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Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 09:57:35 -
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I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:01:27 -
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Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No.
It.s not 1/2 speed... it's NORMAL speed.
Omegas get x2 training speed because they pay....... Yes, it is just advertising semantics, but why should F2P players get the same privs as those who sub?
Dont like the training speed and the list of other restrictions on F2P?
Then buy a subscription!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:05:19 -
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Or Skill Injectors.
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Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:08:39 -
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Or boosters!
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:10:27 -
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Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No. It.s not 1/2 speed... it's NORMAL speed. Omegas get x2 training speed because they pay....... Yes, it is just advertising semantics, but why should F2P players get the same privs as those who sub? Dont like the training speed and the list of other restrictions on F2P? Then buy a subscription!
The OP is correct that Alphas train SP at half speed. It is half speed because before Alphas existed the normal training speed was double what Alphas currently get. When Alphas were introduced they were given HALF the training speed of an Omega. CCP try to make it look different by writing "x2" next to the Omega skill queue but it is a lie, Omegas train at the same rate they always did.
Now that that's sorted out, i still think OP needs to stop whining and sub if he wants to play the full game. Alphas are supposed to be gimped, welcome to the real world buttercup.
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Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:13:14 -
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Keno Skir wrote:Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No. It.s not 1/2 speed... it's NORMAL speed. Omegas get x2 training speed because they pay....... Yes, it is just advertising semantics, but why should F2P players get the same privs as those who sub? Dont like the training speed and the list of other restrictions on F2P? Then buy a subscription! The OP is correct that Alphas train SP at half speed. It is half speed because before Alphas existed the normal training speed was double what Alphas currently get. When Alphas were introduced they were given HALF the training speed of an Omega. CCP try to make it look different by writing "x2" next to the Omega skill queue but it is a lie, Omegas train at the same rate they always did. Now that that's sorted out, i still think OP needs to stop whining and sub if he wants to play the full game. Alphas are supposed to be gimped, welcome to the real world buttercup.
And you good sir need to learn to read what is written...
I did point out that the x2 training speed is advertising semantics....
But still, very much agree people need to stop whining in regards to alpha restrictions, it is getting very tedious.
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:15:04 -
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Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No.
I had alts with a 2+ year skill plan, I've restarted quite a few times resulting in playign on low SP. Stop whining or stop playing, it has nothing to do with "enjoyment", it has to do with entitlement. |
Knitram Relik
Atomic Amish
66
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:17:36 -
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You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome.
"The problem with quotes on the internet is that it's really hard to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
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Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:18:27 -
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Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No. It.s not 1/2 speed... it's NORMAL speed. Omegas get x2 training speed because they pay....... Yes, it is just advertising semantics, but why should F2P players get the same privs as those who sub? Dont like the training speed and the list of other restrictions on F2P? Then buy a subscription!
I have no issue with buying a subscription to be equivalent with omegas...as my first 2 sentences attest. My issue is that I can't even skill up enough to be anything but a floating target. I have yet to be killed in pvp so don't think this is a ragequit post of any sort. I'm just having a hard time doing anything without the skills required to do it.
You can't just go buy injectors if you don't have the isk. To earn the isk you need the skills. That goes for any occupation in the game besides begging. |
Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:20:35 -
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Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome.
This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone. |
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Vigirr
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:21:07 -
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Helix Coils wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome. This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone.
No, feel free to leave. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
60
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:24:51 -
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Helix Coils wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome. This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone.
They already have....
They introduced F2P to a wave of immense ingratitude.
Yes there are restrictions, otherwise why would anyone sub?
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34601
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:27:19 -
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I was surprised when they said alphas would accumulate SP. I thought it would be a frozen SP thing, with no reduced abilities so I guess I believe there's a better way. But the SP accumulation was always part of the deal. Skill injectors are a thing too. I would've paid out of pocket for injectors when I started out so I think this might be a case of having different attitudes.
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Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:31:50 -
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I was also brought into the game by players who did it the hard way, so I never knew any different. Maybe older players never ran into this issue because it was never an option, there was only one subscription mode.
I don't really have a problem with 6 million SP characters reaching that point faster. I wouldn't question alphas training at normal speed. You get what, racial frigates and destroyers and support skills to 4? I don't even know. I should probably check.
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Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:33:24 -
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Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome. This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone. They already have.... They introduced F2P to a wave of immense ingratitude. Yes there are restrictions, otherwise why would anyone sub?
Like I said, I'm fine with restrictions. You mention "immense ingratitude" but I have seen very little of that expressed by any new players. However, what exactly am I supposed to be grateful for? The ability to fly around and look at the shiny ships? |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34601
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:39:46 -
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Helix Coils wrote:Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome. This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone. They already have.... They introduced F2P to a wave of immense ingratitude. Yes there are restrictions, otherwise why would anyone sub? Like I said, I'm fine with restrictions. You mention "immense ingratitude" but I have seen very little of that expressed by any new players. However, what exactly am I supposed to be grateful for? The ability to fly around and look at the shiny ships? The simple answer is "logging in," because that was the biggest change. It used to be that if your sub ran out, you couldn't play and you couldn't even post on the forums.
It's a fair question, and if the game is worth playing we should be able to answer it. What are you supposed to think is worth logging in over.
I think the main thing is the interaction. It's really easy to miss out on EVE's best selling point, which is small and large group gameplay. Without it you're very likely to wonder what's worth paying for.
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Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:44:01 -
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Helix Coils wrote:Demonspawn 666 wrote:Helix Coils wrote:Knitram Relik wrote:You're already getting more than what you're paying for. You're welcome. This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone. They already have.... They introduced F2P to a wave of immense ingratitude. Yes there are restrictions, otherwise why would anyone sub? Like I said, I'm fine with restrictions. You mention "immense ingratitude" but I have seen very little of that expressed by any new players. However, what exactly am I supposed to be grateful for? The ability to fly around and look at the shiny ships?
Immense ingratitude =The near constant stream of poor Alphas need more for free threads.
What you should be grateful for is the ability to fly some of those shiny ships, upto T1 Cruiser of your race and the gnosis! Sounds very much like your issue is that people have shinier ships because they pay for the game. That may not be the case (ship envy is a terrible thing! Just remember size isn't everything... It's what you do with it that counts), I hope it's not, you keep saying you have no issue with restrictions, so why are you posting with issues on restrictions?
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Immortal Overlord
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:55:54 -
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Personally, I think CCP should get rid of the half training speed, but keep the cap. I have played EvE for years so I had to deal with learning skills e.t.c.
However whats the point in trying a game at half speed. I will say, If I were new it would put me off alittle.
I have some alpha accounts & I can tell you that I would like to sub. Its like having a goal & subbing is the endgame in that section. You want people to try the game for what it is, then let them try it. Also people finding out your lying about giving omegas x2 speed, doesn't give you good rep.
However EvE is still the best game out there. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
797
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Posted - 2016.12.23 10:58:09 -
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Helix Coils wrote:This sort of attitude is not encouraging anyone to stick around. Want alpha's to stick around? Throw us a bone.
You don't want a bone, you want the whole cow! |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34604
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:00:12 -
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Hey Helix Coils, how many hours have you played so far? What have you tried out in the game
I think this is an understandable reaction to playing EVE for most people, and I'm just curious what you think about what you've experienced.
Did you try to do something specific that you couldn't complete due to ship skills?
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Remiel Pollard
Shock Treatment Ministries
8507
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:20:38 -
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Helix Coils wrote:I can accept that even maxed out an alpha can't compete with an omega toe to toe. I can accept that we are gimped with what ships we can fly, modules we can use, skills we can use etc.
However this 1/2 speed skill nerf is killing me as far as enjoyment goes. I'm really not willing to wait around 2 weeks to be halfway competent in any one skill tree. 6 months to be "maxed out" Just. No.
You're getting more than what you've paid for, so suck it up, or sub.
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Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:21:11 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Hey Helix Coils, how many hours have you played so far? What have you tried out in the game
I think this is an understandable reaction to playing EVE for most people, and I'm just curious what you think about what you've experienced.
Did you try to do something specific that you couldn't complete due to ship skills?
Excellent question. I think this character is about 3 weeks old. I've started about 9 characters trying out different races and strategies then sold everything off to this character.
I don't have any expectation to be able to pvp any time soon as an alpha so I've been focusing on high sec combat sites and wormhole exploration. I've dabbled in market trading, hauling, and mining. Even when avoiding the obvious problems an alpha will encounter, I still have a very hard time scanning down sites (using sister probes and the best fits I can use) with my current skills.
I just don't know what it is I'm supposed to be able to accomplish at this point. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:22:20 -
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Helix Coils wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Hey Helix Coils, how many hours have you played so far? What have you tried out in the game
I think this is an understandable reaction to playing EVE for most people, and I'm just curious what you think about what you've experienced.
Did you try to do something specific that you couldn't complete due to ship skills? Excellent question. I think this character is about 3 weeks old. I've started about 9 characters trying out different races and strategies then sold everything off to this character. I don't have any expectation to be able to pvp any time soon as an alpha so I've been focusing on high sec combat sites and wormhole exploration. I've dabbled in market trading, hauling, and mining. Even when avoiding the obvious problems an alpha will encounter, I still have a very hard time scanning down sites (using sister probes and the best fits I can use) with my current skills. I just don't know what it is I'm supposed to be able to accomplish at this point. You figured out how to do all that in three weeks?
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:25:16 -
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I think the answer is plugging yourself into a larger group. Being an alpha isn't a problem for you or anyone else in that situation.
If you're looking for one last thing to try I suggest getting yourself onto voice comms with people. That's where these individual gameplay pieces come together. Otherwise EVE feels like a single player game and it sucks at that.
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Kreutz Ikeyaseki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:27:26 -
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Immortal Overlord wrote:Personally, I think CCP should get rid of the half training speed, but keep the cap. I have played EvE for years so I had to deal with learning skills e.t.c.
However whats the point in trying a game at half speed. I will say, If I were new it would put me off alittle.
I'm a new alpha. I'm not experiencing this whole 'can't do anything, I'm only a floating target' thing that the OP is complaining about. Yeah, I'm more or less broke. Yeah, I can't do anything very well. But I can still try it. Can do an okish job of exploring. Can mine ok for a bit of cash while I'm doing other work by computer. Can run missions ok, do most of SOE arc. Apparently I'll need help for a couple of those. Haven't yet, but can apparently do okish job in pvp roams, too. Be a scout, be a tackle, be a very dead bait alpha cluelessly wandering into low security space. I don't think I could fight anybody 1v1, but so what? More to do than any other free trial I've played, more fun than any other free trial I've played, which is why I'll be subbing.
However, if CCP got rid of the half training speed, I wouldn't sub. At least, not yet. Looks like some of the alpha skills are low priority, but looks like there's maybe 3-4 million of the 5 million that are high priority general skills I'm going to want anyway. If I trained at full speed, that'd be 10-12 weeks of training to get those points? So I'd play free for 3 months, and only sub then. Instead, I've played for 2 weeks and will be subbing to get proper training speed. I don't think it'll open up any new gameplay avenues for me in the next 2-3 months, I'll still be new player in basic ships trying to learn the game.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:27:34 -
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https://discordapp.com/invite/2ZNFNfA
ah **** how could I forget: EVE an Hour project, start there. It's for players like you, a lot like rookie channel but it doesn't suck lol.
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Rain6637
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:30:45 -
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Helix you said you couldn't scan down a site with your skills. Were those max alpha scanning skills or do you have some levels to go
I'm curious what site you wanted to find, and what its scan requirements are. Whether that site is scannable by alphas might not have been considered.
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Kreutz Ikeyaseki
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
1
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:34:50 -
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Helix Coils wrote:[quote=Rain6637]Even when avoiding the obvious problems an alpha will encounter, I still have a very hard time scanning down sites (using sister probes and the best fits I can use) with my current skills.
Admittedly I find the scanning minigame quite intuitive, but I have a probe strength of I think 81 without sisters stuff, and can scan down most of the sites I see, including stuff I found in null on the other side of a wormhole. As far as I know, the only stuff I can't get scanned are sleeper caches. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
66
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:40:25 -
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Kreutz Ikeyaseki wrote:Immortal Overlord wrote:Personally, I think CCP should get rid of the half training speed, but keep the cap. I have played EvE for years so I had to deal with learning skills e.t.c.
However whats the point in trying a game at half speed. I will say, If I were new it would put me off alittle. I'm a new alpha. I'm not experiencing this whole 'can't do anything, I'm only a floating target' thing that the OP is complaining about. Yeah, I'm more or less broke. Yeah, I can't do anything very well. But I can still try it. Can do an okish job of exploring. Can mine ok for a bit of cash while I'm doing other work by computer. Can run missions ok, do most of SOE arc. Apparently I'll need help for a couple of those. Haven't yet, but can apparently do okish job in pvp roams, too. Be a scout, be a tackle, be a very dead bait alpha cluelessly wandering into low security space. I don't think I could fight anybody 1v1, but so what? More to do than any other free trial I've played, more fun than any other free trial I've played, which is why I'll be subbing. However, if CCP got rid of the half training speed, I wouldn't sub. At least, not yet. Looks like some of the alpha skills are low priority, but looks like there's maybe 3-4 million of the 5 million that are high priority general skills I'm going to want anyway. If I trained at full speed, that'd be 10-12 weeks of training to get those points? So I'd play free for 3 months, and only sub then. Instead, I've played for 2 weeks and will be subbing to get proper training speed. I don't think it'll open up any new gameplay avenues for me in the next 2-3 months, I'll still be new player in basic ships trying to learn the game.
Thank you very much for posting this!
It is so refreshing to see the enjoyment and keenness of some people, despite the alpha restrictions!
I hope you stay with it, join a corp and find some like-minded souls to do stuff with. The enjoyment of this game isn't how much isk you have in your wallet or how big your ship is, it's the interactions that make the game.
You may be broke, but you are trying to have fun and have a positive outlook, that counts for a lot.
Will happily send you some isk when I get home from work, enjoy, spend it on something ridiculously overpriced, take it out and get it blown up, enjoy the cool explosion, shake with adrenaline , repeat ad infinitum.
Yeah I'm a tit, but at least I'm not ugly!
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Helix Coils
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
2
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Posted - 2016.12.23 11:41:00 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Helix you said you couldn't scan down a site with your skills. Were those max alpha scanning skills or do you have some levels to go
I'm curious what site you wanted to find, and what its scan requirements are. Whether that site is scannable by alphas might not have been considered.
Thanks for the tips, a corp is probably my next step.
I'm around level 3 on my exploration skills and I think the next level is like 9 days away. Yesterday I spent all day going into wormholes and only finding sleeper sites which is a big part of my annoyance. If I could just scan down things faster it wouldn't be an all day thing. Exploring is fun, scanning not so much.
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