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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.01.02 18:40:43 -
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The thing with PI is that everybody accepted its like mining afk for resources on planets, without combat or anything like that. In grand scheme of EVE it is only one facet of a diamond, not a jewel in its own.
But developing it into a jevel, encapsulating all 4X facets into it, would not really call for a need to make more assets, it would be more like supervising from afar still.
Only WIS would change things considerably. And similarly to Mass Efect it could look then.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3004
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Posted - 2017.01.03 01:50:02 -
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Rain6637 wrote:How much energy compared to protecting the ship from ten torpedoes Actually more. Did you know that a skyscraper withstands more net force from a gust of wind than it does from a Boeing 747 hitting it dead-on? The reason the plane can break the walls that the wind can't is that the energy from the plane impact is focused on one small area rather than evenly distributed.
Shields don't work like armor. They don't much care if the hit is evenly distributed or focused in one area. The energy is spent, the force is deflected. So basically it's easier to shield your ship from torpedoes than it is to shield it from air. Maybe a ship with enough flux coils could survive in the atmosphere by perma-running a shield booster, but other than that I don't see it happening.
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Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
23572
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Posted - 2017.01.03 09:46:47 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:tritanium oxide But it was not about tritanium but the compound build into crystaline structure of tritanium, not imparting its strength. As atmospheric gases have a smaller density than crystals of tritanium enriched with compounds, all the oxygen would get build into tritanium-compound-oxygen thin layer, on the surface. Oxygen would not penetrate past it, so the strength would not be imparted.
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
GëíGïüGëí GÖÑ
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.03 16:59:32 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:Reaver Glitterstim wrote:tritanium oxide But it was not about tritanium but the compound build into crystaline structure of tritanium, not impairing its strength. As atmospheric gases have a smaller density than crystals of tritanium enriched with compounds, all the oxygen would get build into tritanium-compound-oxygen thin layer, on the surface. Oxygen would not penetrate past it, so the strength would not be impaired. The problem is that tritanium oxide flakes off readily and won't stay on the hull. But like I said, you could paint the plates with a protective coating but it only protects it so long as the coating remains in place.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34718
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Posted - 2017.01.03 23:29:05 -
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Lore is written to deepen the backstory. Using it to say certain gameplay shouldn't happen is weaksauce and backwards.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
61
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Posted - 2017.01.03 23:54:48 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:Rain6637 wrote:Returning through the atmosphere from orbit is a lot faster than terminal velocity, but our ships would probably have a controlled descent under power and not experience those problems anyway. And shielding. If we can withstand the head of an antimatter explosion to our shields, we should be able to mitigate friction heat. Not even counting space elevators. It's incredibly inefficient for eve to be using launchpads like they do in pi colonies. How did all these people get off these planets in the first place. No reason planets can't have low orbit stations and space elevators and just take a trip down to the surface and vice versa. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
61
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Posted - 2017.01.03 23:59:51 -
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Reaver Glitterstim wrote:Rain6637 wrote:How much energy compared to protecting the ship from ten torpedoes Actually more. Did you know that a skyscraper withstands more net force from a gust of wind than it does from a Boeing 747 hitting it dead-on? The reason the plane can break the walls that the wind can't is that the energy from the plane impact is focused on one small area rather than evenly distributed. Shields don't work like armor. They don't much care if the hit is evenly distributed or focused in one area. The energy is spent, the force is deflected. So basically it's easier to shield your ship from torpedoes than it is to shield it from air. Maybe a ship with enough flux coils could survive in the atmosphere by perma-running a shield booster, but other than that I don't see it happening. Nana Skalski wrote:Lets say all ships now would have to get a protective compound built in the structures, to tie oxygen in protective layers around damaged elements. And this agent would even strengthen the durability of the elements. It doesn't work that way. Tritanium metal has a tensile strength nearly as high as diamond carbon, but a much higher shear strength due to its ability to flex and distribute energy across its structure. That's why tritanium armor plates are so large--larger pieces can distribute energy further and dissipate larger amounts of impact. But tritanium oxide is a soft and brittle compound that easily crumbles into powder. Carbide compounds such as Titanium Carbide and Tungsten Carbide are favorites for atmospheric armors as well as many of the structural elements in ships, but tritanium is both significantly more capable of withstanding impacts and far, far cheaper, thus it is the favorite for spacefaring ship armor and hull plating. You could coat the armor plating with one of the many compounds that don't react with oxygen or tritanium, but that would still not be safe to take into oxygen atmosphere. One tiny hull breach could take out the entire ship unless you have the tritanium armor plates separated from one another which greatly diminishes their ability to distribute the energy of impacts. In short, you just have to use stuff other than tritanium for atmospheric flight. It's not a very big sacrifice, but it's big enough that the corporations who design ships for space use don't feel like making that sacrifice. Maybe shuttles should be capable of atmospheric flight.
A skyscraper takes more force from air but stands stable. Takes damage from a focused plane hit. Shields fail against evenly distributed force but can withstand and easier to protect against torpedoes? Those both contradict each other. The shields would fall to a torpedo but withstand atmosphere. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.04 01:33:29 -
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Matthias Ancaladron wrote:A skyscraper takes more force from air but stands stable. Takes damage from a focused plane hit. Shields fail against evenly distributed force but can withstand and easier to protect against torpedoes? Those both contradict each other. The shields would fall to a torpedo but withstand atmosphere. No, the torpedoes deliver less energy than the atmosphere, just like the airplane delivers less energy than the wind. The tower falls to the airplane because it doesn't distribute energy. If shields didn't distribute energy, they would fall to either the atmosphere or the torpedoes. Fortunately for us, they do distribute energy and can thus withstand a torpedo.
The wind delivers far less force than full atmospheric pressure, and that's only if the ship is stationary. It would take a long time to get in and out of the atmosphere if the shields were only strong enough to withstand the ship moving 100m/s, and even that's almost enough to double the energy requirement to hold the shields up. These shields would have to be many times stronger than concrete reinforced with steel, which would put them into a strength range well above tritanium. But as we all know, shield tanks are softer than armor tanks.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34719
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Posted - 2017.01.04 02:31:02 -
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immobile jump portal generator on the surface \o/
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.04 02:38:26 -
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Rain6637 wrote:immobile jump portal generator on the surface \o/ ...that takes you to a hangar with an oxygen filtering shield. Inside the hangar the atmosphere is 72% nitrogen and 28% neon. The shield at the bay door would be very cheap to maintain.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Rain6637
NulzSec
34722
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Posted - 2017.01.04 02:40:23 -
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Well the Star Trek wiki says nothing about tritanium being reactive to oxygen so.
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President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3011
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Posted - 2017.01.04 03:03:58 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Well the Star Trek wiki says nothing about tritanium being reactive to oxygen so. Neither does the Master of Orion wiki, and in Master of Orion adamantium and neutronium aren't indestructible like they are in Marvel and Star Trek, respectively. These are fantasy materials that vary in properties by the franchise using them.
Voyager once landed on a planet with an atmosphere similar to Earth's. The Intrepid-class starship was built with the capability of landing because the engineers wanted it to be well-suited for long-range missions without refueling. It had a tritanium armor plating and the shields did not protect it from atmosphere or slow-moving objects.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3044
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:06:38 -
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Rain6637 wrote:Well the Star Trek wiki says nothing about tritanium being reactive to oxygen so.
In my very own sci-fi book, it says that Rain6637 is a dumb ass. Are we supposed to go by it or should we go by another one where you might not be labeled as such? |
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