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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 16:54:05 -
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I can now make a bit of ISK from mining using a venture and two tech 2 mining lasers but I am limited with regard to the cargo space available. I would like to get a ship with a lot more cargo space (ore hold not normal cargo). Any ideas? |
Francis Raven
ExDominion Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.12.21 17:36:17 -
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If you are an Omega-grade clone, you can upgrade from a Venture to a Procurer, which will have 12,000m^3 ore hold capacity. Alternatively, the Retriever has a 22,000m^3 ore hold capacity.
If you are an Alpha clone, the Venture is the best mining ship you can get.
Important to note, Cargohold Extenders (low slot module) do not increase the ore hold capacity. They only increase cargohold capacity.
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
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Posted - 2016.12.21 17:36:49 -
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In game click on the 'Skill Tree' icon and select ORE ships.
Browse the Exhumers and decide which you like best and start training for it. In general, you get good tank and smaller hold or less tank and larger hold. It's up to you to decide your level of risk vs reward.
The other option is to train an Orca pilot and have him sit in the belt for you to offload ore in to. That's a bit of a long train, though.
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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 17:53:19 -
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Thanks for the answers so far. I am an Alpha so I cannot get better than a Venture as I understand things. So I must either upgrade or stick with 5000m3 ore hold. Bummer! |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
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Posted - 2016.12.21 17:57:43 -
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Find friends who run mining fleets. You can improve your efficiency by sharing haulers, and ig you find fleets with boosters you will improve your efficiency further.
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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.21 18:11:37 -
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Sorry if I am being thick but could you please explain that last reply in more detail as I am not sure I understand it. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.12.21 18:28:08 -
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If you join a mining fleet you will receive a boost that increases the amount of ore you harvest per unit of time. The exact amount will vary depending on the boosting ship and the skill of the pilot but, in highsec with an Orca expect around 25% improvement.
When you mine, simply jetcan your ore when your hold gets full (throw it overboard!) and name the can. The Orca pilot will use a tractor beam to recover your ore and, depending on the size of the operation,they may have a freighter that hauls it away.
Generally you will be paid for your ore on the spot - buy order pricing from the nearest major trade hub is common.
There are corporations that run mining fleets for their members and I believe there are public fleets anyone can join but I haven't checked recently. |
Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 15:26:44 -
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Can you please give me more info on jet canning? For example can I jet can my venture's ore until I reach 46K of ore and then come and collect it with my Miasmos? Will my Miasmos be able to collect the jet can? |
Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:16:45 -
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Sidenote: Keep in mind that ore hold and cargohold are different. Cargohold can be increased with things such as rigs and cargo expanders - but ore hold cannot be increased.
Op, you can jetcan mine, sure, but remember that other players can steal the cans if they are willing to have a temporary suspect status.
Also jettisoned cans will last for 2 hours. Naming them as the time they expire can be useful.
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Orakkus
m3 Corp Evictus.
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:22:54 -
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Black-Hawk Ellecon wrote:Can you please give me more info on jet canning? For example can I jet can my venture's ore until I reach 46K of ore and then come and collect it with my Miasmos? Will my Miasmos be able to collect the jet can?
Jet can mining is a way to circumvent the ore hold limitations, but it come with some drawbacks.
To jet can mine, simply eject your ore into space. A container will show up right next to your ship. You will need to rename it or else it can go "poof". A jet can will hold 26,000m3 of whatever, so you can fill your ore hold, transfer to the jet can, fill your ore hold, etc. Once it is filled up, you can either go back to station, switch into an industrial ship and pick up the ore, or you can have a friend do it.
The downside is that ANYONE can loot the can, and many PVP'ers will do that just so that you try to start a fight with them. Whereupon they smash you into bits.
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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:35:04 -
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So can my Miasmos pick up the 26000 m3 of ore in the jet can if I risk the jetcan in space (I only mine 1.0sec)? Also should I create another character or account to fly the Miasmos? How will this help? |
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:40:48 -
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Black-Hawk Ellecon wrote:Thanks for the answers so far. I am an Alpha so I cannot get better than a Venture as I understand things. So I must either upgrade or stick with 5000m3 ore hold. Bummer!
LOL, Not so long ago we hadn't a ore hold and the best mining frigates had a few hundred cubic meters of hold. You can do what we did: jetcan. Drop a can in space and name it, it will last 2 hours and hold 25K m3. The only problem is that people can warp to it and steal its contents, it is open for everyone. They would get an aggression timer but generally firing on them will allow their friend to fire back and kill you.
Apparently a alpha can use a mobile tractor unit. So you have a sligthly better option: you can buy one, drop it near you and jetcan when your hold is full. The unit will tractor the can in its hold and store it semi-securely. other people can't open the tractor unit hold but it can be attacked without CONCORD intervention. You will be free to attack the guy, but probably that is his goal. A ganker against a miners rarely end well for the miner.
When the jetcan/MTU is full you warp to a station, enter a industrial and warp to it, emptying it.
If you are in a system with little traffic or a lot of friends it could work. Or you can mine some combat missions, several of them have some large asteroid.
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Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:44:35 -
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Black-Hawk Ellecon wrote:So can my Miasmos pick up the 26000 m3 of ore in the jet can if I risk the jetcan in space (I only mine 1.0sec)? Also should I create another character or account to fly the Miasmos? How will this help?
You can't run 2 alpha account at the same time. Jetcanning help as it reduce travel time and the boredom of warping to station every few minutes, but it isn't much better.
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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 16:45:57 -
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But can I run two or more characters with an Alpha account? |
Elena Thiesant
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.22 18:05:51 -
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You cannot log in two characters on the same account at the same time. (doesn't matter if the account is Alpha or Omega, same restriction applies) You cannot log in two Alpha accounts at the same time.
Just mine and take it to a station. The warp time on a venture is going to be low, they're nimble little ships. Create a bookmark of where you were in the belt to warp back to and you have a very short interruption in mining.
The sec status you mine in has nothing at all to do with whether a player can steal from you. They can (and since you've advertised you intend to jet-can mine, expect some visitors). If they steal from you, they go suspect and you can shoot them. If you do, they can (and probably will) shoot back, the security status of the system doesn't matter. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2016.12.22 20:25:42 -
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good old jet can mining.
But really- here is where making friends pays off. You can mine in a group, and there are whole detailed spreadsheets people use to calculate payouts. All you do is mine the rocks and dump ore into a collection. Someone that can haul it will do so, refine it perfectly, sell it with max skills and min taxes, then pay you for your contribution.
Early on this is so much more efficient for you, removing steps that require SP investment to make the most out them. If mining really is going to be your thing in Eve (to each his own) then concentrate on doing that as well as you can. Let someone that has invested in hauling, or refining, or building, or selling do that part. Eventually you can take on those roles as well, but it would probably be in your best interest to upgrade to Omega at that point.
Having friends means you can be more of a specialist, and quicker. Rather than do five things poorly, try to do one or two things really well and make friends with people that do the other three.
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Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
645
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Posted - 2016.12.22 21:23:53 -
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If you had 2 characters, you would be much better off flying 2 Ventures rather than a Venture and a Miasmos. As mentioned, the Venture is fast - you probably aren't losing more than 1 cycle, maybe 2 when you dock to unload.
Jetcanning works for fleet mining because there will be someone tasked with picking up the cans - you just focus on mining. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
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Posted - 2016.12.24 03:18:37 -
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A hauler only really helps when you are a n a fleet where the hauling character is kept busy warping back and forth with more ore than one of the mining ships can hold.
So when you are solo, you either jet can (but do not do that) or fill your ore hold and warp to the nearest station to drop it off.
When you are in a small fleet GÇö say, 2GÇô6 miners GÇö you are better off all flying mining ships unless one can fly an orca. If you have a "perfect" orca pilot you get more yield per pilot once you have one orca and two mining ships. Another advantage of the orca is as a buffer between mining and hauling. You can have one miner switch ships with the Miasmos in the Ship Maintenance Bay, haul the ore from the Orca to the station, then resume mining. The Orca + Miasmos is better than hauling with the Orca or your mining ships because the Orca or mining ship is slow and cumbersome while the Miasmos can be fit for agility and warp speed.
As you get into bigger fleets you will quickly approach the point where either you mine more ore than one Miasmos can haul, or you vacuum up the entire belt into the ore holds of the mining ships, at which point using the Orca or a freighter to haul starts making more sense.
All of this hauling by pilots who are not mining increases everyone's efficiency because warping takes time, and the specialist hauling ships will transport more cubic metres of ore to station per minute than the mining ships can.
So using a booster means you mine more ore per minute, using a hauler means you waste fewer minutes hauling ore to station, and both strategies lead to more efficient mining fleets, both in terms of ore extracted and ISK value produced per hour per capsuleer.
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Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2016.12.24 23:13:19 -
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OK.
First off, look at your Alpha account as a trial account and not something you are going to want to stay with forever. Certainly not if you want to make a career out of mining.
For right now:
1) You can just mine and return with the Venture. It's simple, straight forward and not that bad a turn around. As mentioned - Save Location on the rocks you are mining and you can warp right back to them. Also - you can continue to use these saved locations the next time you mine. Make sure you fit an ore scanner so you know how much ore is in the rocks.
2) Jet can mining works well if you run a combat or training mission that has some asteroids in it. Don't turn the mission in until you are done mining. Save the location of the rocks, then mine into a jet can. Note the time on the can. When you are getting close to 2 hours - either come empty the can with a hauler - or - jet can a NEW can - and move your ore into it. If you do this in a quiet system you will probably not be bothered by other players. Learn to use your scanner and note if someone is using scanning probes to look for ships. If you see that - leave the mining site and come back with your hauler. They can scan for your ship much more easily than they can for those jet cans. Another tip is to not put the real time on the jet can but something off set - that way you know when it's going to pop but others won't. If someone wants to steal your ore they would rather do it from a full can than an new one. Alternately, by creating new ones every so often - and transferring your ore to them - you can keep that time from being a good reference on how full the jet can is. Of course - none of that helps with most of the people out to jack your can - as they don't want your ore. They'll drop it in a can of their own right in front of you and dare you to take it - which gives THEM the right to shoot you even in high sec. Thus - mining missions in quiet systems. |
Sara Starbuck
Adamantine Creations
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Posted - 2016.12.25 18:07:51 -
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I'll just echo what others have said, just mine until you are full, then go empty your orehold and come back, Venture is very fast compared to hauler so you would just waste time swapping ships.
And about mining in 1.0, i would go to the lower sec systems, stay in hisec but ore is better in 0.7-0.5, you get new types of ore and currently some are better than veldspar/scordite (this varies check markets or http://ore.cerlestes.de/#site:ore) also at lower systems you get richer and bigger asteroids, every ore has +5% and +10% variants and with venture you can easily cherrypick on these richer but usually smaller rocks.
Only little problem are the rats, but you should be able to fight those couple frigs/destroyers with your drones pretty early on. |
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Plague Dren
Graspers
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Posted - 2016.12.28 16:19:05 -
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Hey mate,
sorry if i missed it in one of the last replies, i haven-¦t read all of them.
Jetmining is dangerous, because other players can steal your ore... but you can buy giant secure containers! Please check if you can anchor those with an Alpha Clone, because i cannot look it up right now. But you only need Anchoring I to do so.
It holds 3900m-¦ of ore, if i remember correctly and can be secured with a password!
Take 5 of them and place them in belt... fill them... come with a hauler and collect them. When the Belt respawns its ore, your containers are still there and you can fill them again.
Just to mention.
And you cannot go online with another Alpha at the same time on one machine. If you have a Laptop beside you, you could. But just do it with your main. Search for a System nobody cares about, but not to far from any Tradehub and then just setup your containers, fill them, get a hauler, clear the containers, store ore in station and get your venture - rinse and repeat. |
Sonya Corvinus
Grant Village
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Posted - 2016.12.28 16:41:41 -
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Also consider gas harvesting, which is the most valuable mining in the game and can be done very effectively in a venture. Granted it's also fairly dangerous, but no risk, no reward. Gas clouds don't exist in highsec, but if you set up a base in a backwater system in lowsec, you can scan down gas clouds there as well as scan down wormholes with gas in them and mine that. There's more time scanning and looking for the clouds, but when you find one it can be very valuable, and it's a lot more exciting as well.
You'll definitely die more often, but you would learn how the "end game" so to speak works a lot quicker. |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2016.12.29 20:09:42 -
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A few more general mining tips:
1) If you are mining into GSC's you want to buy TWO sets. Go to get them in the hauler you will be emptying them with. Buy and assemble them one at a time until you fill up the hauler. Then repackage them and buy another set. You deploy one set but keep the other in you hauler and empty the deployed set into it. Since GSC's magically hold more volume than they take up - these are also good things to have in your hauler hold simply to give it more capacity. Additionally, people scanning your ship may not be able to see what is inside the GSC's ... but I've forgotten the details on that. You can only anchor GSC's in a certain system security level or lower. I think it's 7 - but check. Make sure you anchor them or someone will come along and suck them up. One more thing is that once you graduate to mining barges, GSC's don't hold enough to be useful, compared to a jet can.
The downside to using GSC's to increase your cargo capacity is that if you are hauling for a mining op and repeatedly going back and forth from the station - having to empty all those GSC's - adds significantly to your turn around time.
2) In case I didn't mention it before - I wouldn't jet can in the belts alone - but it works well in Mission space. One problem is that when you come to pick up the jet cans with your hauler - haulers are dead slow. So - if the jet can's are spread out it may be faster to book mark each one and (after you have turned the mission in) warp to them individually then back to the station. Fitting a Tractor Beam to your hauler can help pull them in.
One thing you can do with jet can's in the belt is team mine. Here - you have some people in mining ships and others in haulers. You put a bookmark or something else worthless into the jet can to keep it open. The miner then moves his ore into the jet can and the hauler moves it right out. You don't leave the ore in the jet can longer than it takes the hauler to take it out. Whether it is worth having people haulers as opposed to miners - depends on how much they can mine. Usually these are non-miner characters who couldn't make much of a contribution anyway - though you can put a miner and a tractor beam on their hauler. The fact that mining ships now have ore holds that can hold a lot more ore than they used to is a factor in this.
If you see someone come into your belt - do a look on them and watch where they are heading. If they are heading for your jet can, pull the bookmark you are keeping it open with and the jet can - which should always be empty - pops. They will see you are alert and go bother someone else. If they don't - you can wait them out or YOU can go somewhere else.
3) Another thing that can be useful in Mission Space, Jet Can Mining - is your Salvager Destroyer. This is a destroyer fitted with some mix of tractor beams and salvagers. You run your missions in your combat ship, book mark the mission space, then come back with your salvager destroyer and jet around tractoring your wrecks, salvaging them as you go. This ship can also be used to go around a mission area, pulling jet cans together in one spot to make them easier to empty by a hauler. You can also pull around a jet can with your wrecks as you salvage them and empty the loot/salvage into it. Be aware that there are people who's job is to scan down mission runners and steal their salvage. What is funny though is to run level one missions in these areas - and then watch the loot stealer taking all that level 1 loot. All of sudden - they will realize that you did not kill battleships - and be gone.
4) Mining is always easier in a quiet system. Look at the map of EVE and set the filter to show pilots in space - then go where they aren't. Mining in Mission Space - in a quiet system - you stand a very low chance of being bothered.
5) Lastly, if you are salvaging or hauling in from multiple locations you can go into your People and Places and sort by Date. This can put all your recent bookmarks in order and you can go fetch them in order, oldest first - so they don't expire while you are in transit.
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Plague Dren
Graspers
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Posted - 2017.01.02 12:12:24 -
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One thing i haven-¦t tested yet - A mobile tractor unit
What happens if you anchor this in the belt and jetcan all your ore everytime the cargo is full? It holds around 26k m-¦ as far as i know... It can be destroyed of course, but for those minutes you hop into your industrial this should be ok i guess?
But it would be a viable option. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
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Posted - 2017.01.02 14:58:07 -
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Plague Dren wrote:One thing i haven-¦t tested yet - A mobile tractor unit
What happens if you anchor this in the belt and jetcan all your ore everytime the cargo is full? It holds around 26k m-¦ as far as i know... It can be destroyed of course, but for those minutes you hop into your industrial this should be ok i guess?
But it would be a viable option.
One classical use for the Mobile Tractor unit is mining in a Covetor. As you know the Covetor has inferior ore hold capacity, but, is far superior when it comes to mining yield. So typical practice here is to deploy an MTU well away from the belt warp in location and then mine with the Covetor. Every two or three cycles the Covetor will need to jettison the ore, which is then scooped up by the MTU. Once you fill the MTU, cans will still be pulled in and be collected around it.
The cans will survive in space for 1.5 hr, and before this time you should dock at station and return with a Misamos. In 1.5 hrs of mining with a Covetor it is possible to fill a Miasmos 3 times over. If you bookmark the MTU and warp to it directly, the Miasmos recovery operation is very quick.
Also, don't forget to keep a Cruiser or Battlecruiser docked in the nearby station. If someone were to agro your MTU, or starts can-flipping, you need to be prepared to take them out. Never engage with your Covetor because it's tank is paper thin. Keep an eye on D-scan, and keep your Covetor aligned. It is super slow getting to warp. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
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Posted - 2017.01.02 16:33:05 -
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So much information that I admit to only scanning this so for give me if this has been mentioned and I missed it.
An alternative to the jet can is a secure container anchored in space, just remember that even the largest holds less than the ore hold on your Venture. They are more secure than a jet can but come with a set of unique problems. A caution I have not investigated if the Alpha clones can use these so you will have to check that as well. Here is a link on mining in EvE, please see the section titled Jetcan and GSC Mining for information specific to these secure containers.
Oh and the secure containers come in many different sizes so there is likely to be one that will work for you.
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Black-Hawk Ellecon
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.05 14:31:26 -
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Great information thank you all very much. I am now seriously considering going Omega as I have been Alpha for nearly a month and would like to explore more options and ships etc which I cannot as an Alpha. Thanks again!! |
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