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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
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Posted - 2016.12.31 21:25:57 -
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Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. I'm perfectly fine with CODE being in the game, and in many ways I can appreciate their "content creation". As I have found their killmails to produce some true gold. As a testament to the stupidity of many.
I am however unconvinced and quite willing to contest CODE's claims to jurisdiction over hisec - and in particular question both their requirement to buy a permit, and the effectiveness of said permit for preventing ganking by CODE membership. I find that CODE's claim to superiourity, to be rather smug and obnoxious.
Rather than seeking to eradicate "bot aspirant" gameplay, and multiboxing mechanics, they have instead become the chief instigators of such activities. Even worse, I see CODE's smug claims to invulnerability as defeating the very purpose for which it was created. If the purpose is indeed to teach the community of Eve that no-one is safe. Then perhaps the teachers need to be taught their own lesson.
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Galla Galantia
University of Caille Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2016.12.31 21:39:06 -
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It's just delusions of grandeur, never seen them, never cared. Get a few bully wanna bees, and a excuse like, we dont want you top play like this, this is better, we dont like your religion , this is better, etc... They should just say it like it is. We want to gang up on things to feel a sense of accomplishment, makes us feel important in a video game. The end. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1810
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Posted - 2016.12.31 21:47:27 -
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There are two things that you need to be aware of with regards to this: Role-playing and propaganda.
Politics in Eve is a lot like real world politics. You can believe nothing any group says. The more official the information the more questionable it is. Public comments made by those groups are specifically designed to create an intended perception. If the statement has anything to do with truth it is by pure coincidence as the comments were no designed to portray truth but instead to elicit a specific perception.
Again just like in the real world propaganda and posturing can lead to actual war. However in no way should you ever take propaganda at face value. |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
687
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Posted - 2016.12.31 21:47:58 -
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CODE. is classic protection racketeering. They're really selling "insurance" to protect you from them. In Eve this is a legitimate business practise as long as they are willing to accept the consequences of their actions - i.e. CONCORD will destroy them if they shoot at you without an active war.
CODE. serve a useful purpose as predators in a player driven economy. If there is no risk, the number of miners will grow to the point where the ore they harvest is worthless. If CODE. (and other ganking organizations) didn't exist, NPC's would need to provide that element of risk.
That said, it is a very small risk - you probably accept more risk on your morning commute to work. Like the morning commute, there are things you can do to make it safer. I ran a multibox mining fleet in Everyshore for several months with out any permits or any problem with CODE. As long as people insist on offering them high value, easy to kill targets, those of us flying low value hard to kill targets are reasonably safe.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
11286
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Posted - 2016.12.31 22:16:48 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. They have backers with deep pockets.
Some of those backers simply like the idea of wanton destruction. Others are funding CODE because the destruction of certain ships (that the backer's build and see) lines their pockets.
Marcus Binchiette wrote:I am however unconvinced and quite willing to contest CODE's claims to jurisdiction over hisec - and in particular question both their requirement to buy a permit, and the effectiveness of said permit for preventing ganking by CODE membership. I find that CODE's claim to superiourity, to be rather smug and obnoxious. What is "racketeering" and "extortion" Alex, for $200?
Marcus Binchiette wrote:I see CODE's smug claims to invulnerability as defeating the very purpose for which it was created. If the purpose is indeed to teach the community of Eve that no-one is safe. Then perhaps the teachers need to be taught their own lesson. What is "propaganda" Alex, for $500?
How did you Veterans start?
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
60
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Posted - 2016.12.31 22:25:42 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote:Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. They have backers with deep pockets. Some of those backers simply like the idea of wanton destruction. Others are funding CODE because the destruction of certain ships (that the backer's build and see) lines their pockets. Sorry I should have written more clearly. I mean, how can they persistently and doggedly claim to be the rulers of hisec and keep a straight face? The idea makes me want to burst out in laughter every time I read that tripe.
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ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors Escalating Entropy
11287
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Posted - 2016.12.31 22:35:55 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:ShahFluffers wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote:Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. They have backers with deep pockets. Some of those backers simply like the idea of wanton destruction. Others are funding CODE because the destruction of certain ships (that the backer's build and see) lines their pockets. Sorry I should have written more clearly. I mean, how can they persistently and doggedly claim to be the rulers of hisec and keep a straight face? The idea makes me want to burst out in laughter every time I read that tripe. Propaganda.
If you say something enough, no matter how false or ludicrous it is... people may believe you.
And you only need some people to believe you to incite fear and reaction.
How did you Veterans start?
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1810
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Posted - 2016.12.31 22:36:03 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote: Sorry I should have written more clearly. I mean, how can they persistently and doggedly claim to be the rulers of hisec and keep a straight face? The idea makes me want to burst out in laughter every time I read that tripe.
Oh so this was not a real question then. You just wanted to troll?
The NC Q&A is a troll free zone. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3050
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Posted - 2016.12.31 22:37:24 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote: Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. I'm perfectly fine with CODE being in the game, and in many ways I can appreciate their "content creation". As I have found their killmails to produce some true gold. As a testament to the stupidity of many.
I am however unconvinced and quite willing to contest CODE's claims to jurisdiction over hisec - and in particular question both their requirement to buy a permit, and the effectiveness of said permit for preventing ganking by CODE membership. I find that CODE's claim to superiourity, to be rather smug and obnoxious.
Rather than seeking to eradicate "bot aspirant" gameplay, and multiboxing mechanics, they have instead become the chief instigators of such activities. Even worse, I see CODE's smug claims to invulnerability as defeating the very purpose for which it was created. If the purpose is indeed to teach the community of Eve that no-one is safe. Then perhaps the teachers need to be taught their own lesson.
Someone else should teach them a lesson, huh? Players have been singing that tune for years yet none of them seem to be able to tear themselves off the teat of their ISK-making to do anything about it.
The reality is the Code always wins. It really does. James 315 could shut down his blog and the alliance could fold, but the core ideas of the Code are everlasting. They are basically the core ideas of Eve itself - you are not safe anywhere in the full-time sandbox that is New Eden - so you can say that the Code is a manifestation of the basic design of the game. There is also the fact that Eve is a game and thus you cannot really completely defeat any resolute enemy. Players can always retreat to safe station as well as store their assets there and much of the strength of a player organization is outside the game client in any case.
I really don't get why players think a perfectly safe highsec would at all be interesting nor why the endlessly go on about 'griefing' as if being attacked by another player in a PvP game is somehow against the rules. The game is built on conflict and thus there needs to be sides for stuff to actually happen. The New Order is one such colourful way to draw a line and define good guys and bad guys so content can be made.
As for the New Order claim of jurisdiction, you can judge for yourself: https://zkillboard.com/alliance/99002775/stats/
The CODE. Alliance explodes on order of a trillion ISK worth of stuff each month and has for years (and that doesn't include the many non-CODE. supporters). The alliance is currently ranked 4th in the amount of damage inflicted in their enemies and has at times been ranked first, exploding more things than the largest alliances in the game in some months. Certainly, the killboard stats are comparable with other sov-holding organizations, but it up to you to decide if that means they hold jurisdiction or not just like it is up to you to decide whether to buy a permit. I think though it is clear from the hundreds of thousands of ships that have been exploded by the New Order that the threat of being exploded if you don't buy a permit isn't an empty one.
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Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
1468
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Posted - 2016.12.31 23:13:49 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:
I am however unconvinced and quite willing to contest CODE's claims to jurisdiction over hisec - and in particular question both their requirement to buy a permit, and the effectiveness of said permit for preventing ganking by CODE membership. I find that CODE's claim to superiourity, to be rather smug and obnoxious.
To contest CODE's claims, you basically need to join a corp and declare war against Code. Have fun with it.
Also, CODE is notorious for blowing up ships that paid for permits and not bothering to apologize.
My choice of pronouns is based on your avatar. Even if I know what is behind the avatar.
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Fal Shepard
Vrtra Armamentarium
120
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Posted - 2017.01.01 00:36:59 -
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CODE has no jurisdiction any where in high sec, despite the permit they try to force on newbies, but really all you need is their killmail.
From the ashes of our defeat, we will be reborn. With these chains with which we are bound, we will become indivisible. To those who showed us no mercy, we will give no sympathy. For the flames that burn our cities, we will douse in injustice's blood
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1128
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Posted - 2017.01.01 04:47:38 -
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Another year A different verse They say if you mine You'll be in a hearse
Get six jumps from Jita Or four from Amaar Or new player systems They never go far
Minings required And mining is fun They feed on the stupid The new and the dumb
So go grab the Veldspar The pyro or prox And if the should threaten Then chop off their [content redacted]
This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.
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Tisiphone Dira
New Order Logistics CODE.
983
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Posted - 2017.01.01 07:23:55 -
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t is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane! |
Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
60
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Posted - 2017.01.01 07:50:28 -
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Tisiphone Dira wrote:it is always a temptation to an armed and agile nation To call upon a neighbour and to say: -- "We invaded you last night--we are quite prepared to fight, Unless you pay us cash to go away."
And that is called asking for Dane-geld, And the people who ask it explain That you've only to pay 'em the Dane-geld And then you'll get rid of the Dane!
But that is just the problem right there. When a person buys a "mining permit" they are, infact, buying a word. Yet if the giver of that word does not honour that word, or cannot be trusted to keep it, then that word is worthless and not worth the money paid to obtain it.
It inability of CODE to keep their word is the principal thing which is likely to undermine the profitability of their extortion. |
Skyweir Kinnison
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
366
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Posted - 2017.01.01 11:09:45 -
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You have been promoting your anti-ganking agenda in the IGS forum - where RP is perfectly acceptable, and have been challenged there in-character on your assumptions.
Posting this stuff in NCQ&A is pure trolling, and you should stop it.
Humanity has won its battle. Liberty now has a country.
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
60
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Posted - 2017.01.01 11:22:57 -
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Skyweir Kinnison wrote:You have been promoting your anti-ganking agenda in the IGS forum - where RP is perfectly acceptable, and have been challenged there in-character on your assumptions.
Posting this stuff in NCQ&A is pure trolling, and you should stop it.
Yes, and I'm sure CODE, and it's adherents have been challenged to cease their behaviours. So if they are unwilling to entertain those challenges, why should I entertain yours? Have you not considered that what you call trolling is infact dialogue between combative persons, and intended to elicit a certain response? |
Memphis Baas
2624
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Posted - 2017.01.01 11:49:55 -
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It's against the rules of this particular newbie forum to troll, and even to provide false or disguised information to newbies. So however noble your intentions may be, he can simply flag your post and ISD Max Trix will be by shortly to lock this thread or move it to General Discussion.
Hopefully he does that before I have to suffer seeing a link to their stupid website. |
Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
411
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Posted - 2017.01.01 16:03:01 -
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It's a role playing game, and they role play quite well. CODE is by far the most well known role playing group in Eve. It's very rare they break character, although some are just much better at it than others.
But it's exactly the kind of thing Eve needs. It's content creation, it''s conflict, it's big personalities in game, it's controversy, it's entire ad campaigns for the game that the devs didn't have to work a minute on. Eve needs bad guys. I was a low sec pirate for awhile long before CODE was a thing, typed YARRR in local and got much the same vitriol back in local. But if it wasn't for me, that guy would have had nothing to do but click on the next gate in his route. With my autocannons aimed at him he suddenly had choices to make, risk and reward to balance, and very little time to do it. Then, he had a reason to revisit the market for a new ship, a reason to go back out and make a buck. Cycle of life, Simba.
More importantly, I played the bad guy and it gave players someone to hate, someone to trash talk on forums, someone to form 'anti-pirate' movements that like anti-CODE ones usually amounted to nothing.
CODE just moved piracy and extortion to high sec. Where it's needed most. You expect trust in a tight knit group living on the fringes like null sec, but in the mass throng of anonymous faces in high sec someone needs to be a unifying entity. That is always by definition the 'bad guy'. In a game it's fun to play that part, and it's why pretty much every game now relies on exactly that sort of moral ambiguity as a selling point. CODE just does this very well.
And they have a lot of fun doing it, which is really what matters most in a video game. |
ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1811
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Posted - 2017.01.01 16:21:24 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:Skyweir Kinnison wrote:You have been promoting your anti-ganking agenda in the IGS forum - where RP is perfectly acceptable, and have been challenged there in-character on your assumptions.
Posting this stuff in NCQ&A is pure trolling, and you should stop it. Yes, and I'm sure CODE, and it's adherents have been challenged to cease their behaviours. So if they are unwilling to entertain those challenges, why should I entertain yours? Have you not considered that what you call trolling is infact dialogue between combative persons, and intended to elicit a certain response? Futhermore, there is a tactical purpose behind trolling. As the response which it elicits can cause people either to reveal information which they otherwise might not have. I can also cause them to become emotionally invested and therefore make mistakes.... It's called gamesmanship. THE NC Q&A IS A TROLL FREE ZONE! PLEASE TAKE YOUR TROLLING TO ANY OTHER SECTION OF THE FOUM. |
Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1116
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Posted - 2017.01.01 18:11:15 -
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Black Pedro wrote:I really don't get why players think a perfectly safe highsec would at all be interesting I will take this challenge simply because. Cash money needed to continue development of this game is the best reason to have some small areas in each of the 4 factions space that are 100% free of risk from other players. There has been much written lately on the coming of adds to the game that are placed by giving CCP cash money. These 100% safe areas (with appropriate restrictions) represent a possible source of revenue for CCP and with that potential revenue would come two things 1. a decrease in adds, 2. more devs to work on that never ending list of someday when we have dev time things. I am continually surprised that this simple fact can escape those who otherwise appear to be quite intelligent. |
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1361
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Posted - 2017.01.01 18:26:06 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:It inability of CODE to keep their word is the principal thing which is likely to undermine the profitability of their extortion. Why do you care? It is not your wallet.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Mara Pahrdi
The Order of Anoyia
1361
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Posted - 2017.01.01 18:37:43 -
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Donnachadh wrote:Black Pedro wrote:I really don't get why players think a perfectly safe highsec would at all be interesting I will take this challenge simply because. Cash money needed to continue development of this game is the best reason to have some small areas in each of the 4 factions space that are 100% free of risk from other players. There has been much written lately on the coming of adds to the game that are placed by giving CCP cash money. These 100% safe areas (with appropriate restrictions) represent a possible source of revenue for CCP and with that potential revenue would come two things 1. a decrease in adds, 2. more devs to work on that never ending list of someday when we have dev time things. I am continually surprised that this simple fact can escape those who otherwise appear to be quite intelligent. If you cannot generate any form of income in those systems and basically all you can do is fly around, why not? Even if CCP created a small closed zone that you can do very limited stuff in to get basic knowledge, a zone that's completely cut off from the real game? Why not. If you then decide to swim with the sharks it's a one time decision. You cannot get back into that safe starter zone. That was sort of Mittens proposal.
But as soon as you start to compete for resources within the real EVE, whatever they may be, you start to swim with the sharks. Deal with it.
It is the core of the game we subscribed to years ago. Of course CCP could change the game to suit that kind of customers. But it won't be EVE anymore. Because they will lose most of their former customers over time.
Remove standings and insurance.
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27256
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Posted - 2017.01.01 19:07:59 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote: But that is just the problem right there. When a person buys a "mining permit" they are, infact, buying a word. The permit is a contract and comes with terms and conditions attached to it, most of which are a matter of common sense; things like don't afk in a PvP game.
Quote:Yet if the giver of that word does not honour that word, or cannot be trusted to keep it, then that word is worthless and not worth the money paid to obtain it. Failure to follow the terms and conditions invalidates the permit, because it dishonours the contract with CODE. That's your problem, not theirs.
Try not following terms and conditions attached to any real life agreements/contracts that you've agreed to; see what happens.
Quote:It inability of CODE to keep their word is the principal thing which is likely to undermine the profitability of their extortion. Who is to blame if a permit holder decides not to follow the terms and conditions attached to it and gets ganked because of their failure to do so?
Edit: Wrong sub forum, C&P or GD are the place for this topic.
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Sark Nosha
Nosha Trading Empire
45
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Posted - 2017.01.01 22:06:55 -
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Probably not much to add - most of what needs to be said has been said - racketeering, propaganda, hypocrisy and extortion- all perfectly legitimate parts of eve. It can be annoying for sure but it adds to the experience overall. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
19874
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Posted - 2017.01.01 22:16:20 -
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Remember when James sent out loads of evemails to CEO's telling them to boot people from their Corps for insulting CODE. Or they would go to war?
We tried quite hard to get one, never materialized.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3051
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Posted - 2017.01.01 23:09:30 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Marcus Binchiette wrote: But that is just the problem right there. When a person buys a "mining permit" they are, infact, buying a word. The permit is a contract and comes with terms and conditions attached to it, most of which are a matter of common sense; things like don't afk in a PvP game. Quote:Yet if the giver of that word does not honour that word, or cannot be trusted to keep it, then that word is worthless and not worth the money paid to obtain it. Failure to follow the terms and conditions invalidates the permit, because it dishonours the contract with CODE. That's your problem, not theirs. Try not following terms and conditions attached to any real life agreements/contracts that you've agreed to; see what happens. Quote:It inability of CODE to keep their word is the principal thing which is likely to undermine the profitability of their extortion. Who is to blame if a permit holder decides not to follow the terms and conditions attached to it and gets ganked because of their failure to do so? Edit: Wrong sub forum, C&P or GD are the place for this topic. Exactly. Another way to look at it is that you need a valid driver's license to drive on the highway, but that doesn't exempt you from obeying the rules of the road. The court/police can still revoke your license and punish you for not following the rules.
This discussion is beyond what is needed for a new player. They just need to understand that it is within the rules that other players can shoot you, even in highsec, can that they can also choose to extort you. This is all valid gameplay.
It is up to the new player to decide if they want to align themselves with one group or not. But I will underscore that CCP has given you more than enough tools to operate almost perfectly safe in highsec, although they require you to spend some effort and/or trade-off your yield for safety. If you have any specific questions on how to stay safe please ask them here.
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
61
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Posted - 2017.01.02 13:17:31 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote: Failure to follow the terms and conditions invalidates the permit, because it dishonours the contract with CODE. That's your problem, not theirs.
Try not following terms and conditions attached to any real life agreements/contracts that you've agreed to; see what happens.
I enclose exhibit A) https://youtu.be/5pPQaYa9d68?t=6m30s
It isn't just me saying this. Now while you might claim that there are rules, terms, and conditions. The breaking of which might nullify the "mining permit". It has been argued that this is open to the interpretation of the individual CODE agent. That people who have followed your supposed rules have still been ganked, and that you are a scammer with no real credibility.
Black Pedro wrote:Exactly. Another way to look at it is that you need a valid driver's license to drive on the highway, but that doesn't exempt you from obeying the rules of the road. The court/police can still revoke your license and punish you for not following the rules.
This discussion is beyond what is needed for a new player. They just need to understand that it is within the rules that other players can shoot you, even in highsec, can that they can also choose to extort you. This is all valid gameplay.
This isn't a law and order issue, because CODE has not been established and endorsed as a law enforcement agency. They are a self appointed organisation, with no oversight, who enforce their will on others. There are many players in the Eve community (myself included) who do not ratify the CODE or it's authority.
We never accepted it's protection. We don't trust it's agents. We cannot be reproached for breaking it - and it you choose to gank us, then good luck to you sir.
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Edit: Wrong sub forum, C&P or GD are the place for this topic.
Well if you're so keen on prohibiting in character discussions on this Q&A sub-forum, Then I should also point out that arguing CODE's legitimacy and integrity (when it has none) could be qualified as scamming, and therefore an in-character interaction. If this is the incorrect sub-forum for the thread I'm not against it being moved. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27272
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Posted - 2017.01.02 13:41:09 -
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That video portrays a contract scam that leads people into a trap; a totally different kettle of fish and usually carried out by parties other than CODE.
Quote:It isn't just me saying this. Now while you might claim that there are rules, terms, and conditions. The breaking of which might nullify the "mining permit". It has been argued that this is open to the interpretation of the individual CODE agent. If you get caught by a CODE. ganker after purchasing a permit, the likelihood is that you weren't following the terms and conditions of it.
I don't have a permit and have never been ganked; because I take responsibility for my own safety in EvE and followed most of the stuff laid out in CODE.'s manifesto, long before they, or it, existed.
Quote:That people who have followed your supposed rules have still been ganked, and that you are a scammer with no real credibility. Are you suggesting that A: I'm a ganker, and B: that I'm a scammer?
How little you know.
Quote:This isn't a law and order issue, because CODE has not been established and endorsed as a law enforcement agency. They are a self appointed organisation, with no oversight, who enforce their will on others. There are many players in the Eve community (myself included) who do not ratify the CODE or it's authority.
We never accepted it's protection. We don't trust it's agents. We cannot be reproached for breaking it - and it you choose to gank us, then good luck to you sir. This is Eve, the laws are written by those that are prepared to enforce them at the end of a gun. Here might makes right.
Quote:Well if you're so keen on prohibiting in character discussions on this Q&A sub-forum, Then I should also point out that arguing CODE's legitimacy and integrity (when it has none) could be qualified as scamming, and therefore an in-character interaction. If this is the incorrect sub-forum for the thread I'm not against it being moved. This sub forum is a troll free zone, discussions of CODE. and their antics are more suited to C&P or GD; similarly themed threads have been repeatedly shut down or moved to the appropriate place.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
824
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Posted - 2017.01.03 19:13:08 -
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The difference between a mining permit and racketeering? The silly narrative that CODE perpetuates to make them look legitimate, of course! |
Black Locust
Black Flag CommonWealth Fidelas Constans
9
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Posted - 2017.01.04 16:57:36 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote: ...... Then perhaps the teachers need to be taught their own lesson.
And here is the beauty of EVE. You are the master of your own destiny, if you disagree with something then you have the opportunity to enforce what you believe to be right. How successful that is going to be depends on many factors, but you are free to get the ball rolling.
Who knows, if you stand up against CODE and beat them into submission, then perhaps in a year or two people will be making forums posts about you and whether your cause is just :)
Peace o/ |
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Selene Dukat
Space Ants Army of New Eden
14
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Posted - 2017.01.05 20:31:12 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote: Picking up on some previous posts from various CODE agents I can't help but wonder how they keep this going. I'm perfectly fine with CODE being in the game, and in many ways I can appreciate their "content creation". As I have found their killmails to produce some true gold. As a testament to the stupidity of many.
I am however unconvinced and quite willing to contest CODE's claims to jurisdiction over hisec - and in particular question both their requirement to buy a permit, and the effectiveness of said permit for preventing ganking by CODE membership. I find that CODE's claim to superiourity, to be rather smug and obnoxious.
Rather than seeking to eradicate "bot aspirant" gameplay, and multiboxing mechanics, they have instead become the chief instigators of such activities. Even worse, I see CODE's smug claims to invulnerability as defeating the very purpose for which it was created. If the purpose is indeed to teach the community of Eve that no-one is safe. Then perhaps the teachers need to be taught their own lesson.
First of all, CODE being in the game is awesome. It's players making player content. It's creative and I like it. People that are angry about it forget the golden rule of EVE: you consent to pvp the moment you click undock. High security does not mean "safe." Never has, and hopefully never will.
With all that said, you can ignore their ridiculous propaganda. CODE is a classic protection racket. It's genuis, but that's what it is. You're better off never paying them for anything, because you don't need it and they don't adhere to it.
CODE can be summed up with an EVE variation on an old classic mobster phrase: "Nice ship you got there. Sure would be a shame if... something happened to it."
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY Domestic Disturbance
434
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Posted - 2017.01.12 21:34:52 -
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Marcus Binchiette wrote:
This isn't a law and order issue, because CODE has not been established and endorsed as a law enforcement agency. They are a self appointed organisation, with no oversight, who enforce their will on others. There are many players in the Eve community (myself included) who do not ratify the CODE or it's authority.
Neither are any other entities in EVE, and yet they create and enforce their rules in nullsec all the time. Do you know how they enforce it? By blowing you up.
Judging by Codes killboard, id say they are the law, and they enforce their law very well.
Marcus Binchiette wrote: We never accepted it's protection. We don't trust it's agents. We cannot be reproached for breaking it - and it you choose to gank us, then good luck to you sir.
Didnt you lose like an imicus to code last september? I guess they had a lot of luck. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3084
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Posted - 2017.01.12 22:24:33 -
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I can't seem to find an actual point (nor a sincere question) anywhere here, OP. Looks like a stealth-whine that other people are doing something and you don't like it more than anything else.
Suppose CODE never actually honors the permit and it's just a total scam. So what?
Lying is allowed. Scamming is allowed. Extortion is allowed. Ganking is allowed. Even when it is granted that it's all a bunch of dishonest extortion that they have no intention of ever honoring, they.... still wouldn't be doing anything wrong (as Eve defines it).
So, why does any of this matter?
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
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Marcus Binchiette
Pyrotech Creations
72
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Posted - 2017.01.13 03:47:52 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:Neither are any other entities in EVE, and yet they create and enforce their rules in nullsec all the time. Do you know how they enforce it? By blowing you up.
Judging by Codes killboard, id say they are the law, and they enforce their law very well.
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Didnt you lose like an imicus to code last september? I guess they had a lot of luck.
Either you have a very good memory Solonius, or , you've been reading my killboard. Yes, you are right. The Imicus lost in September 2016 was my first and only loss to CODE. Back then I was a proper noob and only 1 week into playing the game. I didn't even know that there were career mission agents.
That Imicus was my first ever frigate which I bought. I fitted it for courier missions and had it loaded with about 20 Million ISK. Which was the entire sum total of my earnings for the first week of play. Which I had accumulated by using civilian miners on my Velator, and then buying low, transporting in my Imicus and selling high. So I was pretty pissed off about it.
Back then I didn't know anything about CODE, and I was autopiloting because I thought that being dropped 12 km off the gate was just normal. My knowledge of the game controls was very limited. Having lost all that in one go, in such a senseless attack, from a group which I'd never met, applying rules which I didn't understand, was such a terrible introduction to the game.
So yea, I don't like CODE. |
Akane Togenada
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.01.13 14:50:19 -
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I'd say CODE are without a doubt an entity that makes a substantial impact on life in HS. The fact that they are arguably the most recognized Group in the entire game speaks volumes on their ability to create propaganda if nothing else.
Personally I don-¦t have an issue with them and quite frankly think they provide a service to active players who don-¦t resort to things like AFK-mining, autopiloting or lazy behaviour in general. The service I'm refering to is ofcourse the fact that they drive up prices if ever so slightly for comodities which benefits active players who get more ISK for their 'labor' in game.
I can understand if those who get ganked feel frustrated but isn-¦t it better to loose a relatively cheap ship early on and hopefully learn from it then to cluelessly continue being lazy in game and risk a much bigger loss later in ones EVE-career. |
Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.13 16:53:23 -
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I like them, my other character has pirated money out of 2 noobs mining when I posed as a coder selling permits. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
581
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Posted - 2017.01.13 18:47:23 -
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Hazel TuckerTS wrote:I like them, my other character has pirated money out of 2 noobs mining when I posed as a coder selling permits. whats good for the goose is good for the gander.
Actually, if you sold mining permits to miners, you ARE an Agent of the New Order whether you intended to be or not. Taking action against non Code compliant highsec mining means you are working for James 315. Having a permit is required. Agents get to keep the 10 million ISK for themselves anyway so what you did is exactly what we do.
As far as not honoring permits, its a common complaint and, like most things bot aspirant, comes from ignorance. The permit, as famously loved or hated as it is, is only one requirement of the New Halaima Code of Conduct. There are a number of other requirements and following them all is not optional in New Order systems, including and especially for permit holders. If a miner cynically buys a permit and then goes and AFK mines, he is violating the Code and his illegal mining equipment will be confiscated by the first Agent who discovers the scoff-law.
Additionally, it is often clear to Agents that some permit holders do not actually intend to follow the Code from the way they speak to Agents or about the Code in local. Or the way they fail to tank their ships. Or the way they mine excessively. The list is all laid out in the Code so they know they are in violation. We would be poor enforcers of the democratically derived laws of highsec if we ignored these criminals just because they have paid for a permit. I confirm, because CCP requires it of us, that the New Order has an economic interest in saving highsec but the core of our efforts are because our ideology requires us to raise the highsec miners from the lowly position they choose in the Eve food chain to something better, more human, and more enjoyable for everyone.
I'm a poor representative for the New Order of Highsec so don't take my humble attempts at explaining the New Order or our ganking component, the more famous CODE. alliance as a full explanation. Read James 315. He explains things better and in much more detail than I ever could. Plus, hes the Savior of Highsec so you know he knows what its all about.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.13 20:57:32 -
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I was being a smarty pink lace pants....but thanks for the drivel |
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