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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:04:00 -
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Im thinking. Every other race can change ammo almost instantly if they wish in a fight to suit the Pvp going on. But Gallente specced boats cant. They have to retrieve the drones first and coupled with the drone problems changing a drone from one type to another isn't really productive when its not working correctly.
Imagine if Caldari players went to load a different torp and the gun jammed or it didnt respond, there would be flame fest on the forums, so why do drone users have to put up with this problem?
Im thinking of a new drone. A universal drone that incorporates all the abilities of each races drones in its class. For example:
Heavy Universal drone : Caldari Amarr Minmatar Gallente
Medium drone : as above
light drone: as above.
So in mid fight we could change damage types. Now, changing from Gallente specced universal drones to Caldari specced ones WOULD give the universal drone the SAME characteristics of that race anyways. For example: Gallente Tech2 Orges would still be highest damage, but changing to Caldari would change the tracking and damage modifier and damage type specific to that race.
The bonus here is we don't have travel time to change to another drone and we don't have to carry other drone sets, only replacements.
The skill for the new universal drone could be exactly as it is now or skills added. The drone only unlocks the other specced races WHEN the required skill is mentioned as it is now. Tech 1 would incorperate all T1 and so Tech2 would incorporate all T2. Also the group of drones may be mixed for different damage types pending on skills of course.
bad idea ?
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William Hamilton
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:10:00 -
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Only Amarr Can switch ammo instantly, other races have a notably long reloading time.
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:23:00 -
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And only Minmatar can change damage types by changing ammo. Hybrid users can only change between different ranges of Kin/Therm ammo, and Amarr are stuck with EM/Therm.
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Tachuro Otapaku
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:26:00 -
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Does the Gallente drone get smaller drones to send out? :)
Also, Salvaging Drones. Please :)
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Alora Venoda
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:31:00 -
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Originally by: Tachuro Otapaku Also, Salvaging Drones. Please :)
QFT. agreed & signed. also: tractor drones please :)
Originally by: Arushia And only Minmatar can change damage types by changing ammo. Hybrid users can only change between different ranges of Kin/Therm ammo, and Amarr are stuck with EM/Therm.
Ummm did you forget about missiles?
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Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:55:00 -
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I want tech2 sentry drones.
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alora Venoda
Originally by: Tachuro Otapaku Also, Salvaging Drones. Please :)
QFT. agreed & signed. also: tractor drones please :)
Originally by: Arushia And only Minmatar can change damage types by changing ammo. Hybrid users can only change between different ranges of Kin/Therm ammo, and Amarr are stuck with EM/Therm.
Ummm did you forget about missiles?
Yes I did, it was quite easy to forget them since I never use the things.
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Marquis Dean
The Last Thing You'll Ever See
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:02:00 -
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My missiles and hybrid charges don't always load properly. My frequency crystals hardly ever load properly. I choose an ammo type, it flashes for 10 seconds and nothing is loaded.
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Stakhanov
Shih Yang Tong
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:23:00 -
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You got to be kidding... drones are the fastest to switch , at least close range. Of course if you sent your 5 ogres 50km away , you can't scoop them instantly ! There's nothing wrong with that. Gallente is supposed to be stronger at close range.
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Malcanis
Galactech Industries Ltd. Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 17:44:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel I want tech2 sentry drones.
And Tech2 Logistics & EW Drones!
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JourneymanDave
devastation mining inc
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston Im thinking. Every other race can change ammo almost instantly if they wish in a fight to suit the Pvp going on. But Gallente specced boats cant.
*snip*
So in mid fight we could change damage types. Now, changing from Gallente specced universal drones to Caldari specced ones WOULD give the universal drone the SAME characteristics of that race anyways. For example: Gallente Tech2 Orges would still be highest damage, but changing to Caldari would change the tracking and damage modifier and damage type specific to that race.
The bonus here is we don't have travel time to change to another drone and we don't have to carry other drone sets, only replacements.
bad idea ?
I'm not ready to say it's a bad idea, it's an interesting idea. However, for the sake of a full conversation, let me throw in a couple of curveballs.
As it is now, all drones have unlimited ammo and no reload times. You launch them, target, and they fire continually until somebody dies. Presumably, drones capable of switching ammo would have to incur a reload penalty, same as like-sized guns. I'm assuming for example, that Hobgoblin II's might use a gun the size of a 75mm rail or light blaster, which could be used as the baseline for reload time.
Also, the practial consideration of carrying 4 ammo types would be that it requires 4x as much internal ammo storage for the drone. Would you be willing to accept a reduction in drone agility (because of the 4x greater amount of ammo payload it has to carry), or maybe a maximum number of reloads in place of the unlimited ammo it currently benefits from? Related to this, should the drone have to be return to the ship to reload, similar to the way mining drones drop ore into the cargo hold when they're full. And for that matter, should the ship have to carry this ammo in its own cargo hold?
Lastly, I would point out that one of the major benefits of using drones is that they continue to deliver damage to the target even after your ship is target jammed. That is an advantage unique to drones that turret and missile weapon systems don't enjoy. That, to me, seems like it balances nicely with the current limitations on drone ammo type. Should this also be re-considered as part of granting drones multiple ammo types during combat?
Interesting line of thought though, I'll be curious to see how this is received.
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zmad2000
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:31:00 -
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I am gallente so i would definetly want new drones but what would it mean in terms of how many skills to i have to train to 5(currently use all T2 drones except mining).
For me T2 sentry drones would be cool
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Naran Darkmood
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.09 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: JourneymanDave
Lastly, I would point out that one of the major benefits of using drones is that they continue to deliver damage to the target even after your ship is target jammed. That is an advantage unique to drones that turret and missile weapon systems don't enjoy.
To through another curveball, you are forgetting about FoF Missles
IMO, dorens are balanced nicely, however, I miss the t2 Sentries and tractor/salvage drones!
Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I thought there would be american isk farmers over on eve china to be honest
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Cleric JohnPreston
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:04:00 -
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How are drone balanced ? Amarr ones which ive jsut completed T2, are crap lol. I think ogres and zerkers are really the only ones worrth training for ( then why am i training for T2 Wasps 0o )
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Alekseyev Karrde
The Royal Guard Forces of Freedom
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:20:00 -
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Salvaging drones and T2 Sentry.
But mainly the T2 Sentry. How come Heavy Drone users get all the love?! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes - Devil ([email protected]) |
Ezekiel Sulastin
Gallente Direct Intent
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Posted - 2007.04.09 20:35:00 -
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Quote: Does the Gallente drone get smaller drones to send out? :)
I want to see THAT drone appear :)
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Kiyano
Caldari Star Fraction Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kruel I want tech2 sentry drones.
YES, definitely!
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Ash Vincetti
Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:29:00 -
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I really would like my Amarr Crystals that can instantly change damage types, like, kinetic, or explosive... oh, wait... Amarr can't change damage types :-/ ----- /ash :: sig goes here :: |
Kruel
Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:35:00 -
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Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston How are drone balanced ? Amarr ones which ive jsut completed T2, are crap lol. I think ogres and zerkers are really the only ones worrth training for ( then why am i training for T2 Wasps 0o )
Actually Wasps have a nice scoop/redeploy advantage since they have the most shield hp. Damage is ok.
Amarr drones are utter crap.
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Kasak Black
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.04.09 21:43:00 -
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Hmmm Drones that responded to my commands would be a start.
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Emma Green
Caldari Enterprise Estonia Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:26:00 -
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Edited by: Emma Green on 10/04/2007 10:23:02 I also want T2 Sentris :) ---------------------------------------------- EVE-Files Don't run my drones will catch u anyway .. |
Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 10:44:00 -
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I still love my Ogre II's. I cant think of any instance when I wished I had other heavies onboard.
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Farlax
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:42:00 -
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Salvaging drones would be very nice :)
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mogwai
Gallente Gremlin Industries
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Tachuro Otapaku Salvaging Drones. Please :)
I like that idea plus some more new skills
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Ifni
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:29:00 -
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Originally by: William Hamilton Only Amarr Can switch ammo instantly, other races have a notably long reloading time.
In theory, in practice it's not quite true. Doubly so for T2 crystals. Most times when I switch ammo, I end up having to reload some of my guns..
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:43:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 10/04/2007 12:42:18 Bump drones
corpse collecting drones
smack drones
etc.. plzz *cute eyes*
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Monica Foulkes
Hooligans Of War Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:01:00 -
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Also add missile spamming sentry drones.
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chromer one
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.04.10 14:15:00 -
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salvaging or tractor drone are stupid ideas. Why wouldnt just give every ship ability to tracktor and salvage without modules at all -they would need skills to use Why not give the ability when you reach certain skillpoint level?
I think drones are now very versatile and also not finished. They cause lot of lag allready. Ofcource changes are nice but i think drones shouldnt be the issue, maybe fixing fleet fight should.
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