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Freyja XI
Gloom Financial Deathtongue Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.12.13 13:50:18 -
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It's no secret that the community are the content for most of our interactions in EVE. A problem I face many times is in making information available to corp members, corp bulletins were perhaps solution to this problem, but in all honesty the in-game web browser filled the gap for those of us that wanted to make vaster amounts of information available.
Not all information is relevant to the entire alliance and corporation, and instead of making a secure website with an API wall or mailing myself tons of preset documents to send out whenever someone needs it, it would be a much more practical solution to link to "documents" to alliance members or even just to other players. It wasn't much of a problem before because a user could open a web browser in-game thus not breaking the focus from the game itself. (EDIT: Just for the record, I don't see corp mailing lists as a solution. That requires someone with the information be always online to send it.) I propose the following solutions to this problem:
Enhanced In-Game Notepad For the most part the mechanisms are there. A note can be dragged amongst the interface to be re-positioned to a different folder structure, why not add a flag (like that found in fleet adverts) which say who can view this. That way you could link in local, corp, alliance chat etc... And be able to create targeted information which could contain corp information, details about an event which you may not wish to put in corp bulletins.
Player-manufactured Books This probably requires more work but would make more sense in the EVE universe, it also is a great political mechanic because it essentially creates an item which contents could be valuable which gives it intrinsic value. In this example it could dangerous for a player to move a book containing critical information about the corporation, though you might choose to use EVE-mail for this. Fleet doctrine emails are scary and often have to be mailed again and again or added to the welcome mail which can be a huge amount to take in for a new player, giving them an in-game item detailing the lot would be a cleaner way of doing it and avoid detracting from the EVE experience, especially for role playing corporations.
Corporation Notepad Definitely don't think this is a new idea, but I want to put it here for completeness sake. I don't think it's as elegant as an upgraded in-game notepad, but could still be a good way to stop people from getting out of game to be a part of a corp.
I really think this should be visited, if it's been posted before I'm sorry but I believe the landscape is different now. We have a huge influx of newer players eager to try the game and expecting them to jump out of the game to engage in player-driven content to make up for functionality which could easily be implemented seems a cop out and really detracts from the experience. I do hope you consider this. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
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Posted - 2016.12.13 15:13:53 -
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A corp note pad would be hella useful for general information. Im kinda using the bulletin board for useful information and the motd as a bulletin board.
A note pad with folders and sub folders would be ideal for keeping the latest corp overview and its instructions, corp locations, noob resources etc. Then i can use the bulletin board for news and events.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2881
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Posted - 2016.12.13 16:03:03 -
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If they implemented all of this...
...we would still probably use Google Docs and our own forums instead.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Kenrailae
mind games. Suddenly Spaceships.
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Posted - 2016.12.13 17:25:05 -
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At least sprucing up the MOTD/Bullitens would be nice. Those are some old interfaces.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3639
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:23:15 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:If they implemented all of this...
...we would still probably use Google Docs and our own forums instead.
Can i share my overview and station book marks in google docs? Serious question
Edit- or share fits for a doctrine so my peeps can just press 'buy all'
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
2890
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Posted - 2016.12.13 20:49:21 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:If they implemented all of this...
...we would still probably use Google Docs and our own forums instead. Can i share my overview and station book marks in google docs? Serious question Edit- or share fits for a doctrine so my peeps can just press 'buy all'
The overview... actually, yes. Bookmarks are sort of special because they're not just a UI thing. They pretty much have to exist solely server side, though I guess some sort of way to reference them via authed-crest is something that could conceivably be done.
I tend to use private channels for accumulated sets of information (e.g., fits) I want to make shareable when I can't just use the corp fittings for whatever reason.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3640
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Posted - 2016.12.13 21:04:36 -
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I'll look into this, but can't imagine it being easier than making notes and just dragging that note into chats/mails/bullet ins/motd.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
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Iain Cariaba
3376
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:22:58 -
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Freyja XI wrote:Enhanced In-Game Notepad Player-manufactured Books Corporation Notepad 1. Why do you need a tag to do your OpSec for you? 2. They're called "forums." Any decent corp has one, and they're very useful for stuff like that. 3. Again, they're called "forums." Then there are many, many sites that allow you to set up white boards for multiple people to use. Google Docs does this fairly well.
Also, if corp mail isn't a solution, why not set up an actual mailing list in game. You can setup welcome messages to distribute information when someone first joins, and they'll automatically get new messages as you post them.
Overall, why should CCP spend any amount of time replacing perfectly good tools with other tools that do the exact same thing in almost the exact same way?
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
EvE is a PvP game. Stop pretending it isn't.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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PopeUrban
El Expedicion Flames of Exile
261
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Posted - 2016.12.13 22:42:52 -
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Corporations have bulletins. So do alliances. This is a shared notepad with all the functions of the existing one.
It would be nice to be able to save a message field as a physical item though, kinda like how you can save bookmarks as items. I'd like to commit my haikus to item form so I could leave them in space for people. |
Freyja XI
Gloom Financial Deathtongue Syndicate
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Posted - 2016.12.14 09:15:25 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Freyja XI wrote:Enhanced In-Game Notepad Player-manufactured Books Corporation Notepad 1. Why do you need a tag to do your OpSec for you? 2. They're called "forums." Any decent corp has one, and they're very useful for stuff like that. 3. Again, they're called "forums." Then there are many, many sites that allow you to set up white boards for multiple people to use. Google Docs does this fairly well. Also, if corp mail isn't a solution, why not set up an actual mailing list in game. You can setup welcome messages to distribute information when someone first joins, and they'll automatically get new messages as you post them. Overall, why should CCP spend any amount of time replacing perfectly good tools with other tools that do the exact same thing in almost the exact same way?
My point is that whilst forums are a solution, they are not a solution I feel that is coherent with the game experience, before there was the web browser so this could at least be an illusion, you could call functions such as 'CCP.ShowContact' and it would open up a contact in the EVE interface. For newer players, having to sign up to an entity outside of the game experience, almost detracts from the experience in itself. Whether you decide this is the better way within your corporation is your choice and opinion.
For a lot of people EVE is seen as a second job, this perception I would argue is partly because of the complexity of the game which I do enjoy, but I think another reason is that for so many corporations now there is so much interaction outside of the game itself that for many people the line between what is EVE and what is not is blurred because so much of the 'in-game' interaction has to happen outside the game. For some people, when they close EVE, they stop playing, when they open EVE they start playing, if your corporation doesn't work like this and you require API walls, out of game forums, comms and all this stuff then sure, but it shouldn't be the only choice just because many people do it. |
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
849
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Posted - 2016.12.14 19:44:46 -
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Just use slack and google docs |
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