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Kramer Verone
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.08 22:48:00 -
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First of all, like with all things, there are different kinds of pirates/pvp'ers, healthy ones that prefer strategy over gank, and the others that do whatever it takes to maximize efficiency, even go as far as to abuse game mechanics regularly. I would not call them dishonorable, but I will call them lame and just poor pvpÆers to be honest.
I'm just asking the pirates/mercs now, carebears be quiet, your opinions don't matter in this issue.
Where are we at? Is it okay to logoff after gangking someone, when his friends come after you? is it okay to logoff during a jump to minimize chances of probing?
And if so, how can you whine about logging carebears? ( I know, some of use are lame hypocrites, thatÆs why)
Do you honestly believe that if you manage to safespot, that the combat is over and you are allowed to logoff? Please don't bring up the legitimate loggoff use here, the M. Pire dudes I mention log back to check if the coast is clear, and rinse/repeat.
Is it fun to do this? I donÆt feel that at all. I accept the fact that playing in eve has a risk of loosing time acquired assets, and if you canÆt face it, play another game, gtfo of eve. This game is simply not for you, youÆre not good enough, nor smart enough.
can I fraps them and petition?
I am also thinking of coordinating the creation of a website with fraps of loggers, obviously this would only affect players who care about eve, not those who use it like a drug for cheap thrills, the ex-wow crowd.
disclaimer: I pvp. I probe. I love eve. I will not leave. You canÆt have my stuff. Besides putting a more than one recon pilot in every system of my region, I donÆt think itÆs possible to catch certain loggers whoÆve mastered their art of the mighty logoffski.
Honest discussion welcomed, lamers will be ignored, and yes, I realize this topic has been beaten to death, but it will keep coming up as there is a problem here.
Your truly,
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Rule2k
Fate.
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:02:00 -
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zwerg
mUfFiN fAcToRy
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:10:00 -
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1/10
i mean just a scenario:
Local: 4 ( piwat a,b,c, beta assie carebear )
piwat a > POD RANSOM POD RANSOM ( ship = half structure )
piwat b ( in interceptor uber officer sensor booster, best skills, gamemaster )
> ill get it ILL GET IT
piwat c > YARRRR ITS A BETA ASSIEEEE!!! LETS RANSOM FOR BBQ ISK
piwat b/a/c > YARRRRRRRRRRRRr
Local: 3 ( piwats )
piwat b > MY UBER HAXXZOR GENERATE BUTTOM DIDNT HELP ME NEITHER FFS BBQ?!
piwat a > NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
piwat c > * leaves game *
at home by carebear ( watching animal channel )
carebear > *smiles* HAHA PERFECT GAME FOR PUSSIES
thats for your topic noob
... they call me "the lil one" :(
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:14:00 -
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when you quit can i have your stuff?
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Lobster Man
e X i l e
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:36:00 -
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 Originally by: Commander Thrawn
when you quit can i have your stuff?
mee 2
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Jex Jast on 08/04/2007 23:36:30
When you can log is all about someone's personal opinion, and there's no real way to define it without running through a case-by-case (unless you're an extremist one way or the other).
Let me run you through mine and maybe you'll get an idea of how I sort it out. I am positive people will disagree but that's Eve forums for you:
1v1, agreed: No
1v1, involuntary: No
Gank against you: No
Gank for you: Absolutely not
Fleet battle: No
Gang v Gang: No
Safespot rules:
In a fight, losing, safespot: Not right away. Warp around between safes for a while. SS+Log is just being a pansy.
Safespotting in unoccupied space: Yeah, you're not hiding from an aggressor, you're just leaving.
Safespotting in occupied space (potentially hostile): Yes. No need for you to stick around and do nothing out of honor if you weren't fighting with them already. That's called inviting them to kill you.
Basically I guess I'd say if you're doing it to avoid a fight starting, do it. If you're doing it to escape from a fight that you were fool enough to get into, even if you've safespotted, no. Learn to get out of a fight, completely out, without leaving the game. Leave later, when you've proven that you can adequately avoid them and now you're just wasting time.
Edit: Oh and btw I hope you're not trying to use Verone's name to your advantage in any way, and you just HAPPEN to have chosen the name Verone as part of your character name...but as he's an alt, I doubt it...
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:49:00 -
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In my opinion activating a stargate/undocking/agression against npc or pc gives you the 15 minute timer. To reduce logoff tactics. Of course maybe activating your warp drive gives you a timer as well. Log off tactics ftl!
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Kramer Verone
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.08 23:55:00 -
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Jex Jast,
Kramer Verone was not meant to relate to the Verone, whom I never met.
Thank you very much for your sensible opinion, let's hear more of it folks.
I'm not looking for people to agree with me, just looking too see how people feel about it, and how they reason the practice.
Why a few got offended, I have no idea, they probably have reading difficulties.
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.09 01:44:00 -
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This character is in no way, shape or form related to me. 
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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Xori Ruscuv
Takin' a break
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Posted - 2007.04.09 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
This character is in no way, shape or form related to me.
In Veto pub channel:
Quote:
Xori Ruscuv > oog: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=503916<br>wtf, someone calling themselves "kramer verone"?
Xori Ruscuv > ahh verone already posted there
Xori Ruscuv > hehehehehe
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Verone
Veto.
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.04.09 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Xori Ruscuv
Originally by: Verone
This character is in no way, shape or form related to me.
In Veto pub channel:
Quote:
Xori Ruscuv > oog: http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=503916<br>wtf, someone calling themselves "kramer verone"?
Xori Ruscuv > ahh verone already posted there
Xori Ruscuv > hehehehehe
>>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
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ry ry
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:02:00 -
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This thread had been closed this thread on medical grounds. it was making me feel sick.
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Jex Jast
Go for the booty
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Posted - 2007.04.09 02:42:00 -
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Lol look I'm in a not-really-locked thread.
I figured as much, Verone. Just wanted to make sure someone wasn't trying to steal your reputation or some such nonsense. I look out for fellow past/present forum presences. I can't really say trolls or *****s..."notable personalities" I guess.
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Grim Fantago
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.04.09 08:14:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone
Do you honestly believe that if you manage to safespot, that the combat is over and you are allowed to logoff?
Yes.
First I want to tell that i have never used logoffski to save my ship or pod. If i jump in a hostile camp in a ship that cant escape.. well.. then i fight and die. That means i did poor job in scouting, gathering intel and therefore deserve to die.
So as you see i am against logoffskis, but what you are saying in quoted part is absolutely stupid. Do you think i wouldnt be allowed to log in safespot? Thats just redicilous. If i get to safespot then fight is over. I can warp around, make new safespots and you would never probe me out. But thats just boring and stupid. If i was in a hostile system with no chances to fight out i would wait for aggro timer to expire and log. Warping around all the time < watching cool movies or having fun somehow else IRL.
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:15:00 -
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Edited by: Brisi on 09/04/2007 16:12:36
The way I see it, it is never okay logoff if you in combat, or about to be (i.e, if you jump through a gate, and logoff before anyone can aggress you).
Otherwise, you can log as you please. If you've killed someone and waited out your timer, then it's the hunter's own fault for not getting you in time. Anyone who logs on a timer, can be probed and killed easily.
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Thread Winner
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:19:00 -
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Relevant
Support the anti logoff tactics movement
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Kramer Verone
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Fantago
So as you see i am against logoffskis, but what you are saying in quoted part is absolutely stupid. Do you think i wouldnt be allowed to log in safespot? Thats just redicilous. If i get to safespot then fight is over. I can warp around, make new safespots and you would never probe me out. But thats just boring and stupid. If i was in a hostile system with no chances to fight out i would wait for aggro timer to expire and log. Warping around all the time < watching cool movies or having fun somehow else IRL.
valid argument
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Kramer Verone
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Brisi
Edited by: Brisi on 09/04/2007 16:12:36
Otherwise, you can log as you please. If you've killed someone and waited out your timer, then it's the hunter's own fault for not getting you in time. Anyone who logs on a timer, can be probed and killed easily.
case closed, thank you all
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Christopher Dalran
Gallente
Deadly Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Christopher Dalran on 09/04/2007 18:05:19
Its ok to log off if you need to go or be somewhere.
Its NOT ok to log of because you dont want to get blown up.
Unfortunatly its impossible to tell the difference between the 2 when its someone else.
If I feel someone logged off for the sole reason of avoiding reprisal instead of just geting back at them if the chance presents itself i'll work by butt off going after them for logging off. That is realy all you can do against them, be extra tough on them and show no mercy or sympathy for scum.
Usually what I do to determine if someone logged off just to escape is add them to my buddy list and see if they come back a short time later. If your still around they log back off again, accept no excuses for suspicious people because they will all lie.
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Kramer Verone
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
camp them
yeah we do, logs on, back off. I imagine he has 2 characters so he plays with the other and is not bothered in the least bit.
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Brisi
Veto.
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Posted - 2007.04.09 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: Christopher Dalran
It's NOT ok to log of because you dont want to get blown up.
So let's say a pirate kills you. When you want to get your vengeance, you either pick a bigger ship, or get all your corp mates etc etc, he is not allowed to log out?
Even though he could probably easy dock and you wouldn't be able to touch him?
So while you and your mates camp this guy in, he is not allowed to log out?
Just to make sure that that was your point, if it's not please disregard my next comment.
That's utterly and ******* retarded.
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Liang Nuren
Red 42
CORE.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 00:11:00 -
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I'd say you can log off once your agg timer is done. This, of course, means that if you log off in a safe spot, the only thing that really changes is that now you won't be moving / activating tank when they probe you out and kill you. This is OK in my book - because if they don't find you in the safe spot just sitting there, they wouldn't have found you bouncing between safes either.
I will say that the log off agg timer should count for both the aggressor and the aggressed (anyone involved in PVP). Someone activating their tank, and then logging off, comfortable in the knowledge that their tank can hold you off for 2 minutes is really really lame. Give me my 15 minutes to destroy you! I need more faction loot. 
Liang
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Mi Lai
Under Influence
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Posted - 2007.04.10 04:52:00 -
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Go away. Verone only has one alt.
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Kailiao
The Black Fleet
Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.04.10 05:00:00 -
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I'd rather lose my ship than log-out, what's the point in playing then?
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Riho
Gallente
Magnificent Beavers
Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:23:00 -
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when i get campe din a station.. i never log out... ill just use my alt to do something else or do something else in RL... i let the other guys have fun watching the outside of the station for a few hours if they want :P
but yeah... killing someone and the SSing and logging off insta is REALLY lame tbh. wait ou the 15 minz... then it wount be lame and you are hard to probe out couse your ship will disapear fast :)
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Presidente Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:01:00 -
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Edited by: Presidente Gallente on 10/04/2007 11:02:53
Log-Off is not a feature but it's a +bad½ option. I can understand that some players use it in panic which is crap of course. I used it several times in some l4 mission when I figured out that something's wrong with the client to server connection and I wasn't sure if my 150 Million ship is now going down or not. The problem is from a psychological pov that it is available as +a solution½. Due that fact that you had to spent loads of time for an expensive ship and setup you need really self-discipline to follow your own rules at all costs. Till CCP will not find a solution you can't really reproach for it if log-off is used to survive. But then it's just logical from human beeing behaviour that loads of pilots use it for additional bad tactics. To tell a pie not to use log-off is something similar to tell him please not to camp, ambush, ransom or just let you survive.
I never used a log-off in any kind of PvP ... BUT ... the reason was more: adrenaline and some kind of tunnel vision when 10 campers scrammed and ganked me. I just simply forgot that +option½ every time. Which is fine from my personal rules in EVE but honestly spoken: I can't swear 100% that I never ever will use log-off when running into a gate camp. It depends on my daily mood probably.
But overall a no-no to log-off tactics in EVE.
I hope I will resist and CCP will find a solution.
Pres G
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skandalf
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:33:00 -
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some good points being raised here.
from my own point of view people practising the black art of logoffski is totally uncalled for in any circumstances unless ur already docked in a station or at a pos especially to those of ya who run into a couple of pirates and just log off after warping through a gate.
so if your gonna fly in areas of eve with potential hostiles leave the logging off til ur docked otherwise you shouldnt be flying in lo-sec / 0.0 stick to empire where you belong.
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