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HadleysHope
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:43:40 -
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Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit.
I mean I guess if we have to buy them then fair enough but from what I have read so far these permits can be cancelled if you exhibit 'bot-aspirant' behavior (which apparently I did). I immediately tried to warp out but im flying a mining barge so....
Anyways, I get that being jumped is part of the game so is it worth buying a permit if it can be cancelled via a spurious loophole. What do you fine people do? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1818
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:46:27 -
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They are extorting you. Just tank your mining barge to make yourself a much less of an attractive target to dessie gankers. If they try bumping, move that darn ship and orbit a rock.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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HadleysHope
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:48:46 -
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Appreciated. Thanks for that. |
Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.30 02:49:32 -
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Almost always its a scam - and many groups that give out permits will just attack the people that buy them anyway. Save your money and just fly smarter. |
Pix Severus
Empty You
5565
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Posted - 2016.12.30 03:12:54 -
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If you buy a mining permit, actually read the Code, and follow what it teaches, you will never lose a ship in highsec again.
MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - Dec 28 2016 - Vocal Local 4
MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
43
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Posted - 2016.12.30 03:16:30 -
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No it's not a thing. Don't buy one. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1286
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Posted - 2016.12.30 03:25:25 -
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It certainly is a thing. |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
42
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Posted - 2016.12.30 04:08:52 -
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Pix Severus wrote:If you buy a mining permit, actually read the Code and follow what it teaches, you will never lose a mining ship in highsec again.
1. Your an idiot 2. You cannot guarantee that ships will never be lost. CODE isn't the only threat, so, unless that permit is also paying for protection than it is worthless. 3. Paying for people not to attack you is generally not a good policy. Especially when they might just shoot you anyway. 4. Paying ISK to CODE is indulging their fantasy of actually expressing dominion in New Eden. 5. See point 1.
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Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
906
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Posted - 2016.12.30 04:23:34 -
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Oh dear.
@lunettelulu7
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Pix Severus
Empty You
5566
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Posted - 2016.12.30 04:37:32 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:1. Your an idiot
That's You're, not your.
Learn to speak English before you call other people idiots.
MTU Hunter: Latest Entry - Dec 28 2016 - Vocal Local 4
MTU Hunting 101: Comprehensive Guide
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19842
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Posted - 2016.12.30 04:38:38 -
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Bahaha.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3035
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Posted - 2016.12.30 04:46:58 -
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The mining permit is only part of following the New Halaima Code of Conduct. It is absolutely required for you to legally mine in New Order territory, but it isn't a license to bot or mine in a bot-aspirant fashion. You still need to respect the other rules which are there not only for the miner's own good, but the good of highsec in general.
There are thousands of miners who have bought a mining permit and follow the Code and thus mine unmolested in highsec. In fact, there is not a single case of a permit holder mining in a compliant manner ever losing their ship to gankers.
You can pay the ludicrously low permit fee (10M/ISK per year? Seriously who considers that more than pocket change?) and mine in a compliant fashion knowing you are on the side of good guys, or you can declare yourself a rebel and be just another target for New Order agents. The choice is yours really. Either way the Code wins as it always does.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
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Posted - 2016.12.30 05:02:34 -
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I have always found that trusting in the good nature of anyone - especially in Eve is a terrible idea. Mine with one eye on local and d-scan - you will be just fine. CODE and the dozens of other organisations that try to set us scams can't protect you against all of the different groups that Gank. So unless you plan on buying permits for all, save your money and if it gets that bad, give that same money to some mercenaries to war dec them on your behalf. |
Amanda Creire-Geng
University of Caille Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.12.30 05:11:20 -
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HadleysHope wrote:Anyways, I get that being jumped is part of the game so is it worth buying a permit if it can be cancelled via a spurious loophole. What do you fine people do?
Set CODE and other known suicide gankers to red standings, then mine in sparsely populated systems with a well tanked ship, and keep an eye on local. If it looks like they're bringing in the heavy guns, you just warp to station and go do something else for a while.
Or, since you're gonna be watching local like a hawk, just mine in low-sec and take advantage of the more profitable ores there, assuming you can handle the logistics. Gneiss often spawns in anomaly sites and is nearly twice as worth anything you can mine in high-sec, and if you pick the right system you'll be getting maybe one possibly hostile local every couple hours at most.
But whatever you do, don't waste money on a permit. Those corps are full of people with a very loose interpretation of what their own rules mean, and will happily bend them to justify a gank if convenient at the time. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2018
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Posted - 2016.12.30 05:41:35 -
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HadleysHope wrote:Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit. - returns after long hiatus - first thing to do - mine - uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank) - gets suicided - comes to forums talking about New Order
.... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58031
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Posted - 2016.12.30 06:02:04 -
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CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Abyss Azizora
DODGING
179
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Posted - 2016.12.30 06:04:22 -
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Just properly tank your barge/orca and pay attention when mining, and never worry about this again. Don't buy anything, it's just a simple extortion scam, and wouldn't be honored anyway even if you bought it. (Just like any ransom demand in eve.)
CODE used to be a very useful organization vastly reducing the mining bots in eve, hell I used to donate isk/ships and a catalyst alt to them to keep up the good fight, but these days it's just a miner ganking corp in general. |
Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
976
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Posted - 2016.12.30 06:28:12 -
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Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.
Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail? |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
45
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Posted - 2016.12.30 06:59:29 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol. |
Yolandar
I Like Big Rocks
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Posted - 2016.12.30 07:09:29 -
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I use anti-botaspirant, unscented. Keeps me feeling fresh after a long day in the belts. |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58033
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Posted - 2016.12.30 07:09:34 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.
Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?
Maybe this will clear things up for you ........................
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
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Posted - 2016.12.30 08:05:21 -
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Black Pedro wrote:The mining permit is only part of following the New Halaima Code of Conduct. It is absolutely required for you to legally mine in New Order territory, but it isn't a license to bot or mine in a bot-aspirant fashion. You still need to respect the other rules which are there not only for the miner's own good, but the good of highsec in general.
The truth is hidden some where in here.
They not only require you to follow their rules (which are quire reasonable), but also to pay the "permit-fee". Now the catch is: If you are abiding by the rules, you won't need a permit because you are safe enough. If you do not follow the rules, no permit will protect you.
So fly a tanked ship, be at your keyboard, set CODE. to red and watch local. |
Wojciech Dziuk
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.12.30 08:19:30 -
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You have many choices depends on your individual preferences:
1. If you want to mine semi-afk you cannot use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver. Only Procurer or Skiff because it have enough tank. Gankers always attack easiest targets so you're pretty safe in your procurer. Google "Procurer tank fit". 2. If you want to mine and look on screen all the time you can use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver, BUT: a) Go to zkillboard, check your system and other close systems in region. b) Check who is ganking there (usually). c) Add their corps with terrible standings to contacts. d) Check in which hour they usually play. In my mining systems only 3 groups ganks. One group can be paid&follow the rules, second group is ganking every day the same hours, so I can change my Covetors to Procurers when they are starting to hunt, and last group I just watch local 100% of the time (mining on 3 accounts). It's still dangerous to mine with other ships then Procs or Skiffs, but you can minimize the risk.
Better then crying on gankers thing on this: more ganks->less miners/afk miners->less minerals->higher prices for you. If you want to mine afk get an Orca:D |
Josef Djugashvilis
3513
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Posted - 2016.12.30 08:36:55 -
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Of all the self-promoting groups in the game, CODE are the only one I find creepy.
It is not that I hold any form of religious belief - I consider all religions to be pretty much equally silly.
I get that they do the whole James aged 13 and a bit (the only serious rival to mittens for the biggest ego in the game) and the semi-religious thing for fun, but I just find them creepy.
Any one who is daft enough to buy a mining permit from them deserves to be treated as the idiots they are.
This is not a signature.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
619
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Posted - 2016.12.30 08:53:56 -
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As long as CODE don't jettison miners corpses at gates as a warnings I don't see the problem. Content is content.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
If you need a scout mail me.
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2644
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Posted - 2016.12.30 09:13:44 -
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OP please use a Procurer and fit for tank and refuse to pay them any extortion money. They don't have the numbers to kill a properly tanked Procurer let alone a Skiff most of the time, very rarely do they up their game for those challenges...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
Blocked: Teckos Pech, Sonya Corvinus, baltec1, Shae Tadaruwa, Wander Prian
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Geronimo McVain
EVE University Ivy League
280
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Posted - 2016.12.30 09:35:39 -
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The Code isn't bad: If you follow it you are save from CODE and other gankers. They just wrote down the way people should act in Eve to be safe and now want to charge extortion money. So follow the Code and there is no reason to pay for protection from CODE cause they will find a loophole in the Code to kill you anyway. If they, or anyone else, can kill you, you violated the Code anyway. Just a good advice: create your own jump marks in Belts far away from the "normal" jump in. That will give you the time to get away. |
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:06:53 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
Hello DeMichael. You must be Crimson from embarrassment at your less-than-impressive use of the term 'Jihad'. In its literal and Arabic sense, I take Jihad simply to mean any kind of struggle waged against an opponent. A better word might be 'striving'. As a technical term, there are 2 kinds of Jihad; the so-called Lesser Jihad (striving against others), and the 'Greater Jihad'. This latter is the striving against one's own 'demons'. The word has some of the original connotation of the German word 'Kampf', but is given an extra dimension by the historical context, indicated above.
Hope that helps.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1822
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:12:11 -
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If CODE ever talks to you, remember that they are basically in-game organised criminals e.g. the Mafia or the gangs of Chicago and respond accordingly.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:22:03 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:They are extorting you. Just tank your mining barge to make yourself a much less of an attractive target to dessie gankers. If they try bumping, move that darn ship and orbit a rock.
Bumping an orbiting ship is just one of the many skills exhibited by our members. The (relatively) new mobility afforded by the use of the arrow keys is a welcome addition to the bumping toolbox, but James 315 was bumping orbiting barges years ago.
Most miners who use the orbiting technique, do so in the mistaken supposition that they can thereby slope off and safely spend some time AFK . Wrong.
It's a relatively straightforward matter of hand-eye co-ordination to predict the path of an orbiting vessel, and to intercept it at just the right moment. And if you fail? Why, there will be many opportunities to get it right. That miner will have forgotten all about the game the moment his attention is wrested from the rocks.
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