Originally by: N'kano Hunyeq

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Edited by: N''kano Hunyeq on 15/04/2007 10:13:06
This is the game development forum, it's not a place for flaming, you say i am the loser yet you can't handle your rage, and at least i don't hide behind alts when i post. I don't even know any schmarty pants.

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Originally by: schmarty pants

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Originally by: N'kano Hunyeq

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Edited by: N''kano Hunyeq on 15/04/2007 10:13:06
This is the game development forum, it's not a place for flaming, you say i am the loser yet you can't handle your rage, and at least i don't hide behind alts when i post. I don't even know any schmarty pants.

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You know what I find funny now is that you have left the npc corp with your N'kano character and joined a real player corp, but it's awful strange that you don't haunt deltole anymore? Prolly too much to read the same 30 gallente excryption methods skillbooks all the time...

Your alts still remain, ploughing away, day after day.

And here's a good pic!

Lameass

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Originally by: Lady Ganker

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Sound like a new way to grief in empire, as the gm reply stated "you will be flagged to everyone". So well you boost a rat in a frigate, someone see's you flashing red and attacks you. The bugger pods you, you dock and come back in a command ship and gank the poor bugger.

I hope the change isn't intended like that.

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Originally by: Lady Ganker

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Sound like a new way to grief in empire, as the gm reply stated "you will be flagged to everyone". So well you boost a rat in a frigate, someone see's you flashing red and attacks you. The bugger pods you, you dock and come back in a command ship and gank the poor bugger.

I hope the change isn't intended like that.

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Originally by: lickspittle

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Edited by: lickspittle on 18/04/2007 08:17:09

Originally by: Chruker

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- Anyway you need to kill the warp scramblers. However you find it impossible because some other player in the complex is remotely healing the warp scrambler. So in effect you are stranded/dead.

So I'm asking why don't we get kill rights on the player that is assisting the rats?

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This resembles an upcoming change TomB had me make the other day. Here is the check-in description:
"Aiding an NPC with a security status kill bonus in empire space is now considered the same as aiding a player outlaw. The player aiding will be criminal flagged to everyone."

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Hold your horses, folks.

Never forget the unceasing war against chinese gold farmers.

We use this NPC assisting trick to nail macro miners all the time, and this sort of change, while it does have pluses, would make our job very very difficult. You see, with this implement, any troublemaker would be able to attack the macro pirate who is simply trying to improve the economy in EVE by getting rid of some cheating chinese little kid working a sweatshop somewhere in the motherland.

I DO, however, have a suggestion!

Macro pirates like this change for one reason. We will suddenly start flashing red to macro miners for apparently no reason. This might excite the stupid bot into attacking us. IN THEIR BARGE! So, I recommend this.

Make the flag corporation wide, NOT global.

This means that anyone in the offended's corp will be able to attack the NPC-assister, but not just any random joe.

So the complex runner will still be able to nail the random jerk, along with any friends in his corporation, and we macro pirates will be safe from random troublemakers.

All in agreement?

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Hold your horses, folks.

Never forget the unceasing war against chinese gold farmers.

We use this NPC assisting trick to nail macro miners all the time, and this sort of change, while it does have pluses, would make our job very very difficult. You see, with this implement, any troublemaker would be able to attack the macro pirate who is simply trying to improve the economy in EVE by getting rid of some cheating chinese little kid working a sweatshop somewhere in the motherland.

I DO, however, have a suggestion!

Macro pirates like this change for one reason. We will suddenly start flashing red to macro miners for apparently no reason. This might excite the stupid bot into attacking us. IN THEIR BARGE! So, I recommend this.

Make the flag corporation wide, NOT global.

This means that anyone in the offended's corp will be able to attack the NPC-assister, but not just any random joe.

So the complex runner will still be able to nail the random jerk, along with any friends in his corporation, and we macro pirates will be safe from random troublemakers.

All in agreement?

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Hold your horses, folks.

Never forget the unceasing war against chinese gold farmers.

We use this NPC assisting trick to nail macro miners all the time, and this sort of change, while it does have pluses, would make our job very very difficult. You see, with this implement, any troublemaker would be able to attack the macro pirate who is simply trying to improve the economy in EVE by getting rid of some cheating chinese little kid working a sweatshop somewhere in the motherland.

I DO, however, have a suggestion!

Macro pirates like this change for one reason. We will suddenly start flashing red to macro miners for apparently no reason. This might excite the stupid bot into attacking us. IN THEIR BARGE! So, I recommend this.

Make the flag corporation wide, NOT global.

This means that anyone in the offended's corp will be able to attack the NPC-assister, but not just any random joe.

So the complex runner will still be able to nail the random jerk, along with any friends in his corporation, and we macro pirates will be safe from random troublemakers.

All in agreement?

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Originally by: Chruker

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Edited by: Chruker on 11/04/2007 20:55:21
Situation:
- You are inside a complex in high-sec where there are warp scrambling frigates.
- You enter the combat zone and starts taking damage, and gets scrambled.
- Now at some point you want to warp out, either because of the damage, or because you have gotten item you want.
- Anyway you need to kill the warp scramblers. However you find it impossible because some other player in the complex is remotely healing the warp scrambler. So in effect you are stranded/dead.

So I'm asking why don't we get kill rights on the player that is assisting the rats?

To me this is an obvious bug, and thus the exploit of it should be illegal.

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Originally by: Venkul Mul

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Edited by: Venkul Mul on 25/04/2007 15:15:30

Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Hold your horses, folks.

Never forget the unceasing war against chinese gold farmers.

We use this NPC assisting trick to nail macro miners all the time, and this sort of change, while it does have pluses, would make our job very very difficult. You see, with this implement, any troublemaker would be able to attack the macro pirate who is simply trying to improve the economy in EVE by getting rid of some cheating chinese little kid working a sweatshop somewhere in the motherland.

I DO, however, have a suggestion!

Macro pirates like this change for one reason. We will suddenly start flashing red to macro miners for apparently no reason. This might excite the stupid bot into attacking us. IN THEIR BARGE! So, I recommend this.

Make the flag corporation wide, NOT global.

This means that anyone in the offended's corp will be able to attack the NPC-assister, but not just any random joe.

So the complex runner will still be able to nail the random jerk, along with any friends in his corporation, and we macro pirates will be safe from random troublemakers.

All in agreement?

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So your idea is help farming to hinder macro?

Bright

I hope you are really hunting macro, as most of you "macro hunters" seem so gung-ho that for you any miner is a macro.

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Edited by: Malcurth Deathmind on 26/04/2007 01:05:36

... what are you talking about? Your statement made no sense at all. I have made no statement concerning ASSISTING farmers or macros in any way, and have only suggested a slight change to this patch.

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Originally by: Peim Ei

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What he is talking about is this: (I'll expand his clearly made point into a long drawn-out explanation you might be able to follow): if they implement the change you suggest it removes a great deal of the deterrent effect that these rat-assisters will have. If they only have to worry about one corp getting flagged to them, then they'll be much more likely to continue exploiting the rats, business as usual...so in affect your change will help these people (aka the farmers of complexes). And the effect of helping them in this way would be far more detrimental to the game than your one-man-war on macro-miners will benefit the game.

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Originally by: Peim Ei

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Edited by: Malcurth Deathmind on 26/04/2007 01:05:36

... what are you talking about? Your statement made no sense at all. I have made no statement concerning ASSISTING farmers or macros in any way, and have only suggested a slight change to this patch.

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What he is talking about is this: (I'll expand his clearly made point into a long drawn-out explanation you might be able to follow): if they implement the change you suggest it removes a great deal of the deterrent effect that these rat-assisters will have. If they only have to worry about one corp getting flagged to them, then they'll be much more likely to continue exploiting the rats, business as usual...so in affect your change will help these people (aka the farmers of complexes). And the effect of helping them in this way would be far more detrimental to the game than your one-man-war on macro-miners will benefit the game.

Still with me?

Ok, second. I strongly suggest you give up this cute little idea of 'macro-pirating' In effect you will likely end up griefing the alts of legitimate players. I've read the bio of you alt (Apoc Deathmind) and your so-called methods for figuring out macro-miners are absolutely useless. People who are mining with lasers that have long cycle times are able to mine without concentrating constantly on the screen, this may make them seem like 'bots' however they are not. The reason these alts are in newb corps is because ppl cannot declare war on them that way and they can operate safely in empire space. And lastly..having a strange name is more indicative of an alt than a macro-miner. If it's somebody's business to be inconspicuous..they will have the sense to pick a normal seeming name.

I apologize if I seem harsh, however it's for your own good if you leave the matter of dealing with eula violations to the official methods of CCP. Focus your energy into something more productive, you'll have a better time.

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Originally by: PHPR Freighter

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As MOng said...

Some known macros:

Luffy1985
Maozhedong
ICPMWack
HQZ (or something like that) series
an018
an107
am017

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Hold your horses, folks.

Never forget the unceasing war against chinese gold farmers.

We use this NPC assisting trick to nail macro miners all the time, and this sort of change, while it does have pluses, would make our job very very difficult. You see, with this implement, any troublemaker would be able to attack the macro pirate who is simply trying to improve the economy in EVE by getting rid of some cheating chinese little kid working a sweatshop somewhere in the motherland.

I DO, however, have a suggestion!

Macro pirates like this change for one reason. We will suddenly start flashing red to macro miners for apparently no reason. This might excite the stupid bot into attacking us. IN THEIR BARGE! So, I recommend this.

Make the flag corporation wide, NOT global.

This means that anyone in the offended's corp will be able to attack the NPC-assister, but not just any random joe.

So the complex runner will still be able to nail the random jerk, along with any friends in his corporation, and we macro pirates will be safe from random troublemakers.

All in agreement?

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Originally by: Peim Ei

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Originally by: Malcurth Deathmind

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Edited by: Malcurth Deathmind on 26/04/2007 01:05:36

... what are you talking about? Your statement made no sense at all. I have made no statement concerning ASSISTING farmers or macros in any way, and have only suggested a slight change to this patch.

.

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What he is talking about is this: (I'll expand his clearly made point into a long drawn-out explanation you might be able to follow): if they implement the change you suggest it removes a great deal of the deterrent effect that these rat-assisters will have. If they only have to worry about one corp getting flagged to them, then they'll be much more likely to continue exploiting the rats, business as usual...so in affect your change will help these people (aka the farmers of complexes). And the effect of helping them in this way would be far more detrimental to the game than your one-man-war on macro-miners will benefit the game.

Still with me?

Ok, second. I strongly suggest you give up this cute little idea of 'macro-pirating' In effect you will likely end up griefing the alts of legitimate players. I've read the bio of you alt (Apoc Deathmind) and your so-called methods for figuring out macro-miners are absolutely useless. People who are mining with lasers that have long cycle times are able to mine without concentrating constantly on the screen, this may make them seem like 'bots' however they are not. The reason these alts are in newb corps is because ppl cannot declare war on them that way and they can operate safely in empire space. And lastly..having a strange name is more indicative of an alt than a macro-miner. If it's somebody's business to be inconspicuous..they will have the sense to pick a normal seeming name.

I apologize if I seem harsh, however it's for your own good if you leave the matter of dealing with eula violations to the official methods of CCP. Focus your energy into something more productive, you'll have a better time.

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