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Sarthero Turinn
Operation WormBear Absence of Light
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Posted - 2016.12.21 06:29:04 -
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As the title states..... What is the best isk making activity involving combat?
Amount of SP required isn't considered
Blitzing L4's? Incursions? Capital Escalations?
Looking for some advice from people actually doing these things that can consider ALL the time involved. Taking into consideration all of the additional time requirements that don't produce the isk (like scanning and set up time for cap escalations... sure you can make like 500 mil an hour on the site... but that doesn't include the a lot of prep time that may actually bring your isk/hour down to like 100-200 mil) |
Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:19:58 -
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Incursions give you the best bang for your buck |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:32:24 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Incursions give you the best bang for your buck
All you need are battlecruisers/battleships, friends in battlecruisers/battleships, and friends in logi.
If one is a friendless sort, there are level 4 missions.
If one's thirst for blood can't be sated by the destruction of mindless warship-drones, there's faction warfare.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:55:26 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Incursions give you the best bang for your buck All you need are battlecruisers/battleships, friends in battlecruisers/battleships, and friends in logi. If one is a friendless sort, there are level 4 missions. If one's thirst for blood can't be sated by the destruction of mindless warship-drones, there's faction warfare.
This. The best isk you can make on your own are highsec Level 4s, averaging 30 to 40 million isk/hour with all time being accounted. If you can find nullsec friends, you can do capital ratting in blue space and that may give you some 80 million isk/hour on average. If you find the right friends, you may do Incursions which are the best paying thing and they peak at some 100 million sik/hour when all time is accounted for.
(Now there will come people spewing bullshit about making ginormous amounts of ISK in a single hour, once in a blue moon, because they're so pro... but reality is what it is. Incursions require shuffling ships up and down and that's time you're not earning anything, nullsec ratting is subject to outside interference, and Level 4s have quite different payouts so sometimes you'll be earning peanuts) |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
22765
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Posted - 2016.12.21 07:57:41 -
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Ganking freighters?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Zapp McDouche
Its a good day to die
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Posted - 2016.12.21 08:23:02 -
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You should do wormhole exploration in c3-c4 space is where the challenge to isk ratio is the best imo. Get your cov op frig or astero or heron and scan around 10 systems and see what you can find. You can get some ok isk for your time or get a warm welcome from other players showing the ways of Bob always scout before getting your sacrifical boat to bob / pve boat out |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
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Posted - 2016.12.21 09:19:24 -
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Zapp McDouche wrote:You should do wormhole exploration in c3-c4 space is where the challenge to isk ratio is the best imo. Get your cov op frig or astero or heron and scan around 10 systems and see what you can find. You can get some ok isk for your time or get a warm welcome from other players showing the ways of Bob always scout before getting your sacrifical boat to bob / pve boat out
I read that so often now that I begin to think the best profession ist to tell people to explore in WHS and then sit in a WH with a good highsec connection. Despawn most sig but a relic one, bubble that relic and harvest the explorers. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
4665
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Posted - 2016.12.21 09:24:26 -
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Repeatedly curb-stomping your credit card.
Sugar Von MurdererTits : Jake Warbird gets my vote for most intriguing and attractive male character in Eve.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
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Posted - 2016.12.21 09:49:36 -
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Gregorius Goldstein wrote:Zapp McDouche wrote:You should do wormhole exploration in c3-c4 space is where the challenge to isk ratio is the best imo. Get your cov op frig or astero or heron and scan around 10 systems and see what you can find. You can get some ok isk for your time or get a warm welcome from other players showing the ways of Bob always scout before getting your sacrifical boat to bob / pve boat out I read that so often now that I begin to think the best profession ist to tell people to explore in WHS and then sit in a WH with a good highsec connection. Despawn most sig but a relic one, bubble that relic and harvest the explorers. Well... it looks like a plan!
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Captain Grantkarppe
Delta vane Corp. Mordus Angels
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Posted - 2016.12.21 10:05:05 -
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Nullsec level 4 and 5 missions.
Carrier sanctum/haven ratting.
C5 wormhole with dedicated group/alts. |
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Charley Varrick
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.21 13:16:54 -
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One thing worth mentioning about lev4 missions- Sure you can make 40-50 mill an hour....on the good missions with lots of bounties/loot/salvage. Sometimes you will go through 5 or 6 crappy missions that don't pay jack. So if you figure the bad missions into the equation that 40-50 mill comes down drastically. |
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 13:37:28 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:One thing worth mentioning about lev4 missions- Sure you can make 40-50 mill an hour....on the good missions with lots of bounties/loot/salvage. Sometimes you will go through 5 or 6 crappy missions that don't pay jack. So if you figure the bad missions into the equation that 40-50 mill comes down drastically.
I've never done the math... but it feels like the good missions (when you include LP's in the earnings) do better than 40-50 an hour. You are right that you get stretches of crappy missions... but having an average around 40 an hour (including LP income) feels about right.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2016.12.21 13:40:32 -
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Par for the course that when you ask here you get a lot of the wrong answers. The right place to ask in in the Missions and Complexes forum
The real answer is Burner Missions. Since the relative nerfing of FW missions, there are exactly zero solo, sub capital combat PVE activities that can match what you can earn once you get established as a pro burner missions runner. I'm not kidding either, This guide is still pretty up to date.
From the guide: Quote: With the introduction of Burner missions to Lv4 mission agents it has become somewhat trivial to consistently make well in excess of 200million isk per hour with just a little bit of training and preparation. This can be done on a single, well trained character in the relative safety of Hi-Sec, indefinitely.
The 2nd and easier (but not quite as lucrative) answer for a person with a single account who flys sub capitals is High Sec Incursions. And no, you don't need to make any friends, you need to be able to open an in game chat channel (The Valhalla Project and Warp to Me are the most popular, but there are others) and follow directions. You don't need to kow a single person in fact, the established communities take care of that for you. The barrier to entry is WAY lower (Tech1 battleship with named guns as a starting point).
Tied for 3rd is lvl 3 mission blitzing in high sec and null sec sub cap farming of anomalies. This still works to make 75-80 mil per hour in the safety of high sec (running for the right corps,Mainly Sisters or Thukker) with the same Machariel fit, and in Null if you are willing to risk a ship like a Rattlesnake (works in any space), you can pull in 90 to 100 mil per hour.
Now, if you have or are willing to use Capital ships, all of the above is compeletely invalid. Blitzing lvl 5 missions with Carriers is now more lucrative and safe than ever, Carrier Ratting in null sec is more lucrative than ever, and with a group, wormhole Capital escalations are the WTFOMG highest level of combat PVE isk making there is.
TL;DR Burner missions if sub cap and solo, Wormhole Cap escalations if in a capital ship and in a group.
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kardjaval
Curtana Joyeuse and Durendal Security
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Posted - 2016.12.21 14:25:12 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Incursions give you the best bang for your buck All you need are battlecruisers/battleships, friends in battlecruisers/battleships, and friends in logi. If one is a friendless sort, there are level 4 missions. If one's thirst for blood can't be sated by the destruction of mindless warship-drones, there's faction warfare.
exploration is also a option, hop in a gnosis (for teh scan str bonus) fit for t2, and hunt down unrate and 4/10 sites, the faction loot from those (=all available in highsec too) can easily bring in hundreds of millions for 5-15 minutes of work |
Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.21 14:40:01 -
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Charley Varrick wrote:One thing worth mentioning about lev4 missions- Sure you can make 40-50 mill an hour....on the good missions with lots of bounties/loot/salvage. Sometimes you will go through 5 or 6 crappy missions that don't pay jack. So if you figure the bad missions into the equation that 40-50 mill comes down drastically.
Remember there are the Burner Missions as well. If you have the skills and the right ship, you can easily beat most on a very short time with good payouts. The drawback is that skills required differ from standard level 4 missions. If you train rapidly for a battleship, you may not have all the skills needed or at decent levels to fly a daredevil or hawk. |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15010
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Posted - 2016.12.21 14:53:02 -
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Just use a citadel! Can't beat 8 bil per hour lol.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Xp1rSd1Rw
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Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.22 01:00:36 -
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Definitely exploration and incursions
Though exploration only sometimes involved fighting - those faction items are worth a fortune. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.22 02:31:15 -
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If that depends on loot drops, it won't be 8B/hour for very long.
A signature :o
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Cade Windstalker
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Posted - 2016.12.22 03:41:29 -
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For ease of entry Incursions.
For raw ISK potential Carrier or Super ratting in a fully upgraded Null system, but that's a metric ----- ton of SP more than it takes to run Incursions. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 12:53:07 -
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Cade Windstalker wrote:For ease of entry Incursions.
For raw ISK potential Carrier or Super ratting in a fully upgraded Null system, but that's a metric ----- ton of SP more than it takes to run Incursions.
This does require that you actually know some game mechanics. "FC I WARPED TO A RANDOM ACCELERATION GATE AND TOOK IT NOW I'M IN A CAPSULE. " "FC HOW DO I TARGET AN NPC AND FOLLOW TAGS?" some of these things you can help by doing the tutorials, other things by listening to what the FC says in the newbro speech, and the rest get solved by darwinistic wallet tanking.
Isk making opportunities: Highsec exploration (Ded 1-4/10; anomalies escalation/faction spawn -> Ded 1-5/10): Based highly around luck sometimes 200m/h sometimes 10m/h; highly competitive in some parts. Highsec level 4s: Steady but low LP/h compared to lowsec level 5s and nullsec level 4s. (think nullsec burners) Highsec incursions: 100-180m/h long term average depending on which sites, whom you run with, etc. (relatively stable income with chances for contests where it's all or nothing.) Lowsec level 5s: Lots of LP/h of a not very valuable LP and a moderate amount of isk; usually some done in carrier and the rest ignored. (similar to level 4s trying to farm burners.) Nullsec level 4s; 3 routes Burner farming; normal level 4s (trying to blitz for LP) or a combination if you feel confident in both. Carrier/supercarrier ratting: depending on faction spawns/capital spawns can be 120m/h all the way up to 300m/h. (just carrier ratting and actively ratting this way with 1 character is around 150-180m/h with no taxes also depends on the NPC you face.) Wormhole stuff: Others can explain this one better :P Highest end mining: (Investment of 10b but still Player Vs NPC gotta pop those roids, yo!) Rorqual Ore mining: 200m/h sitting on top of an asteroid. Rorqual Ice mining: theoretical maximum of 1200 ice blocks / hour; realistic number of blocks taking into account moving probably closer to 400. (still 100-300m/h) |
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