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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:20:53 -
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Hey folks,
Team Psycho Sisters here with some questions.
1.Do you use custom probe formations when scanning? 2.What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible 3.Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations? 4.Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both?
We are asking because we would like to deal with the current state the scanning system is in where we have 2 systems and 1 is kind of in beta but not really but both systems have pros and cons and we are seeing about 50% usage across both of them.
Going off the feedback thread created by the CSM and the above reasons we have started taking a look at what needs to be done to address the primary player concerns, but we are also coming across areas of the feature that we do not have data on player usage such as, custom formations.
Please try and keep this focused on custom formations. We have gathered the other feedback from forums and other sources, but there are some gray areas we would like some more information from you all on.
So just custom formations for now, as required we will make new threads for other specific areas.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Team Psycho Sisters.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 10:19:56 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:Yes, I was using custom formations for faster results while I was not max skilled for all kind of sigs. The formation contains 4 narrow probes and 4 wide probes, pinpoint like but in a plane, 4xformation centered, overlapping and 2 steps apart (e.g. 2AU+8AU, or 4AU+16AU). Today I'm just lazy and use pinpoint 95% of the time (except Thera).
BTW: I'm not using the beta because: lack of probe handling accuracy (speed of probing), performance. Both are showstoppers and not some inconvenience.
Interesting, will take a look.
So how do you change the size of the probes in this example?
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 10:24:07 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Disclaimer: I rarely probe. But I do have one custom formation I have used. A perfect cube - when I am really sure of something's approximate location, I cube it to get a really tight formation on the target. Again, I rarely probe, but I feel like this formation in certain instances gives me a better sensor strength on target than the normal "pinpoint" premade formation. Whether or not it actually makes a difference, *shrug*.
Edit: sorry forgot to answer the last question. That's mainly for combat scanning. The normal "pinpoint formation is perfectly adequate for scanning sigs in my experience. But I haven't tried the hard stuff out in nullsec and all that fun jazz.
Thanks for the reply, I will take a look.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 10:25:08 -
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Satchel Darkmatter wrote:not tested this will assume it does not work, but on earth we only need 2 GPS satalites to get a rough location based on their area of influence and its overlap, with 3 your getting an accurate reading within a few meters and with more you can get it down to inches.
I think the probes here should work the same way, to get max scan on a sig should only require 4 probes in a 3 sided pyramid shape, this would allow good players to actually scan down multiple signatures at the same time speeding things up, as it stands now there is almost zero need to use anything other than pinpoint and then use the shortcut to narrow the scan where needed.
We are not looking to change the fundamentals of scanning at this point in time. So the underlying system will not be changing.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 11:39:23 -
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light heaven wrote:1.Do you use custom probe formations when scanning? Pinpoint are used for most, but I do use a custom formations when It is hard to scan. 2.What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible See pic http://imgur.com/a/RblNF, just pull Spread formation closer, you will get it. 3.Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations? For referenc, my scan char has full scan skills, full mid-virtue set, AQ-710 and AR-810. Which means my combat probe's base sensor strength is about 100 point. It is enough to scan combat ships, but is still hard to scan the old off grid booster T3s. I usually set start to scan target by Pinpoint formation and scan range is 8 au or 16 au. Move probe near target and use smaller scan range. I always got 100% after 2 or 3 analyze. When scan range is 0.5 AU and results is larger than 90%, I will use custom formation to scan. It always result 100% to me. In my experience custom formation could always get better result than Pinpoint formation when target is at same horizon. 4.Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both? I only use custom formations for combat scanning. Cause my core probe's base sensor strength is about 200 point which is very easy to scan all cosmic signals.
Your picture does not appear to work :( but I get what you mean.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 11:45:55 -
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CCP Claymore wrote:light heaven wrote:1.Do you use custom probe formations when scanning? Pinpoint are used for most, but I do use a custom formations when It is hard to scan. 2.What formation do you use? Provide pictures if possible See pic http://imgur.com/a/RblNF, just pull Spread formation closer, you will get it. 3.Why do you use a custom formation over the default spread or pinpoint formations? For referenc, my scan char has full scan skills, full mid-virtue set, AQ-710 and AR-810. Which means my combat probe's base sensor strength is about 100 point. It is enough to scan combat ships, but is still hard to scan the old off grid booster T3s. I usually set start to scan target by Pinpoint formation and scan range is 8 au or 16 au. Move probe near target and use smaller scan range. I always got 100% after 2 or 3 analyze. When scan range is 0.5 AU and results is larger than 90%, I will use custom formation to scan. It always result 100% to me. In my experience custom formation could always get better result than Pinpoint formation when target is at same horizon. 4.Do you use custom formations for combat scanning, exploration or both? I only use custom formations for combat scanning. Cause my core probe's base sensor strength is about 200 point which is very easy to scan all cosmic signals. Your picture does not appear to work :( but I get what you mean.
Ah I see, there is a comma at the end of the link, I got it now.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2016.12.16 13:40:04 -
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Tipa Riot wrote:CCP Claymore wrote:Tipa Riot wrote:Yes, I was using custom formations for faster results while I was not max skilled for all kind of sigs. The formation contains 4 narrow probes and 4 wide probes, pinpoint like but in a plane, 4xformation centered, overlapping and 2 steps apart (e.g. 2AU+8AU, or 4AU+16AU). Today I'm just lazy and use pinpoint 95% of the time (except Thera).
BTW: I'm not using the beta because: lack of probe handling accuracy (speed of probing), performance. Both are showstoppers and not some inconvenience. Interesting, will take a look. So how do you change the size of the probes in this example? Resizing the whole formation like with the standard ones, So I start with the 4AU+16AU (the actual saved preset), then resize to 2+8, and so on down (or skip one step).
But when you are setting up initially, how would you do it? Through the probes in the scanner window, or in the system map?
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2017.01.02 10:45:22 -
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Hey folks,
Thanks for all the feedback so far, just catching up on it all now after some Christmas vacation.
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CCP Claymore
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Posted - 2017.01.06 11:32:55 -
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Hey folks,
Thanks for all the feedback.
Your replies have been great and really interesting to see how people use them. Going to close this thread now as I think we have enough information.
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