizzard fanboys would simply start playing eve by pure fanboyism.
To understands WoW's popularity you need to understand two things.
First, WoW changed the genre. For all of EverQuests's name... Questing wan't how you progressed. Grinding mobs was how it was done before WoW. Also, in WoW multiple classes could 'solo' to the end game using the questing system rather than just a few. And Multi-boxing, actually took multiple boxes to do. This meant that players didn't have to fumble around finding a group. Just jump in by yourself and go, and keep going until you were 60 and then were introduced to End-Game play.
Second, Warcraft the RTS was popular, and Blizzard drove that Hype train and was able to reach non-MMO players.
These two things made WoW most people's first MMO, so it set the standard. And, to be honest, for what it was at the time, it wasn't a bad game. Sure, my EvE instincts scoff at playing it now, but when it first came out... it was fun. Even coming directly from Shadowbane.
It was fun because regular gamers of all ilks could gravitate to WoW and enjoy themselves. My Warhammer friends were drawn in from the table-top strategy side, as were my RTS friends (usually the same peeps). My PnP friends balked at video games in general, but this was something that we could play together and didn't take a second life's worth of time in order to succeed.
Also... WoW moved smoother than earlier MMO's... Cartoony, but that made it easier to look polished. The bit of silliness and humor helped as well.
Now, times have changed, and we've got newer and snazzier stuff on the market. Much of it came in on WoW's coattails trying to earn a buck through copying the WoW formula, some came trying to knock WoW of place. Many didn't last the time of a single WoW expansion...
WoW has earned it's place in history. Love it or hate it, it's going to be a marker from now on, even after it shuts down.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
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Orlacc
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Posted - 2016.12.12 01:24:53 -
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dhunpael wrote:Would be interesting to get an answer from the devs
Devs probably know as muchas we do....
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Alessienne Ellecon
Solitude Rangers
66
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Lasisha Mishi wrote:considering EVE and WoW are 2 long running games
i'd bet activision has all its staff currently looking into how to get in on it.
i don't know if that scares me or not.....
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MAS0RAKSH
Black Serpent Technologies The-Culture
17
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:MAS0RAKSH wrote:CCP giving some detail might be a good thing. Saying nothing gives the impression that whoever it is, they don't want a part of eve, but the whole enchilada for almost a bil. they're not a charity and will want a good return on investment which means milking the players for as much as we're willing to tolerate.
was gonna have a $1k custom build PC ordered today, but read that little bit of news and didn't. thanks CCP for declining to comment. hungry children in asia and mexico building cheap parts aren't going to eat tonight. No worries, GadgetCorp has ya covered! Once I get off work. Fridays are toooo long at this time of year. --Bored Gadget
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Toobo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success. EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described. EVE is already a commercial success. It doesn't need the same numbers WOW got to be that. People are quick to forget that EVE is a good year older than WOW as well. I realise that a lot of people think that if a lot of people like something, it must be good, but that's simply not true. A lot of people like Justin Bieber and One Direction, too. Popularity =/= quality. The problem is, the vast majority of people are actually just blind to what quality is. They're very simple. You can hand them a hotdog, tell em it's a gourmet meal, and they'll believe it. Then you take em to a gourmet restaurant, and they'll wonder why hotdogs aren't on the menu.
Ramiel, I see what you mean, and I don't honestly think Blizzard will 'mkae EVE better', and that's why I said they may be 'successful' with it, but it probably won't be EVE we love now.
And I won't argue with you on the 'quality' aspect of your point either. I will never try to 'defend' thr 'quality' of Justin Bieber's music (lol). But I highly doubt Justin Bieber cares about this either when he looks at his bank account. Personally, if I could, I wouldn't mind making sh1t music and doing silly dance, if that earns me a few million $ per year.
That's all I meant. Blizzard has a knack for finding/making something that has mass appeal that's very easy for the casual and non initiates to the genre can immediately jump onboard and enjoy, and most importantly, cough up cash for.
That's all I meant. I don't think they (or anyone else) will do EVE 'better' than CCP. But just from purely commercial point of view they could probably increase the subs more and make more money out of it, which probably kills EVE as we know it and the people who love it mow may all leave it, but they could probably make it a successful commercial project
EDIT: That is NOT to say EVE hasn't been a success so far, but in this capitalist world we live in, there's always more money to be made, and if there is possibility to make more, companies would do things to achieve that goal. Surely CCP can mill more money out of it too, I bet they are capable of it. But despite my cycinism, I do believe they do care about at least keeping EVE as EVE, so so far they are not milking it to the extent that ruins the game. If acquires by another company though, it is entirely possible that a new owner won't mind milking it to death within X number of years as they see fit, if they feel that it makes more financial sense for them/suit their need.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Arcelian
Metentis
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Posted - 2016.12.12 05:27:10 -
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A lot of angst and worry, over pretty much nothing.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.12 05:28:11 -
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I doubt it would change much regarding EVE.
Investors just want their returns.
New investors may have other things they are interested in but EVE is the core product.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8071
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Posted - 2016.12.12 05:59:30 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If you would look at CCP's lineup, the money is in their newer developments. Eve Online is the aging showgirl. She's got legacy, experience, and tenure. But she's just getting old too.
I don't think CCP would be bought for Eve Online. Heck the F2P/P2W monetization effort looks like it was done to make it less of a drag on the overall portfolio.
The risk here is, what would happen to EO? Would a new owner see only a future in the other products and "dump that old MMO"?
As I said before, the old models of MMO is becoming a drag compared to skill and equipment customization options seen in other games that lack grind and drama. It appears to have started around 2010. Game developers are not as static as some of their classes and functions. They observe and adapt. Gear and skill customization in FPS games was a big hit. In Eve Online it took time, and lots of it, until skill extraction/injection. In WoW there was skill grinding. I left WoW at the end of 2007 (almost a decade!) but I to even think of "crafting" makes me want to burn things.
Now I know what will come from this "Hurf blurf!!! Quick gratification! HTFU!"
Sorry, but grinding and waiting just to die in a fire was never "good game" (except for at best 400K people who like abuse). The thing ultimately is this: we are talking about a GAME here. While quick gratification may be a bad thing IRL (see r/K selection theory), it's not going to hurt anything by steering for it in a GAME. That is, people log in to play a game and want to be entertained. They have all day at their jobs and other obligations to be making longer term investments and make an effort towards faith, patience, and perseverance. So they do enough of that IRL to pay their bills, make those grades, support their families.
They don't want to log into a game just to get more of that during what little spare time they might have.
I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".
They will think we were crazy.
What I hope for personally is that the Eve "brand" expands outside of the bounds of the dinosaur MMO model and the genre continues on that vector that it appeared to be edging towards some years ago. Someone at one time did have that dream, that this would be more than a game. It was to be a community, with an entire storyline, and a history. There were chronicles, novels, live events that players would make history in, etc.
But the player base said "muh ISK/stats everything else is a waste!" and they started having tantrums. CCP listened.
The game got boring because it was just a game after all that. Then players started to realize they could weaponize that boredom. From that came the Great Malaise of 2014 and the golden age is not coming back.
But I don't think this is the end. We might lose the MMO. An idea that at one time might have seemed impossible. After all, all that time building SP - oh wait it does not take time now, and existing SP can be "converted" to something else. So can ISK. So bittervets are not going to be shown the door. They will still be bitter though. Maybe some aspect of legacy Eve will always be kept around as a low priority so vets can ship spin and grimace at everything else, saying things like "these damned kids today don't know what they are missing!". EVE is fading away because it's old, outdated, and comitted to never change that. They have a core custoemr base and gave up on the rest of the playerbase. In my eyes, as one of the players left behind, CCP could had split its efforts and keep everybody happy with their subscription money. Make Citadel 10% less awesome for PvP multiplayers and do something for the PvE, highsec and solo crowds. But that's the past. EVE's future is already written, and probably it will go into maintenance mode by 2018 once they finish the Rubicon Plan. Maybe this would had happen no matter the what; maybe adding new PvE dungeons with each release would just caused a greater disappointment on PvE players by giving them hopes that CCP appreciate their playstyle. Anyone buying CCP should be aware of this. CCP's main asset is profitable but in a irreversible decline and their new assets are in a high risk market with dim prospects and dangerous competition. Also that potential buyer should know that CCP can't revert the decline of EVE Online because that decline is a natural consequence of CCP's corporate culture, and changing that corporate culture would quickly destroy the software's ability to keep working. So if you buy EVE Online, you buy it as a declining legacy MMO with a few good years left before dying. CCP can't un-CCP EVE Online, and what was once CCP'ed will die CCP'ed. CCP has proven time and again that they're a one trick pony. But, what SPLENDIFEROUS trick they pulled!
Aye good ideas there. But you might know how marketers think. I do. Much chance that someone will come along and make a play at "one last great surge". And you know what that means. They'll be giving away the store. In many ways it already feels like the store is being given away. That is, the content in the game is better than ever, but the game is still in decline. I could wax poetic about how all of the new stuff added since 2014 would have been nerdgasm level epic back in say 2009-2013.
Now it's mostly "meh". It's not bad stuff. IMO the developers of this game have done an extraordinary job. But all that good development and new content has the appearance of wasted effort.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.12.12 06:09:35 -
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Toobo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success. EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described. It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game. I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around.
Your comments lend to my theory. Eve is not going to die. It's going to have as much lasting power as Firefly (unless they make Wil Wheaton the voice of Aura and the game does die with one big "Shut up, Wesley!"). Notice I don't say Star Wars or Star Trek. Eve is just not mainstream enough. Would it ever be in the future? You never know. Somebody might make a movie based on it or a series of novels might get written. Maybe there will be a perfect storm for this VR stuff and the Eve genre is in the right place at the right time.
But yeah, it will certainly change. The MMO is becoming the anachronism, they all are. It's getting harder then ever to find anybody under 35 who plays them. I have a nephew in college and he qualifies to have his portrait as the definition for the word "gamer" in the dictionary. I asked him about MMORPG/MMO games a few weeks ago and he looked at me like I was making inside jokes based on Land of the Lost reruns.
(Yeah I'm old)
And again, since SP and ISK have become more "convertible" I don't think players who have much invested in the game thus far, noobs and bittervets alike, are going to be dumped in the evolution. Notice that having lots of SP is now meaningless. I used to boast about my 80 million SP now I would get told "80 mil dude you don't need that get some extractors". Having lots of SP meaningless means that having played the game for a long time is meaningless too. This is not a complaint, just stating the fact. It's no big deal in the end.
A good time was had by all.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8071
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Posted - 2016.12.12 06:13:38 -
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Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Could be far worse than that: "You alone are the capsuleer who will defend New Eden from the Drifter Legions!" (I have a dislike of the "chosen one" trope)
Now I need a flamethrower.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.12 06:20:01 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".
They will think we were crazy.
Instant gratification is a market bubble.
Granted, there's always a market for instant gratification, but culture moves in cycles. We are approaching an "achievement" cycle, comparable to how pre-depression entitlement culture gave way to post-war social achievement culture. EVE is uniquely positioned to take advantage of that shift, and do amazing things. What I am much less sure of is if CCP can execute. If CCP can survive the next 10 years, keeping EVE afloat with it, EVE will be able to catch a cultural wave that it can ride for a hundred years. The part that makes me nervous is that CCP still doesn't seem to understand what makes people care about EVE. They don't seem to understand the narrative, what people experience while they are learning EVE.
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Canon Makanen
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Do we have any chances to have some formal reply regarding this rumors and reports from Bloomberg, as we all concern about our favorite game and its future. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Canon Makanen wrote:Do we have any chances to have some formal reply regarding this rumors and reports from Bloomberg, as we all concern about our favorite game and its future. Two chances most likely:
None and Buckley's
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Kenrailae
mind games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.12.12 08:17:49 -
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'loose lips sink ships' and all that. We won't get an official post until any deal is done, so as to not damage that deal one way or another. Not that this rumor or leak(whichever it is)getting started hasn't already driven a large spike of uncertainty into a large portion of the player base, even the most hardcore fan will be watching to see what happens if for no other reason than because they want to know, no matter how 'unworried' they say they are, it's vague enough to not cause a mass unsub overnight.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2016.12.12 09:24:25 -
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mkint wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: I foresee a future where the Eve Online MMO is going to go by the wayside. No "eve is dying" though. The "brand" will go on for a long time. Heck a day will come when kids are playing some Eve-based VR stuff or FPS/combat and we'll be saying "yeah back in my day, it was a subscription MMO system and it took a while to get into a fight, needing time to get skills and materials to build and fly ships".
They will think we were crazy.
Instant gratification is a market bubble. Granted, there's always a market for instant gratification, but culture moves in cycles. We are approaching an "achievement" cycle, comparable to how pre-depression entitlement culture gave way to post-war social achievement culture. EVE is uniquely positioned to take advantage of that shift, and do amazing things. What I am much less sure of is if CCP can execute. If CCP can survive the next 10 years, keeping EVE afloat with it, EVE will be able to catch a cultural wave that it can ride for a hundred years. The part that makes me nervous is that CCP still doesn't seem to understand what makes people care about EVE. They don't seem to understand the narrative, what people experience while they are learning EVE.
Now that is very interesting. You may be right.
And in the future, as before, more skins and tiericide are not going to be the best answer.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Hey, I dont understand how it is outdated, It aged well, extremely well for me, maybe because they redesigned much of the assets and spaceships that needed it. The art direction is consistent and is pleasurable to eye, despite some particular obvious no-no's forgotten in some places.
But when I see just a normal wiev outside station when I come from it, it looks good, the combat is looking great, camera options are customizable enough for me to keep screen not shaking and dont give me seizures. There is potential for a sci-fi freak to do what you want and how much you want, and dont even pay a $, because its free now. I really think its an enjoyable package.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
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Lexia Hunter
Pirate Cartel
0
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I want to see what CCP have to say. This is all speculation at the moment.
Come on CCP Say something. |
Don Pera Saissore
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CCP Falcon wrote:Nope, and please keep your feedback to the appropriate thread.
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Ben Johannson
Evil Young Flesh
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Whole businesses aren't sold to raise money for improving the business you no longer own. They're sold so the existing investors can cash out and move on. This was inevitable when the owners consist of private equity and venture capital. |
Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
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100% that Microsoft won't bother with EVE Online. they have failed so much times with mmo's. they will simply afraid to mess with it. so as i said before, if its Microsoft, they were there only for VR technology. CCP is not that stupid to sell its dollar generating machine =D |
Viktor Hadah
Negative-Impact DARKNESS.
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I can't roll my eyes hard enough over all this speculation.
CCP has not been owned by CCP for a long time. It has always been for sale for the right price in theory. If someone like EA really wanted it that badly i assure you they would have acquired it. Everyone is thinking of this acquisition from a gamer stand point instead of a business stand point. I don't see it being very likely that it is acquired by another video game company.
EVE has been around for over 10 years and is a relatively stable game it would be extremely imprudent for the new owner to come in and try to change everything around. Chances are if(and a big if at that) if CCP changes hands f*ck all is going to happen to it surface level wise. Pretty much like when it was first acquired years ago.
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.12.12 12:40:55 -
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/mkint
Considering what has been happening around the world in recent times, not to mention some of the big events of this year, I really do not see how our world is entering age of 'achievement'. Either we are understanding the terms very differently, or looking at the different world, or we are looking at the same world but interpreting it in very different ways.
In any case, that's more got to do with social changes & world view, so perhaps not the most natural topic for GD, so I won't pick on that much here. :p
/Herzog,
aye, times are changing, both IRL and in the 'gaming world'. I do not want to keep going on about other specific companies here, but the Blizzard example is actually a very good one, a success story. 'Serious critiques' (whatever that may mean) may point fingers at how what they have done is not that original and there were other preceding games that introduced the new ideas, etc, but history (and numbers) will always remember them as having had massive commercial success with great mass appeal. That may not make their games 'better', but certainly they know how to make something with the right production quality and balance, that will sell like hot cakes.
What's also impressive with Blizz is that they have done it in different genres. They had Star Craft/War Craft (RTS), they had Diablo (Diabolo III not as massive hit as it could have been but I don't think they 'lost' any money on that), WoW, and now doing it with Overwatch (FPS).
All their games, old enough gamers will be able to point to other games that have 'done' it before Blizzard came along, and 'pioneered', but I don't think Blizzard cares about those fine points, they managed to grab the genre and turn them into blockbuster hits - quality? you could argue, but ticket sales? they are the kings.
EVE, I love it for what it is, despite its fault, and I do believe CCP does EVE better than anybody ever will, but that's because we are already EVE players and we have expectations of what this game should be. But EVE could change, under the ownership with someone else (if they do decide to interfere with the game's direction/visions), and yes, us existing players may hate it, but it can end up becoming a massive commercial success.
I can see a few ways it can work. Dumb it down to the level that will make bitter vets cry, make more casual/instantly accessible actions/PVPs, introduce avatar play with silly (but undeiably cute) emotes & clothings, drive the old boys (and girls) out and fill it with millions of teenagers and college students, make it something ridiculous, but fun, and addictive, with spoon fed PVE contents with plenty of gimmicks, set pieces and cinematics.
Yeah, that would make all the bitter vets cry, but I can see it work, and unlike some of the other EVE players I have always enjoyed the 'other side' of the gaming spectrum (for me, Star Craft, War Craft, WoW, and Overwatch, have all been AWESOME games). I would be sad we lose 'EVE' as we know it, but since I can and do enjoy games other than EVE, I probably continue to enjoy this 'new EVE' as a new game, and probably show boat around the new universe as a 'ghost from the previous generation' because every other serious EVE player of now has left, lol.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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2Sonas1Cup
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Posted - 2016.12.12 12:45:09 -
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rip eve cash out before it's too late guys **** is going down |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Doom is near! \o/ Buy those ship SKINs while you still can.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.12 13:54:42 -
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Toobo wrote:/mkint
Considering what has been happening around the world in recent times, not to mention some of the big events of this year, I really do not see how our world is entering age of 'achievement'. Either we are understanding the terms very differently, or looking at the different world, or we are looking at the same world but interpreting it in very different ways.
In any case, that's more got to do with social changes & world view, so perhaps not the most natural topic for GD, so I won't pick on that much here. :p
Like I said, we've got about 10 years for the current cultural cycle (which has been consistently repeating over hundreds of years, maybe longer) to go through its transition. Last time (in the 1940's-1950's) the transition was quick. At least according to people who study these things. Even if the cycle fails this time, CCP is in a position to turn EVE into an "establishment" the same way a lot of the WW2 business became establishments by being the sole providers of unique products, the way IBM still fills the same fundamental needs for businesses that it has for generations. That is, assuming CCP can even figure out what it is people are getting out of EVE (hint: EVE isn't the cheap disposable garbage of companies with limited longevity.)
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.
Why every prophet wants to bring it back?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
543
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Posted - 2016.12.12 14:06:42 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.
Why every prophet wants to bring it back?
2016 isn't done with us yet...
Starting to think the Mayans were off by a couple of years.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
10
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Posted - 2016.12.12 14:58:46 -
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Seriously, you guys dont know anything and already burying the game... this is all very bad =/ |
radkid10
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
46
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:26:27 -
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instead of selling your company CCP start a crowdfunding thing and have people donate to your company to keep it going |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
128
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Geronimo McVain wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Flamespar wrote:Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company? For their intellectual property. What intellectual property? CCP is EVE and thats it. VR is near!!! break even but nothing that is so exceptional that it is worth 1B. They have knowledge in MMO but nothing that made a big success like eve. So the real asset of CCP is EVE and thats the only thing that might justify such a high price. And the high price is something that is worrying me. If you pay 1B you are likely to expect something like 30-50M yearly and I don't see CCP able to make this amount of money without cutting back on development which will hurt Eve in the long run. The IP for a whole universe can be quite valuable. Just ask City of Heroes. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
128
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:50:52 -
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Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:But I thought we were past the limit of planet conjunctions heralding doom.
Why every prophet wants to bring it back? 2016 isn't done with us yet... Starting to think the Mayans were off by a couple of years. --Gadget Yeah, I mean when predicting thousands of years in advance error is likely... Forgetting to divide by 0 orrrr well you know. |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
578
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:54:36 -
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First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
Second, Eve is profitable so it's not going away. Threats of players quitting would just make things worse for Eve.
Positive Outlook: CCP management is already milking Eve to fund other projects and cutting costs to attract buyers. New buyer infuses new enthusiasm, ideas, talent and cash into the game.
Pessimistic Outlook: CCP is purchased by a company that only wants the VR IP and doesn't care about Eve and just milks all the profit out of the game and drastically cuts development & support. New management is oppressive and existing staff quits.
But again, none of this is happening soon --> enjoy the game.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
544
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Posted - 2016.12.12 15:55:16 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Geronimo McVain wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Flamespar wrote:Honestly the fact that there are people willing to buy the company probably indicates that CCP is doing quite well. Why would anyone invest in a dying company? For their intellectual property. What intellectual property? CCP is EVE and thats it. VR is near!!! break even but nothing that is so exceptional that it is worth 1B. They have knowledge in MMO but nothing that made a big success like eve. So the real asset of CCP is EVE and thats the only thing that might justify such a high price. And the high price is something that is worrying me. If you pay 1B you are likely to expect something like 30-50M yearly and I don't see CCP able to make this amount of money without cutting back on development which will hurt Eve in the long run. The IP for a whole universe can be quite valuable. Just ask City of Heroes.
Quafe in every convenience store.
EvE ships on luchboxes.
EvE toddler clothes ("Little Nullbear")
Eve diapers! (true sh!tfits...)
EvE CCG... (hell, I'd collect them if they looked cool).
EvE the flamethrower.
and so on.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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2Sonas1Cup
176
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Posted - 2016.12.12 16:13:20 -
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Shiloh Templeton wrote:First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through.
Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact. |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
544
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Posted - 2016.12.12 16:23:09 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through. Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.
Once again.... Citation Needed.
Speculation is all well and good - and even fun and/or therapeutic.
But that's not what you're doing. You're scare mongering. This is EvE, not pizzaagate.
We don't need random peeps showing up in Atlanta offices with rifles "asking questions".
Back up your direct facts, or stick with speculation.
--Concerned Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Othran
Route One
750
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Posted - 2016.12.12 17:00:07 -
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Given CCP's past investors I really don't think future investors are likely to be... more problematic? I think that's about the only way I can put this without getting my arse sued into oblivion
Eve (core game) is a cash cow - has been for years and is even more so now given (massively) reduced power/cooling requirements on the physical hardware. You could probably feature-freeze Eve now & it'd still be going in 5-10 years time.
The rest of CCPs endeavours have ranged from "good try" to "wtf were you thinking writing your own engine with zero experience?". Their VR stuff is nice but not unique or groundbreaking. Also the market for $1000/Gé¼1000 game rigs for VR isn't large - or even small for now.
tl;dr - if someone buys CCP & messes with the core game (the one which gets news coverage) then the very best of luck selling any of the rest of the Eve "franchise" in later games. |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1547
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Posted - 2016.12.12 17:09:27 -
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They mentioned TenCent. Oh god plz no.
Also, does anyone actually believe CCP's worth has gone from 300M to 900M in the last 2 years?
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Othran
Route One
750
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Posted - 2016.12.12 17:19:38 -
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Soldarius wrote:Also, does anyone actually believe CCP's worth has gone from 300M to 900M in the last 2 years?
Yes.
What percentage return are you getting on your investments/bank balance/etc & do you have a nice currency balance of Euro/dollar/pound to minimise risk on that?
I bet its a LOT less than the return from Eve - and you probably don't get to offset costs so much either
Their value rises because if you strip out stuff like Dust/Valkyrie/etc then you find an exceptionally profitable core product. Eve.
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1547
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Posted - 2016.12.12 18:10:41 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Toobo wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:The Devils Cousin wrote:Jake Warbird wrote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... If blizz took over this game would improve ten fold How? Kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas? (I feel like burning stuff now) Blizz may do silly things that traditional EVE players absolutely hate, but they do have incredible record of commercial success. EVE may change in a way that makes all bitter vets leave, but I would be very confident that it would be a game with a lot more players logged on doing silly little things like you've described. It will no longer be EVE as we know it, but it will be a very commercially successful game, and will attract many more players than we've ever seen in this game. I probably get flamed for saying it, but if I can kill 15 Guristas pirates and bring back their bandannas, and then earn some ISK and use that to buy new emotes for my avatar, I probably stick around. Your comments lend to my theory. Eve is not going to die. It's going to have as much lasting power as Firefly (unless they make Wil Wheaton the voice of Aura and the game does die with one big "Shut up, Wesley!"). Notice I don't say Star Wars or Star Trek. Eve is just not mainstream enough. Would it ever be in the future? You never know. Somebody might make a movie based on it or a series of novels might get written. Maybe there will be a perfect storm for this VR stuff and the Eve genre is in the right place at the right time. But yeah, it will certainly change. The MMO is becoming the anachronism, they all are. It's getting harder then ever to find anybody under 35 who plays them. I have a nephew in college and he qualifies to have his portrait as the definition for the word "gamer" in the dictionary. I asked him about MMORPG/MMO games a few weeks ago and he looked at me like I was making inside jokes based on Land of the Lost reruns. (Yeah I'm old) And again, since SP and ISK have become more "convertible" I don't think players who have much invested in the game thus far, noobs and bittervets alike, are going to be dumped in the evolution. Notice that having lots of SP is now meaningless. I used to boast about my 80 million SP now I would get told "80 mil dude you don't need that get some extractors". Having lots of SP meaningless means that having played the game for a long time is meaningless too. This is not a complaint, just stating the fact. It's no big deal in the end. A good time was had by all.
Dude, Land of the Lost was baller. Slee-stacks omg, and that stupid t-rex that was always chasing them around.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
129
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Posted - 2016.12.12 18:14:14 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through. Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact. What? |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22269
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Posted - 2016.12.12 18:23:21 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:2Sonas1Cup wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through. Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact. What? 2Sonas1Cup being an awful troll.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
12
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Posted - 2016.12.12 20:05:53 -
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2Sonas1Cup wrote:Shiloh Templeton wrote:First off, no need to panic. If the company is sold it won't have an immediate impact on Eve.
EVE is scheduled to be shut down in March if the deal goes through. Not sure if 4 months isn't "immediate" impact.
Fear mongering to drive PLEX prices down? I like the cut of your jib!
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
12
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Posted - 2016.12.12 20:49:13 -
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Ahh relax! look from the brighter side! even if it gets shut down, we will have a chance to create our personal lives! look at me! I'm 25 years old. I dont have a girlfriend. Its cause my girlfriend is EVE xD btw, Eve is nice name) i will name my daughter Eve (Evelyn) as you can see, i'm already getting insane xD |
Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
554
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Posted - 2016.12.12 20:55:22 -
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If EvE shuts down, I might run for office.
Think a platform based on HTFU will fly?
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Daniel Jackson
Shore Leave Inc. Holdings
192
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Posted - 2016.12.12 21:35:08 -
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i wish we can get some clarification on this
I Vote YES! for Downloadable HI-RES Textures!!!!
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Gogela
Freeport Exploration Loosely Affiliated Pirates Alliance
3373
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Posted - 2016.12.12 22:52:24 -
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Daniel Jackson wrote:i wish we can get some clarification on this The devs at CCP might not even know. We're talking about a group of investment firms that own CCP transferring ownership to possibly another investment firm or developer. That could mean it will have no effect on EvE at all, or it could mean new development $$ for EvE, or it could mean development money for VR or something... nobody has any idea and it could be (may very well be) years before anything is revealed, even to CCP employees. Reading through this thread, my impression is that there are two rational groups of posters: those who are pointing out over-reactions and fuzzy thinking, and those who are trying to drive down PLEX prices or something. The rest are trolls.
tl;dr; don't worry about this. You don't spend a billion RL dollars on a company and than crush the IP you just spent all that money on. You turn that IP around and make it even more valuable. I would have thought EvE players knew more about capitalism...
Edit: I would be more worried if no one wanted to buy CCP. If their company value went from 300 to 900+ million over just 2 years, it says good things about the company and imho, the future of our game.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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Kiaksar2142
Fratuzzi
12
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Posted - 2016.12.12 23:08:05 -
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I'm starting to think that this selling stuff will be only good thing for EVE. new investments, new money and so on. Maybe CCP will even deploy WIS after all. i reallt looking forward for WIS =) |
Avaelica Kuershin
Signal Cartel
296
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Posted - 2016.12.12 23:13:37 -
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Gogela wrote: I would have thought EvE players knew more about capitalism...
Some do, others do not. Some discussions regarding the market have been quite illuminating, not to mention baffling.
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Suroh Kurvora
Dwarf Star Incorporated Consortium Of Wormhole Space Exploration
12
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Posted - 2016.12.12 23:53:01 -
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CCP has never actually cared about it's player base and they've suffered because of that, think about how many people we've lost over the years. And now, they want to sell out because they know they've ****** up and can't fix it.
GG Thanks for making an even worse decision lol. |
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
1112
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Posted - 2016.12.13 00:10:50 -
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Suroh Kurvora wrote:CCP has never actually cared about it's player base and they've suffered because of that, think about how many people we've lost over the years. And now, they want to sell out because they know they've ****** up and can't fix it.
GG Thanks for making an even worse decision lol.
Nah it`s not that. The paying model is old school. The had to change it. All hardcore players got a life now. You know kids woman. Perhaps other things to do than 8 hours playing. New players or young players do not have the patience to play this in dept. And there is the problem.
The game is not broken son. It`s needs to change. And that change cost something. A rework of all things we do not use or just is not what it suppose to do.
Sounds more to me your full off s.. and confuse than it needs to be. |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
382
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Posted - 2016.12.13 04:25:43 -
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mkint wrote:Toobo wrote:/mkint
Considering what has been happening around the world in recent times, not to mention some of the big events of this year, I really do not see how our world is entering age of 'achievement'. Either we are understanding the terms very differently, or looking at the different world, or we are looking at the same world but interpreting it in very different ways.
In any case, that's more got to do with social changes & world view, so perhaps not the most natural topic for GD, so I won't pick on that much here. :p
Like I said, we've got about 10 years for the current cultural cycle (which has been consistently repeating over hundreds of years, maybe longer) to go through its transition. Last time (in the 1940's-1950's) the transition was quick. At least according to people who study these things. Even if the cycle fails this time, CCP is in a position to turn EVE into an "establishment" the same way a lot of the WW2 business became establishments by being the sole providers of unique products, the way IBM still fills the same fundamental needs for businesses that it has for generations. That is, assuming CCP can even figure out what it is people are getting out of EVE (hint: EVE isn't the cheap disposable garbage of companies with limited longevity.)
well I think I kinda get what you mean, although I do not agree about the 'cultural cycle' you speak of, as I read the situation differently, but t each to their own. Tank you for your clarification. :)
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8074
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Posted - 2016.12.13 07:13:54 -
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Toobo wrote:mkint wrote:Toobo wrote:/mkint
Considering what has been happening around the world in recent times, not to mention some of the big events of this year, I really do not see how our world is entering age of 'achievement'. Either we are understanding the terms very differently, or looking at the different world, or we are looking at the same world but interpreting it in very different ways.
In any case, that's more got to do with social changes & world view, so perhaps not the most natural topic for GD, so I won't pick on that much here. :p
Like I said, we've got about 10 years for the current cultural cycle (which has been consistently repeating over hundreds of years, maybe longer) to go through its transition. Last time (in the 1940's-1950's) the transition was quick. At least according to people who study these things. Even if the cycle fails this time, CCP is in a position to turn EVE into an "establishment" the same way a lot of the WW2 business became establishments by being the sole providers of unique products, the way IBM still fills the same fundamental needs for businesses that it has for generations. That is, assuming CCP can even figure out what it is people are getting out of EVE (hint: EVE isn't the cheap disposable garbage of companies with limited longevity.) well I think I kinda get what you mean, although I do not agree about the 'cultural cycle' you speak of, as I read the situation differently, but t each to their own. Tank you for your clarification. :)
I found the cultural cycle concept interesting. But I have not seen other grounds for it. There is a work floating about called "The 4th Turning" that describes an 80 year cycle, but that would not have much to do with an MMO. Perhaps there's a cycle in the MMO world that runs on a decade's time? Who knows.
One thing about WoW, as that game everybody (loves and loves to) hate, was that it was a genre before that. I recall seeing Warcraft 3 being played once, and asked the kid who was playing it what that was (my answer came with a "lol noob" but I got an answer). Could this happen to Eve?
Would we see a day where spaceships is no longer the central point of the game but a facet of it, such that players can FPS, fighter pilot, or fly a ship? CCP appeared to be headed in that direction once with Dust, now dead. We got as far as being able to bomb targets on the planet with tactical ammo. There was even chronicle that alluded to capsuleers walking around using the same technology as clone soldiers, the one about the Battle of Caldari Prime.
So would internet spaceships get pushed aside so that one day, you are just you, where you can FPS like in Dust, or fly a fighter/bomber? Or maybe you might have to get in a pod and throw some serious tonnage around from time to time?
A "world of" approach as we have seen before?
Would they call is World of Eve? Or maybe they will call it New Eden Online "NEO" for more coolness?
These are just thoughts getting pulled out of my ass. But knowing how marketers are drawn to previously used (and profitable) ideas like flies to crap, I would not be surprised to see that day come.
(Whether or not it's possible is another matter. Star Citizen failing for example).
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8075
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Posted - 2016.12.13 07:21:18 -
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Johan Civire wrote:Suroh Kurvora wrote:CCP has never actually cared about it's player base and they've suffered because of that, think about how many people we've lost over the years. And now, they want to sell out because they know they've ****** up and can't fix it.
GG Thanks for making an even worse decision lol. Nah it`s not that. The paying model is old school. The had to change it. All hardcore players got a life now. You know kids woman. Perhaps other things to do than 8 hours playing. New players or young players do not have the patience to play this in dept. And there is the problem. The game is not broken son. It`s needs to change. And that change cost something. A rework of all things we do not use or just is not what it suppose to do. Sounds more to me your full off s.. and confuse than it needs to be.
The biggest "hit" was on casual players. Yes there have been a lot of brigading against the concept, and CCP may have listened too closely. We've had a lot of "hurr durr PVP game HTFU" but those casual players who had maybe an hour a day were the "bulk filler" of the commerce so to speak.
New content requiring team play may have been challenging but that's only half of it: they made the old solo content TOO EASY (exploration changes).
Hence a double whammy.
Mainly in western civilization we have had now decades of "everything comes at the cost of something else", an austerity like approach grounded in a kind of learned helplessness. Meaning that every time someone says "boost solo/casual/PVE content" people have autistic chimpouts thinking that PVP is going to get nerfed or neglected for 10 years.
Why not have... everything? We've all been so ingrained in the idea that everything new or good can only come at a detriment to something else that we never explore the possibility that a rising tide lifts all boats (as the saying goes).
Perhaps the real issue with "new player retention" was not the NPE after all. They forgot how to keep the old players.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
383
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Posted - 2016.12.13 07:36:08 -
[249] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: (shortened for space, sorry!) A "world of" approach as we have seen before? Would they call is World of Eve? Or maybe they will call it New Eden Online "NEO" for more coolness? These are just thoughts getting pulled out of my ass. But knowing how marketers are drawn to previously used (and profitable) ideas like flies to crap, I would not be surprised to see that day come. (Whether or not it's possible is another matter. Star Citizen failing for example).
Well, 'cultural cycles', is an interesting concept, and I know some do like entertaining such ideas. But I just don't see it as that valid concept to be widely applicable, beyond very narrow application on generational trends and counter trends.
More general social theories consider much bigger picture, with more variables, and better focus on power relationships and transformation/transfferance of power in a society, within changing economical framework and also taking into consideration changes in modes of communication and social interaction.
We could apply cultural cycles and use that to see what stage we are in now and where we will be in future, but it does not fully take into account the accumulated history of power changes and economic metamorphosis that society has gone through over the past decades.
Well, that got a bit wordy, but tl;dr - yes we may get a bit of 'trends' from the old back, but by the time the cycle ends and a new cycle begins, the world has already transformed in so many ways that's way too different from what it was in the start of the previous cycle. A new cycle to repeat? maybe. But we're in a different world now, and there's absolutely no denying that.
Having said that, yeah Blizz made WOW (MMORPG) out of (War Craft). And CCP tried/still tries to do something like this too - Dust (FPS based on EVE world) being one of the examples that we all know.
I think it is entirely possible that EVE could evolve into a different genre more appropriate (commercially) for the new generation. I mean CCP even released board games & they had a mini 'magement game' going on with PI stuff as well, so they have certainly shown that while they keep EVE as what it is for now, they are happy to try out 'spin offs', and if one of those spin offs become a big comercial success, than why not?
Perosnally I have absolutely no problem with space ships becoming 'optional' part of EVE game play. I'm not sure how far they can 'integrate' everything under one roof of 'EVE', or even if that's necessary to do so. They can keep EVE as it is, and devleop other things (such as they've done with Valkyrie) that has EVE theme but is a stand alone game.
I personally wouldn't mind more avatar game play focused stand alone game of EVE, even if it was not integrated with the space ship focused EVE we play today. :p
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
383
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Posted - 2016.12.13 07:46:28 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote: Mainly in western civilization we have had now decades of "everything comes at the cost of something else", an austerity like approach grounded in a kind of learned helplessness. Meaning that every time someone says "boost solo/casual/PVE content" people have autistic chimpouts thinking that PVP is going to get nerfed or neglected for 10 years.
Why not have... everything? We've all been so ingrained in the idea that everything new or good can only come at a detriment to something else that we never explore the possibility that a rising tide lifts all boats (as the saying goes).
This I have discussed in GD before too. People rationalise on behalf of CCP. That they are a business (as if anyone would ever think other wise) and making profit is their priority (obviously) and it makes sense for them to go for most hassle free and cost effective solutions (duh who wouldn't). You see me being sarcastic on this front, because it is just repetition of such an obvious truth as to be irrelevant to repeat again and again every time any complaint/suggestion is brought up against CCP, like the following eamples.
WIS? No CCP is a business and it doesn't make business sense for them to implement such a feature, too much risk, no tangible return etc etc.
Improve X & Y? No CCP is a business and that is not cost effective and does not effect the majority of players
Can CCP clarify this individual case? No CCP is business and customer service costs money so its better for them to take blanket action than to treat each case individually, sorry you got screwed but that's just better for CCP as a business
Hey this ship class needs balancing? FOOK YEAH, CCP should spend all its time and resources to make sure that these ships are tweaked and tested for 3 months on SISi because it's ship balanace and this game is all about internet space ships and if ships are not balanced or don't fulfill their role in a fleet this game is gonna die
Well, you get the idea. :p
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
383
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Just to add: what I said above ie pretty interesting case though. Many other games' forums are obviously filled with endless feature suggestions and complaints and whines , etc - this is definitely not unique to EVE. But 'CCP is business' card is played a lot by people on the forum here, and it is not an argument I often see in other games forums. I find that interesting
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Toobo wrote:Just to add: what I said above ie pretty interesting case though. Many other games' forums are obviously filled with endless feature suggestions and complaints and whines , etc - this is definitely not unique to EVE. But 'CCP is business' card is played a lot by people on the forum here, and it is not an argument I often see in other games forums. I find that interesting
Guess that's because most EVE players are a bit less delusional than players of other online games. A lot of EVE Gamers can even do math and understand statistics. |
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If its business, Its a deal for a customer: they pay money, they get updates and fun. Else, why even care?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò =ƒÜÇ
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Facebook will buy them out and collect data on our gaming and account details. |
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Agent Hunt3r wrote:Facebook will buy them out and collect data on our gaming and account details.
I'm not sure the world is ready for that information.
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CCP should def consider selling. If the money is right there shouldn't even be an option for CCP execs. Get rich and sit on a beach sipping mai tais or hearing/seeing the constant whining of emo fedora wearing internet plebs who think they are "sociopaths" but they're not.
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I'm accepting 100 Billion ISK in Donations from people who wanna quit after knowing doom is near!
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Agent Hunt3r wrote:Facebook will buy them out and collect data on our gaming and account details.
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Instead of reading this thread I played Farmville in one window and Eve in the other, and pretended it was a new PI system!
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=ƒÆ¦300,000,000.00 maybe...=ƒÆ¦955,000,000.00 no way.
Selling can't hurt the direction Eve is going...
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Posted - 2016.12.15 01:41:21 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts.
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Conrad Makbure wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Can I have your stuff before you rage quit. Send me all of your isk. ty.
I think you misunderstand what a rage quit is. Leaving a game because it gets new developers that you have no faith in =/= rage quitting. You're more likely to rage quit than I am since you seem unable to reply with anything smarter than cookie-cutter trolling attempts, so I do strongly question your ability to succeed at much within this game.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.15 10:32:27 -
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I would really like to see what happens with any type of acquisition but especially the changes afterward. Like do you go ahead and monetize the game more, or do you attempt a reboot in Unity or something. Because the IP isn't necessarily tied to this implementation of a game.
Before you invest you do some research, right. And then it comes out that EVE is still run on stackless python which people became aware of its age... in 2009 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/588958/what-are-the-drawbacks-of-stackless-python
I'd like to hear those conversations between investors and consultants about whether EVE can be developed anywhere else by anyone new, and the answers that basically amount to "no it has to keep the people it has. In Iceland."
This isn't a game that uses a modified Unreal build, or resembles anything that anyone has worked on in the last ten years. Just something else to think about while we argue about whether EVE is being sold or what. EVE isn't a late-ish model car with some miles on it. It's a one-off prototype that still runs but is the only one of its kind. Good luck finding mechanics
What do I hope for... a rewrite, and I don't care where it comes from. There are improvements to be made everywhere, including the client-side where everything is rendered for a flat cost, no matter what's on screen. It's what SC does.
As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
For some perspective, though, SC has been in development for 4 years now. That's more than 1/4 of the time EVE has been live. So. While it might sound like I'm talking bad about EVE, I'm just trying to keep it real.
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Posted - 2016.12.15 11:04:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Jenn aSide
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Posted - 2016.12.15 13:30:08 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well.
Amen, screw mainstream. I will never ever understand how folks (like apparently Rain6637) aspire to have this game go mediocre. That's what mainstreaming does.
EVERY band that had a good sound then went mainstream turned to crap. EVERY good restaurant/eatery that 'branched out' and franchised itself to death turned into a crappy version of McDonalds.
And every.singe.game that started out small with a unique concept that tried to go 'mainstream' failed (because mainstream players don't want complexity and depth, they want ease and to be told a story and to be made to feel like a 'hero' for just starting up the game).
I knoew investors and stakeholders (who only care about ever increasing income) want to see things like EVE go mainstream. I'd rather see EVE actually die and become a fond memory of a a time when game companies made games for adults (adults that don't need to play space barbie at that) than to see any more 'mainstreaming'.
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We should look at mainstream in EVE as a way to scam new people out of their money by CCP. Basically you have a game with a lot of depth and originality, but you stack on top some avatar microtransactions, avatar stuff, avatar play, dont change anything spaceship wise (beside updates like always for it) and call it expanding universe, evolution for those who still prefer not seeing ever their avatar body. Integrate with NOVA.
Those who still are around can shoot Jita a second time. I am willing to take that risk.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
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Posted - 2016.12.15 13:59:43 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:We should look at mainstream in EVE as a way to scam new people out of their money by CCP. Basically you have a game with a lot of depth and originality, but you stack on top some avatar microtransactions, avatar stuff, avatar play, dont change anything spaceship wise (beside updates like always for it) and call it expanding universe, evolution for those who still prefer not seeing ever their avatar body. Integrate with NOVA. Those who still are around can shoot Jita a second time. I am willing to take that risk.
I agree, actually, but not as part of the EVE client. Did you ever play Sim City 2000? There was another game they made called Sim Copter that could be played as a stand-alone game where you'd fly a helicopter around SimCities, but you could also 'link' it to SC2000 so you could fly around in the cities you built yourself. You didn't need simcopter to play and experience simcity, though, it was an optional extra.
I actually support ambulation, but I don't want it bloating my client any more than it already does. I refuse to download it, completely, because I'll never use it. That's space on my hard drive which I don't want to burn on something I'll never use. But I do support its development, if for no other reason than to get people to stop whining about WiS already, but it needs to be an optional extra that can interact with EVE on some unnecessary level, and not part of the existing client that people are required to use to get things done in EVE that they've always been able to do without it.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:12:56 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well. Amen, screw mainstream. I will never ever understand how
you're right about that
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:15:20 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well. Amen, screw mainstream. I will never ever understand how you're right about that
Let me guess, you read what i wrote, realized it was true, and surrendered on the spot. That's always easier than defending your preferences I guess. |
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:15:59 -
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lol
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:19:26 -
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So I would also accept this gameplay being NOVA part. Just a thing that would bring together two communities into one.
Maybe NOVA with social module where you can import character from EVE and use it as clone for personal vendettas. Maybe even some PvE with rogue drones. Where tacticians could come together and debate around a table with galaxy map, in their own citadel on planet surface or around orbit. Killing time together with minigames and gambling while vulnerability window ticks out.
I wonder how difficult it would be to make NOVA a part of EVE in that sense, that you coulld use CQ and past door there would be this NOVA part. Downloaded independently, but doors bringing it together.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:20:31 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:We should look at mainstream in EVE as a way to scam new people out of their money by CCP. Basically you have a game with a lot of depth and originality, but you stack on top some avatar microtransactions, avatar stuff, avatar play, dont change anything spaceship wise (beside updates like always for it) and call it expanding universe, evolution for those who still prefer not seeing ever their avatar body. Integrate with NOVA. Those who still are around can shoot Jita a second time. I am willing to take that risk. I agree, actually, but not as part of the EVE client. Did you ever play Sim City 2000? There was another game they made called Sim Copter that could be played as a stand-alone game where you'd fly a helicopter around SimCities, but you could also 'link' it to SC2000 so you could fly around in the cities you built yourself. You didn't need simcopter to play and experience simcity, though, it was an optional extra. I actually support ambulation, but I don't want it bloating my client any more than it already does. I refuse to download it, completely, because I'll never use it. That's space on my hard drive which I don't want to burn on something I'll never use. But I do support its development, if for no other reason than to get people to stop whining about WiS already, but it needs to be an optional extra that can interact with EVE on some unnecessary level, and not part of the existing client that people are required to use to get things done in EVE that they've always been able to do without it.
I don't want CCP to waste time on it, optional or not.
But i'll admit that I also do kind fo want to see CCP revisit it, so that when it's out and all the people who begged for it don't use it (because it's plum stupid to walk to talk to your agent when you can click a button and do the same thing in a fraction of the time) I can utter the classical phrase "what did i tell you" lol.. |
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You really can't say ambulation in a space game is pointless when other space games are pretty much grounded in avatar gameplay. You also can't have a group of people as big as the monument shooter collective and believe a meaningful portion of them have done anything creative in their lives or have any expertise in what's fun. That you play EVE at all is a mark against you.
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Interesting news would like to see it sold current ppl in charge gone as in fired devs more or less kept and engine rewritten(multi cpu multi gpu support).
But more to the reality if it get sold its straight to the cash shop I'm afraid, was wrongoing before though glad I did.
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Kiaksar2142
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guys, just RELAX! it wont shut down! |
Rain6637
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why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down
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Rain6637 wrote:why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down
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TL;DR
My guess at this point, and i prolly posted this before, is some of not not all of the Venture Capitalist that own ccp are looking to dump there shares. This is pretty normal, as that what Venture Capitalist do, they buy companies, to help them, when they make a profit, they dump the company and move on.
Anyone could buy, from another VC that wants to invest in VR, to a gaming company like EA that wants the New Eden ip.
And if this is happing, ccp technically has about 5 owners (i think) so for all we know, one might be shopping to get out. we just dunno. and a sale, most likley, won;t change much at ccp. but who knows.
basicly relax, and we will see what happens
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Rain6637
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Rain6637 wrote:why would it shut down? EVE ain' neva gonna shut down Everything ends. That's quaint, but now that Windows 10 is supposedly the last version of Windows and will be maintained with updates forevermore, keeping the client stable is more or less solved. It might not become anything more than what it's been without some major changes, but at the least you can keep it running.
The biggest shame is the timeline of the last five years in space games. EVE didn't cause the spawn of these other games, but sometimes when you don't do something, it creates the niche so someone else can do it.
Ambulation dev and World of Darkness dev wasn't going as smooth as possible (understatement), but it was coming along. I mention WoD because that's the group of people where ambulation dev came from, and it's where we got CQ. You have to recognize that. You simply don't grow the expertise to do that sort of thing in-house overnight.
So then in 2011 the monument shooting thing happens. [Skipping ahead through the travesties that affected good professionals in the gaming industry] The next year, Chris Roberts starts giving interviews about this game he's thinking of doing, and he even pokes fun at EVE by saying it won't involve "imagine (tm)."
And then there is a reboot of Elite. And then HMDs happen. Graphics cards are twice as fast now and those 3D experiences are more deliverable than ever. EVE could have been at the start of dismounted / avatar space gameplay but no, you have people who sexually identify as spaceships or some **** who want to keep EVE what it is
There's a formula to things like movies and games. You present the player with something identifiable, like the image of a human being. How many games can you think of (that last longer than an ipad app like candy crush) where you aren't grounded in the game as a human character? Or even a human-like character
You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.
There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.
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CCP needs to make their money asap. They have had a good 10+ yrs.
Whoever buys Eve will be looking to make as much money as possible.
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All such change in ownership involves loss of confidence by the market, insecurity among employees and persons utilizing the companies services. There is no way of knowing what the next owners will do.
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I dont really get the point why you bury the game without knowing a ****..... Seriously i have a feeling that you actually WANT it to be shut down....
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"I am up for a part in Cats on Broadway. Oh I cannot dance well and am old with bad knees and haven't auditioned but if they offer me the part I am up for it."
Them looking at investors and discussing a sale is not the end of Eve. Hell, it might just be rumour mill to try to squeeze some tax breaks out of the local government.
I don't panic on rumours and what if so-and-so buys the game because it is more a waste of my time than me going out and buying cat ears (I gots my own!) I will keep driving the Bus and helping the new players until whoever owns the game throws/drives me out or I run out of assets to do so.
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Rain6637 wrote:...You also can't have a group of people as big as the monument shooter collective and believe a meaningful portion of them have done anything creative in their lives or have any expertise in what's fun. That you play EVE at all is a mark against you.
wait... That doesn't sound like the sort of thing you said in the past, iirc...either I'm wrong or you've gone cynically bitter...
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what? I've always been critical of that whole thing. Like that Fanfest video that had Sindel Pellion talking about how they participated in the monument shoot like it was something to be proud of. It's appalling.
I guess there have been changes in my plans that maybe alters the context, like how I'm studying 3D animation and game design right now, and seriously looking at what type of industry I want to enter. (It's gaming design in name but it's the same core skills as a lot of different 3D disciplines).
I like EVE as a player but if you want to talk about what's happened in terms of the company and development (like we are doing right now) I basically don't want to go anywhere near it. OR game development, it's a meatgrinder not made any better by players who get upset about a profit motive.
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it's really doesn't matter who own it, after all only thing matters is if you still have fun play the game. If sale the company makes the game even better why not. |
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More often than not, its bad.
This is not good news for us as end product consumers of just one of CCPs products/services.
Change in ownership rarely happens without new owners making changes.
The new owners have their own interests and ideas, and adjusting to them takes time, effort and cost.
I believe the report is legiit, albeit unconfirmed. I am not optimistic about the potential results.
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Come on buddy. That's purely fear of change.
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There's a case like Dreamworks where it was acquired by NBCUniversal and 200 were let go from corporate because they became redundant. Larger company has corporate management in place etc. So I guess it depends on the type of entity looking to acquire a game IP. Investor versus a games company conglomerate like ZeniMax who might already have some of the relevant infrastructure in place.
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Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong.
What is EASY cannot be REWARDING.
See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png
Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements.
Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction
"Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid"
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8083
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Posted - 2016.12.16 09:45:34 -
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Zao Elongur wrote:Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong. What is EASY cannot be REWARDING. See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements. Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction "Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid"
You may be correct. I was hardcore exploration back before SoE ships and exploration sites outside of wormholes were still combat sites. Then they made exploration super easy with sites galore and instead of facing unknown challenges and outcomes it's just another aspect of EZ-GrindGäó. I used to survive alone wandering WHs and nullsec on my own running sites solo (or attempting to - they could be pretty harsh) and making it back into highsec with loot felt like an achievement.
Now I feel like I'd rather slam my willie in the door before I do exploration.
Making stuff easier does NOT make it better, nor more attractive. For a time I was part of the "Vanilla WoW" movement (though not intended to play it, just support it) there were more people wanting to play that than there are Eve subs before Blizzard killed it.
Hence the irony of Eve looking it's best, never having had a better variety of ships than ever before, having the best character customization than ever before, and the biggest battles than ever before, better training options and dealing with SP, player owned "stations" (Citadels), no cost clones, and F2P. All that, but there is no return to the golden age that for all variable opinions observed thus far, appears to have been the period of 2007 to early 2011.
There are problems with the community and direction of the game that all the skins and tiericide in the world won't fix.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
615
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Posted - 2016.12.16 10:04:28 -
[292] - Quote
It's all about VR not EvE sandbox. On the other hand release plan was postponed, and nothing in near future. It will be hot January I presume.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
- Cooper what are you doing?
- Docking!
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18266
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:13:23 -
[293] - Quote
Mike Azariah wrote:"I am up for a part in Cats on Broadway. Oh I cannot dance well and am old with bad knees and haven't auditioned but if they offer me the part I am up for it."
Them looking at investors and discussing a sale is not the end of Eve. Hell, it might just be rumour mill to try to squeeze some tax breaks out of the local government.
I don't panic on rumours and what if so-and-so buys the game because it is more a waste of my time than me going out and buying cat ears (I gots my own!) I will keep driving the Bus and helping the new players until whoever owns the game throws/drives me out or I run out of assets to do so.
m
I bet you'd look pretty cute with a set of cat ears
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop
566
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Posted - 2016.12.16 19:15:53 -
[294] - Quote
Malcanis wrote:
I bet you'd look pretty cute with a set of cat ears
/me frantically searches EvE central and NES.
Where?!
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Kiera Oramara
State War Academy Caldari State
21
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Posted - 2016.12.18 06:15:12 -
[295] - Quote
WTF CCP
http://www.parentherald.com/articles/93316/20161211/eve-online-game-developer-sale-ccp-games-considering-955-million.htm |
Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
263
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Posted - 2016.12.18 08:14:41 -
[296] - Quote
Every business is always for sale.
Why would someone want CCP?
1. Someone wants CCP customers. 2. Someone wants CCP technology. 3. Someone wants CCP people.
Virtual reality might be the cornerstone of interest in CCP, rather than a specific interest in EVE. I imagine investors are more willing to splash cash on new tech, rather than a ten year old game. Not sure if EVE alone has the possibility of turning 900 million into a 4-5 billion return.
If something other than EVE is the focus of the purchase then perhaps we have some cause for concern, but in all probability EVE will be fine.
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Thinking inside Schrodinger's sandbox.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34578
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Posted - 2016.12.18 08:51:20 -
[297] - Quote
the why comes down to money, that's totally obvious. The difference is "who." There are groups who want to be good stewards and there are others who operate like world eaters.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Avaelica Kuershin
Signal Cartel
296
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Posted - 2016.12.18 09:05:42 -
[298] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:
You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.
There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.
Way to go, insult us. Now the funny thing about those games where you play an avatar* is that most of the time you're only looking at the back of their heads. Now the real problem, as I see it, with avatar gameplay is that unless you're going entirely freeform sandbox, you've got to have a lot of PVE in the form of, well, quests. Thus a lot of development time taken away from the present core of this game.
*including but not limited to humans, plant creatures, rock creatures, mechanicals, zombies, and of course, FURRIES. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22625
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Posted - 2016.12.18 09:16:59 -
[299] - Quote
Investing?
Someone who pays such money, would like return on investment. I wonder how much CCP can return. (They stopped publishing the reports.) What I remember whole WoD development was worth 30M they had to basically throw out.
Returns, in a timespan of 20 years it would be 45M per year? Just to return them 900M from 2016? I cant imagine that. Even cutting development costs. What are they thinking? CCP making software for VR market exclusively, and counting on VR hardware boom? I dont see that happening.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5402
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Posted - 2016.12.18 10:29:11 -
[300] - Quote
Remiel Pollard wrote:Rain6637 wrote: As for all this talk about how ambulation is a mistake and the fallacies you have in your head about why it's bad... holy **** you are the problem that keeps this game from being mainstream (or having any hope of it).
You say that like it's a bad thing. It's not. Ferrari certainly isn't mainstream, but I'll be damned if it's not an extremely high-quality, however niche, product. As far as I'm concerned, EVE going mainstream is not a good thing. It's not mainstream because it's incredibly unique, and should remain that way. It doesn't need to copy every other game out there to do well.
Ferraris don't cost the same as a mainstream street car. Last time I checked, CCP was earning about 190 dollars per customer and year; it's very likely that now that amount is higher, but nonetheless EVE is priced as mainstream.
If you have a mainstream price tag, you better achieve a mainstream customer base to keep your profits. And if you reject a mainstream customer base, then either charge premium price or cut down development cost to below mainstream (CCP is known for paying quite below industry standards, btw) and keep cutting down as money dries out... which is what's going to happen in the next years. That's why I foresee EVE going into maintenance mode in 3 or 4 years, but fear not: it will never be mainstream and it will never charge you for the privilege of driving away all those silly wannabe mainstreamers.
(Because you like your Ferrari game but will not pay 20 dollars per month and account, will you?) |
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22636
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Posted - 2016.12.18 10:38:26 -
[301] - Quote
Or they have few new games coming out next year, that are really good and MMO, or they will not get 900M or even half of it. 300M maybe. Is there something coming out of CCP that we dont know, what will change future of gaming?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5402
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Posted - 2016.12.18 10:58:19 -
[302] - Quote
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Zao Elongur wrote:Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong. What is EASY cannot be REWARDING. See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements. Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction "Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid" You may be correct. I was hardcore exploration back before SoE ships and exploration sites outside of wormholes were still combat sites. Then they made exploration super easy with sites galore and instead of facing unknown challenges and outcomes it's just another aspect of EZ-GrindGäó. I used to survive alone wandering WHs and nullsec on my own running sites solo (or attempting to - they could be pretty harsh) and making it back into highsec with loot felt like an achievement. Now I feel like I'd rather slam my willie in the door before I do exploration. Making stuff easier does NOT make it better, nor more attractive. For a time I was part of the "Vanilla WoW" movement (though not intended to play it, just support it) there were more people wanting to play that than there are Eve subs before Blizzard killed it. Hence the irony of Eve looking it's best, never having had a better variety of ships than ever before, having the best character customization than ever before, and the biggest battles than ever before, better training options and dealing with SP, player owned "stations" (Citadels), no cost clones, and F2P. All that, but there is no return to the golden age that for all variable opinions observed thus far, appears to have been the period of 2007 to early 2011. There are problems with the community and direction of the game that all the skins and tiericide in the world won't fix.
It's very simple. EVE Online peaked by appealing to a wider range of player types and has been losing those players as development focused on a limited niche.
As Ripard Teg said, if you don't buy the whole space colonization vision by CCP Seagull, there's not much coming for you in EVE, and I add that hasn't been since 2013, and won't be at least until 2018. CCP may throw you a bone each now and then, along with taking away whatever they need for their chosen ones.
And this means that at some point CCP figured that they could/should do without 60% of their customers in order to keep a core of 40%. Half of that 60% is gone and CCP compensated so far by firing people (25% of their employees since 2011), adding microtransactions and now the F2P boost.
And that's it, F2P is the last trick in the bag. All what's left ahead is either downsizing the EVE development team or outsource some of its development (not really an option since EVE runs on custom code and tools). |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
5402
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Posted - 2016.12.18 11:06:06 -
[303] - Quote
Nana Skalski wrote:Or they have few new games coming out next year, that are really good and MMO, or they will not get 900M or even half of it. 300M maybe. Is there something coming out of CCP that we dont know, what will change future of gaming?
The big hope and value it's VR, but as I said before, VR as a consumer technology dried on the vine and it's facing a unglamurous demise on the trail of 3D TV. |
Flamespar
warravens Imperium Eden
1361
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Posted - 2016.12.18 12:06:21 -
[304] - Quote
Plex for CCP?
EVE Chronicle: An audio drama set in the EVE universe
http://evechronicle.blogspot.com.au/
https://twitter.com/Flamespar
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:39:49 -
[305] - Quote
I want to see the faces of the people with thousands of likes on the forums as soon as EA Games buys this. What a waste it would have been...lol |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34578
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Posted - 2016.12.18 19:38:29 -
[306] - Quote
Avaelica Kuershin wrote:Rain6637 wrote:
You might be of the sociopathic elite who can identify with a space ship, but when I say mainstream I'm talking about the masses of gamers who are accustomed to playing a character they want to identify with. It's a requirement for supporting hours and hours of gameplay. To get it you have to start thinking of avatars and spaceships as the opposite of what they are now.
There should be avatar gameplay that can support hundreds of hours for very little ISK, with spaceships as mounts which give the player access to very high stakes battles and rewards.
Way to go, insult us. Now the funny thing about those games where you play an avatar* is that most of the time you're only looking at the back of their heads. Now the real problem, as I see it, with avatar gameplay is that unless you're going entirely freeform sandbox, you've got to have a lot of PVE in the form of, well, quests. Thus a lot of development time taken away from the present core of this game. *including but not limited to humans, plant creatures, rock creatures, mechanicals, zombies, and of course, FURRIES. don't worry everyone gets a piece. It wouldn't take dev time away from the EVE you want because the devs on EVE now wouldn't be the avatar crew. You would need additional people. I'm not talking about this player base, I'm talking about an expanding one, with expanding development to go with it.
I think it's safe to assume EVE has sifted through the millions of trial accounts and has retained everyone willing to play as space ships, so if you're talking about making the game more popular it means adding new gameplay. Radically new gameplay, not another hacking minigame that involves your spaceship.
Traditionally, avatar gameplay involves third person but we have HMDs now, and games like Valkyrie. That game in particular couldn't be integrated into EVE gameplay just because space ship combat is basically a turn-based board game. But you can integrate an instanced game engine and dismounted exploration of derelict structures as a first person mode. To replace that god awful hacking minigame mechanic in 2016 (the **** is this candy crush?)
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34578
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Posted - 2016.12.18 19:41:06 -
[307] - Quote
Expendable Unit wrote:I want to see the faces of the people with thousands of likes on the forums as soon as EA Games buys this. What a waste it would have been...lol I'm all for change bruh. This game has felt like shuffling chairs since I started playing.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
563
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Posted - 2016.12.18 20:16:32 -
[308] - Quote
Nomistrav wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else. A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles.
i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan. only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation
what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol
CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol |
HellGate fr
51
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Posted - 2016.12.18 21:07:54 -
[309] - Quote
Coming soon EVE Online 2 : Tactical Warfare edited by Activision where all the ships and items will have to be bought with AURUM. |
000Hunter000
Missiles 'R' Us
95
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Posted - 2016.12.18 21:17:43 -
[310] - Quote
Chribba wrote:Relax,it's only me
LMFAO!!!
CRIBBA ONLINE |
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34578
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Posted - 2016.12.18 23:02:44 -
[311] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else. A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles. i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan. only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol If they have the balls to stick with drastic changes do you promise to leave
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Null Mart
Swamp Donkey's United
0
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Posted - 2016.12.19 00:02:10 -
[312] - Quote
So does this mean I may need to download Origin to play? |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
563
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Posted - 2016.12.19 09:09:16 -
[313] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:Nomistrav wrote:Anthar Thebess wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:Sorry, but if any company other than CCP becomes this game's 'owner', they can count me 100% out. Especially if it's Chris Roberts. Like you have something to say about who will own EVE Eve is a product and it will never be any thing else. A product is only as valuable as its consumer interest. We're talking about a community that did the Jita Riots over ******* monocles. i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan. only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol If they have the balls to stick with drastic changes do you promise to leave
never why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22656
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Posted - 2016.12.19 09:20:33 -
[314] - Quote
Lets make kickstarter so we could buy CCP and tell them what to do.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34580
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Posted - 2016.12.19 09:42:31 -
[315] - Quote
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan. only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol never why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me. I think you are gloating about how monument shooters got their way? I can't be sure because this is text but if that's the case I'm hoping those "escalations" are met with bans, so that's why you'd leave because you don't get your way.
If we could just scrap this "core group" of players who think they are responsible for keeping EVE afloat and that EVE should stay a digitized board game that would be great.
If I had my pick of a new "core group" I would choose the crowd of players who are used to vanity items and otherwise superficial in-game items for money that might lead to TWENTY MILLION DOLLAR E-Sports PRIZE POOLS
Dear CCP, EVE needs a Battle Pass system
Thanks in Advance
PS: there is no such thing as a "core group" and it's basically a minority thinking they represent everyone. hth
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22656
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Posted - 2016.12.19 09:46:59 -
[316] - Quote
CCP, where is NOVA and the unreal tournaments?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Sunforge
FriendlyFiends
0
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Posted - 2016.12.19 12:53:09 -
[317] - Quote
Devs: Have you heard anything I've said? Players: You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right? Devs: That's right. Players: Had to end sometime.
With apologies to the actual film but the above quote felt so...apt. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
129
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Posted - 2016.12.19 20:07:33 -
[318] - Quote
Null Mart wrote:So does this mean I may need to download Origin to play? Please god no |
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers EVEolution.
563
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Posted - 2016.12.19 22:58:28 -
[319] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:i was thinking the very same thing, CCP sell and the new overlords start to make changes and the shite hits the fan. only option new overlords have is to ban people which causes an escalation and we all know us EVE players love us an escalation what company in their right mind would want to deal with that? lol CCP created the monster and know how to react and deal with it,, the poor new overlords would shite a kitten lol never why would i leave? i'm here till the death of EVE or me. I think you are gloating about how monument shooters got their way? I can't be sure because this is text but if that's the case I'm hoping those "escalations" are met with bans, so that's why you'd leave because you don't get your way. If we could just scrap this "core group" of players who think they are responsible for keeping EVE afloat and that EVE should stay a digitized board game that would be great. If I had my pick of a new "core group" I would choose the crowd of players who are used to vanity items and otherwise superficial in-game items for money that might lead to TWENTY MILLION DOLLAR E-Sports PRIZE POOLS Dear CCP, EVE needs a Battle Pass system Thanks in Advance PS: there is no such thing as a "core group" and it's basically a minority thinking they represent everyone. hth
i'm sure you meant something, but i'll be fecked if i know,.
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Heart ofStone
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.12.20 09:44:26 -
[320] - Quote
No response for CCP......
There is a saying in the UK, no news is good news...?
F2P = Crippled to play... maybe the new owner will fully go F2P, no restrictions, add a premium sub for cosmetics and fluff, no P2W.
remove the rip-off plex, add more shop stuff etc like other genre mmorpg's have done, they are still going strong.
A recent mmorpg that's recently been sold or changed hands is LOTRO, they went F2P, are still going strong after 9 yrs, and will continue to do so
link: https://www.lotro.com/forums/showthread.php?649784-Standing-Stone-Games-A-message-from-Rob-Ciccolini
Adapt on die, in a F2P world only one real choice!
Merry Christmas to you all |
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop Eve Radio Alliance
582
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Posted - 2016.12.20 14:42:46 -
[321] - Quote
Heart ofStone wrote:
Adapt [or] die, in a F2P world only one real choice!
Merry Christmas to you all
The F2P model is why MMO gaming is in the state it's in.
Pop in. play a bit, then leave.
No loyalty. No commitment. No sense of society. Just transience. No. We're done with that. While F2P has it's place, give a few more years, and the model's fad will lose its shine.
Subscriptions games also have their place. The more niche a game is, the better off it is being a subscription game. A game like EvE needs a core of committed players, otherwise the whole concept breaks down.
You're not going to control any type of space by just playing over a holiday break.
EvE allows a player to pay for the subscription via actions in the game, so there's a way for players that are strapped for cash to still participate and even thrive if they're dedicated enough. This participation helps other players, so it's not just busy-work either.
CCP's decision to initiate an infinite trial is not a full F2P model. Good. CCP needs for a portion of Alpha's to eventually subscribe. That's why the Alpha state is set up as it is. It's the teaser. The promise of better skills/SP rate/equipment is the carrot. Not being able to keep up with Omega's in many parts of the game is the stick. Also, while it's nice for a returning veteran to be able to log in again and see the changes or just check in with old peeps, The carrot and stick still apply...in this case more stick admittedly due to a perceived loss of skills.
The returning vet has three choices:
- Turn EvE off and leave (quietly or in a huff).
- Stay in an Alpha state and deal with the limitations, make a new toon, or just ship-spin and engage in the community again.
- Re-sub back to Omega and return to being a full member of EvE society.
No. The F2P "world" is coming to a close in the next few years. F2P will still exist, but it won't completely knock out other pay plans. F2P will gravitate to games that are dsigned to be temporary and make a quick buck, or to games where community is less important. Games that require players to work together to accomplish anything more than an hour's worth of playtime at the 'end-game' will still need to entice players to stay. Making the game fully free loosens any ties that the player has to the game community.
There will always be low ebbs while playing any game. Maybe this week you really just don't want to log in, or you're too busy, or you're just tired of mining/ratting/hunting whatever, maybe a specific game rule was tweaked in a way that you don't like. What's to stop you from walking away? Nothing but the ties to other players in the game - your community. Subs enhance the community, F2P doesn't.
Camelot Unchained is being designed with subs in mind in order to foster the community aspect. So, while F2P will still be around, subscription based games will also.
--Gadget - wishing y'all a Happy Holidays
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34580
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Posted - 2016.12.20 15:10:46 -
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Casual vs Core players fallacy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pL4AzGBAsU
a game does not need a core group of players it needs sales volume. "core group" has all kinds of bad implications like being small, wanting to preserve the status quo and resisting change. When you hear "core group" mentioned it means that person doesn't understand your $20 and my $20 are indistinguishable.
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Gadget Helmsdottir
Gadget's Workshop Eve Radio Alliance
583
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Posted - 2016.12.20 15:56:04 -
[323] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Casual vs Core players fallacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pL4AzGBAsU a game does not need a core group of players it needs sales volume. "core group" has all kinds of bad implications like being small, wanting to preserve the status quo and resisting change. When you hear "core group" mentioned it means that person doesn't understand your $20 and my $20 are indistinguishable.
I listened to the you tube video.
While it was interesting, it wasn't what I was referring to with my use of "core". I was referring to the Core-periphery model for social networks.
In short, I wasn't meaning the gamers themselves or their playstyles, but the core of a community.
In order to accomplish tasks beyond what a single person can effectively do (such as building a monument, defense, controlling of resources), communities form to collect the efforts of the many towards a single purpose. This core of the community is what generally decides what task is to be done and how to do it. An effective leader helps, but the community will decide to follow said leader or not. The core of the community are those important to the decision process... and accepted to the community. They will get the full benefits and their opinions will be weighed by others. This is opposed to the periphery. Those who may engage with the community, but are not of the community.
While good communities can prosper in either F2P or subscription games. F2P gives less of an incentive to become part of the core of a community. This community is important for niche style games where players either control territory or need to put together resources to accomplish tasks beyond what a single player can. Trust becomes important, and Johnny-come-lately needs to earn his place in the community - join it's core - to get the full benefits or influence decisions. The F2P model removes one element of the commitment package that the core community will want to see in order for the community to decide whether Johnny should be part of the core or remain outside the walls.
My apologies for the earlier unexplained jargon, and thanks for the link.
--Gadget
Work smarter, not harder. --Scrooge McDuck, an eminent old-Earth economist
Given an hour to save New Eden, how would respected scientist, Albertus Eisenstein compose his thoughts? "Fifty-five minutes to define the problem; save the galaxy in five."
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34582
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Posted - 2016.12.20 21:02:40 -
[324] - Quote
I think you're saying F2P prevents long-term interest? It's a revenue model, though. The gameplay of EVE hasn't changed and it still sounds like personal beliefs (of yours) about games that are free-to-play.
I was about to say "even industry is available to a new player" but I haven't checked lately. If it isn't, should it be? Does that make a game too easy?
If it should be available from the start, would it be viable to make default abilities (like industry) much weaker than current skill levels (Level 1), and subsequent skill levels made stronger (while preserving current maximum efficiency).
People will come and go for different reasons. If your personal beliefs about free-to-play games are strong, that might compel you to unsub and stop participating. There could be other people who feel the opposite way, yielding a net increase in players.
However, you can't say EVE objectively sucks as a result of a revenue model, because very little has changed in terms of game mechanics since Alpha clones were introduced, or even over the last decade.
Players still have the same freedom to commit more time to EVE, and with alphas they have even more opportunity than before.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34582
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Posted - 2016.12.20 21:07:24 -
[325] - Quote
I wish they'd keep this daily gift thing going, just for all the new "stuff."
Perhaps you can use another layer of subscription that gives access to vanity items CCP? [Subliminal suggestion begin: Battle Pass Battle Pass Battle Pass Battle Pass Battle Pass ]
Aura would be a nice pet. Everyone who would pay $20 / month to have Aura in your CQ across all your accounts say Aye lol
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
381
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Posted - 2017.01.01 15:16:10 -
[326] - Quote
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:Zao Elongur wrote:Dyner wrote:They pushed it further trying to make things easier, in the hopes more would join; Cataclysm fell flat on its face. So they tried targeting the Asian Market, which is where the game makes most of it's money (something like 90% of the revenue I think); Mist of Pandaria floated and then sunk. So they've been trying to pull back and return to Wrath, while still pushing the mobile venue (garrisons and later class halls).
...it's not working so well from the looks of it.
So, the formula would be something like to make EVE as easy and rewarding as Wrath was for a WoW player. Now what would that entail...I'm not sure.
No mate, you are wrong. What is EASY cannot be REWARDING. See this graph http://s3.mmoguildsites.com/s3/gallery_images/742632/original.png Not only they didn't increase their subscribers, but people started quiting very early during the CATA expansion and the same happened with MOP. Why do people stopped playing again right after the expansions? Because wow ended up being a mindless grind of daily quests, daily bg, daily dungeon, daily cooldown. It was easier for the average player to get gear, farm gold, get shiny stuffs, but it also made the game more boring for everyone, less rewarding as a game, less fun. Don't forget that we are talking about actual rewards, the outcomes that a player truly enjoy; not some crappy reward mechanism like achievements. Their problem is customer retention, not customer attraction "Achievemhent unlocked: Mined an asteroid" You may be correct. I was hardcore exploration back before SoE ships and exploration sites outside of wormholes were still combat sites. Then they made exploration super easy with sites galore and instead of facing unknown challenges and outcomes it's just another aspect of EZ-GrindGäó. I used to survive alone wandering WHs and nullsec on my own running sites solo (or attempting to - they could be pretty harsh) and making it back into highsec with loot felt like an achievement. Now I feel like I'd rather slam my willie in the door before I do exploration. Making stuff easier does NOT make it better, nor more attractive. For a time I was part of the "Vanilla WoW" movement (though not intended to play it, just support it) there were more people wanting to play that than there are Eve subs before Blizzard killed it. Hence the irony of Eve looking it's best, never having had a better variety of ships than ever before, having the best character customization than ever before, and the biggest battles than ever before, better training options and dealing with SP, player owned "stations" (Citadels), no cost clones, and F2P. All that, but there is no return to the golden age that for all variable opinions observed thus far, appears to have been the period of 2007 to early 2011. There are problems with the community and direction of the game that all the skins and tiericide in the world won't fix. It's very simple. EVE Online peaked by appealing to a wider range of player types and has been losing those players as development focused on a limited niche. As Ripard Teg said, if you don't buy the whole space colonization vision by CCP Seagull, there's not much coming for you in EVE, and I add that hasn't been since 2013, and won't be at least until 2018. CCP may throw you a bone each now and then, along with taking away whatever they need for their chosen ones. And this means that at some point CCP figured that they could/should do without 60% of their customers in order to keep a core of 40%. Half of that 60% is gone and CCP compensated so far by firing people (25% of their employees since 2011), adding microtransactions and now the F2P boost. And that's it, F2P is the last trick in the bag. All what's left ahead is either downsizing the EVE development team or outsource some of its development (not really an option since EVE runs on custom code and tools).
When you promote a game to be the bad guy, and a toxic community that makes a person only out for themselves anyway they can get it. Announce that "We are at a point we can lose players" and followed by asking the community your telling "we can have this game with out most of you," "how do we keep players" it makes you wonder about the decisions made at the company
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Glathull
Warlock Assassins
1278
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Posted - 2017.01.01 16:17:52 -
[327] - Quote
Rain6637 wrote:Casual vs Core players fallacy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pL4AzGBAsU a game does not need a core group of players it needs sales volume. "core group" has all kinds of bad implications like being small, wanting to preserve the status quo and resisting change. When you hear "core group" mentioned it means that person doesn't understand your $20 and my $20 are indistinguishable.
I don't think that video exposes a particular fallacy. It just talks about one approach to game design. An approach to game design that is not generally applicable.
Games don't need sales volume at all. Games, like everything else under the sun, need profitability. CCP needs to figure out how to be profitable, and I think it--as a company--has cracked that code.
Market share is not a good measure of success. There are more android phones sold than you can shake a stick at. Yet Apple sucks up more than 90% of the profits in the smartphone market.
The PC market is overall declining, but sales for Apple branded computers are beating the market, and also beating the profit margins for commodity PCs.
CCP is really good at the Apple model of stuff: make something that people care about and they will pay for it.
CCP is really bad at the commodity PC model of being cheap and doing stuff in such a way that no one will pay for it.
I enjoy and applaud the way that CCP is doing things right now. It's a rough balance, but it's a good one.
CCP is banking on the fact that they have a better game than anyone else on the market. That it's so good that people will be willing to pay for it,
I don't think that's wrong. Bold? Yes. But not out-of-bounds-crazy.
I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
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Decaneos
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
153
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Posted - 2017.01.10 12:43:23 -
[328] - Quote
Gadget Helmsdottir wrote:Decaneos wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:What can happen after sale?
Who is the potential buyer of a game company with VR and space MMO experience? And why? EA games is pretty much ALWAYS a potential buyer. If i remember rightly EA game aggressively tried to buy EvE a while ago and was literally give the middle finger and told to **** off. The EA representatives were bitching about this in the hotel when they got back and said they would bury the game. Mate of mine was working in their hotel at the time and they were not quiet . Really want to see the citation on this. --Gadget
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
269
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Posted - 2017.01.11 03:24:11 -
[329] - Quote
Every business is always for sale, and every business owner has an exit plan. Even if it's not a conscious plan, but more a stumbling along into shambolic chaos plan.
Any business wanting to own EVE would do it for the prospect of more money.
That they can see some opportunity that CCP hasn't.
There's probably a few things like that, aside from the usual plug in some sort of online gambling.
The move to Alpha is probably part of this sale process, boost the numbers a bit and all that good stuff, to show prospective new owners.
New owners wouldn't be catastrophic, they want to make money is all.
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MaddMaxx2000
Skunk Works Industries Inc.
3
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Posted - 2017.01.11 09:09:29 -
[330] - Quote
In real estate, it's called "flipping" ....
November 2015: "CCP raised $30 million from New Enterprise and Novator in Nov. 2015. That round valued the company at $300 million."
Fast forward 13 months.....
January 2017: "The closely held companyGÇÖs owners, which include European investor Novator Partners LLP, U.S. investment fund General Catalyst Partners LLC and-áventure capitalist New Enterprise Associates Inc., are discussing whether or not to proceed with a sale, the people said, asking not to be identified because the deliberations are private. A sale of CCP could value the business at as much as 900 million euros ($955 million)" |
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Etain Darklightner Agittain
Aliastra Gallente Federation
13
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Posted - 2017.01.11 09:45:48 -
[331] - Quote
Lulu Lunette wrote:So much ridiculous fearmongering in this thread. The article states that the investors who got in on the ground floor of Valkyrie for $30m and now it's worth $300m. Guessing that the stock on Eve Online is at an all time high and they are looking to get investors in to do some serious development to Eve and that would be fun to speculate about. I don't think CCP is publicly traded so it's all pink slips (Trade Hub ISK doubling)
Obviously the owners and devs of CCP know how this childish community reacts at things! Go shoot a statue!
^this, lulu made a point in a thread I brought this very same subject up in. Then I stopped to take a look at the amount of people actually signed into the game when I logged in.
With alphas included, there are anywhere between 20-30k players online at any moment depending on peak times. I don't know the statistics of how many alpha accounts currently take up what percentage of the population.
Having said that, with the plex situation (players buying and selling on the market to the older veteran crowd that has more ISK than they know what to do with) there seems to be a constant influx of capital coming into the game at any one time.
After doing just a bit of speculating, I'd have to say the game isn't going anywhere at the moment and for some time to come . Keep in mind it's just conjecture I'm offering up. Even alpha accounts could get lucky, pop an omega pilots transport and run off with a plex. That's still paid for content to ccp. Any plex purchase that ends up in the hands of veterans in the outer reaches of null, still provide for a supply and demand situation.
There's enough of an economy here that I really doubt it's going to be sold. I should have thought about it in the post I made.
Like lulu said before, enjoy the game while it's still here, do what you're wanting to do with it now. |
Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2017.01.11 20:57:57 -
[332] - Quote
Roenok Baalnorn wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:For now its "people said, considering"
And I would want them to be bought by someone who have a lot of $ and see potential in WIS. The potential for walking in stations is ZERO. When you start giving people a reason to stay docked then they stop undocking. When they stop undocking, they stop generating content. Sure you can generate content in stations, but this is a space game. People play it because it takes place in space. If we wanted to play a sci fi spacey game that takes place with a walking avatar we would just play HALO or some such. Quote:Imagine the irony if Blizz snapped this up... I would stop playing. They are one of the most corrupt game companies on the planet and they dont have a clue on how to make a decent game. Their games are more like interactive movies.
Prediction.
It's Activision Blizzard in the talks and they are going to contract King to make a mobile version of EVE where you never have to leave station ever again.
But to be fair at least we will be able to set our skills from phone app.
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Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1182
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Posted - 2017.01.11 21:01:29 -
[333] - Quote
Hir Miriel wrote:
New owners wouldn't be catastrophic, they want to make money is all.
Well. So did EA with Ultimate Online.
But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it.
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Akane Togenada
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.01.11 21:07:33 -
[334] - Quote
Captain Tardbar wrote:But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it.
More like feeling of sadness since such a move would destroy the Game. It would also remove EVE:s one unique feature which is the Sinlge Shard Universe where everyone plays a part in the grand scheme of things.
Note that I'm a new player who's mainly into the PvE aspect of the game but I still realize that the move you hope for would spell doom for the entire franchise. |
Captain Tardbar
Hentogaira Miners Alliance
1183
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Posted - 2017.01.11 23:47:43 -
[335] - Quote
Akane Togenada wrote:Captain Tardbar wrote:But to be honest, the tears of rage if they ever made a non-PVP server would be worth it. More like feeling of sadness since such a move would destroy the Game. It would also remove EVE:s one unique feature which is the Sinlge Shard Universe where everyone plays a part in the grand scheme of things. Note that I'm a new player who's mainly into the PvE aspect of the game but I still realize that the move you hope for would spell doom for the entire franchise.
I don't care about non-consensual pvp either way.
I just thing trolling thousands of players and crushing their hopes and dreams would be worth losing a viable game.
You have to be meta about this.
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Hallvardr
101
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Posted - 2017.01.12 16:43:09 -
[336] - Quote
not the only post on this subject.
Like others, I'm on the edge of loosing interest. If it gets sold, I won't be sticking around for a long, slow, painful death. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34796
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Posted - 2017.01.12 16:44:45 -
[337] - Quote
Bloomberg, eh
If it's not on Buzzfeed it ain't real news
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
4810
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Posted - 2017.01.12 21:07:06 -
[338] - Quote
Novator Partners LLP General Catalyst Partners LLC New Enterprise Associates Inc. Those are some great names, they sound like they could be cryptic entities in a dystopian sci-fi story. Think CCP would ban me if I used one for an Eve corp name?
Start the bubble machine!
-Lawrence Welk
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8184
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:28:12 -
[339] - Quote
Khergit Deserters wrote:Novator Partners LLP General Catalyst Partners LLC New Enterprise Associates Inc. Those are some great names, they sound like they could be cryptic entities in a dystopian sci-fi story. Think CCP would ban me if I used one for an Eve corp name?
Maybe under the "impersonation" rule. Who knows.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
389
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:39:35 -
[340] - Quote
Hir Miriel wrote:Every business is always for sale, and every business owner has an exit plan. Even if it's not a conscious plan, but more a stumbling along into shambolic chaos plan. Any business wanting to own EVE would do it for the prospect of more money. That they can see some opportunity that CCP hasn't. There's probably a few things like that, aside from the usual plug in some sort of online gambling. The move to Alpha is probably part of this sale process, boost the numbers a bit and all that good stuff, to show prospective new owners. New owners wouldn't be catastrophic, they want to make money is all.
Im sure Westwood and maxis thought the same thing "they just want to make money, they wouldn't close our game" 1 game later: "studios closed"
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Bank of Illumination
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.01.13 07:42:27 -
[341] - Quote
Good I hope they bring in devs to clean up **** bags and scammers while insta popping Code scum entering highsec. |
Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2515
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:24:26 -
[342] - Quote
Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)
Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:
1. Boosting HP on industrials. 2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs. 3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic. 4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances) 5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality. 6. AFK cloaking
Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24099
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:27:22 -
[343] - Quote
There was also some thread about CCP selling to Microsoft few years ago, so its like a recurring theme.
http://eve-search.com/thread/612513-0/page/1 Thread from 2007
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Infinity Ziona
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
2515
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:39:58 -
[344] - Quote
Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though.
CCP Fozzie GǣWe can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-tonGǪ in null sec anomalies. Gǣ*
Kaalrus pwned..... :)
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24100
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Posted - 2017.01.13 09:48:39 -
[345] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Bit of a difference between a forum thread about what a friend heard and a Bloomberg article though. Just different friends I suppose. News site doesnt legitimize anything when its still that friend.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.13 21:07:43 -
[346] - Quote
SELL THE DEAD HORSE already.
I can see a pvp free carebear only server.....weeee, dances about in her pink lace panties and bra.
Tears would flow from all the bloated vets with nothing to do but complain even more.... |
Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
17
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:43:40 -
[347] - Quote
Infinity Ziona wrote:Hilarious. I saw this coming a year or two ago and was ridiculed for it :)
Can't wait till someone comes and fixes up the rubbish mechanics:
1. Boosting HP on industrials. 2. Turning off non-consensual pvp in highsec and nerfing the feck out of war decs. 3. Cleaning up these forums so they're not so toxic. 4. Getting rid of ISD and implementing a proper customer service model (Not staffed by people who all have mains in Goons or other super pro null sec alliances) 5. Employing devs who understand what the term balanced means and who take pains not to shovel new broken mechanics on top of old broken mechanics in some sort of frenzy of new content new content new content > quality. 6. AFK cloaking
Edit: I don't particularly agree with all those things being changed / removed but in the absence of them being addressed for years and years but rather just being ignored I think it would be sweet justice for those that abused them to suddenly have their toys taken away as a punishement :)
This
There's gonna be some prime salt for years onwards
"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
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Kei Saito
The Phoenix Reborn The Explicit Alliance
0
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Posted - 2017.01.24 08:37:06 -
[348] - Quote
If this happens I really hope this doesn't turn out like star wars galaxies. "Great niche but they want to expand so wow clone" |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24650
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Posted - 2017.01.24 09:09:33 -
[349] - Quote
WoW is only one, usurping its role and position in case of EVE would be like shooting a rocket under yourself to move faster.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Digits Kho
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
83
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Posted - 2017.01.24 21:40:34 -
[350] - Quote
Speakin of EA, does this guy still work at ccp? Link |
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Pestilen Ratte
Artimus Ratte
65
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:06:47 -
[351] - Quote
It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.
The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.
I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?
If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.
Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land. I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.
Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
8200
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:45:26 -
[352] - Quote
I still think the MMO part of the Eve brand is going to be the dinosaur in the room. It's already gone "Freemium".
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
24882
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Posted - 2017.01.29 10:59:06 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth. As much as someone is willing to give. Not much in my oppinion. For sure not as much as the numbers that fly in those news. They are ridiculous. But then, when they want to sell, they will obviously throw as much as their business, greedy finance guy is able to escape with, without being accused of a mental health problem.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
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King Aires
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:29:05 -
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Pestilen Ratte wrote:It is interesting to wonder how much folks think CCP are worth.
The business model is tech based, so that is a plus in modern markets. However, Iceland is sort of European and so has crazy high labour costs, for unit of productivity. And then there are the costs of getting folks to and from Iceland. So that would be a huge negative, being located in Iceland.
I think the big question must be the revenue and debt situation, especially since Valk. Eve has revenues that can be guessed at, but nobody knows how much money Valkerie made or lost. We do know that CCP went to capital markets to borrow marketing budget for the global release, which was telling. That means CCP was getting the major piece of the game sales, but that they were having to bet the farm on promoting it themselves. Who knows how that went?
If it went well (Valk sold vast number of copies), then CCP might be for sale because the owners can ask a staggering amount of money in the brave new world of VR gaming. If it went badly, CCP might be for sale because the revenues from Eve can't hope to support all the Eve staff and the Valk debt at the same time. The answer would be to wind down staff costs, wind up Eve revenues, and hope like hell the some sucker buys the firm before folks realise that the debt from the Valk scheme broke the firm.
Now when CCP went to private capital markets to get skin in the game for Valk, my impression was that all was not well in VR land. I mean, lookit. CCP already had zuckerberg and facebook as partners. So they couldn't get a cheap marketing deal there? Really? And Sony, who tend to know what they are doing, refused to make any single game a major headline for their VR platform. I understand their reasoning was that they did not wish to favour any studio, for fear of discouraging others.
Regardless, it would lovely to look at the financials, and get a feel for what the company is worth, and what they are asking.
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk. |
Arthur Aihaken
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:52:33 -
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[tinfoil]
The development cycle has slowed to a crawl and CCP has missed numerous release dates for relatively simple features (SKINs anyone?) Why? Due dilligence and everyone is most likely interviewing with the prospective new buyer.
Big announcement at FanFest 2017: We're sold!
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I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2017.01.29 13:59:44 -
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King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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King Aires
POS Party Ember Sands
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:19:08 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also.
It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation.
Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs.
Edit: Ok, the PlayVR is selling like crap. They wanted to have 2.6m units sold in 2016 and they barely broke half a mil. Oculus was anticipating 350k sold and fell short. At least according to Gamestop.
I know everyone with Oculus got Valk, but the PS guys would have to shell out another 45usd for that, and I bet not all did. |
Nana Skalski
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:21:57 -
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King Aires wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:King Aires wrote:
We know sorta how well (or badly) Valk went.
Oculus won't release hard numbers of VR sales but HTC kinda will.
Steam and Epic Games have both stated that HTC has out sold Oculus 2-1 and total estimated VR purchases for PC platforms have been fairly consistent at half a million.
Which means at best 200k Oculus have been sold. Which up until recently meant a max of 200k Valk copies along with it.
The problem is, how little was CCP making off their promotional bundle deal with Facebook?
All I can say for sure is at 200k units, Valk is a horrible failure, especially taking on 20 or more million in debt to develop.
And again, we see the profits from Eve being used to fund ideas of the future for CCP, for better or worse. We are just the cow from which they are getting their milk.
What about PlayStation VR? Valkyrie is available there also. It is now, but prior to the Holidays they didn't have support for it yet. Like I said, it was just a rough estimation. Essentially though adding all the VR sales together, even if every one who bought VR also bought Valk, I don't think it is profitable yet and that isn't even including operating costs. They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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King Aires
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Posted - 2017.01.29 14:24:11 -
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Nana Skalski wrote: They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.01.29 15:26:04 -
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King Aires wrote:Nana Skalski wrote: They also have microtransactions in Valkyrie. I think they at least covered their expenses with those games.
lol, no I highly doubt they covered even a fraction of their expense.
Well, Valkyrie was developed for real cheap. The core was an after hours project by a bunch of developers, and when it was greenlighted for full production, it got a 14 men team in Newcastle. I would venture development for Valkyrie it's below the 2 million $, including Hollywood voice acting.
The 30 million loan was to develop future porjects, and the value of those projects is what really matters since if VR fails, those projects and thus the 30 millon and CCP will be worth a lot less than currently.
What's true is that VR numbers are bad and they could be in a vicious circle. Who's gonna spend money developing a AAA game for a pool of just 700,000 Sony VR devices? And who's gonna buy a VR set to play the kind of game you can develop when you expect single digit million $ in return? |
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