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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:23:56 -
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Sark Nosha wrote:I have always found that trusting in the good nature of anyone - especially in Eve is a terrible idea. Mine with one eye on local and d-scan - you will be just fine. CODE and the dozens of other organisations that try to set us scams can't protect you against all of the different groups that Gank. So unless you plan on buying permits for all, save your money and if it gets that bad, give that same money to some mercenaries to war dec them on your behalf.
Wardec an Alliance made up of -10's? Whatever for?
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:30:43 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol.
No, Matthias, you're still in the same place. Welcome back! Regrettably, it's the miners and carebears on the receiving end of our generosity who are most likely to use the sort of language referred to by DMC. Our Agents are always polite, both because it's good manners and because we know that folks like La Crimson are just looking for any excuse to go on a suck-up ego trip.
Look at the posts in this thread, for example. You'll see that all the supporters of the New Order of Highsec, whether formally affiliated or not, use standard, usually well-formed English to express themselves. Our detractors, sometimes not....
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:46:27 -
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Wojciech Dziuk wrote:
1. If you want to mine semi-afk you cannot use Covetor/Hulk/Mackinaw/Retriver. Only Procurer or Skiff
I'm going to stop you right there Wojciech.
If you navigate to the following link and scroll down the page a bit, you'll find a list of Skiffs and other stuff ganked over 2 days by Lawrence Lawton and the gang.
Skiff Solutions, by the CODE. Alliance
There is no 100% effective way of miners (and others) avoiding their civic responsibilities if they live in,work in or visit James 315 space (Highsec). You can even ship-spin in a Code-compliant manner if you make sure your activities are related to the Code. It's that simple.
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1364
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:48:19 -
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March rabbit wrote:HadleysHope wrote:Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit. - returns after long hiatus - first thing to do - mine - uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank) - gets suicided - comes to forums talking about New Order .... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself?
OKay here's a story about CODE. Once we were roaming around in assault frigs in lowsec and a CODE dude showed up in local. He was silent the entire time as we laughed in comms about how impotent he is as he burned back to gate and left local.
The end.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 10:57:09 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:If CODE ever talks to you, remember that they are basically in-game organised criminals e.g. the Mafia or the gangs of Chicago and respond accordingly.
i.e. turn us into eminently bankable American anti-heroes of a perennially popular cinematic and literary sub-cultural genre?
I would!
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
45
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:00:01 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.
Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?
Hard thought this may seem to believe. There are some here wo do not subscribe to those commandments - and therefore do not feel obliged to pay the penalties or permits which it requires. |
Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
227
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:01:04 -
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Yang Aurilen wrote:March rabbit wrote:HadleysHope wrote:Just returned to the game after a lonngg time away and got blown up by a guy who mailed me saying he'd done it because I didnt have a mining permit. - returns after long hiatus - first thing to do - mine - uses badly fitted mining barge (no tank) - gets suicided - comes to forums talking about New Order .... why it is almost always the same story? Can't you guys create another one to remind about yourself? OKay here's a story about CODE. Once we were roaming around in assault frigs in lowsec and a CODE dude showed up in local. He was silent the entire time as we laughed in comms about how impotent he is as he burned back to gate and left local. The end.
Sounds like you had a narrow escape there!
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3038
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:24:14 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:Tisiphone Dira wrote:Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.
Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail? Hard thought this may seem to believe. There are some here wo do not subscribe to those commandments - and therefore do not feel obliged to pay the penalties or permits which it requires. The great thing about this game is that whether you feel obliged or not, you will explode all the same.
Let's take a step back here: the Code is the distilled essence of emergent gameplay. It is a document designed to spark content by forcing players to choose a side. You are free to choose whichever side you want based on whatever notions you hold as befits a sandbox game like Eve, but a side you must choose. CCP has given you more than enough tools to defend yourself if you choose to play the game as a subversive rebel, but equally viable is deciding to support the New Order and get yourself a permit and mine compliantly. Many miners choose this and cheerfully buy into the fun. But whatever you choose, you have to accept the consequences of your actions.
I welcome back the OP, but honestly this is old hat by now. Highsec is under the jurisdiction of James 315 now and has been for over 4 years and while you can choose to not buy a permit, our agents have done a great job cleaning up highsec and forcing highsec miners to follow the Code whether they consent or not. Autopiloting is all but unheard of now while highsec miners have overwhelmingly retreated to Skiffs and Procurers as the Code commands. Play by our rules or you risk ending up another statistic.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
Why Do They Gank?
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
739
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:28:25 -
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I find the whole CODE thing silly, but the fun kind of silly. Like, going to a carnival and getting your face painted by an artist sort of silly.
I've ganked miners, but I didn't cite any reason beyond "because I can". I've never done it to upset someone, promote or disrupt some behavior, generate a profit, or anything like that. I'm not in it for the tears either. - one guy I ganked complained that he couldn't afford a better DCU (he had a meta 0, not even a named one), so I gave him 10 mil to replace his ship and buy better equipment.
I like it as a change of pace and a feat of discipline. Perhaps yes, a gank is down to equations, but there's still a lot of variables and a lot that can go wrong. Trying to track down idle miners, trying to find them in systems with a low enough security rating to give you time to pull off the gank, trying to scan them without them noticing or getting suspicious, calculating the EHP of their fit, clandestinely making bookmarks, try to warp in and stick the landing perfectly and hope the guy hasn't moved in the meantime...it's a lot of hassle and there's a reason I do it so very infrequently. Heck the only reason I got my sec status so low isn't from ganking a lot; it's from accidentally podding a guy.
So citing a "code of conduct" seems entirely superfluous to me. But I won't frown upon people doing their RP thing; it's their game and their way to have fun. My fun is being able to pull it off when I have the patience for it.
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Izchadie
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
22
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:45:55 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:Questioning the validity of the New Order's permits is itself a violation of the commandments of The Code.
Is this really a route you wish to travel? Or can I expect 10m and an apology in the mail?
Now I know how the female "IT" looks like I'l buy permit from you anytime ma'am. Just don't come out of the closet! |
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58038
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Posted - 2016.12.30 11:49:24 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
Hello DeMichael. You must be Crimson from embarrassment at your less-than-impressive use of the term 'Jihad'. In its literal and Arabic sense, I take Jihad simply to mean any kind of struggle waged against an opponent. A better word might be 'striving'. As a technical term, there are 2 kinds of Jihad; the so-called Lesser Jihad (striving against others), and the 'Greater Jihad'. This latter is the striving against one's own 'demons'. The word has some of the original connotation of the German word 'Kampf', but is given an extra dimension by the historical context, indicated above. Hope that helps. Nope. Doesn't help but I will give you credit for doing a nice play on my name. Also good job of researching the meaning of the word 'Jihad' and posting it from Wikipedia.
According to the Middle East Forum, the term Jihad in many contexts means "fighting" even though there are other words in Arabic that are used more often to portray the act of making war, such as qital or harb. In the Qur'an and in later Muslim usage, Jihad is commonly followed by the expression "fi sabil Illah", meaning "in the path of God."
After the Qur'an, the Hadith (collection of writings about the sayings and acts of the prophet) is the second most important source of Islamic law (Shari'a). In Hadith collections, Jihad means "armed action".
Anyway, the term is fitting and if you don't like it, well .................
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58038
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:00:04 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:CODE is a terrorist organization comprised of multiple cells that spread racist propaganda in an attempt to strong-arm ISK from law abiding citizens of New Eden. They are nothing more than a fanatical Jihad gang indulging in Racketeering, Extortion, Harassment and Suicide Ganking. They do not control or own any Sovereignty. Purchasing a Mining Permit will not protect you from being attacked anywhere and at anytime.
DMC
That seems like a bit of hyperbole. If they are really sending racist messages they and their mains should be banned if not muted for offensive language. Seems like a fairly simple thing to screenshot and report for unless I've been gone longer than I thought and people are allowed to say whatever they want now lol. Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.
Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27238
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:07:40 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.
Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
DMC Racism implies discrimination based upon one's race or ethnicity, miners are neither a race nor an ethnic group; ergo it's not racism.
While CODE. may indeed persecute people based upon their occupation and state of awareness, or lack thereof, it is by no means racist.
Throwing out socially charged words such as racist does nobody any favours, it merely shows your ignorance.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1488
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:13:16 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.
Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others. DMC
To discriminate somone because of his/her profession is not racism but rankism or classism. There is a political correct word for nearly everything
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IcemanNeo
Alien Sky Project
0
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:19:31 -
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If you buy a permit, you are essentially handing over ISK to give to someone else to build ships. Which means, someone has to mine ore. That ore has to be reprocessed. So on and so forth. If you were to buy a permit from CODE, you are actually making the Economy of EVE actually work.
Making the economy work not just in one way, but three. You and your CODE Permit Officer, and the capsuleer that is building ships. |
Thursday Park-Laine
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
53
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:33:20 -
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10 Mil. is cheap. Just buy it, read the Code, don't AFK mine and tell us if it worked out for you. |
Sequester Risalo
Semiki Minerals and Missiles Company Ltd.
263
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:35:42 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote: Bumping an orbiting ship is just one of the many skills exhibited by our members. The (relatively) new mobility afforded by the use of the arrow keys is a welcome addition to the bumping toolbox, but James 315 was bumping orbiting barges years ago.
I never thought the Federal Navy Academy would engange in minerbumping as their main activity. Who are you talking about when you refer to "your" members? |
Salvos Rhoska
1784
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:45:07 -
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I got a whole roll of them. Useful for wiping.
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Memphis Baas
2609
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:49:26 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Learn to speak English before you call other people idiots.
Fun fact, the word is actually the same in many languages, so he does NOT, in fact, have to learn English. He can just say it and look like an idiot himself, and most of the international player base will know it, too.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1823
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:52:59 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:I find the whole CODE thing silly, but the fun kind of silly. Like, going to a carnival and getting your face painted by an artist sort of silly.
I've ganked miners, but I didn't cite any reason beyond "because I can". I've never done it to upset someone, promote or disrupt some behavior, generate a profit, or anything like that. I'm not in it for the tears either. - one guy I ganked complained that he couldn't afford a better DCU (he had a meta 0, not even a named one), so I gave him 10 mil to replace his ship and buy better equipment.
I like it as a change of pace and a feat of discipline. Perhaps yes, a gank is down to equations, but there's still a lot of variables and a lot that can go wrong. Trying to track down idle miners, trying to find them in systems with a low enough security rating to give you time to pull off the gank, trying to scan them without them noticing or getting suspicious, calculating the EHP of their fit, clandestinely making bookmarks, try to warp in and stick the landing perfectly and hope the guy hasn't moved in the meantime...it's a lot of hassle and there's a reason I do it so very infrequently. Heck the only reason I got my sec status so low isn't from ganking a lot; it's from accidentally podding a guy.
So citing a "code of conduct" seems entirely superfluous to me. But I won't frown upon people doing their RP thing; it's their game and their way to have fun. My fun is being able to pull it off when I have the patience for it.
That's CODE's way of generating drama and attention. By citing some bullshit code of conduct, they invite people who despise CODE to show up to decry them, upon which they will reply in just the right way to incite more outrage, and thus generating a crapton of attention to themselves and their activities, which is what they get off to.
Also, screw mining as a primary source of income.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Salvos Rhoska
1784
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:59:51 -
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CODE is like the Westboro Church.
Many people dont know this, but Westboro actually only has about 40 registered members. Puny even compared to the membership of many corps in EVE.
They are a tiny organisation, that has generated an enormous and completely disproportional media representation.
Their activities also do not break any laws. They just show up and hold signs some people find offensive.
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2016.12.30 12:59:53 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Nope. Doesn't help but I will give you credit for doing a nice play on my name. Also good job of researching the meaning of the word 'Jihad' and posting it from Wikipedia. According to the Middle East Forum, the term Jihad in many contexts means "fighting" even though there are other words in Arabic that are used more often to portray the act of making war, such as qital or harb. In the Qur'an and in later Muslim usage, Jihad is commonly followed by the expression "fi sabil Illah", meaning "in the path of God." After the Qur'an, the Hadith (collection of writings about the sayings and acts of the prophet) is the second most important source of Islamic law (Shari'a). In Hadith collections, Jihad means "armed action". Anyway, the term is fitting and if you don't like it, well .................DMC
You're very kind in helping me out there! This was one topic for which I didn't need recourse to Wikipedia (or indeed the Middle East Forum - whatever that is).
But we don't want to derail this useful thread with our private discussion. I was simply pointing out that you used the term rather loosely and, if I may say so, insultingly. The New Order of Highsec is not a terrorist organisation. It governs beneficently, and by consent.
Peace! Shalom! Salam!
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Khan Wrenth
Ore Oppression Prevention and Salvation
739
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:06:54 -
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Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Shalom! Salam!
Isn't that a type of skiing?
Let's discuss overhauling the way we get intel in EvE.
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:10:18 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote: their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.
DMC
Neither miners nor suicide-gankers for the New Order constitute a 'race'. 'Racism' cannot therefore be used to describe what you believe is happening.
Trying to force a square peg into a round hole is likely to lead to disappointment - and failure.
As for the following sentence, I'm too knackered to bother explaining these concepts to you. You do seem rather impotently belligerent. |
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
360
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:16:52 -
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Save your space bucks and find a quieter system to mine.
GÖ¬ They'll always be bloodclaws to me GÖ½
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Sasha Nemtsov
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
237
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:17:14 -
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Sequester Risalo wrote: I never thought the Federal Navy Academy would engange in minerbumping as their main activity. Who are you talking about when you refer to "your" members?
Apologies, Sequester. I'm a member of the New Order of Highsec, which is the organisation set up by James 315. It supports and enforces all Code-based activities across Highsec. The CODE. Alliance also exists under the banner of the New Order; of that Alliance I am not a member. So, my members are 'my fellow members' across the broad spectrum of supporters.
Despite the NPC Corp affiliation, this character is my Main.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
23142
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:22:04 -
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Khan Wrenth wrote:Sasha Nemtsov wrote:Shalom! Salam!
Isn't that a type of skiing? Maybe he had slalom on mind. I have heard about that from fellow Caldari crewmember.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
2645
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:24:20 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:Never said they use offensive language but their doctrine is definitely Racist towards players who engage in Mining. They also discriminate and persecute them as well.
Racist is a person who believes that one's own racial group is superior or that a particular racial group is inferior to the others.
DMC Racism implies discrimination based upon one's race or ethnicity, miners are neither a race nor an ethnic group; ergo it's not racism. While CODE. may indeed persecute people based upon their occupation and state of awareness, or lack thereof, it is by no means racist. Throwing out socially charged words such as racist does nobody any favours, it merely shows your ignorance.
Minerphobia then...
When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.
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Professor Sternu Tarantoga
The Futurological Congress
49
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Posted - 2016.12.30 13:45:55 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
Minerphobia then...
You can translate that as "hating miners" or " beeing afraid of miners". I would rather say CODE. is kind of obsessed with miners. That would be "minermania" then. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
1823
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Posted - 2016.12.30 14:13:15 -
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Lfod Shi wrote:Save your space bucks and find a quieter system to mine.
And never go full AFK. Check the local, d-scan, watch for suspicious catalysts and get ready to move the ship at a moment's notice. Tank the barge too, while at it. If truly paranoid, stay away from any 0.5 high sec systems.
Also, fly procurers or skiffs, for they are badass.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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