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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.14 23:22:00 -
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Alpha clones = marketing tool designed to upgrade players to Omega (=ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦).
Why would they want to make you so happy as an Alpha? =ƒÆ¦=ƒÆ¦
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.14 23:26:52 -
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oh god, please don't let this be the new status quo. Identical threads rehashing the same tl;dr nonsense at least once or twice a day.
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2016.12.14 23:46:59 -
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mkint wrote:oh god, please don't let this be the new status quo. Identical threads rehashing the same tl;dr nonsense at least once or twice a day. GÇ£There is no such thing as a new idea. It is impossible. We simply take a lot of old ideas and put them into a sort of mental kaleidoscope. We give them a turn and they make new and curious combinations. We keep on turning and making new combinations indefinitely; but they are the same old pieces of colored glass that have been in use through all the ages.GÇ¥
~ Mark Twain ~
So, where does this leave us? Should CCP just shut the forums down? =ƒæ«
=ƒªä G¥ñGò½GòƒGòûAGòÑGòûKG¥ñGòÖGòóOUG¥ñ =ƒªä
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8393
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Posted - 2016.12.14 23:49:57 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:I disagree, in fact id say the opposite. Theres not enough focus on pve. Ideally id prefer the game have a robust quest system with deep storys and possibke cutscenes even. But thats from someone who used to play runescape and had the questpoint cape.
Again, there is enough focus on PVE because this is a PVP game. Make PVE too interesting, and people start doing that. You don't bring the games you enjoy to something completely different, and that is what EVE is and is meant to be, something completely different. You want to turn EVE into runescape - it's not happening, so go play runescape instead. You already have that questing experience in Runescape.
EVE is something else, and it's not meant to be like everything else on the market. That's why it doesn't need any more PVE, or new unique rewards for PVE. It already has enough. Just as a PVE game, like runescape, WOW, and SWTOR, has generic and repetitive PVP, so too does this PVP game, EVE Online, have generic and repetitive PVE. It's a facilitator, nothing more.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.14 23:55:03 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I have no idea what I'm talking about but you should play my way because =ƒÆ¬ =ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä=ƒìä
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8393
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:00:34 -
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Clandestiny wrote:I have no counter argument, so I'll just misquote, strawman, and dribble **** without any substance.
I never said you have to play a certain way, I provided a reason why PVE content is not important and shouldn't be the focus in this game. How about you pull your head out of your arse, it might help fix that crook in your neck.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:02:50 -
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Clandestiny wrote:for some reason I'm not playing the game I want to be playing and I don't know why, so make this game into the game I want to be playing or I'll hold my breath and stomp my feet
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:04:22 -
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Remiel Pollard wrote:I never said you have to play a certain way
Remiel Pollard wrote:You want to turn EVE into runescape - it's not happening, so go play runescape instead. Whine much?
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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:07:16 -
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mkint wrote:Clandestiny wrote:for some reason I'm not playing the game I want to be playing and I don't know why, so make this game into the game I want to be playing or I'll hold my breath and stomp my feet =ƒÆ¬ that's funny =ƒÿì
I never ask for changes...learn to read first before you reply =ƒîê
=ƒÄ» =ƒªä Lost One, this is Lost Three, are you lost too? =ƒªä =ƒÄ»
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mkint
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:09:00 -
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Clandestiny wrote:mkint wrote:Clandestiny wrote:for some reason I'm not playing the game I want to be playing and I don't know why, so make this game into the game I want to be playing or I'll hold my breath and stomp my feet *ironic hypocrisy*
Maxim 6. If violence wasnGÇÖt your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8393
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:09:10 -
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Clandestiny wrote:Remiel Pollard wrote:I never said you have to play a certain way Remiel Pollard wrote:You want to turn EVE into runescape - it's not happening, so go play runescape instead. Whine much?
No, not a whine. Simple logic, actually.
This is no different to telling people to go play Sim City or Cities Skylines if they want a city building simulation. At the end of the day, EVE Online is what it is, a single-shard player-driven PVP game without any instancing, and the single most unique gaming experience available right now. And people want to sit here and say, "EVE isn't like this other game that I love, therefore it should be more like it". That's whining. It's also complete and utter rubbish. Yeah, let's turn EVE into something that's just like everything else. Hey, I know! That Ferrari I want to buy doesn't have a back seat for the family. Ferrari should add one. Toyota do it, so Ferrari should too.
This isn't about how someone plays the game, but what the game is that they're playing. So whenever you accuse me of telling people they should play it a certain way when what I'm actually doing is explaining what kind of game they are playing, you are strawmanning me, which means you are not arguing against what I have actually said. You are beating a strawman, and not me or my point, leaving your response as complete and utter vacuous rubbish.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
17
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Posted - 2016.12.15 00:25:08 -
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You guys are just too genius to argue with! I mean, you're using multiple syllable words and stuff. =ƒÆÑ
I surrender to your superior will and knowledge of the Universe. =ƒö¦
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=ƒÄ» Last Chance... =ƒÄ»
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Jotunspor
Aion 514
30
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Posted - 2016.12.15 03:14:29 -
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Alright... Uuuggghhhh...
So.. whoever is actually saying that the game focusing on PVP (which, yes, is the most fun part of the game, easily if you actually look for it) and PVP only defines the experience. Explain the logic behind that. From what I understand, the open-world video game model brings complexity with it. And of course, a lot of content. So if you wanna get LOGICAL... LOGICALLY, I would assume that it is in CCP's best interest to offer gamers as much GAME as possible.
And there is a chance of people moving away from PVP to PVE? That would drive them away from PVP and thus ruin the game? You're putting that sentence and the word "logic" together? If people would entirely move away from PVP in that scenario and move to PVE... wouldn't that literally just summarize what everyone thinks of the game? If people would all move away from the PVP... wouldn't that LOGICALLY mean they find actual, fully realized PVE (and as I've said before, a fully realized game in general; with content) more stimulating in terms of gameplay? There's something very, very wrong with that... So yeah, what was that about logic?
If people ultimately don't want it... then who the hell needs it? It's in CCP's best interest to succeed and make the BEST POSSIBLE GAME THEY CAN MAKE.
And one thing that I've NEVER, EVER mentioned. Something I should have mentioned a long time ago. Is that if they were to actually complete this game. I GUARANTEE that PVP and fully realized/completed EVE/PVE could co-exist with one another. OPEN YOUR EYES. We literally have this happening right now. Take a look around you. Nullsec is where the so-called "sandbox" is shown in its definitive form. HiSec is where more traditional/casual players play. Where the PVE happens. One of the things that truly is impressive about the game is how players have managed to forge out and make a distinction between these two areas of the game. And you know what? I guarantee that it would remain the same once the game were completed. You know why? Because there is no reason NOT TO. If you currently enjoy the purist PVP, Nullsec dwelling experience (or if you're into Hisec PVP, blah), you'd still be doing just that. It wouldn't go anywhere... |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
11130
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Posted - 2016.12.15 03:41:47 -
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Jotunspor wrote:So.. whoever is actually saying that the game focusing on PVP (which, yes, is the most fun part of the game, easily if you actually look for it) and PVP only defines the experience. Explain the logic behind that. From what I understand, the open-world video game model brings complexity with it. And of course, a lot of content. So if you wanna get LOGICAL... LOGICALLY, I would assume that it is in CCP's best interest to offer gamers as much GAME as possible. Okay... here is the logic behind it:
Crumplecorn wrote:"It's a sandbox"
EVE is a sandbox, so I should be able to do whatever I want, right? EVE is indeed a sandbox, however it is a Multiplayer Sandbox.
The definition of a sandbox is not "I can do whatever I want", it is that rather than providing a specific experience, the game provides an environment and tools with which to craft your own experience.
For single-player games, these definitions are functionally the same. The problem with a multiplayer sandbox is that not only can you do whatever you want, so can everyone else. You want to mine in highsec in complete peace? The game lets you. It's the other players that are the problem.
The hypocrisy of demanding the freedom to do what you like, while simultaneously demanding or celebrating the curtailment of other people's playstyles should be self-evident, but apparently it's not.
More or less quoted from this thread: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=482176#post482176
Also... EVE's Official New Player FAQ pretty much spells it out.
On page 22:
Quote:The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is full time PvP in a sandbox environment. As has been mentioned in previous sections any player can engage another player at any time in any place. In high-sec space there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish. In low-sec and null-sec, there are no limitations to PvP at all.
Quote:7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided.
How did you Veterans start?
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8400
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Posted - 2016.12.15 04:04:19 -
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Jotunspor wrote: If people ultimately don't want it... then who the hell needs it? It's in CCP's best interest to succeed and make the BEST POSSIBLE GAME THEY CAN MAKE.
Yes, and they do that by making it the most unique gaming experience available, which means not copying other MMO's and using the cookie-cutter elements they all share. EVE Online has been around for almost 14 years now, one year longer than WoW has existed. You seem to think CCP needs your help to make it successful. They really don't.
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
- Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
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Nosum Hseebnrido
Interregnum.
12
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Posted - 2016.12.15 06:58:34 -
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Agony Etain wrote:Again I'll explain this later.
...and I stopped reading.
Just paid sub to enjoy game - is it too much for you? Then find new job that gives you more money and free time.
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ISD Decoy
isd community communications liaisons
1686
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Posted - 2016.12.15 07:31:28 -
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I've removed some off-topic posts and those quoting them.
Quote:27. Off-topic posting is prohibited.
Off-topic posting is permitted within reason, as sometimes a single comment may color or lighten the tone of discussion. However, excessive posting of off-topic remarks in an attempt to derail a thread may result in the thread being locked, or a forum warning being issued to the off-topic poster.
ISD Decoy
Captain
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Salvos Rhoska
1688
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Posted - 2016.12.15 15:14:45 -
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PvP pervades the fundamental nature of EVE.
PvE exists, but is susceptible to PvP, at all times and all instances.
PvP underlies everything in EVE
Note how all green PvE activity reticles float on and within the underlying red PvP reticle.
There is no escape from PvP except whilst ship-spinning in a station.
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Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:53:53 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:TL;DR?
I'm guessing it's along the lines of "give alphas more free stuff".
Nah, it's really about making the game more appealing towards alphas and make them want more, but with out giving them anything that would actually make them able to compete against omegas. Apparently at the moment it feels more like a trial rather than a game for alphas.
Remember, due to the network effect, any players in a game is a valuable asset, whether they pay for the game or not, since the more people, the more likely they are to play. Just take old games like WoW, they're basically dead in terms of content and what they have to offer, but tons of people stick around just because other people are sticking around as well. The network effect. |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
591
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:35:42 -
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Logan Revelore wrote:Apparently at the moment it feels more like a trial rather than a game for alphas.
it is actually like that.
alphas gives newbros 'time' to learn the game that is difficult to do with the previous 12/21 days trial.
if you like the game, then sub up.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14995
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:42:14 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:TL;DR?
I'm guessing it's along the lines of "give alphas more free stuff".
Yep, with a side of "more PVE please" to go along with it.
CCP has bee stuffing this game with PVE since I started playing (pve in 2007 was missions, cosmos, plexes static and non static, and belt rats), new AIO, new capabilities, new and better rewards.
And still people complain. This should be proof enough that no amount of Adding PVE is going to satisfy these types. And those of us who already like EVE's PVE know it has enough of it (most people who complain about PVE don't even PVE by the way, hell oook at how barren the Missions and Complexes forum usually is).
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Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:07:35 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:TL;DR?
I'm guessing it's along the lines of "give alphas more free stuff". Yep, with a side of "more PVE please" to go along with it. CCP has bee stuffing this game with PVE since I started playing (pve in 2007 was missions, cosmos, plexes static and non static, and belt rats), new AIO, new capabilities, new and better rewards. And still people complain. This should be proof enough that no amount of Adding PVE is going to satisfy these types. And those of us who already like EVE's PVE know it has enough of it (most people who complain about PVE don't even PVE by the way, hell oook at how barren the Missions and Complexes forum usually is). If Alphas want more to do, they should sub.
WHAT?
"Stuffed with PVE" ?
What are you talking about.....?
CCP is ONLY doing something for PVP...way to much.....
There is the SAME pve mission pool since release and NOTING is done to update it or construct storylines around it.....
And even it it would be...you could BET some idiots that think they have the right to do so will try to hinder you due scanning out your mission spot and getting your mission critical item....
THIS is the problem....
There has to be a FORCE that hinders idiots to jump on your head and harras you in that way.....
Any non willing PVP or stealing critical loot or even scanning out a mission should be prohibited.....
No griefing in high.....
But i can hear the harrasment fans "i do it cause i can.Eve is a pvp game.....ect p.p. For some people only THEIR way to play the game counts...all other players that don't share their strange hobby are just loosers that deserve disrespect,,,,,
Bullshit.....
One has to let the other play HIS game at least in high and should otherwise be punished with a ban.....
Bottom line..... |
Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:13:57 -
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And exactly this has to be changed.....
Let the people play the game as they want to...and if that means non pvp flag than let this be so.....
No animals will be harmed during the filming...just the selfrespect of a couple of griefers will be cut.....and that's a good thing..... :-) |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
14997
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:17:17 -
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Ravas Geloris wrote:[
WHAT?
"Stuffed with PVE" ?
What are you talking about.....?
CCP is ONLY doing something for PVP...way to much.....
And this is untrue. Incursions (sansha and for a while, Drifter), Drifters, Burner missions. Clone soldiers. New complexes in 2011. Lvl 5 missions. Epic Arcs. Pirate Epic Arcs. Wormholes (sleepers). New loot since 2012 (like Gistum/Pithum invuls), Marauders (pve focused ships) etc etc.
There is the SAME pve mission pool since release and NOTING is done to update it or construct storylines around it.....[/quote]
So Dread Pirate Scarlet has been a missions since release?
Quote: And even it it would be...you could BET some idiots that think they have the right to do so will try to hinder you due scanning out your mission spot and getting your mission critical item....
THIS is the problem....
There has to be a FORCE that hinders idiots to jump on your head and harras you in that way.....
Any non willing PVP or stealing critical loot or even scanning out a mission should be prohibited.....
No griefing in high.....
But i can hear the harrasment fans "i do it cause i can.Eve is a pvp game.....ect p.p. For some people only THEIR way to play the game counts...all other players that don't share their strange hobby are just loosers that deserve disrespect,,,,,
Bullshit.....
One has to let the other play HIS game at least in high and should otherwise be punished with a ban.....
Bottom line.....
Your post is a pretty good example of what's wrong with 'carebears'.
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Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:26:15 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Ravas Geloris wrote:[
WHAT?
"Stuffed with PVE" ?
What are you talking about.....?
CCP is ONLY doing something for PVP...way to much..... And this is untrue. Incursions (sansha and for a while, Drifter), Drifters, Burner missions. Clone soldiers. New complexes in 2011. Lvl 5 missions. Epic Arcs. Pirate Epic Arcs. Wormholes (sleepers). New loot since 2012 (like Gistum/Pithum invuls), Marauders (pve focused ships) etc etc. There is the SAME pve mission pool since release and NOTING is done to update it or construct storylines around it.....
So Dread Pirate Scarlet has been a missions since release?
Quote: And even it it would be...you could BET some idiots that think they have the right to do so will try to hinder you due scanning out your mission spot and getting your mission critical item....
THIS is the problem....
There has to be a FORCE that hinders idiots to jump on your head and harras you in that way.....
Any non willing PVP or stealing critical loot or even scanning out a mission should be prohibited.....
No griefing in high.....
But i can hear the harrasment fans "i do it cause i can.Eve is a pvp game.....ect p.p. For some people only THEIR way to play the game counts...all other players that don't share their strange hobby are just loosers that deserve disrespect,,,,,
Bullshit.....
One has to let the other play HIS game at least in high and should otherwise be punished with a ban.....
Bottom line.....
Your post is a pretty good example of what's wrong with 'carebears'. [/quote]
And your post is a pretty good example for the disrespect of PVP players showing all other.......
"only our way to see the game counts" and if someone wants to play his way he is a "carebear" that just want to hinder me in playing the game "the right (my) way"......but "your" way is not "the" way and respecting other ways would be saying "hey...if he wants to do this he should be able even if that means i'm not allowed to shoot him".....
THIS would be respectful and i don't see ANY...not a single PVP player showing that respect.....
I know this look in the mirrow must hurt but i think it's a true sight of pvp here...they think the rule and have lost any contact to others...... |
Kolinthia Lincoln
Apogee Industries The Dominion Alliance
3
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:34:19 -
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Alpha clones are fine the way they are - that said, the expansion advertised the game as free to play.. whereas it's really just a indefinite trial. Whether or not you agree, every single Alpha I've talked to says the same thing. And with the paywall literally in your face on every screen, it isn't attractive to new or returning players. |
Clandestiny
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:45:31 -
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Kolinthia Lincoln wrote:Alpha clones are fine the way they are - that said, the expansion advertised the game as free to play.. whereas it's really just a indefinite trial. Whether or not you agree, every single Alpha I've talked to says the same thing. And with the paywall literally in your face on every screen, it isn't attractive to new or returning players. +1 =ƒÄ»
=ƒÄ» GÇ£People tell me I saved hundreds and hundreds of people. But I have to tell you: ItGÇÖs not the people you saved that you remember. ItGÇÖs the ones you couldnGÇÖt save.GÇ¥ =ƒÄ»
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:56:47 -
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Ravas Geloris wrote:And exactly this has to be changed..... Let the people play the game as they want to...and if that means non pvp flag than let this be so..... No animals will be harmed during the filming...just the selfrespect of a couple of griefers will be cut.....and that's a good thing..... :-)
You dont understand.
There is no escaping the fundamental nature of PVP in EVE, on a one shard server, in all its forms.
Check my link to help you internalize and conceptualize the nature of the game you are playing.
The entire ingame economy and the systemic nature of its existence depends upon this.
If you want to absolutely safely farm dailies, do so in WoW. This will never be possible in EVE.
What you propose is anathema to this game, Its impossible. It would destroy it, utterly. It cannot be done here.
If you want what you propose, I straight up tell you this is not the game for you.
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Ravas Geloris
State War Academy Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2016.12.15 21:01:00 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Ravas Geloris wrote:And exactly this has to be changed..... Let the people play the game as they want to...and if that means non pvp flag than let this be so..... No animals will be harmed during the filming...just the selfrespect of a couple of griefers will be cut.....and that's a good thing..... :-) You dont understand. There is no escaping the fundamental nature of PVP in EVE, on a one shard server, in all its forms. Check my link to help you internalize and conceptualize the nature of the game you are playing. The entire ingame economy and the systemic nature of its existence depends upon this. If you want to absolutely safely farm dailies, do so in WoW. This will never be possible in EVE. What you propose is anathema to this game, Its impossible. It would destroy it, utterly. It cannot be done here. If you want what you propose, I straight up tell you this is not the game for you.
Certainly there is one...it its called "non pvp flagging"....but just mentioning that let others jump bareassed right in your face.......
Part of the problem here..... |
Salvos Rhoska
1689
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Posted - 2016.12.15 21:13:39 -
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Cannot and will not ever happen.
What you are proposing, is as impossible as Blizzard suddenly allowing unrestricted PvP and asset destruction in WoW.
As much as I and many others might hope for that, it would be financial and playerbase suicide for Blizzard.
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