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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1884
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Posted - 2016.12.30 15:57:11 -
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Graelyn wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Truly, we live in the darkest of dark times. That'll be 12 ISK.
No it won't.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
410
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Posted - 2016.12.30 17:26:37 -
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Val Kaleth wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote:Val Kaleth wrote:Ayallah wrote:Val Kaleth wrote:Ammatar are useless and weak minded, if that was not true they would be free and shooting at you. The Ammatar are free though ...are you being sarcastic or do you really not understand what the mandate is? I was pointing out the stupidity of choosing to be Ammatar. If anyone has ever had the chance to choose where, when, and to what bloodline to be born, I've never heard of them. No, but licking boots is a choice. The only option left is to shoot apples at them. If your argument is to hold the generations that exist today, as distinct individuals under an established culture, as responsible for their ancestors actions, then you'll find precisely zero innocent souls in New Eden at the end of that tally. Decisions made in the past are just that. Past, with only the aspect of hindsight as to whether we cling to the results as justification for more of the same, in repetition.
It's a personal choice to use past decisions to justify current views and actions. It is not a personal choice to be born into the results of past decisions that have resulted in a solidified social construct.
If however, the argument is in regards to current "boot licking"... Ignoring that the Ammatar likely have no desire to do so, unless there is some proviso for the Mandate to truly break away and become independent, I suspect any such attempt would go over much the same as my own ancestors decision to depart the Federation, of which we were signatories, rather than a conquered population.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2810
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Posted - 2016.12.30 17:36:56 -
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Saya Ishikari wrote: If your argument is to hold the generations that exist today, as distinct individuals under an established culture, as responsible for their ancestors actions, then you'll find precisely zero innocent souls in New Eden at the end of that tally. Decisions made in the past are just that. Past, with only the aspect of hindsight as to whether we cling to the results as justification for more of the same, in repetition.
It's a personal choice to use past decisions to justify current views and actions. It is not a personal choice to be born into the results of past decisions that have resulted in a solidified social construct.
If however, the argument is in regards to current "boot licking"... Ignoring that the Ammatar likely have no desire to do so, unless there is some proviso for the Mandate to truly break away and become independent, I suspect any such attempt would go over much the same as my own ancestors decision to depart the Federation, of which we were signatories, rather than a conquered population.
Or, and I'm just tossing this out there as one of those things you might want to consider, she could be saying that the people of the Ammatar Mandate have the choice to either be Ammatar, remaining where they are and continuing to serve the Ardishapur family (Because they technically own the Mandate in trust for the Throne, the Ammatar themselves don't.) or they could choose to rejoin the reconstructed Nefantar Tribe in the Republic, and help shape the course their people chart toward the future. |
Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative
410
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Posted - 2016.12.30 18:35:31 -
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Arrendis wrote:Saya Ishikari wrote: If your argument is to hold the generations that exist today, as distinct individuals under an established culture, as responsible for their ancestors actions, then you'll find precisely zero innocent souls in New Eden at the end of that tally. Decisions made in the past are just that. Past, with only the aspect of hindsight as to whether we cling to the results as justification for more of the same, in repetition.
It's a personal choice to use past decisions to justify current views and actions. It is not a personal choice to be born into the results of past decisions that have resulted in a solidified social construct.
If however, the argument is in regards to current "boot licking"... Ignoring that the Ammatar likely have no desire to do so, unless there is some proviso for the Mandate to truly break away and become independent, I suspect any such attempt would go over much the same as my own ancestors decision to depart the Federation, of which we were signatories, rather than a conquered population.
Or, and I'm just tossing this out there as one of those things you might want to consider, she could be saying that the people of the Ammatar Mandate have the choice to either be Ammatar, remaining where they are and continuing to serve the Ardishapur family (Because they technically own the Mandate in trust for the Throne, the Ammatar themselves don't.) or they could choose to rejoin the reconstructed Nefantar Tribe in the Republic, and help shape the course their people chart toward the future. That's part of my reference. I'd assumed it would be understood. Breaking it down more simply; The choice you perceive is not the choice they perceive. Presented from the opposite end, they have the option of abandoning all they know, and an established, if subservient, existence, in order to take a massive risk in a historically unstable nation, or continue the status quo.
Does that cover the implication thoroughly enough? I'm assuming that such unspoken context is understood, which is often a mistake on my part. Again, the way perceptions differ.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Izetta Malgar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.01.01 19:39:18 -
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Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1888
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Posted - 2017.01.01 21:34:54 -
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Izetta Malgar wrote:Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work.
Objection. I am not a filthy slaver.
Why, I sometimes have as many as two showers a day.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Izetta Malgar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.01.02 01:50:12 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work. Objection. I am not a filthy slaver. Why, I sometimes have as many as two showers a day.
Any slaver is filthy to the Minmatar, no matter which overpriced scented soap you people use. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1889
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Posted - 2017.01.02 01:56:05 -
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Izetta Malgar wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work. Objection. I am not a filthy slaver. Why, I sometimes have as many as two showers a day. Any slaver is filthy to the Minmatar, no matter which overpriced scented soap you people use.
Oh, so now you're an expert in cosmetics pricing as well, are you ?
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Izetta Malgar
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2017.01.02 02:35:14 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work. Objection. I am not a filthy slaver. Why, I sometimes have as many as two showers a day. Any slaver is filthy to the Minmatar, no matter which overpriced scented soap you people use. Oh, so now you're an expert in cosmetics pricing as well, are you ?
Well at least our cosmetics aren't made from slave labor. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2819
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Posted - 2017.01.02 05:56:01 -
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Izetta Malgar wrote:Valerie Valate wrote: Oh, so now you're an expert in cosmetics pricing as well, are you ?
Well at least our cosmetics aren't made from slave labor.
Do you mean by slave labor? Because otherwise... wow, I really need to have some words with my Amarr friends... |
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1889
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Posted - 2017.01.02 13:34:22 -
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Izetta Malgar wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Izetta Malgar wrote:Well there's your problem... you're a filthy slaver using traitors to do your work. Objection. I am not a filthy slaver. Why, I sometimes have as many as two showers a day. Any slaver is filthy to the Minmatar, no matter which overpriced scented soap you people use. Oh, so now you're an expert in cosmetics pricing as well, are you ? Well at least our cosmetics aren't made from slave labor.
Let us suppose that cosmetics are made by slave labor, rather than skilled artisans.
Now, since slaves do not receive payment that is generally in line with the services they provide, then one can suppose that the cosmetics would in fact be rather cheap.
Therefore, it is reasonable to suppose then, that the soap cannot then be overpriced. Because it is cheap.
Now, let us suppose that the soap is indeed made by skilled artisans.
Now, since artisans would receive payment in line with their skills, then, the soap may indeed be quite expensive.
But not overpriced, unless you are saying that skilled soap makers should be paid less.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1839
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Posted - 2017.01.02 13:53:47 -
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You forgot that skilled artisans also use slave labour for the menial tasks that do not require fine workmanship.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
507
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Posted - 2017.01.02 13:57:42 -
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Or that the price of things and the cost of things are often almost completely unrelated.
Das ist schmutzig, falsch und moralisch höchst verwerflich. Bin dabei.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1889
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Posted - 2017.01.02 14:00:21 -
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Don't over complicate this, people.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Jev North
Hyperpredator Rest Home
507
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Posted - 2017.01.02 14:07:58 -
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I'll have you know I've plugged a lot of intelligence boosting implants and cerebral enhancers and they will not go to waste.
Das ist schmutzig, falsch und moralisch höchst verwerflich. Bin dabei.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1889
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Posted - 2017.01.03 17:30:16 -
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What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
370
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:13:07 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive.
If the late Lord Ardishapur, of all people, and his recent heir, and PIE Inc., could, and still can, trust Ammatar, so do we. Dunno if that applies to the Sani Sabik heresy, but if it doesn't, it's certainly a compliment to the Ammatar. I trust Ammatar.
Can't comment on anything that happens in the Republic, but I've heard that they say "don't drop the soap" and "never pick up the soap, it's a trap", so I suppose you're right on that item. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1841
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Posted - 2017.01.04 01:27:30 -
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Tamiroth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive. If the late Lord Ardishapur, of all people, and his recent heir, and PIE Inc., could, and still can, trust Ammatar, so do we. Dunno if that applies to the Sani Sabik heresy, but if it doesn't, it's certainly a compliment to the Ammatar. I trust Ammatar. Can't comment on anything that happens in the Republic, but I've heard that they say "don't drop the soap" and "never pick up the soap, it's a trap", so I suppose you're right on that item.
It's a prison saying, apparently.
Also, there are many family businesses within the Republic built around the manufacture of cheap soap from animal fat. They usually add herbs and etc into them and each of these has their own divergent recipes. Yes, they are cheap. And they work in both removing grime and covering what body odour that remains with an herbal finish. Also, they are cheap. Even in the border regions.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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morion
Lighting Build
174
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Posted - 2017.01.05 19:46:02 -
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keep working that imagination it will / should pull the stick from your but.
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Val Kaleth
Realm of Mischief
756
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Posted - 2017.01.06 11:17:12 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive.
You forgot to say that oranges are better than apples.
Feel free to join me in game in the "Realm of Mischief" channel.
disappears in a cloud of rust
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1891
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Posted - 2017.01.06 14:22:53 -
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Val Kaleth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive. You forgot to say that oranges are better than apples.
I did not forget, because that is most certainly not something I would say.
Since apples are better than oranges.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
233
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Posted - 2017.01.06 21:41:35 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Val Kaleth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive. You forgot to say that oranges are better than apples. I did not forget, because that is most certainly not something I would say. Since apples are better than oranges. Banana is better. Because banana.
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Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
381
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Posted - 2017.01.06 22:05:32 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Val Kaleth wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:What an enlightening thread.
Ammatars can't be trusted. And in the Republic, life is cheap, but soap is expensive.
What a time to be alive. You forgot to say that oranges are better than apples. I did not forget, because that is most certainly not something I would say. Since apples are better than oranges.
I took the time to write it down at a napkin at a cafe in Mehatoor and now I'm at the terminal in our office! So.
Five Reasons the Oranges are Better than Apples
1. Oranges are Orange, and possess a vigorous, cheerful, inspiring color, while apples are (mostly) depressingly green, or have an unhealthy reddish tinge.
2. Oranges are refreshing, while apples just irritate stomach.
3. Oranges have an awesome smell that instantly fills the room. I also noticed that the smell of oranges keeps the pests, like fedos, well away.
4. Oranges are good for your health as a natural source of vitamin C that apples lack.
5. Apple is somewhat of a traditional symbol of temptation and sin, while orange is associated with nobility.
6. ... Ah, just surrender and accept the refreshing, healthy and optimistic superiority of the Orange :P |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2841
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Posted - 2017.01.07 00:38:25 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:I did not forget, because that is most certainly not something I would say.
Since apples are better than oranges.
And it's not nearly bigoted and simple-minded enough. |
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