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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.23 19:10:08 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:The TL;DR version:
The Theology Council jumped through ecclesiastical hoops to legitimize Jamyl Sarum after the Drifters killed her in her pod, thus exposing her status as a Capsuleer. But you must not ask questions because otherwise you're a BAD PERSON. Being a pod pilot is not Heretical, pod pilots have existed for years before cloning was perfected. What you are saying is Heresy but I figured you would not change when Khanid died.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
672
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Posted - 2016.12.24 19:21:49 -
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A Khanid is acting heretical and is suspiciously associated with a Blood Raider?
Shocking.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
679
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Posted - 2016.12.25 00:22:18 -
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Thank you for the explanation of the Exhortation Gaven.
I want to remind everyone the soul can be damaged by loss, hardship, pain, Isolation, and exposure. But it is strong and endures and has endured through all of human history.
I believe with faith, it can endure the Empyrean age too.
Quote:". . .as the flesh of their birth would speak to us" AndQuote:The Theology Council also noted and reaffirmed that the Yulai Convention's prohibition on simultaneous instantiations of a single personality in multiple clones is in accord with Amarr scripture. Should both serve as warning to those who have thought of Transhumanism. You could be risking more than the memories of a soft clone with your actions.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
679
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Posted - 2016.12.25 17:15:10 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Synthetic Cultist wrote:Gaven Lok'ri wrote:Yes. If the soul is embodied, then having multiple clones at once either means that the soul is diffused between them in some fashion or that only one of them is an embodied soul and the rest are soulless monsters. What of a cloned Body that is animated by an entirely New Personality, that is not a clone of an existing Person ? Do they have a Soul ? The ruling says nothing either way about the possibility of souls for synthetic beings. The Phrase "As the flesh of their birth would speak to us." could be interpreted as damning to synthetic beings and those who have modified their bodies to be unrecognizable from human. That is how I understood it though, like you, I am not a Theologian.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2016.12.25 18:39:17 -
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Arrendis wrote:Mokk's responsible for his own crimes. He's not responsible for someone else's. No matter how he gets them, Nauplius bears the responsibility for what Nauplius does to his slaves. He doesn't get to spread the blame out to lessen the load. This is bullshit. He is selling Slaves directly to a psychopath with full knowledge they will be tortured, mutilated, and killed.
Guess what, that is a crime. and he is responsible for it.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
682
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Posted - 2016.12.26 22:57:22 -
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Arrendis wrote:Is it? Where does Pandemic Horde outlaw that? For that matter, where does Pandemic Legion outlaw slaving, torture, mutilation, or killing people in their space?
If it's true, I'd be glad to hear it, but there's been absolutely no statements of the sort from Gobbins, Grath, Elise... We, like most alliances including yours, do not make laws that effect things outside the scope of piloting. It is very rare that an alliance would make laws on terrestrial, social, or economic issues to my understanding. I personally can only think of a small handful that have any laws like that. That said, I am sure all three would be just *thrilled* to have their members flaunting what Sinjin is doing. I have little experience with Gobbins but I think we all know how Grath and Elise view things like this and if not, you can just ask them.
I sort of doubt they are concerned with the claims and actions of a random horde pilot while the winter holiday season is on though. It would be like asking Mittani to rule on a case of someone shooting cans of slaves and claiming it makes the astronomicon stay lit. Not likely he will be interested, though he may have a strong opinion on it. Sort of a delegated job i.e. call a diplomat.
I did very much consider going to a Horde director to have him removed when I saw what he was doing but decided against it.
<< OOC note: I am not the kind of person to report and have someone kicked from their corp over rp. Nothing against those who play those stakes or want others to be held to them as that is what makes eve rp unique, I just personally am not interested in doing so, especially from Horde. >>
Regardless, I was speaking of it as a crime in an absolute, not something explicitly or specifically prohibited in Pandemic Horde or any terrestrial law. If it continues to be a problem perhaps a diplomat should be contacted.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
685
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Posted - 2016.12.27 22:10:12 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:On the subject of NullSec alliances.
We all witnessed a very large interstellar war this year. "World War Bee" as some call it, resulted in a great upheaval in Nullsec. Systems that had known a kind of peace under the rule of the Goons were suddenly ruled by a wide variety of different corporations, each with their own agenda.
The loss of ships and material was staggering.
But for each ship destroyed, each station or planet taken, there are survivors.
Most "refubees" are given the option to continue their lives with their support now going to the new Corporations.
Many however, cannot be used or utilized due to the nature of serving a military machine. What are we to do? Put them in a jetcan and fire them into the nearest star? Waste time and resources and probably lose lives in transporting them back to their Corporation of origin? Imprison them? Imprison millions of them? During WWB I tied with two others as the highest payed non-FC's, meaning myself and those other two pilots were recognized as having done the most work when it came to physically taking the space. We took planets and star systems in a variety of ways but the handling of refugees was done exactly the same across the theatre.
We left them alone. If they stayed on their planets and orbitals, great. They were the problem of the alliances who took over the space. If they had the money to evacuate to Saranen, they probably did. Maybe some random corp or alliance involved decided they wanted to pay for refugees to get to Saranen but I am not aware of any who did. I am certain there are thousands or millions of people who lived and worked under the former Imperium who eventually migrated to Delve. I am not sure how many were sponsored or moved by the Imperium itself, you would have to ask Arrendis or another member of the Imperium. As for what percent stayed and how many were killed you will have to go to the scope for those statistics.
Who is going to spend the resources to lift people off a planet or an orbital just to execute them in space? Anyone who needed executing was probably shot already by the time pilots were moving into the systems we took. It is not like we went and invaded with kind words. The cities and nations of the Imperium did not just decided to change flags overnight. The exception would be the idiotic trials Darkness and TEST held for former Imperium administrators but I had nothing to do with that except for the physical breaking of the defenses in the space.
I just want to point out my personal experience in this before I tell you that your straw man argument about jet cans and enslavement is stupid. You are throwing up noise about a war that took place months ago and the other side of New Eden and has absolutely nothing to do with you directly selling slaves to Nauplius.Sinjin Mokk wrote:So again, you don't get to claim the moral high ground when you engage in or take benefit from the system of slavery. Just because I'm not willing to hide what I am and what I do under a veneer of false civility doesn't make you better than me. You ARE me.
I do not say this as a Horde pilot. I do not say this as an Archangel. I say this as a Free Captain who is fighting for a better Galaxy. But if I'm going to fight for a better Galaxy, it has to be one worth living in, without the lies and corruption of CONCORD and your petty governments.
You don't like slavery? Don't do it. You don't like the system? Change it.
The system of slavery that benefits the Amarrian Empire has rules which you are breaking. You are shooting yourself in the foot by pointing out that slavery is a working system because your actions are specifically outside that system
And is it just me or does almost every time someone call themselves a free captain they turn out to be an idiot? I was not around in those days but the people who still bring that up are almost unanimously poorly adjusted in my experience.
Probably that those who identify themselves as a past title tend to be less well adjusted and not to blame on the common organization they shared.
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
686
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Posted - 2016.12.27 23:41:39 -
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Which is no less than I expected, gsf has always had the gold standard of social services.
Sinjin is just bringing up the war to try and distract from what he did.
As strength goes.
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