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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:09:33 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child Explain this.
He already did FFS.
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:09:57 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are basing all of your posts so far on logical fallacies. Explain where and how, exactly. I already. LInkLink
Neither constitute non-sequitor.
They are relevant and directed at statements made by Scipio himself.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:10:51 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child Explain this. He already did FFS.
That does not answer the question I posed at all. Not in syntax, context or any other relevant dimension.
Nor are you in any position to answer for him.
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Jonah Gravenstein
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:11:18 -
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*popcorn*
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:12:23 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:You are basing all of your posts so far on logical fallacies. Explain where and how, exactly. I already. LInkLink Neither constitute non-sequitor. They are relevant and directed at statements made by Scipio himself.
And BOOM!
Now you know why Scipio does not want to discuss this with you. Those are both non-sequiturs. Your conclusions do not follow from what Scipio has written.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:13:45 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child
Scipio, explain why and how you believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:15:16 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Your conclusions do not follow from what Scipio has written.
Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child
I said "The direct conclusion, is that Alphas are children, and getting griefed by them is like being griefed by a child, by your own explanation." is the direct, literal, factual and stated premise of the statement Scipio made.
This is not non-sequitor.
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:16:43 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child Scipio, explain why and how you believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child.
Look it is Literal Salvos.
Do you know what a simile is?
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:17:33 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Your conclusions do not follow from what Scipio has written. Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child I said "The direct conclusion, is that Alphas are children, and getting griefed by them is like being griefed by a child, by your own explanation." is the direct, literal, factual and stated premise of the statement Scipio made. This is not non-sequitor.
You are like Drax the Destroyer, you are so literal that nothing goes right over your head because your reflexes are too fast.
Holy mother of God.
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:18:22 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Look it is Literal Salvos.
The irony when you tried, and failed, to nail me on non-sequitor, which is based in literal statements, yet you now try to denigrate me for disproving your false claim, as being "literal".
Now you attempt "similes" as a proxy to divert from the remaining and outstanding question.
Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child
Scipio, explain why and how you believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child.
This is a rational question to ask of your "belief".
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Lulu Lunette
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:27:43 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child Explain this.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child Scipio, explain why and how you believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child.
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Scipio, explain why and how you believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child.
This is a rational question to ask of your "belief".
I think you broke Salvosbot
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.08 21:27:57 -
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I take this as a sincere compliment.
If it is not true, or pursuant of truth, its not worth dealing with. I deliberately and consciously ignore irrelevancies and spurious nonsense. If you cant say what you mean, and mean what you say, it is of no concern to me.
The question to Scipio, so as to explain his "belief", is still outstanding. Up to him whether he answers or not. But in absence of an explanation, its everyone's free game to interpret his "belief" as they see fit.
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Dracvlad
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Posted - 2017.01.08 22:09:46 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:For example Jonah tried to hire mercs to kill me because I had hurt his feelings, but the Mercs told him no because it was not worth it, and do you know what that gave me a huge buzz, because I had won Eve for me. I put some feelers out with reference to placing a contract on you, not because you had hurt my feelings but because you're a bit of an arse, the general consensus of opinion was that YOU'RE not worth wasting my money on. No price was mentioned, nor was it a serious dialogue; with many jokes being made at your expense.
You had a feeling that I was an arse, so I hurt your feelings by being an arse with you so you put feelers out, yes they made jokes at my expense on which I am so not bothered, but that is all they can do, just like you, which as I said makes me very happy...
I would like to thank others for picking up on this immature thing thrown around at people who get uptight over a competitive game, which can be a perfectly normal reaction to a loss in any competitive game. If they don't get uptight are they unfeeling, uncaring and lack emotion?
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 22:25:44 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Mara Pahrdi wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Is it griefing if I under cut your prices by more than 10%? Well, 0.1 isk wars could be harassment. It's regionwide, which is way more than just a constellation or a few systems. Classic Teckos diversion post, you should ignore him like I have. I only get to see his rubbish if people quote it, which thankfully is not often. Somehow in Tecko's mind playing games in the market is the same as Erotica's teamspeak bonus room, which is why when people talk about gamking balance they jump in and say you want no PvP, odd people I must say...
Classic Dracvlad nonsense by the way. Clearly my post was in jest. Of course undercutting prices is not griefing. How one makes the leap to Erotica1 is something only possible in Dracvlad's mind.
I will say that it is mildly refreshing to see a post where Dracvald is not posting almost entirely about himself though.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.01.08 22:33:17 -
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Dracvlad wrote:If they don't get uptight are they unfeeling, uncaring and lack emotion? That's a good question; and no it's not my view that one means the other.
Just like many things can be represented by a bell curve, in society how people as a whole react to situations can be represented by a bell curve and within that curve, there is a range of emotion that is generally accepted as 'normal'.
For example, if a stranger past me on a walk and said hello, I'd say hello back. That would be normal. But if that same stranger came and gave me a hug, I'd probably be a bit creeped out. Not trying to define absolutes, just trends, norms, etc.
So for me personally, in reacting to things that happen in game, there is also going to be a range of emotions and reactions that is perfectly normal.
The feeling of being griefed is to me, outside that normal range of feelings over a video game. It's at the extreme in my view.
From that, people that are emotionally in check (which I hope is more easily understood than my earlier wording) are not going to be griefed, because they simply can deal with it and move on.
I have not said anything about immaturity. That's all been said by others. I only feel that people who are emotionally secure, no matter whether they are alpha or omega clones, can't ever be griefed in this game and therefore the introduction of alphas hasn't made it any easier or difficult.
A person reacting to an action doesn't care if it's an alpha or an omega that shot them (or whatever they did). That's not the cause of them feeling griefed. It's their own choice to feel that way and it is at the extreme end of reactions in my view. |
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Posted - 2017.01.08 22:34:26 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Clearly my post was in jest.
Oh, you where only joking?
HEHEHEHE HAHAHAHA
Next?
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Posted - 2017.01.08 22:57:39 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Dracvlad wrote:If they don't get uptight are they unfeeling, uncaring and lack emotion? That's a good question; and no it's not my view that one means the other. Just like many things can be represented by a bell curve, in society how people as a whole react to situations can be represented by a bell curve and within that curve, there is a range of emotion that is generally accepted as 'normal'. For example, if a stranger past me on a walk and said hello, I'd say hello back. That would be normal. But if that same stranger came and gave me a hug, I'd probably be a bit creeped out. Not trying to define absolutes, just trends, norms, etc. So for me personally, in reacting to things that happen in game, there is also going to be a range of emotions and reactions that is perfectly normal..
What if a stranger passing you on the street suddenly beats you till you are unconscious and takes your property?
I dont think you have thought your paradigm through.
Your premise was that a well adjusted adult can differentiate their loss ingame, and control their emotional reaction, as a result of maturity, yet you also stated that "I believe that being griefed by an alpha is like an adult being grieved by a child".
This refers to the difference between adult and child.
We still need an explanation of this "belief".
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Eve Griefer
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Posted - 2017.01.08 23:30:58 -
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Iron Breaker wrote:So I was thinking of picking up EVE again after a few months off. The corp got chased out of null sec after someone dropped a catical l in our space and we had no chance against them guys. Dam shame, I was enjoying it out there.
So before I come back, has the Alpha clone thing just made it easier for griefers to pester casual players?
If it is free to create a toon and go mess with people, and that is your thing, it seems like a no brainier.
It almost seems like every time they do an expansion it just makes it easier for the griefers to mess with people.
Anyway, I just thought I would ask.
Thanks,
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If I wanted to engage the unwilling in non-consensual combat, I'd still want to be an omega. I can't see any benefit to being an alpha for that purpose. No Catalyst, no T2 guns, poorer fitting skills... On the other hand, I have no doubt there are players quite content to team up with other alphas to engage the unwilling.
So not easier, just cheaper.
(And for the record, it's piracy, not griefing I'm training for)
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Posted - 2017.01.08 23:47:22 -
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Eve Griefer wrote:Iron Breaker wrote:So I was thinking of picking up EVE again after a few months off. The corp got chased out of null sec after someone dropped a catical l in our space and we had no chance against them guys. Dam shame, I was enjoying it out there.
So before I come back, has the Alpha clone thing just made it easier for griefers to pester casual players?
If it is free to create a toon and go mess with people, and that is your thing, it seems like a no brainier.
It almost seems like every time they do an expansion it just makes it easier for the griefers to mess with people.
Anyway, I just thought I would ask.
Thanks,
Iron If I wanted to engage the unwilling in non-consensual combat, I'd still want to be an omega. I can't see any benefit to being an alpha for that purpose. No Catalyst, no T2 guns, poorer fitting skills... On the other hand, I have no doubt there are players quite content to team up with other alphas to engage the unwilling. So not easier, just cheaper. (And for the record, it's piracy, not griefing I'm training for) There is nothing preventing a Gallente Alpha character from flying a T1 fit Catalyst for ganking, they are just not going to be as efficient as an Omega pilot...but can still be done. |
Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.08 23:54:28 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Clearly my post was in jest. Oh, you where only joking? HEHEHEHE HAHAHAHA Next?
You thought I was serious with that? Really?
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.09 00:15:46 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:
You thought I was serious with that? Really?
Did you think it was funny, or repudiated the point? Really?
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.09 00:19:21 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
You thought I was serious with that? Really?
Did you think it was funny, or repudiated the point? Really?
Shall I now throw a fit that you aren't answering my yes/no question with a yes or no?
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Salvos Rhoska
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Posted - 2017.01.09 00:22:11 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:
You thought I was serious with that? Really?
Did you think it was funny, or repudiated the point? Really? Shall I now throw a fit that you aren't answering my yes/no question with a yes or no?
No, I did not think it was funny, or a joke. Just an excuse to sideline. I have now answered your question.
It is now incumbent on you to answer mine as well.
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Teckos Pech
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Posted - 2017.01.09 01:46:52 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:
It is now incumbent on you to answer mine as well.
To quote you,
Salvos Rhoska wrote:Im under no obligation to provide you with anything.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
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Posted - 2017.01.09 04:30:24 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Dracvlad wrote:For example Jonah tried to hire mercs to kill me because I had hurt his feelings, but the Mercs told him no because it was not worth it, and do you know what that gave me a huge buzz, because I had won Eve for me. I put some feelers out with reference to placing a contract on you, not because you had hurt my feelings but because you're a bit of an arse, the general consensus of opinion was that YOU'RE not worth wasting my money on. No price was mentioned, nor was it a serious dialogue; with many jokes being made at your expense. You had a feeling that I was an arse, so I hurt your feelings by being an arse with you so you put feelers out, yes they made jokes at my expense on which I am so not bothered, but that is all they can do, just like you, which as I said makes me very happy... I would like to thank others for picking up on this immature thing thrown around at people who get uptight over a competitive game, which can be a perfectly normal reaction to a loss in any competitive game. If they don't get uptight are they unfeeling, uncaring and lack emotion?
Back when I studied abnormal psychology the professor used to say "Don't worry about the people who are depressed on a cold rainy day. Worry about the ones who are always the same no matter what is going on around them".
I get to wondering sometimes about the effects of Ritalin. ADHD, and SSRI drugs given to kids, more and more of which grow up to play Eve.
So perhaps there is reason to be concerned for someone who has everything they own in a freighter and loses it and does not bat an eye. All those high-loss ganks were with players who were so space rich they didn't care.
Good thing ship scanners cannot detect whether a player can handle it or not - but background research on gankees might indicate the chance of fishing for such players for the extra tears.
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Posted - 2017.01.09 06:02:21 -
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Eve Griefer wrote: If I wanted to engage the unwilling in non-consensual combat, I'd still want to be an omega. I can't see any benefit to being an alpha for that purpose. No Catalyst, no T2 guns, poorer fitting skills... On the other hand, I have no doubt there are players quite content to team up with other alphas to engage the unwilling.
So not easier, just cheaper.
(And for the record, it's piracy, not griefing I'm training for)
Another use for an Alpha Clone, that you point out is They are Cheaper. If there is a need for Cannon Fodder, then Alpha Clones are the way to go.
a few Alpha Clones in T1 fit Frigates aren't much of a threat, but 100 Alpha Clones in T1 Fit Frigates, then it starts to become a threat. |
Dracvlad
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Posted - 2017.01.09 07:43:12 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:You're looking at it from character capabilities, I'm looking at it from player maturity. People that are mature don't get upset by things that happen in a video game.
But each to their own. Everyone is entitled to an opinion.
This is what you said, so by implication any one that gets upset is immature, so is not an adult and so implication is a man-child so worthy of only contempt.
Eve is different to many games in that losses do matter, which is why there is more emotional capital in the game, it is not like other games where you get born again with all your stuff as if nothing happened, so you have a stake in it, this is what makes it appealing to so many, but it also creates emotional capital. I don't know what planet you are on in terms of what you said but showing emotion on losing something that cost them time and effort to get is entirely reasonable and not a sign of immaturity, just as getting a high on blowing someone up in a game is not a sign of immaturity.
We have go gloriously off topic as per the norm but in reality it was just to show you that throwing out such wild accusations is immature intellectually, but I am not calling you immature as such, just suggesting that you up your forum game.
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Scipio Artelius
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Posted - 2017.01.09 07:58:09 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:You're looking at it from character capabilities, I'm looking at it from player maturity. People that are mature don't get upset by things that happen in a video game.
But each to their own. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is what you said, so by implication any one that gets upset is immature, so is not an adult and so implication is a man-child so worthy of only contempt.] Didn't we go through this already? Maybe not. I don't know anymore. It's just an opinion.
However, the 'by implication' is your interpretation. It is not my intent at all. |
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:You're looking at it from character capabilities, I'm looking at it from player maturity. People that are mature don't get upset by things that happen in a video game.
But each to their own. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. This is what you said, so by implication any one that gets upset is immature, so is not an adult and so implication is a man-child so worthy of only contempt.] Didn't we go through this already? Maybe not. I don't know anymore. It's just an opinion. However, the 'by implication' is your interpretation. It is not my intent at all. But all this focus on just one post when there are so many other valuable contributions in the thread. My position is clear and hasn't changed. It is expressed in a few posts in this thread, most clearly in post #101, thanks to much clearer expression than I seem to have managed up to that point. It doesn't seem worth all the effort to dissect it. I am no one important or special. Just a person with a view like any other. Incorrect interpretations and misrepresentations are a bit tiring at this point, at least where they claim that I mean something I haven't written. My position is confined to only what I have said. Any other interpretation is fine, just not if attributed to me.
That is what you wrote, either you meant it or you did not, words are clear, you express your opinion on this forum like many, and we often say things in the heat of the moment, I just proved to you that what said here is incorrect by giving the example of tennis players breaking their rackets at bad line calls. What I cannot say is what went through your mind when posting it, I suspect that you wanted to call all people who get upset at being blown up and by definition those you define as carebears as immature and their views as being immature, but only you know that.
I find this name calling rather tiresome, I also had a big laugh at Malcanis who thought he was being smart but really did not cover himself in glory with that type of post, I linked his post to a number of people who thought he was a complete idiot for that post, seriosuly funny to be honest.
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Posted - 2017.01.09 08:28:02 -
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Dracvlad wrote:That is what you wrote, either you meant it or you did not, words are clear, ... I did mean it. Yes.
I didn't mean other things that I did not write, but that has been said I did mean.
Unfortunately once again, it doesn't matter what clarification is provided, it'll just be used to push a different message. I'm not interested in that. I meant what I wrote. I stick by it. I didn't at all mean any of the extrapolations of my words. |
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