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Tar Jaynara
Cras cras semper cras sic evadit aetas
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Posted - 2017.01.02 16:18:30 -
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Hello After you brought GÇ£Alpha Clone stateGÇ¥ that allow players operate only faction ships, I think it is good idea to add fourth character at account. So each player with GÇ£Alpha Clone stateGÇ¥ will be able to try all faction ships with one account. Thank. |
Shu t'Me
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.01.02 17:32:02 -
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Just start 4 alpha accounts.
It's not like you pay for them. |
Reaver Glitterstim
Dromedaworks inc Test Alliance Please Ignore
3004
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Posted - 2017.01.02 17:43:15 -
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Beta clones.
FT Diomedes: "Reaver, sometimes I wonder what you are thinking when you sit down to post."
Frostys Virpio: "We have to give it to him that he does put more effort than the vast majority in his idea but damn does it sometime come out of nowhere."
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Tar Jaynara
Cras cras semper cras sic evadit aetas
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Posted - 2017.01.03 12:02:04 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them.
You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game.
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46505
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Posted - 2017.01.03 12:23:01 -
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Not high priority for me personally but the suggestion logically seems ok.
How technically possible it is, I don't know, but in general +1 from me. Seems sensible. |
Althalus Stenory
Flying Blacksmiths
101
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Posted - 2017.01.03 12:38:19 -
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Tar Jaynara wrote:You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game.
Well actually in that-game-we-shouldn't-pronounce (lol), you can train them as you want: just login, chose your char, exp and it's done, switch character, do the same.
In eve, having 4 char slots will be useless in less than many month, since players will only be able to train one on the four, so 4 alpha will be far more efficient (and useful) than 4 on the same account, as training time are really not the same as the game you take as comparison (and it's not even comparable). So basically, it's even a worse way to familiarize with the game, as you don't have time to really train something. That's also why most of us have alts on different accounts, unless we don't mind stopping the skill queue somewhere / paying a plex to skill on both but only use one.
But in real long terms (considering you'll need around 4-5 month to have all alpha skills on only one character), it makes sense to have 4 slots.
And I personally would also use a 4th slot on my accounts
+1 |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
700
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Posted - 2017.01.03 13:58:37 -
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The problem isn't with Alphas but with Omega industrialists like me. In 6 months I can train an industrial character capable of earning well over a billion/month. My existing characters are fully trained, it makes sense for me use my subscription queue to train a new character to level 4 rather than train my existing characters to level 5 or use the queue for skill extraction. Since each character earns more than enough to PLEX the account, the profit potential is quite large. I'm actually surprised CCP allows us 3 characters/account - not complaining though! |
Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
506
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Posted - 2017.01.03 14:49:43 -
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Tar Jaynara wrote:Hello After you brought GÇ£Alpha Clone stateGÇ¥ that allow players operate only faction ships, I think it is good idea to add fourth character at account. So each player with GÇ£Alpha Clone stateGÇ¥ will be able to try all faction ships with one account. Thank.
Nah, that's not true. Only one character per account can train, even in Alpha state. So if you want to try out all factions, you still need to make four accounts, or wait for months until your first alpha hits the cap and change training. And if you're that obsessive with alphas, you should be willing to just biomass the faction you liked the least to make room for the final faction.
Having four characters per account just to have all factions would be a cute idea, but it's not necessary. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
698
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:06:44 -
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seconding the 'harmless from an alpha but REALLY problematic from an Omega' perspective
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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blargderp
United Earth Space Council
9
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:17:19 -
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wouldn't it be easier to just remove minmatar from the game? |
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
698
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:26:51 -
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blargderp wrote:wouldn't it be easier to just remove caldari from the game?
Fixed
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3672
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:30:24 -
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Considering you have to log out before you can switch character anyways, you may as well just have 4 accounts. Or two.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Donnachadh
United Allegiance of Undesirables
1122
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:38:59 -
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+1
Armor vs shield tanking. Drones vs hybrids, vs projectiles, vs missiles vs lasers. And the list goes on, the basic differences between the 4 races just seems to make the 4th character slot a good idea.
I do not see the 4th character slot as a major problem for vet players. Most would likely still use multiple accounts because the character that might be in that 4th slot is one they would need to have online at the same time as other characters on that account. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
698
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Posted - 2017.01.03 15:50:53 -
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Donnachadh wrote:+1
Armor vs shield tanking. Drones vs hybrids, vs projectiles, vs missiles vs lasers. And the list goes on, the basic differences between the 4 races just seems to make the 4th character slot a good idea.
I do not see the 4th character slot as a major problem for vet players. Most would likely still use multiple accounts because the character that might be in that 4th slot is one they would need to have online at the same time as other characters on that account.
For reference..... I use every spare slot on my accounts for industry and cyno's of some magnitude. Give me another slot I'll do even more. That's kinda broken.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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blargderp
United Earth Space Council
9
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Posted - 2017.01.03 16:03:32 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Donnachadh wrote:+1
Armor vs shield tanking. Drones vs hybrids, vs projectiles, vs missiles vs lasers. And the list goes on, the basic differences between the 4 races just seems to make the 4th character slot a good idea.
I do not see the 4th character slot as a major problem for vet players. Most would likely still use multiple accounts because the character that might be in that 4th slot is one they would need to have online at the same time as other characters on that account. For reference..... I use every spare slot on my accounts for industry and cyno's of some magnitude. Give me another slot I'll do even more. That's kinda broken.
stimulating the economy is broken? |
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
23
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Posted - 2017.01.03 16:20:58 -
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Tar Jaynara wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them. You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game.
It makes more sense to have 4 accounts because of eve's training limitations.
They can all train if you have four accounts. If you have 4 slots on one account, only one can trade at a time. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
698
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Posted - 2017.01.03 16:25:39 -
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blargderp wrote:stimulating the economy is broken?
No... but me getting X more omega character skill sets to work with for the same price is kinda bad for CCP's wallet.... and we all know they need help managing their wallet.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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blargderp
United Earth Space Council
9
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:10:45 -
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Kenrailae wrote:
No... but me getting X more omega character skill sets to work with for the same price is kinda bad for CCP's wallet.... and we all know they need help managing their wallet.
this of course is assuming you would be paying for more than one account in order to get a fourth character. considering your claims however, you're making more than enough isk to keep an exponentially increasing number of accounts PLEXed indefinitely. this means that not only are you not directly giving CCP money, but if you were so obliged you could single handedly crash the PLEX market with your infinite income. while being able to increase your production per PLEX by 30% could potentially be detrimental to the game, not having that extra production would not really stop you from such a conquest and as such is inconsequential in the long run. simply put, there comes a point of diminishing returns where a fourth character slot doesn't effect the game to such a degree that it can truly be a bad thing. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
702
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:19:32 -
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blargderp wrote:this of course is assuming you would be paying for more than one account in order to get a fourth character. considering your claims however, you're making more than enough isk to keep an exponentially increasing number of accounts PLEXed indefinitely. this means that not only are you not directly giving CCP money, but if you were so obliged you could single handedly crash the PLEX market with your infinite income. while being able to increase your production per PLEX by 30% could potentially be detrimental to the game, not having that extra production would not really stop you from such a conquest and as such is inconsequential in the long run. simply put, there comes a point of diminishing returns where a fourth character slot doesn't effect the game to such a degree that it can truly be a bad thing.
You're new here, aren't you?
We have a long standing reputation for exploiting everything into the ground.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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blargderp
United Earth Space Council
9
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:23:46 -
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Kenrailae wrote:
You're new here, aren't you?
We have a long standing reputation for exploiting everything into the ground.
GêPx1.33=GêP |
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Shu t'Me
10
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:23:53 -
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blargderp wrote:Kenrailae wrote:
No... but me getting X more omega character skill sets to work with for the same price is kinda bad for CCP's wallet.... and we all know they need help managing their wallet.
this of course is assuming you would be paying for more than one account in order to get a fourth character. considering your claims however, you're making more than enough isk to keep an exponentially increasing number of accounts PLEXed indefinitely. this means that not only are you not directly giving CCP money, but if you were so obliged you could single handedly crash the PLEX market with your infinite income. while being able to increase your production per PLEX by 30% could potentially be detrimental to the game, not having that extra production would not really stop you from such a conquest and as such is inconsequential in the long run. simply put, there comes a point of diminishing returns where a fourth character slot doesn't effect the game to such a degree that it can truly be a bad thing. EvE is a very cut throat game. If the players here can abuse a mechanic, you'd better believe we will.
Also, google Malcanis' Law, as it applies here. |
Danika Princip
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
5140
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Posted - 2017.01.03 18:40:38 -
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Donnachadh wrote:+1
Armor vs shield tanking. Drones vs hybrids, vs projectiles, vs missiles vs lasers. And the list goes on, the basic differences between the 4 races just seems to make the 4th character slot a good idea.
I do not see the 4th character slot as a major problem for vet players. Most would likely still use multiple accounts because the character that might be in that 4th slot is one they would need to have online at the same time as other characters on that account.
You don't think a 25% increase in the amount of PI stuff I can produce per account, the number of cyno alts, scouts, AFK cloakers or production and research slots I can have per account is going to make a difference? |
Do Little
Virgin Plc Evictus.
700
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Posted - 2017.01.03 19:04:08 -
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If I use PLEX to pay for a second account (and I do), I need to buy that PLEX on the in-game market and someone else originally bought if from CCP with real world money and sold it for ISK or it wouldn't be there.
CCP loves people who pay with PLEX because they make more per 30 days of game time if I pay by PLEX than they would if I simply extended my subscription. |
blargderp
United Earth Space Council
9
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Posted - 2017.01.03 19:10:58 -
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Do Little wrote:If I use PLEX to pay for a second account (and I do), I need to buy that PLEX on the in-game market and someone else originally bought if from CCP with real world money and sold it for ISK or it wouldn't be there.
CCP loves people who pay with PLEX because they make more per 30 days of game time if I pay by PLEX than they would if I simply extended my subscription.
you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. |
Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46509
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Posted - 2017.01.03 19:31:50 -
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blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What?
Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy.
Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. |
Matthias Ancaladron
Wrath of Angels
60
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Posted - 2017.01.03 20:56:44 -
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I'm fine with this. But we need a 4th playable race to rationalize the 4th slot.
Amarr, caldari, gallente, and what else? Jive would be a good choice. Bro g back the eidolon battleship and round out the jove ship tree, open up their space. There's already a thread about how you can make jove characters on sisi. Adding a 4th slot would be perfect before ccp releases the jove as a playable race. |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3672
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Posted - 2017.01.03 21:05:42 -
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blargderp wrote:Do Little wrote:If I use PLEX to pay for a second account (and I do), I need to buy that PLEX on the in-game market and someone else originally bought if from CCP with real world money and sold it for ISK or it wouldn't be there.
CCP loves people who pay with PLEX because they make more per 30 days of game time if I pay by PLEX than they would if I simply extended my subscription. you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does.
Subs also have bulk discounts. Difference being, sub discounts have never stopped, where as plex sales are in frequent.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Shu t'Me
14
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Posted - 2017.01.04 07:18:02 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. |
Rain6637
NulzSec
34723
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Posted - 2017.01.04 09:36:54 -
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This is the proper way to use three character slots:
High SP main Utility character such as scout or cyno Noob character to stay in Jita and claim gifts in redeeming system at Christmas
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
PLEX: A Giffen good? (It's 1B?)
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Tar Jaynara
Cras cras semper cras sic evadit aetas
0
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Posted - 2017.01.04 12:25:17 -
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Guys, I think you look at this situation from an experienced pilot point of view. What about to look at the situation from a new comer point of view. He (new comer) find out about eve online somewhere on the internet and see that it is free to play. He decide to install game. He start play, fly some days on Minmatar, for instance. He see other beautiful ship but he can't fly on it because it is Amar. He create new character just to try other ship. Then Caldary. And suddenly he must delete one previous character to try last faction. It's just not elegant. I am pretty sure, in this case, trial was better. With trial you could try all faction without any restriction. |
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Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
704
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Posted - 2017.01.04 12:29:53 -
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but new players don't stay new players. Eventually they become old players. Old players learn the things they shoulda known as new players and make new accounts with all the benefit of an older player with the perks of a new player as well.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2401
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:24:48 -
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Tar Jaynara wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them. You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game.
Here's what I'm seeing. You want to be able to use the same login to be able to access all 4 races of alphas so that you can fly any and all alpha crap fleet doctrines.
News flash, Alpha is an introductory clone. It is SUPPOSED to be limited and making you want for more. That way if you like the game you can do your fare share and pay for a subscription.
The fact that you are wanting more is proof that the Alpha clone is currently working exactly as intended. |
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
24
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:26:51 -
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Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used.
As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does.
You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it.
Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread.
I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though. |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2401
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Posted - 2017.01.04 14:46:11 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though.
Let's stay focused ladies. This thread is about alpha clones working correctly and making the alpha clone player want for more. This isn't an economics symposium on the mystic practices of the CCP accounting process. |
Shu t'Me
17
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Posted - 2017.01.04 18:25:21 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though. Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement. |
blargderp
United Earth Space Council
13
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Posted - 2017.01.04 19:44:57 -
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Shu t'Me wrote: Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement.
you can return a loaf of bread to the store if it's unused.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5666
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Posted - 2017.01.04 21:20:38 -
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Kenrailae wrote:seconding the 'harmless from an alpha but REALLY problematic from an Omega' perspective
Agreed, that was my thought.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
383
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Posted - 2017.01.05 08:28:12 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Not high priority for me personally but the suggestion logically seems ok.
How technically possible it is, I don't know, but in general +1 from me. Seems sensible.
Well at the rate ccp goes if a 15 sec advantage for a button to switch characters will take 6 months for a team of 5 devs, a 4th slot may take at least a year
"Sarcasm is the Recourse of a weak mind." -Dr. Smith
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3810
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Posted - 2017.01.05 12:43:46 -
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Shu t'Me wrote: Because, while I've never heard of it happening, it is possible to demand a refund for an unused PLEX you've purchased.
When you buy a loaf of bread from the grocery store, the loaf of bread is considered delivered at that point. When you buy a PLEX, you're buying 30 days of game time. Up until that PLEX is used, and the game time applied to an account, CCP has nod delivered on their side of the agreement.
Except with all the uses of Plex, and the in game use of plex simply to 'invest' on speculation, and the fact that when you buy plex it specifically says you are buying plex.... Yeah not buying that argument. But deferred income means that it puts the use of plex in the right financial statement. |
Tar Jaynara
Cras cras semper cras sic evadit aetas
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Posted - 2017.01.05 15:41:24 -
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Serendipity Lost wrote:Tar Jaynara wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Just start 4 alpha accounts. It's not like you pay for them. You are not seriously. It isn't a smart way to familiarize with a game, especially, when eve online position itself like an intelligent game. Even World of Warcraft (game 7+) have option to create a particular number of characters equal to the number of different classes in game. Here's what I'm seeing. You want to be able to use the same login to be able to access all 4 races of alphas so that you can fly any and all alpha crap fleet doctrines. News flash, Alpha is an introductory clone. It is SUPPOSED to be limited and making you want for more. That way if you like the game you can do your fare share and pay for a subscription. The fact that you are wanting more is proof that the Alpha clone is currently working exactly as intended. Currently I don't play, but I like this game and want this game to be popular and successful. In general, I don't support eve online economical model, but that is what we have and this topic isn't about it. You say GÇ£it is supposed to be limitedGÇ¥ but limitations can be different, ship class and a tier modules limitations are strong enough, in my opinion. You say GÇ£ making you want for moreGÇ¥ but you need like it before you want for more let a new comer like this game before he encounter limitation. If you call faction ship restriction and three characters, together, GÇ£limitationGÇ¥, I call it GÇ£defectGÇ¥ that doesn't help to like this game. . |
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:17:27 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Shu t'Me wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:blargderp wrote:you're assuming that every PLEX is purchased directly from CCP, in single packs, not on sale, and not purchased from a region (or VPN) in which the price of PLEX after currency exchange rates are calculated is cheaper than other regions. this is of course entirely off-topic, but the point is that CCP does not make as much money off of a single PLEX as you think it does. What? Every PLEX is originally purchased directly from CCP. Even authorized third-party sellers buy PLEX first from CCP. They buy it cheaper in bulk than single PLEX, just the same as CCP sell PLEX directly at discounted rates the more you buy. Either way, CCP get the income from PLEX. Actually, CCP has said they prefer people who pay subs over buying PLEX from them. Yes, they make more money, however a PLEX is what's referred to as deferred income. CCP can't actually count PLEX sales as income until the PLEX is used. As someone who works in finance and accounting... I don't get that accounting practice if that is in fact what CPP does. You can't trade in a PLEX for real world money as far as I know. Income for PLEX SHOULD be accounted for at the time it is purchased... not at the time it's used. You put the income gained from the sale of a product on the books at the time it's sold... not when the person you sold it to gets around to using it. Your grocery store doesn't account for the sale of a loaf of bread to you when you make a sandwich. It goes on the books as sold when you pay for the bread. I can see CCP preferring subs because they have a higher retention rate due to automatic re-subbing. Your explanation makes no sense though.
It's still listed as deferred income as the service was not provided yet. The loaf of bread has been provided but a PLEX is "nothing". They don't "cash" it's value until it has been used because they would have to fiddle around with expense when you finally use it for whatever it is and no income is attached to that service, be it character transfer, game time, Aurum or whatever else. |
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Posted - 2017.01.05 16:21:30 -
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Agondray wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Not high priority for me personally but the suggestion logically seems ok.
How technically possible it is, I don't know, but in general +1 from me. Seems sensible. Well at the rate ccp goes if a 15 sec advantage for a button to switch characters will take 6 months for a team of 5 devs, a 4th slot may take at least a year
Core feature of old games are always a PITA to fiddle with.
Or the devs hold a hard line of NO because they know if we get that, we will then ask for more. See current discussion about account getting more character slots now that we have free account. |
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