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Ogmento
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Posted - 2016.12.15 12:00:04 -
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So, returning as an alpha has been interesting. I still fall asleep on autopilot to only to wake up and see a pod in the hanger and figure out what happened by reviewing kill reports. That hasn't changed. I have been mostly trying to find a niche that works for me with my limited play time available. I think I am going to focus on battling NPCs and salvage for a bit and see.
Scanning seems to have gotten easier but as an Alpha, I can't really do much with what I find. I would like to see maybe something in between the Alpha and Omega clones. Maybe, a whole bunch of options based on a specific "career" something like
Mu for mining that would unlock the use of mining related skills, ships, and related equipment like mining drones.
Sigma for salvagers, Iota for industrialists
Price wise these would also be somewhere in between free alpha and the 10 USD/month offer I just got for Omega (limited to 90 days). Maybe even as low as 2 USD/month and maybe price discounts for combining them. This kind of low cost pay as you go model that apps use would appeal to me and others who love this game but are really limited in what they can afford to spend in time or money on it.
On an unrelated note, I think that returning Alphas would get a skill reset since in my case a lot of my skill points are locked in Omega only skills.
Thanks for reading this.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.12.15 12:44:46 -
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Yeah you and every other alpha obviously think you should get more for free :) if you want to fly mining barges then sub for pennies a month. There is no need for anything in between alpha and omega. Play the free trial as long as you like, if you wanna play full game pay sub and play.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2016.12.15 14:14:47 -
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CCP may adjust these in any number of ways in future, but that time is not now.
There is a slight arguable flaw in that high SP characters on Alphas cannot train the skills (at Alpha rates) usually accessible to an Alpha, cos of the SP cap.
But this is because Alphas are primarily intended as a replacement for trials, for new players/accounts, not 60mil old toons.
Im sure you will agree it would be silly and unfair that a 60mil Caldari toon that crosstrained into say Amarr ships/skills instead of Caldari, would be able to then train the basic Caldari ships they initially ignored, on Alpha, for free, essentially increasing their 60mil SP for nothing (and at worst, to extract for profit).
Do you see what I mean?
As to "MU/Delta" etc profession specific account options as ypu suggest, who knows. Up to CCP.
The existing profession specific content packs got a huge devaluing due to the previous trial time, as added to "Recruit a Friend" subbing of such content packs, being removed. Sure, most new players didnt know that back then, but nonetheless, content packs now have much less equity, which is only left in frankly very cheap skill books, cheap ships and too little Aurum to do anything with.
I think the content packs where very popular, and I wouldnt be surprised if somewhere down the line CCP issues similar profession content packs that accord to the new Alpha/Omega situation as is now.
I think many new players are prepared fto pay for a profession specific content pack when they enter EVE. Many have a specific (albeit uninformed) idea of what they want to do in EVE, In their minds, they think, do I want to be a PvP fighter? An Industrialist? Helps them define and target what they want to do in the overwhelming variety of options in this sandbox.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.12.15 15:15:44 -
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CCP want you to subscribe, not give them a one off payment of a few $ to fly a better mining barge.
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Siracy Chugster
Kassa Stellar Dynamics
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:15:23 -
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Keno Skir wrote:CCP want you to subscribe, not give them a one off payment of a few $ to fly a better mining barge.
Good lord, could you be more negative and patronising?
You do realise that most MMOs that have a free option have microtransactions that allow you to unlock 'premium' services?
Would it really be a bad thing to have reduced priced subs or one off fees to allow Alphas to unlock a higher tier of ship such as a BC or mining barge? At the end of the day its money in CCP's pocket however it comes in.
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Mike Azariah
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:33:31 -
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while I do not doubt that CCP may have considered these models I would assume they are going to run with just the straight alpha/omega to see how that flies for a much longer period of just one month before they give any alternatives serious weight.
Long range who knows? But if they made a minor clone that could mine for what purpose would you assume that to be? Maybe making isk enough to make a full omega transition? So that would mean that your 2$ subscription idea was actually a step into a full grind for free play (If you were up to it) If that is the plan then why not pony up the price of a plex or two, train for mining and then ride for 'free' with your miner making your isk, now?
If it is just because you so like mining and there was no thought of actually plexing an account with it then enjoy the minimalism of a Venture and go with the flow.
I do not so much question your idea as the motivation/goals behind it. Free is nice, we all see that but free does not put bread on the table of all the employees that run this game. Someone has to buy plex or sub and there has to be a critical mass of those someones.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:54:29 -
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could we have something better than omegas too? then something in between the better than omega and the omega?
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Siracy Chugster
Kassa Stellar Dynamics
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:04:50 -
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Lan Wang wrote:could we have something better than omegas too? then something in between the better than omega and the omega?
I think this is what the OP was suggesting....Im happy with Alphas but would love the ability to unlock ships I have trained and bought if i go form Omega to Alpha
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:12:48 -
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Siracy Chugster wrote:You do realise that most MMOs that have a free option have microtransactions that allow you to unlock 'premium' services?
Would it really be a bad thing to have reduced priced subs or one off fees to allow Alphas to unlock a higher tier of ship such as a BC or mining barge? At the end of the day its money in CCP's pocket however it comes in.
Dont be a sub-snob
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:15:32 -
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Siracy Chugster wrote:Keno Skir wrote:CCP want you to subscribe, not give them a one off payment of a few $ to fly a better mining barge. Good lord, could you be more negative and patronising? You do realise that most MMOs that have a free option have microtransactions that allow you to unlock 'premium' services? Would it really be a bad thing to have reduced priced subs or one off fees to allow Alphas to unlock a higher tier of ship such as a BC or mining barge? At the end of the day its money in CCP's pocket however it comes in. Dont be a sub-snob
He's not being a snob. THAT IS the goal of CCP. We know it is because CCP said it was their goal.
You do realize that MOST mmos last for a year or two and fail. You do realize that MOST MMOs are total rip-offs of someone else's MMO so the intent is to capitalize as much as possible before the copyright notices arrive in the mail. You do realize that MOST MMOs that are nothing but power-creep fests where new content obsoletes old content. You do realize that MOST MMOs are Theme park MMOs where Devs spend six months to a year developing content that player blow through in a few hours and then spend the next 360 days whining about the lack of content. You do realize that most MMOs even when people really enjoy the MMO, the players will leave it for the next "new" game that comes out.
Eve success and longevity is BECAUSE it is not like Most MMOs.
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.12.15 17:55:36 -
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Siracy Chugster wrote:Keno Skir wrote:CCP want you to subscribe, not give them a one off payment of a few $ to fly a better mining barge. Good lord, could you be more negative and patronising? You do realise that most MMOs that have a free option have microtransactions that allow you to unlock 'premium' services? Would it really be a bad thing to have reduced priced subs or one off fees to allow Alphas to unlock a higher tier of ship such as a BC or mining barge? At the end of the day its money in CCP's pocket however it comes in. Dont be a sub-snob
Better question would be WHY are you being negative and patronising?
The answer is, because almost every game that embraces micro transactions becomes a rubbish game almost instantly. The fact you think micro transactions are just money in the pocket same as subs means you have no idea what you're on about and deserve to be patronised. Subs are predictable and regular, a company can attract investment based on this long term income. Micro transactions are what a company does when it cannot attract enough subs to survive and want to rinse the last drops of income from a well flogged horse.
EvE is a great game BECAUSE it doesn't follow the crowd of **** pay to win rubbish. Please stop trying to make EvE just another kiddy fest hand holding transparency.
Is that patronising enough for you? Meaningless forum alt.
EDIT : Well said Irea.
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Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:19:17 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Better question would be WHY are you being negative and patronising?
The answer is, because almost every game that embraces micro transactions becomes a rubbish game almost instantly. The fact you think micro transactions are just money in the pocket same as subs means you have no idea what you're on about and deserve to be patronised. Subs are predictable and regular, a company can attract investment based on this long term income. Micro transactions are what a company does when it cannot attract enough subs to survive and want to rinse the last drops of income from a well flogged horse.
EvE is a great game BECAUSE it doesn't follow the crowd of **** pay to win rubbish. Please stop trying to make EvE just another kiddy fest hand holding transparency.
Is that patronising enough for you? Meaningless forum alt.
EDIT : Well said Irea.
It's also when companies start to put profits above players. You get rid of subscriptions completely and nickle and dime people to death. You want to fly a carrier? That's $1.00 per month. You want to fit deadspace mods? That's $1.50/month. At the end of it, you're paying significantly more than a subscription ever cost to do the same things in game.
It's a smart business move, if your players don't have a competitor to go to, and you care about profits more than people. |
Vorgx
THE FINAL STAND Affirmative.
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Posted - 2016.12.15 19:02:53 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Siracy Chugster wrote:Keno Skir wrote:CCP want you to subscribe, not give them a one off payment of a few $ to fly a better mining barge. Good lord, could you be more negative and patronising? You do realise that most MMOs that have a free option have microtransactions that allow you to unlock 'premium' services? Would it really be a bad thing to have reduced priced subs or one off fees to allow Alphas to unlock a higher tier of ship such as a BC or mining barge? At the end of the day its money in CCP's pocket however it comes in. Dont be a sub-snob Better question would be WHY are you being negative and patronising? The answer is, because almost every game that embraces micro transactions becomes a rubbish game almost instantly. The fact you think micro transactions are just money in the pocket same as subs means you have no idea what you're on about and deserve to be patronised. Subs are predictable and regular, a company can attract investment based on this long term income. Micro transactions are what a company does when it cannot attract enough subs to survive and want to rinse the last drops of income from a well flogged horse. EvE is a great game BECAUSE it doesn't follow the crowd of **** pay to win rubbish. Please stop trying to make EvE just another kiddy fest hand holding transparency. Is that patronising enough for you? Meaningless forum alt. EDIT : Well said Irea.
Not every game that have microtransaction have failed, i can name several that you can play, as for me i would say that alphas are not working for me atm, skills restrictions are awefull to enjoy the game atm, i would say that if ccp remove the skils limitations and mantain the flying limit to cruiser would be great, more than that then you sub, at least that way you can make missions and gather some isk to buy a plex.
when i started to play this game like 8 years ago there were like 60k players online, this days i only see 30 or 35k, so something is not working either in that business model |
Miriam Beckstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:04:49 -
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Vorgx wrote: Not every game that have microtransaction have failed, i can name several that you can play, as for me i would say that alphas are not working for me atm, skills restrictions are awefull to enjoy the game atm,
What are you missing out on that means you can't enjoy the game? What are the omega-only skills that you feel are a requirement for enjoyment?
Apart from a cloak, PI, and t2 or bigger ships, is there anything an alpha can't try out? Or is it just the case that you think it's awful to only have rank 3/4 of most of the skills, and all you want is extra free stuff to fly 95% power instead of 80% power? |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:20:07 -
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Vorgx wrote:
when i started to play this game like 8 years ago there were like 60k players online, this days i only see 30 or 35k, so something is not working either in that business model
8 years ago it wasn't 60k players. It was 60k accounts. The great majority were alt accounts because the old meta basicaly required alt accounts.
The meta has been changing so alt-accounts are no longer required. With dual, and triple, account training and skill injection the trend for multi-boxing accounts has been in a steady decline. Now the number of active accounts more closely reflects the number of active players.
Eve profitability has been on the increase according to the CCP financial reports, so you should'nt make judgements on the efficacy of a corporate business model from a single metric. Since 8 years ago, CCP has introduced a number of new income streams.
The current alpha model is intended to 1. Allow new players to play longer and thus be more likely to sub. 2. Allow established players to maintain their social ties (because the social content is what ultimately keeps players around) and allow them enough skills to be able to make a meaningful contribution to corp and alliance battles, but ultimately the set is meant to be restrictive enough to be somewhat dissatisfying and encourage a subscription for a fuller experience.
The alpha set was determined based on player input and many of the limitations are also because the PLAYERS wanted those limitations (such as no cyno or cloaking, many argue that safety should be locked on...). It is a set that Alliances and corps desire players to have, that is why many corps and alliances recruit alpha players. BECAUSE the alpha set is a USEFULset.
If you do not find it useful enough, please go omega. But don't say that alpha isn't good enough. Because if it were not useful then corps and alliance wouldn't want alpha players.
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Vorgx
THE FINAL STAND Affirmative.
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Posted - 2016.12.15 20:30:42 -
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Miriam Beckstein wrote:Vorgx wrote: Not every game that have microtransaction have failed, i can name several that you can play, as for me i would say that alphas are not working for me atm, skills restrictions are awefull to enjoy the game atm,
What are you missing out on that means you can't enjoy the game? What are the omega-only skills that you feel are a requirement for enjoyment? Apart from a cloak, PI, and t2 or bigger ships, is there anything an alpha can't try out? Or is it just the case that you think it's awful to only have rank 3/4 of most of the skills, and all you want is extra free stuff to fly 95% power instead of 80% power?
be able to fly a cruiser not mimmatar mostly, and tbh i dont like frigates. thats it |
Miriam Beckstein
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.16 05:59:36 -
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If you want to fly a non-minmatar cruiser, why not simply reroll as a non-Minmatar alpha? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2016.12.16 06:53:28 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
There is a slight arguable flaw in that high SP characters on Alphas cannot train the skills (at Alpha rates) usually accessible to an Alpha, cos of the SP cap.
This isn't correct at all. High SP characters playing as Alphas have the exact same skill access as any other alpha. There is no actual cap on total SP. Alphs can use a certain set of skills to certain levels, which totals to about 5 million SP.
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Ogmento
Og Holdings
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Posted - 2016.12.18 10:35:40 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Yeah you and every other alpha obviously think you should get more for free :) if you want to fly mining barges then sub for pennies a month. There is no need for anything in between alpha and omega. Play the free trial as long as you like, if you wanna play full game pay sub and play.
Not more for free if you read again, you will see that 10$ a month is still a bit high for something that I will only spend a few hours a week on. My idea was just a way to bring the price point down but also still limit the features available at a lower price. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
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Posted - 2016.12.18 17:37:16 -
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Ogmento wrote:you will see that 10$ a month is still a bit high for something that I will only spend a few hours a week on.
Quote:you will see that 10$ a month is still a bit high
Seriously?
- a bottle of so-so wine or 6-pack of beer is about $10 and usually won't last 2 or 3 days (maybe not even a day if you're like me).
- a NICE meal at a restaurant is about $10 to $15 and won't last more than 30 minutes to an hour.
- a monthly gym membership is about $10 to $20 a month and, on average, people don't go to it more than 3 days a week for an hour or two at a time.
- a good night at the bar with friends will EASILY cost $50 (drinks, food, transport, etc) and MAYBE you remember about 3-4 hours of the experience, followed by hours of pain the morning after.
- a 12 pack of cigarettes is about 4 to 6 USD... assuming (conservatively) that you only smoke 3 cigarettes a day, that's 7.5 packs of cigarettes a month... which comes to about 30 to 45 USD a month.
- taking a shower in the morning costs you around 1 to 2 USD... if you take a shower every morning that adds up to about 30 to 60 USD a month (source:http://www.atsecosolutions.com/saveonshowering.html).
Also... let's be honest... you have probably spent MORE money on something WAY dumber in the past.
If $10 is a "high" amount for you, you have bigger problems than affording a game... which very clearly falls in the category of "luxury service" (yes, that is what all games are, a "luxury")
How did you Veterans start?
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Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.18 18:40:05 -
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Iria Ahrens wrote:Vorgx wrote:
when i started to play this game like 8 years ago there were like 60k players online, this days i only see 30 or 35k, so something is not working either in that business model
8 years ago it wasn't 60k players. It was 60k accounts. The great majority were alt accounts because the old meta basicaly required alt accounts. if we go back 8 years to Dec 21 2008 we get 43,697 as the record for players in game in 2008, makes me believe there were more than 60k accounts. Although back then I could plex an account for ~4mil/day, if I could plex for 4m/day I'd probably have a few extra alts going right now. Then again now I have characters with way more SP so I don't need as many alts either. Looking at other years it looks like 60k was pretty rare and only happened a handful of times.
Overall the alpha limitations seem pretty fair, I'd like to see a few tweaks but hey that's eve, stuff always needs tweaking
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.12.18 23:22:03 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Iria Ahrens wrote:Vorgx wrote:
when i started to play this game like 8 years ago there were like 60k players online, this days i only see 30 or 35k, so something is not working either in that business model
8 years ago it wasn't 60k players. It was 60k accounts. The great majority were alt accounts because the old meta basicaly required alt accounts. if we go back 8 years to Dec 21 2008 we get 43,697 as the record for players in game in 2008, makes me believe there were more than 60k accounts.
My point was that the active player metric didn't actually measure active PLAYERS. It was, and still is, logged in accounts. At the time most players were playing with 2 or more accounts active at a time, with many multiboxing 5 to 10 accounts. So the 40k active players was probably only reflecting about 20k or so active PEOPLE.
With the introduction of multi-account training and sp trading, the number of active accounts dropped dramatically, but CCP's income did not decrease significantly, so the active account decline of the last few years does not indicate a massive exodus of players.
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Joe Vjeverica
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.19 12:25:17 -
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hello guys. i played eve really hardcore from 2003 to 2010 then finally quit since i saw it chewing my life away. Now i saw the alpha stuffz and said why not, ill give it a go....
so far my alpha experience is that i only have motivation to log in on the 2 accounts i made to put skills into training...what im really wondering is... why would an alpha have a 2x slower training time? is seems like its bait ccp made ...if you sub you train up 2 times faster blabla so sub right now... because for me the plan is to get some skills first to actually start playing the game properly....so now i need what, 6 months to train up the full skills of alpha and then maybe think of a sub? why not speed up the tempo....i might resub 3 months earlier if i maxed out my alpha skills faster, plus i would explore the game again much faster too and keep interest in it more since im getting more toys faster....kinda feels like a 2x slower training for alphas backfires a bit here....and especially for returning players that have basically seen it all in eve already....
second, and i kinda support the op's idea....15Gé¼ per month is a bit steep for a noob account....i like the idea that you could pay like 3Gé¼ per month and get the lets say 7 mil sp package...5Gé¼ for 13mil sp etc etc....with 15Gé¼ being the full skillset of the game if you want it....at low skillspoints it feels like the game is just not worth the full subscription when your running around in your little destroyer for 4 months with your d!ck out playing with your colouring pens with the other kids in the kindergarten...
i always thought this game would go bananas in popularity, population and overall fun factor if the subscription was like 40-50% cheaper in general...and i know many others that would still play it if it was, if nothing else to skill up their chars...but that always means that they are sooner or later back in the game...this way alot of people just quit since its not worth it being a part time eve subscriber. |
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
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Posted - 2016.12.19 15:51:38 -
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Joe Vjeverica wrote:hello guys. i played eve really hardcore from 2003 to 2010 then finally quit since i saw it chewing my life away. Now i saw the alpha stuffz and said why not, ill give it a go....
so far my alpha experience is that i only have motivation to log in on the 2 accounts i made to put skills into training...what im really wondering is... why would an alpha have a 2x slower training time? is seems like its bait ccp made ...if you sub you train up 2 times faster blabla so sub right now... because for me the plan is to get some skills first to actually start playing the game properly....so now i need what, 6 months to train up the full skills of alpha and then maybe think of a sub? why not speed up the tempo....i might resub 3 months earlier if i maxed out my alpha skills faster, plus i would explore the game again much faster too and keep interest in it more since im getting more toys faster....kinda feels like a 2x slower training for alphas backfires a bit here....and especially for returning players that have basically seen it all in eve already....
second, and i kinda support the op's idea....15Gé¼ per month is a bit steep for a noob account....i like the idea that you could pay like 3Gé¼ per month and get the lets say 7 mil sp package...5Gé¼ for 13mil sp etc etc....with 15Gé¼ being the full skillset of the game if you want it....at low skillspoints it feels like the game is just not worth the full subscription when your running around in your little destroyer for 4 months with your d!ck out playing with your colouring pens with the other kids in the kindergarten...
i always thought this game would go bananas in popularity, population and overall fun factor if the subscription was like 40-50% cheaper in general...and i know many others that would still play it if it was, if nothing else to skill up their chars...but that always means that they are sooner or later back in the game...this way alot of people just quit since its not worth it being a part time eve subscriber.
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Uriel Wilde
Galactic Express
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Posted - 2016.12.19 15:51:55 -
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There is only one real thing I would like to see in between Alpha and Omega clones. And that is a price point that is less than omega but lets you access multiple empire types of ships.
Before you jump in with "wanting more for free" hear me out. I, like many others, returned because of the alpha update. I couldn't afford a monthly sub long enough to re-learn the entire damn game, but I have every intention of going omega once I do and once I'm able to supplement my sub spending with a PLEX every now and then. But here is my problem: I did not always learn to fly the same ships and use the same weapons as my empire. I have an account that is entirely cross-trained...and is now useless.
Also wouldn't it help to lure new players further into the game if you let them try out different ships and different weapon types? Sure you say "roll another empire", but no established player will and no new player wants to lose everything they worked for just so they can see what a caldari frig is like compared to amarr.
Some sort of mini-plex that only expanded the variety that new and returning players could experience, but did not unlock anything that an alpha could not get by re-rolling repeatedly.
I know I'd gladly throw a couple dollars at CCP to be able to have a bit more variety with no noticeable difference in what I can and can't do in the game. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.12.19 16:04:01 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Seriously?
- a bottle of so-so wine or 6-pack of beer is about $10 and usually won't last 2 or 3 days (maybe not even a day if you're like me).
- a NICE meal at a restaurant is about $10 to $15 and won't last more than 30 minutes to an hour.
- a monthly gym membership is about $10 to $20 a month and, on average, people don't go to it more than 3 days a week for an hour or two at a time.
- a good night at the bar with friends will EASILY cost $50 (drinks, food, transport, etc) and MAYBE you remember about 3-4 hours of the experience, followed by hours of pain the morning after.
- a 12 pack of cigarettes is about 4 to 6 USD... assuming (conservatively) that you only smoke 3 cigarettes a day, that's 7.5 packs of cigarettes a month... which comes to about 30 to 45 USD a month.
- taking a shower in the morning costs you around 1 to 2 USD... if you take a shower every morning that adds up to about 30 to 60 USD a month.
Also... let's be honest... you have probably spent MORE money on something WAY dumber in the past.
If $10 is a "high" amount for you, you have bigger problems than affording a game... which very clearly falls in the category of "luxury service" (yes, that is what all games are, a "luxury")
Exactly...I'll spend $60 to golf for 3 hours without thinking twice. $10/mo for something that gives me dozens of hours of entertainment is nothing.
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Joe Vjeverica
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2016.12.19 19:54:12 -
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why do you guys talk about 10$ while i see 15Gé¼/usd as a price tag |
Nat Silverguard
Aideron Robotics
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Posted - 2016.12.20 05:55:04 -
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Joe Vjeverica wrote:why do you guys talk about 10$ while i see 15Gé¼/usd as a price tag
doesn't matter, still cheap.
if $15 is expensive to you and can't afford it, then i am very sorry but i think and feel that there are matters in your life that needs to be prioritized more.
for your entertainment since we all need and deserve it, i am sure there are alot of good f2p games out there you can enjoy.
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Ogmento
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Posted - 2016.12.20 10:38:09 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:CCP may adjust these in any number of ways in future, but that time is not now.
There is a slight arguable flaw in that high SP characters on Alphas cannot train the skills (at Alpha rates) usually accessible to an Alpha, cos of the SP cap.
But this is because Alphas are primarily intended as a replacement for trials, for new players/accounts, not 60mil old toons.
I disagree. The amount of emails I kept getting for me to come back meant that CCP was hoping for at least some of us to come back. I think letting me re-assign skill points would have led me to find out the limits of Alpha sooner rather than later. As it is, I am not ready to sub because I haven't found any showstoppers from me having fun as an alpha. I think if I haven't drifted off by the time I reach the Alpha's upper limits. I might subscribe again.
For now, I have sold off most equipment and ships that I can no longer use. So far, I miss using my salvage drones the most. It is really an odd mix. I can still fly a Navy Comet, venture, and vexor but salvaging the ships is now a bit more of chore than it was before.
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Joe Vjeverica
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:14:55 -
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Nat Silverguard wrote:Joe Vjeverica wrote:why do you guys talk about 10$ while i see 15Gé¼/usd as a price tag doesn't matter, still cheap. if $15 is expensive to you and can't afford it, then i am very sorry but i think and feel that there are matters in your life that needs to be prioritized more. for your entertainment since we all need and deserve it, i am sure there are alot of good f2p games out there you can enjoy.
it aint about the 15$....its about the principle.....you could say hey, if you dont have 30$ to buy this box of matches then you have other things to worry abotu in life....thats not the point, point is value for your money....you aint gonna pay something 100 times more than its worth although you can technically afford it right? i feel eve sub of 15$ per month aint worth it until you get to the later game, and maybe even then its questionable if its too high for the general population of part time players. |
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