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Adama Stevens
Widgets Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.12.11 00:50:13 -
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Hello industrialists!
Rens has far too long been a non-entity. Back in the good oleGÇÖ daysGǪ whenever the hell that wasGǪ Rens actually was a decent market hub.
Due to a litany of factors, itGÇÖs dropped off. Only people who use it are ones who have to, or divert over to Hek, even Dodixie.
With the long flight to Jita, Rens is desolate.
Nothing against those places, but letGÇÖs try and make Rens great again.
With the influx of new players, most of them go to missioning or indy to start. WouldnGÇÖt it be cool if we, as a community, weGÇÖre so malicious and sadistic towards them? The newbros now are the ones who will help keep the game going after all us bittervets stop playing due to either marriage or die from complications from drinking too much Monster energy drinks.
IGÇÖve made a channel: Minmatar Industrialists IGÇÖve also made a mailing list by the same name.
GÇ£YouGÇÖre just helping gankers/CODE alt! Etc etcGÇ¥ Read the MOTD in the channel.
IGÇÖm calling on those local to Rens and those in nullsec, from Cobalt Edge to Providence, down to Paragon Soul and over to Cache; the South, the East, and all that encompasses.
Divert your industrial output to Rens. Lower the prices, compete, get people staying in the Minmatar (and even Ammatar) empires. Instead of smashing everything into Jita, letGÇÖs spread it out and give more breathing room to new players.
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Another Posting Alt
Zerious Fricken Biziness
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Posted - 2016.12.11 01:30:01 -
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What's wrong with Hek? It's only a few jumps from Rens and is already a fairly good hub.
You can't artificially force these things without enough resources to overcome environmental conditions. You'd be fighting against a few thousand pilots to change this. The hubs are where they are for a reason, not because somebody flipped a coin. It's not that Rens is only slightly worse than Hek as a trade hub and therefore only needs a little push. |
Casiella Truza
Ecliptic Rift
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Posted - 2016.12.11 01:41:14 -
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It's so odd how Rens used to be a much bigger hub than Hek, and now... it's not. I'm too lazy to move all my operations over to Metropolis, though, at least for now. |
Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
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Posted - 2016.12.11 02:27:42 -
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Why not make Hek the new hub (pretending of course that any one person could "make" a system a major trade Hub)?
It would allow more access to low sec low lifes, Boundless creation is a great station for a Hub, Hek is at or near major junctions for high and low sec, and the locals are friendly and helpful!
Come on down to Hek to sell your stuff. We'd love to have you.
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Pix Severus
Empty You
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Posted - 2016.12.11 02:52:08 -
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Hek is a lot more fun, thanks to its lower sec status and closer proximity to more low sec systems. Not to mention the Sisters of EVE mission hub just 2 jumps away.
It would be a shame to see Rens die, however.
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Princess Adhara
University of Caille Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 03:24:19 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Hek is a lot more fun, thanks to its lower sec status and closer proximity to more low sec systems. Not to mention the Sisters of EVE mission hub just 2 jumps away.
It would be a shame to see Rens die, however.
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Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
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Posted - 2016.12.11 04:45:09 -
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Hek's always been the dump of the two. Mission runners, low sec pvp experimenters, FW guys. Rens was always for mini-Jita types. If we have to have only one hub for Min like the other factions, I'd vote for Hek scumbags.
Start the bubble machine!
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.12.11 05:14:15 -
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Hek is a **** hole, always was always will be. |
Zimmy Zeta
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.11 06:28:09 -
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Adama Stevens wrote:...
Divert your industrial output to Rens. Lower the prices, compete, get people staying in the Minmatar (and even Ammatar) empires. Instead of smashing everything into Jita, letGÇÖs spread it out and give more breathing room to new players.
I don't think that's going to work. If the prices in Rens were lower, producers and traders would make the few extra jumps to sell the stuff in Hek for a much better price instead. You know, free market and all that. And even if people would offer discounted wares in Rens, it wouldn't take too long until a few smart ****** would buy it all, cram it into a freighter and go sell it for profit in Hek.
I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it.
Yes, I do feel bad about it.
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Ryu Kr'll
Altruism. Triggerkittens
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Posted - 2016.12.11 07:36:49 -
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Vigirr wrote:Rens is a **** hole, always was always will be.
appoligies good sir. but i do believe you miss-spelled "Rens" as "Hek"
Let me correct that for you!
in all seriousness tho, rens would be a decent trade hub if prices where lowered.
or alternatively. if MC somehow magically grew balls to push into low sec instead of war decing every newbie in a somewhat newly established corp / alliance. wont believe how many MC members camp rens within the day :D its to funny to see thats all that they do every day for content. but granted Hek is even worse.
also all the multi boxing alts that they have just cloaking in neighboring systems just to see if there is any more fresh meat to come in / near system.
but yeah quite a few factors play into why exactly rens is falling off. |
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.11 10:01:22 -
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I love that these two competing markets exist in such close proximity. Im amazed Rens has lasted as long as it has.
Such a refreshing economic/geographic contradiction to the otherwise unending flow of material to and from Jita.
Im not an economist or industrialist, but I think this kind of market competition adds so muxh more character and granularity to the function of trade hubs in HS, and EVE overall.
Currently regional hubs are largely only differentiated by particular modules sourced from nearby, nearness to FW/NS space and invariably shipped from there to Jita. One of the "problems" is its just so cheap, safe and fast to contract shipments to and from Jita.
In my view, the game itself would be better with several competing hubs, rather than the monolith that is Jita. I base this on the principle that the competition/exchange between multiple hubs creates more instances of interaction/dynamics/do petition, than a single monolitic trade hub.
Ill consider contributing my modest output to Rens, out of solidarity for Minmatar and to support this unique market duality between Hek/Rens, though it will cost me profits.
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
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Posted - 2016.12.11 10:06:07 -
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Hek is central to a bunch of static sites that drop loot needed for stoyline mods you make from the bpcs earned from COSMOS missions in the area. That and the lowsec pipe. So people need stuff right there right now. "Make X Great Again" = "I Got No Ideas Just Spew Memes"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.11 12:22:16 -
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For the past +8 years of playing this game, Rens has been and always will be my main go to Market.
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Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
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Posted - 2016.12.12 01:39:06 -
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Vigirr wrote:Hek is a **** hole, always was always will be.
I take issue with this sir! This is libel of the most scandalous order! Hek is not a shithole, it is THE shithole!
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.12.12 03:10:03 -
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Teonusude is way cooler than both Rens and Hek Shop Vherokior!
@lunettelulu7
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Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
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Posted - 2016.12.12 03:48:50 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Teonusude is way cooler than both Rens and Hek Shop Vherokior!
Pfft. Might as well ask them to shop Eldulf.
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Val Kaleth
Kippered Snacks
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Posted - 2016.12.12 04:13:41 -
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I am all about Minmatar, but YUK on the title of this thread .
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
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Posted - 2016.12.12 05:08:26 -
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Dyllan Ybrex wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Teonusude is way cooler than both Rens and Hek Shop Vherokior! Pfft. Might as well ask them to shop Eldulf.
Do you live there? What happens there on that little island?
@lunettelulu7
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Dyllan Ybrex
Sanguis Inceptum
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Posted - 2016.12.12 06:45:20 -
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Lulu Lunette wrote:Dyllan Ybrex wrote:Lulu Lunette wrote:Teonusude is way cooler than both Rens and Hek Shop Vherokior! Pfft. Might as well ask them to shop Eldulf. Do you live there? What happens there on that little island?
I pass through there when I sneak into Great Wildlands. Miners, mining, is what happens there.
> "I find it hard to believe that the notoriously incompetent DED investigators managed to solve this 'mystery' in such a short time" ~ Omir Sarikusa
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Aurelius Oshidashi
Hard-line Syndicate Serrice Council.
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Posted - 2016.12.12 07:56:33 -
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For what it's worth, I was looking for good deals on a wide range of modules this weekend and Rens was next to Jita and Diodixie where I find those good deals ) |
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Deckel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
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Posted - 2016.12.12 09:01:51 -
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instead of saying "Come to Rens to make it better" you should really have a convincing argument. Do you even know why it is the weakest of the 4 major hub? do you know what it is lacking to make it better?
Lets review points on some of what a hub needs or make it desirable: -Easy access to lowsec for jump freighters, and ship combat areas. -Advantageous Jump Proximity to large swaths of Nullsec/Low regions. -Plentiful competitively priced materials (Mineral, Ice, Salvage, PI, Moon materials) -Variety of nearby Missions for feeding Salvage, Meta modules, and faction gear. -High security rating to limit the ease of ganking. -Close Access to multiple other regions for market trading. -Lack of competition that can offer much of the above more competitively.
Unless I'm mistaken, I believe a big contribution to the Hek's competitiveness is the plentiful faction gear and the need to supply faction warfare with gear. It having closer proximity to Jita than Rens also means some supportive market interchange between the two becomes easier than the same arrangements with Rens. On the other hand, Rens has a slightly better proximity to the outer Null areas and traffic flow than Hek, but probably not enough to matter.
In my opinion to make a strong Minmatar hub will require Rens and Hek traffic either joining forces with closer proximity or moving further apart. Hek cannot become a main hub because of its low security status, but its activity is fed by location based activities so it cannot really move. Rens on the other hand, while it has a decent location, it is not great. So my conclusion is that in order to "Make Minmatar great again" Rens traffic would need to move.
Possible other locations that could work for a trade hub are: -Eystur (1 jump out of Hek, good access to Metropolis region and decent access to Molden Heath + could easily suck up all the traffic in both regions) -Eram or Elgoi (3 or 4 jumps from Hek, 5 or 6 from Rens. Great distinctive access to the Low and Null sec outer regions) -Sasta (unfortunately in Ammatar Mandate territory and also likely terrible mission and station access in immediate area, but I don't know the area well. 3 jumps further from Hek than Rens and located on a main 'Safe route' to Amarr.)
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Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
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Posted - 2016.12.12 10:53:12 -
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I like Minmatar. But to be honest I recently pulled out of Rens, undocking and moving my trade toon ther who spent past few years in Rens. I just did not feel it was worth it anymore for her to stay there, while she could use her skills/trade slots elsewhere with more benefit.
So although I do love Minmatar, only second to my native Gallebte, I finally gave up and pulled out.
So I will no longer contribute directly to 'make Minmatar great again'. Having said that, I have long been wanting to make Amarr bad. I have not yet reached the capital level I want to do this, but it's always on my wish list - burn Amarr.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
860
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Posted - 2016.12.12 13:23:19 -
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Rens, Hek, and Dodixie barely add up to Amarr in both number of orders and value
http://eve-marketdata.com/station.php?step=Rank
Biggest problem for Rens is that before the alphas there was barely ever over 100 people there during my time zone (20:00-02:00 Yulai) 3 trillion ISK but a population more like Stacmon local chat. Even when I was brand new, I realized Dodixie was better than both Hek or Rens.
How to make it great again? Was it ever?
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2016.12.12 13:28:33 -
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They have this beauty of a run down, rusty doors, backwater, run-by-a-one-eyed-pirate depots.
Would be great if there would be a spaceship junkyard near the station.
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Adama Stevens
Widgets Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.12.15 07:18:29 -
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Dyllan Ybrex wrote:Why not make Hek the new hub (pretending of course that any one person could "make" a system a major trade Hub)?
It would allow more access to low sec low lifes, Boundless creation is a great station for a Hub, Hek is at or near major junctions for high and low sec, and the locals are friendly and helpful!
Come on down to Hek to sell your stuff. We'd love to have you.
"Any one person"
I'm calling upon people. I hope this grows on it's own. Hek, Rens, Teon... whatever. I'm just trying to help out the Rustlands :P |
Adama Stevens
Widgets Anonymous
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Posted - 2016.12.15 07:20:00 -
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Toobo wrote:I like Minmatar. But to be honest I recently pulled out of Rens, undocking and moving my trade toon ther who spent past few years in Rens. I just did not feel it was worth it anymore for her to stay there, while she could use her skills/trade slots elsewhere with more benefit.
So although I do love Minmatar, only second to my native Gallebte, I finally gave up and pulled out.
So I will no longer contribute directly to 'make Minmatar great again'. Having said that, I have long been wanting to make Amarr bad. I have not yet reached the capital level I want to do this, but it's always on my wish list - burn Amarr.
if you buy the place out... divert it to Rens/Teon/Hek for profit... THAT will change things! Hell, I'll help you move all that if you do! |
Othran
Route One
750
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Posted - 2016.12.15 13:50:58 -
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Rens has been a shithole for 5 years+ and nothing is going to change that.
Initially it was popular because of agents - then CCP moved most of them out.
Then it was popular because Uplingur (Derelik) was only 3 hops away & that used to be the low-sec staging post for much of the null-sec south. Nice & easy jump in for JFs, market hub 3 hops away.
Time moves on & its popular because of Factional Warfare - back when that wasn't FarmFest.
Now? There's not a lot of reasons to use Rens anymore other than habit/having shitloads of crap there you can't be arsed moving |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2016.12.24 16:56:26 -
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My original home was Bosena. Now I'm located in the Black Rise region. This is mainly because I'm a pirate by trade and the action seems to be around here as well other locations.
I do have a drug lab setup, both in Rise and an inactive one in Bosena. My alts who run this are both industry and maxed out traders (i.e.: jump freighters etc).
What could I do with those assets to help this initiative? I used to trade in Rens -> Teon, but has since moved. I have no problems bringing my scumbag ways back to Bosena if there is isk to be made.
Famine Aligher'ri - Original Solo Pirate
Former The Pirate Syndicate Member
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Former BioMass Cartel member
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Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
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Posted - 2016.12.24 17:20:57 -
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everytime i go into minny space i always lock my ship |
Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.24 17:23:24 -
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Tanuki Kittybeta wrote:everytime i go into minny space i always lock my ship
dats raysist... :(
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