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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:06:52 -
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Hello Capsuler-¦s
as i was new in the character trading buisness i realised fast i am not alone with my try to make some ISK and got harrassed by many of the other char tader-¦s like iChooseYou, Gattanera, noobletz, Mr Yakudza, Trimax Enaka, method man06 to name some of them. After a while i figured out why they are so mad and rude with their attitude and what they whrote me, they are just upset that i made better offers then they wanted to give to the sellers.
So i had the idea of making a thread here to let everybody know they can whrite me a message or post in here to receive a message with the actual ISK value measured on the PLEX and Skill Injector market.
I could write more about the math behind and everything but i like more to help you out and keep it short when you have no idea what your character is worth in real and not the offers you get from a char trader.
Some tips i would give you in advance:
- When you think about selling your char, then take your time and ignore the pressure from offer-¦s or mail-¦s can give you.
- Look what skills your char has injected and what are they worth, a good tool to have a view into it is: http://www.eve-appraiser.com/
- You have implants or several clones around new eden? If so, count them in.
- You have other assets like clothes, loyalty points, ship skins, then you should sell them before you trade the char or especially for ship skins count them in.
- Keep an eye on the market and make your own math for the value you would like to get for your char to see if your price you have in mind is realistic or not.
- Never sell a char you will miss in the future, i know several guys who contacted me long time after a trade and want the char back because they realised it was an error to sell.
- Your character has a name, when it is a good one then you should also have a number in mind for this.
- Standings are also worth to count in, if you have a mission runner standing with corporations then it was work to get them, so count this in.
- When you have a high security status then its also worth to count this in, even a couple hundred million are worth it.
- Attribute remaps are also worth to add, normal you have 1 Year to wait before you are able to remap again, so if you have bonus remaps, count them in!
Some things i would like to say about eve-appraiser.com and the math to measure a char value: Before Skill Extractors came into the game the math for the price from a toon was also measured by PLEX and Training Time.
After the introduction of Skill Extractors this has changed and clever guys was able to make tons of ISK with buying chars very cheap and Extract the skill points for Injectors and selling them.
Today-¦s worth of a character is a little bit harder to figure out, now it is how many PLEX you need to buy to exchange them in the NES store to get enough Extractors and then the value of ISK you can get from the Injectors after selling them, but to say that direct, don't do it, your char is worth more!
!!! A character is not only worth the Skill Extractor/Injector value !!!
Maybe you was reading about the fact you are not getting 500k SP on top when you reach a certain lvl of SP and you inject another Skill Injector, i made a little sheet for my self i would like to share this with everybody: Spreadsheet Extractor/Injector SP list This spreadsheet shows a few things you maybe interested on Till today it is not possible to call prices via api in from Citadel Sell Orders, this is hopefully changing in the future, so be aware about the fact you see prices from The Forge Stations and not from the Citadel in Perimeter where most of the Skill Injectors get sold. If you want accurate numbers then you have to watch the Perimeter market and do your own math.
Let me know if i can help you, i do it for free but i take donations if you like Maybe you are not receiving a message instant so please be patient
I make offers not more not less!
If you want to sell your char for the Extractor / Injector value take a look in the link below before you sell to one of the Char Trader´s:
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:07:09 -
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I make offers not more not less!
If you want to sell your char for the Extractor / Injector value take a look in the link below before you sell to one of the Char Trader´s:
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:07:57 -
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I make offers not more not less!
If you want to sell your char for the Extractor / Injector value take a look in the link below before you sell to one of the Char Trader´s:
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
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Wolf Mayoris
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2016.12.31 02:29:13 -
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I definitely understand why you are getting harassed. Keep up with the good work. Honesty is everything, and the way you explain your bid/char value is waaaaay different. |
Anabel Barante
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.01 08:39:10 -
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Thank you for these tips |
Audentes
Psychotic Dropbears
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Posted - 2017.01.02 03:35:10 -
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While I do agree some characters are worth a lot more then they go for, character trading is a buyers market.
Toons will only sell for what people are prepared to buy it for.
A rule of thumb I use for a starting bid should be what the extract price + 2 PLEX is. Anything over that price is profit made from selling a Toon. Unless your character has a lot of other value, People are not really willing to go over the original bid value, So while telling someone there character is worth 30B more then the extract cost, People are not willing to spend much over that value, Let alone how much it would cost to inject there own toon.
I thank you for spreading the truths of character trading, it can create a more stable market. |
Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.02 06:12:48 -
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Quote:While I do agree some characters are worth a lot more then they go for, character trading is a buyers market.
Toons will only sell for what people are prepared to buy it for.
And right here i have to tell you this is wrong because it should be a seller market as first point and second point is, with the introduction of Extractors many people saw they can take advantage from it to calculate only what trade on the market and this is created by super rich people who are able to make a quick trade with this money.
Almost ignored is here that a char over 5m SP has not the same benefit from injecting skills anymore, and this is multiplyed per Injector and the burned SP, and this is what people not count because the speed where the character market is running at the moment with a few char traders who are able to invest hundreds of billions and make a quick profit this way have made it normal this way, but sellers should understand this is wrong and cost a lot of worth from a char.
Take a look above in the example math, a char with 105m SP and 78b Extractor value is getting sold for this value because the traders including me created this kind of normality. This char should get sold somewhere between 78b and 132b because the difference is what someone has burned when he is trying to bring a char up to the same SP value, this should be realized in my opinion! Plus Skill Books and other things an existing char already has.
Quote:A rule of thumb I use for a starting bid should be what the extract price + 2 PLEX is. Anything over that price is profit made from selling a Toon. Unless your character has a lot of other value, People are not really willing to go over the original bid value, So while telling someone there character is worth 30B more then the extract cost, People are not willing to spend much over that value, Let alone how much it would cost to inject there own toon.
This is also discusting, when someone is selling a char, then he should have profit and the profit is measured by supply, demand and offers, at the moment we have a character market wich is only runed by supply and the traders take advantage of what was created over the last couple months from them with low offers on the easiest measurable thing, Extraction.
People who are not willing to measure a toon over the extraction value should become advice and this is why i do this now.
I think when every seller is limiting his lowest line on a char on let us say 50% from what is between extractor value and the real worth, then we can have a way better character market as we have now with riches who have ruined the market.
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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IChooseYou
Tradors'R'us IChooseYou Holdings
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Posted - 2017.01.02 07:40:00 -
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A lot of what you say is true. Some things are false - like saying that I somehow harassed you (I would love to see the proof of how seven different character traders harassed you). In any event, welcome to the character trading business - for which I note you have never offered to pay over extraction value - despite saying that the characters are always worth more :p
Buying all pilots at the best prices out there!
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Audentes
Psychotic Dropbears
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Posted - 2017.01.02 08:01:35 -
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Its an Eve market.
The new system has given us an even easier way to calculate character value or sell our toons SP. If people wish to sell below this value, its there own fault. If your selling a character even with research you would know of skill extractors and would be able to calculate value.
The current system doesn't need a change or people to be informed. We now have a simple, easy calc we can run to determine value. People can buy or sell at whatever price they want.
Marissa Malukker, what is it your exactly want to achieve? I agree as a trader, some characters should be sold for more but at the same time, its like every other market.
Auds |
Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:20:32 -
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IChooseYou wrote:A lot of what you say is true. Some things are false - like saying that I somehow harassed you (I would love to see the proof of how seven different character traders harassed you). In any event, welcome to the character trading business - for which I note you have never offered to pay over extraction value - despite saying that the characters are always worth more :p
Learn to read...
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.02 23:24:47 -
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Audentes wrote:Its an Eve market.
The new system has given us an even easier way to calculate character value or sell our toons SP. If people wish to sell below this value, its there own fault. If your selling a character even with research you would know of skill extractors and would be able to calculate value.
The current system doesn't need a change or people to be informed. We now have a simple, easy calc we can run to determine value. People can buy or sell at whatever price they want.
Marissa Malukker, what is it your exactly want to achieve? I agree as a trader, some characters should be sold for more but at the same time, its like every other market.
Auds
Absolut ok that you are not ok at all, it's understandable a char trader is writing what you do, you only want the profit. My achievements are all sellers i am able to advice if they want this.
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Galadriel Oakenshield
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.05 10:18:03 -
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Thanks for the time taken for the info |
Bruce Jensen
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.06 10:01:12 -
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good appraiser , every little infos about the why and how to is explained this is the place to make the most of the character you sell
+1
regards |
Apocalypse's Fighter
Brutor tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.06 11:18:07 -
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Great service! +1 |
Miss 1500
Dilithium Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:11:03 -
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I'm a little confused here. In your example you value a 70 million SP character at 135 billion? That seem wildly inaccurate. |
Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:13:28 -
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Miss 1500 wrote:I'm a little confused here. In your example you value a 70 million SP character at 135 billion? That seem wildly inaccurate.
Not 70m, its a 105m SP toon...
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Miss 1500
Dilithium Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:29:07 -
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Okay so checking the bazaar scraper on pilots sold at 100-130 million SP.
http://www.evecharactersearch.com/?ft1=sp&op1=ge&sp1=100
in billions what they sold for 90 85 86 85 90 80
How do you account for an average overestimation of some 50 billion isk? |
Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:35:24 -
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Maybe you should read the complete thread before you ask this because its all explained.
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Miss 1500
Dilithium Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.08 16:47:33 -
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Okay so 130 billion is not the estimated value of pilot is not an actual example of you estimation of a pilots value?
I mean there is certainly a lot of data. Even added bonuses for pilot age but the end result is just enormously off the mark.
Especially for an example showcasing your talents. |
Goaty McGoatface
Simply Wild. V I N D I C A T I O N
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Posted - 2017.01.09 12:10:24 -
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Goaty_McGoatface |
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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:01:13 -
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Miss 1500 wrote:Okay so 130 billion is not the estimated value of the pilot. its just an actual example of you estimation of a pilots value?
I mean there is certainly a lot of data. Even added bonuses for pilot age but the end result is just enormously off the mark.
Especially for an example showcasing your talents.
Not sure if you try to troll but my explanations are detailed and i believe it's just about the sellers to understand a char is worth more then the extractor value.
My example shows, when someone is injecting a char to a certain sp amount then he is also wasting sp and isk and this is the sum you "can" add as worth on top, its not meaning the chars should get sold for, but it should give a view into the big misstake people make when they just believe char traders and the offers for just extractor value.
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:05:00 -
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Goaty McGoatface wrote:http://eveboard.com/pilot/Goaty_McGoatface
You got mail
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Goaty McGoatface
Simply Wild. V I N D I C A T I O N
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:42:56 -
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Marissa Malukker wrote:Goaty McGoatface wrote:http://eveboard.com/pilot/Goaty_McGoatface You got mail
good clean informative brake down of skills , skill books and other impotent information which should aid anyone selling along with a decent offer for the char , though disagree as I think I have a good name :P
thanks for the assistance mate , keep up the god work . |
Xelhua
Eyes In The Dark Distant Origins
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Posted - 2017.01.12 01:05:21 -
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Very well researched advice. This won't be the first toon I've sold but with the new skill injectors and extractors it's confusing to know where to start. I had an idea what this toon was worth and at least I was in the ballpark (although it was the lower end) on how much she is actually worth.
Marissa Malukker and I evemailed back and forth a couple of times and I was impressed that she/he (i'm leaning towards "he" since 99% of female toons in this game are really guys) took the time to talk and explain things a little further in detail.
I would recommend this appraisal service to anyone who is thinking of selling a toon, it really takes the guesswork out of the process.
Thanks again!!! |
Scarlet Intelis
DerpSquad
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Posted - 2017.01.12 20:10:08 -
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http://eveboard.com/pilot/Scarlet_Intelis |
Slaughter One
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.12 22:16:25 -
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Excellent breakdown including extractors and injectors for an old player returning after 7 years inactivity. Nice to know what range to be looking in for a sale.
Excellent response rate and a friendly service. |
Pia Sweet
Deep Space Exploration.
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Posted - 2017.01.12 22:37:46 -
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Great advice, and fair too
-P |
Jenaveve Valenti
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.13 03:02:30 -
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evemailed you with my eveboard, looking forward to your reply |
Marissa Malukker
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Posted - 2017.01.13 10:10:49 -
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Jenaveve Valenti wrote:evemailed you with my eveboard, looking forward to your reply
You got mail
G£¦G£¦G£¦ Marissa´s - Character Appraisal Lounge G£¦G£¦G£¦
HOW TO SELL CHARs FOR MAX PROFIT
I make offers not more not less!
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Jenaveve Valenti
ElitistOps Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2017.01.13 11:50:16 -
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I got a prompt and fair valuation. The breakdown was detailed and made sense and is more than just a simply raw valuation based on what you can make stripping a character for parts. I'm confident that when I'm ready to sell I can sell Jenaveve to the right buyer for a solid value.
Thank you for your service. |
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