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Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 03:09:13 -
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Simon Hashur wrote:pre- update, a fully boosted orca (with the pilot having the mindlink implant) supporting a T2 yield fit hulk with the pilot having the MX-1005 implant, the hulks yield was:-
turret cycle time - 69.9s turret yield - 1924m3
1924 / 69.9 = 27.52m3/s 27.52 x 60 = 1651m3/min 1651 x 2 = 3303m3/min
post update, with the T2 range/cycle time command bursts, the hulks yield is now:-
turret cycle time - 61.5s turret yield - 1673ms
1673 / 61.5 = 27.20m3/s 27.20 x 60 = 1632mx 1632 x 2 = 3264m3/min
5xT2 mining drones in the orca pull in 900m3 per trip, m3/min depends on how far from the 'roid you are
Cool math!
And yeah, the fact that Orcas and Porpoises can provide a bit of mining bot action on grid as well as boosting the barges/exhumers = supposed to make up for the loss a bit, I guess. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
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Posted - 2016.12.21 04:07:30 -
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Sylvia Kildare wrote: Ding ding ding. They nerfed the mining foreman mindlink's effect. Which is weird, because they don't seem to have nerfed the skirmish/info/shield/armor mindlinks and the faction ones that combine the effects. But yeah.
Yes they did. In all cases the passive leadership bonuses have been removed from the skills. Seriously, learn to read patch notes and Dev blogs. |
Sarah Flynt
Federation Interstellar Resources Silent Infinity
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Posted - 2016.12.21 06:09:22 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Sylvia Kildare wrote: Ding ding ding. They nerfed the mining foreman mindlink's effect. Which is weird, because they don't seem to have nerfed the skirmish/info/shield/armor mindlinks and the faction ones that combine the effects. But yeah.
Yes they did. In all cases the passive leadership bonuses have been removed from the skills. Seriously, learn to read patch notes and Dev blogs. The passive leadership bonuses have been moved from the skills to the ganglink charges - except for the mining yield bonus. That one has been entirely removed.
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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:43:52 -
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Disclaimer: this is something I have read, I don't do enough mining to have tested it.
From comments in the science and industry page, there is a problem with the boosting burst and the mining lasers on the barges. The duration isn't the same and the boost isn't a constant effect anymore. So, sometime and depending on your skills, you can be mid cycle and loose the boost. From what the posters were saying that will cause you to lose the effect for the whole cycle. If it is true that can cause some additional loss of mining yeld.
In theory you shouldn't lose anything as the new boosts affect only the mining lasers duration, and that is set at the start of the cycle. There can be the occasional situation where you lose the boost and your cycle resume before the benefit from the new burst are re applied, but that should happen very rarely.
The only way to really test that is to have checked your yeld for hour with the old system and do the same with the new system, with characters with the same skills and implants. And even in that test, the size of the target roids can make a difference as switching roid take some time.
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ZentorUk
Totally Justified Total Justification
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Posted - 2016.12.21 08:34:26 -
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Bumblefck wrote:ZentorUk wrote:
Please check char age....
I'm not sure if that's a rather lame chest-beating attempt, but in any event you're surely old enough to know better than to mine.
Well its was more like... am I using T2 crystals... PMSL
I think for me the game work in circles ... do one thing for a bit.. get sick of it and do something else...
At the mo its just chilling with lazzzors!
I can more isk doing SOE level 4 with one char instead of two.
Zen |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1789
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Posted - 2016.12.21 08:44:23 -
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ZentorUk wrote:Bumblefck wrote:ZentorUk wrote:
Please check char age....
I'm not sure if that's a rather lame chest-beating attempt, but in any event you're surely old enough to know better than to mine. Well its was more like... am I using T2 crystals... PMSL I think for me the game work in circles ... do one thing for a bit.. get sick of it and do something else... At the mo its just chilling with lazzzors! I can more isk doing SOE level 4 with one char instead of two. Zen
That's the way the game is designed. Do one thing, do it long enough, get sick of it, do something else for a change of scenery.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2016.12.21 11:05:46 -
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You need to urgently get in contact with CODE., they know all about mining affairs. |
Issler Dainze
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
2575
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Posted - 2016.12.21 19:13:31 -
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Yes, clearly there is no point in mining any more! You need to stop immediately and change your focus on PVT.. Player vs. Themselves!! It a new thing I just invented for you! This style of play can be enjoyed by buying high and selling low! Or finding what looks like a gate camp and self destructing before you find out! Once you get the basics you can advance to flying around in untanked industrIial ships full of high end BPOs or plexs! Level 4 missions in noob ships are just one of the many things you can try to embrace the PVT focus! |
Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
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Posted - 2016.12.21 20:11:29 -
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Can you provide us with the location of your Hulk? We will send a mining support team free of charge to inspect your fit and give you some general advice about how to improve your mining efficiency.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Doddy
Excidium.
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Posted - 2016.12.21 22:56:50 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:ZentorUk wrote:Well then if the cycle time is now less.
I should be getting more? Yes. The amount of ore yield you are getting per cycle remains constant assuming same skill and same modules. A reduction of cycle time means you spend less time getting the same amount of yield, therefore more yield/minute. If you are getting less yield per cycle, then something really wrong has happened. For example, you might have used the wrong mining crystal, you didn't use the clone with the right mining implant. That or you haven't been checking to see if the change in ship traits. If the problem isn't the yield but you are still making less isk, then it simply means that the demand for the ore you are mining has gone down in relation to the amount of supply is available on the market.
There is no longer a boost from mining foreman skill since the skills were all reworked. So overall mining amount per cycle was reduced by that 10%. Not sure if other changes to cycle time made up for it, since i literally don't care, but for certain the mining amount boost which fleet used to give to mining is no longer there, despite everyone jumping on the op. |
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elitatwo
Eve Minions O.U.Z.O. Alliance
1531
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Posted - 2016.12.21 23:04:13 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:Can you provide us with the location of your Hulk? We will send a mining support team free of charge to inspect your fit and give you some general advice about how to improve your mining efficiency.
you..
Eve Minions is recruiting.
This is the law of ship progression!
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Balabhadra Das
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.22 01:10:28 -
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Oh, they will help you with fits... they will also blow you up. :P
(Not a miner but got mining fitting advice from Sir Demoniac in case I decided to mine, very helpful. Decided not to mine. Poor ISK PH and almost equal risk as WH exploration or Gas Huffing considering CODE exist.) |
Morgan Agrivar
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
718
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Posted - 2016.12.22 02:04:07 -
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Mining sucks.
That should be the title of this thread. |
Antheria
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.22 02:15:31 -
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At the end of the day does this really matter.
If it's the same for everyone then we have a level playing field, so that no-one is advantaged or disadvantaged.
Really, some people need to get a life! |
Cat Steele
Delphia Trust
10
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Posted - 2016.12.23 02:45:30 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:"Ore per cycle" is a pretty useless value. Try a fixed frame of reference, such as m3 per hour.
Well, what makes up m3 / hour? If one strip miner pulls 18k each cycle and I do that for an hour straight, never having an incomplete cycle, multiply it times 2 strip miners, that equals m3 / hour.
Or, I could just take the fact that I was getting around 18k each cycle and now I am getting 16k per cycle of veldspar, per strip miner.
Either way, it still shows the exact same thing.
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Cat Steele
Delphia Trust
10
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Posted - 2016.12.23 02:46:21 -
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Morgan Agrivar wrote:Mining sucks.
That should be the title of this thread.
Rofl, I like it!
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Sylvia Kildare
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 18:26:40 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:Sylvia Kildare wrote: Ding ding ding. They nerfed the mining foreman mindlink's effect. Which is weird, because they don't seem to have nerfed the skirmish/info/shield/armor mindlinks and the faction ones that combine the effects. But yeah.
Yes they did. In all cases the passive leadership bonuses have been removed from the skills. Seriously, learn to read patch notes and Dev blogs.
Um, as the owner of an incursion boosting alt, I've been carefully reading the boost change dev blogs for months, man. And the patch notes, ofc. Was very disappointed we didn't get the promised devblog about command ships themselves before EVE Ascension... I think the ships need some changes/buffs mostly... but I guess we should all just be glad they weren't nerfed along with the boost % nerfs on EVE Ascension day.
And I wasn't referring to the passive bonuses. Those were from having a squad commander with sufficient leadership skill level for squad size, a wing commander with sufficient wing command skill level, a fleet commander with sufficient fleet command skill level... and also the support skills for the specific flavors of boosting. All of which is now null and void with the new on-grid system and no more needing to "pass down boosts" (whether active warfare link-run ones or passive skill-based ones)... so that now leadership/WC/FC only affect active burst range. But in any event, yes, the combat mindlinks now add to "effect strength and range" but the mining mindlink does not add to mining yield any longer. In addition, the effect of the combat boosting mindlinks does NOT make up for the overall reduction in boost efficency on the new command burst modules (versus the old warfare link modules)... shield logi RR cycles specifically are up from 5.9 seconds in early November to 6.2-6.3 seconds post-EVE Ascension as an example. Shield or armor resist %s are also down across the board because of how they made these changes, web range boost from the skirmish link that boosts web range... also down (less than 1km for faction webs, but... still down).
How on earth you changed the topic to passive boosts from skills when I was talking about the slot #10 hardwiring mindlink implants and the difference between how mining mindlink vs. combat mindlinks were handled... I do not claim to understand. |
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