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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 17:06:27 -
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So, I have been exploring Hi-sec for 3 hours.
Found 8 wormholes and 1 gas-site. Something has to be off. Not exactly doin millions an hour on data-sites here.
Heron
1 x Core Probe Launcher I with scanner probes.
1 x 1MN Afterburner 1 x Civilian Data Analyzer 1 x Civilian Relic Analyzer 1 x Scan Pinpointing Array I 1 x Scan Rangefinding Array I
2 x Nanofiber Internal Structure I
2 x Small Gravity Capacitor Upgrade I
I miss my IS-7
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Bertok Francis
Raiju
2
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Posted - 2017.01.07 17:09:43 -
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What part of hisec are you in? I found recently that the area around Apanake is pretty full of sites. I was going ot bring a heron down there but have not yet. You really should get tech 1 analyzers though. The civilian ones are bad. |
Kazual Jayde
Virgin Plc Evictus.
9
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Posted - 2017.01.07 17:32:39 -
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Luck of the draw.
Hi-sec sites usually go quickly in high population systems. |
Aaeriele
Nobody in Local Of Sound Mind
68
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Posted - 2017.01.07 18:35:12 -
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Hi-sec exploration is probably the least lucrative due to the high competition you face for sites. Try moving away from market hubs and heavy traffic areas to quieter systems, but really to find more valuable sites you probably want to go out of highsec.
You could also try going into some of those wormholes: https://www.thealphasguide.com/reference/wormholes/
The Alpha's Guide to the Galaxy // EVELink - A better set of Python bindings for the EVE XML API
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 19:39:14 -
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Wormholes are a future priority. Need to hone down the probing and hacking skills before that.
Absolutely need cloak-device too.
Drones could maybe improve my odds to survive too.
I miss my IS-7
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 19:44:48 -
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@Bertok Francis
Bertok part seems good. maybe around SoE territory then.
I miss my IS-7
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Roel Yento
Death Row inc
50
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Posted - 2017.01.07 19:52:36 -
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If you find a wh out to null then there are lots of empty areas where you can take your time exploring too. You have local wich is free intel and if you are worried can high tail it back to hs. One site in null will pay for several t1 explorer ships. As for drones helping you survive, they won't. Anyone ganking your t1 explorer is gonna out dps you. |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:09:42 -
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Roel Yento wrote: As for drones helping you survive, they won't. Anyone ganking your t1 explorer is gonna out dps you.
Read about some ECM (?) drones that could buy you some extra seconds if somebody jumps you.
I miss my IS-7
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Memphis Baas
2715
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:20:29 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:So, I have been exploring Hi-sec for 3 hours.
You and 5000 other newbies have been exploring Hi-Sec for 3 hours.
Once somebody goes to an exploration site and loots the container or whatever, it disappears. Takes a while for another site to appear.
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Wander Prian
Art Of Explosions Hole Control
348
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:34:01 -
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Also, lose the civilian modules. They are only useable in the tutorials and career agents. They won't work in real exploration sites.
Wormholer for life.
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Roel Yento
Death Row inc
51
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:39:51 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Roel Yento wrote: As for drones helping you survive, they won't. Anyone ganking your t1 explorer is gonna out dps you. Read about some ECM (?) drones that could buy you some extra seconds if somebody jumps you. Inside wormhole.
I know what ecm drones are, been used against me many times. T1 frigs blow up so fast he will barely get them out and have a lock on. I asume you have ganked explorers before, you should know how fast they pop. Notmally an explorer who is about to get ganked focuses on aligning out and warping off. Targetting and launching drones is secondary. They may save him true but no need to wait for having the skills before going into a wormhole. |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:43:21 -
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Roel Yento wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote:Roel Yento wrote: As for drones helping you survive, they won't. Anyone ganking your t1 explorer is gonna out dps you. Read about some ECM (?) drones that could buy you some extra seconds if somebody jumps you. Inside wormhole. I know what ecm drones are, been used against me many times. T1 frigs blow up so fast he will barely get them out and have a lock on. I asume you have ganked explorers before, you should know how fast they pop. Notmally an explorer who is about to get ganked focuses on aligning out and warping off. Targetting and launching drones is secondary. They may save him true but no need to wait for having the skills before going into a wormhole.
Im so noob you wouldnt know. Babysteps here, tryin to soak in info from around. Looks so easy on Youtube and whatnot.
As many have pointed out, will upgrade analyzers.
I miss my IS-7
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2616
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Posted - 2017.01.07 20:50:09 -
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Many hisec areas are picked clean very fast is what you are seeing.
If you go into wormholes, bookmark your entry, bring extra scanner probes. You probably will get blown up, but you might profit and live to tell the tale. You will definitely have fun and hopefully learn also.
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
EvE links
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Alaric Faelen
Sabotage Incorporated Executive Outcomes
415
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Posted - 2017.01.07 21:22:18 -
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It's high sec. And just as overcrowded and milked dry high sec is, low and null are nearly empty and going to waste.
Get out of high sec and problem solved. Use your D-Scan....that's about all it takes. If something is in-bound, you warp out, cloak, whatever. Most of the time there will be no one for miles. Fly something cheap so losing it doesn't matter- an evening raiding sites in null sec will pay for several ships.
Better yet, build up some skills and a small fleet. That way you can make use of whatever you scan down. Gas sites, Wormholes, combat sigs, etc. I ran relic/data sites for awhile but kept a gas huffing Venture handy for when I found a wormhole. It was just a side hobby to the content I was looking for...but broke up the boredom when I hit a dry spell. |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1015
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Posted - 2017.01.07 21:38:36 -
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Quote:[Heron, Lulu]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Relic Analyzer I Scan Acquisition Array I Scan Pinpointing Array I Scan Rangefinding Array I
Core Probe Launcher I Prototype Cloaking Device I [Empty High slot]
Small Emission Scope Sharpener I Small Emission Scope Sharpener I [Empty Rig slot]
Sisters Core Scanner Probe x16
Try one of these!
@lunettelulu7
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ergherhdfgh
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
1827
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Posted - 2017.01.07 22:05:47 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote: Absolutely need cloak-device too.
A cloaking device is a very nice tool to have. However it is not required and certainly not an "absolute need". It just allows you to be lazier but if you learn how to make safe spots and learn how to use D scan you certainly can scan down an entire wormhole system from a safe spot, without a cloak.
One thing that I used to do when feeling overly paranoid is that I would make several safe spots on opposite sides of the solar system and then I would warp around between them and do my scanning while in warp. But if you just make a safe spot and then watch D scan you should be fine to sit in one spot.
Keep in mind that you will loose ships. When I say safe I am speaking in relative safety. However with wormhole income you should be able to more than afford the ship losses. If the cost of replacing is a ship is keeping your from exploring wormholes then send me an in game mail and I'll buy a handful of Heron's for you an contract them to you at the market hub of your choosing. |
Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 23:03:28 -
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Okay
Went inside 2 wormholes. Both looked bleakish (color). Said "another place in space" or something.
For some reason both had 2 warpdisrupter thingies that came up on D-scan. Nothin else showed up. Lotsa circled squares (places, stuff).
Didnt want to risk Heron so I exited both almost directly.
Babysteps.
I miss my IS-7
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2017.01.07 23:27:23 -
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Oh, one question to all you who suggested fittings.
Why isnt afterburner better?
Warpdrive gives huge signature and seems that warpdisrupters are common in wormholes?
I miss my IS-7
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Orlacc
957
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Posted - 2017.01.08 00:09:02 -
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Only way to make isk exploring is WH or Null. That said, wait for the skillz
"Measure Twice, Cut Once."
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2616
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Posted - 2017.01.08 00:33:25 -
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Wormhole colours older (circa 2014) but perhaps useful
Wormhole Glossary
EvE security zones in pictures
EvE quick reference pdf
EvE links
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Memphis Baas
2720
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Posted - 2017.01.08 00:55:03 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Why isnt afterburner better?
Warpdrive gives huge signature and seems that warpdisrupters are common in wormholes?
An AB is designed to be used always-on, for situations where you need a bit of speed to kite PVE targets with predictable behavior.
A MWD, on the other hand, will drain your capacitor fast, so it's more of an "oh ****, get out!" module. Burn towards the gate/wormhole so you can escape back through it, burn out of a bubble so you can warp away; these situations require the huge speed, and if you're not successful within a second or two, you're dead, so the capacitor drain doesn't matter.
Your ship is a probing ship. You'll be spending the majority of the time sitting, cloaked or not, with your probes out, looking at the map. Thus, you don't need speed (AB or MWD) to perform your main role of probing out sites.
Therefore, the MWD is a better choice than the AB because it offers you some PVP survivability, whereas the AB does absolutely nothing for you.
The warp drive's huge signature is a balancing effect that was added by CCP on purpose. I don't know if you realize, but giving a ship 5x speed (from MWD) gives it 5x damage reduction, because weapons and missiles can't track anything that fast. The MWD would make you invulnerable to damage while it moves you out of range, which would be too powerful for a module. So they added the huge signature penalty so your ship still gets hit by weapons at about the same rate; this way the MWD gives you the advantage of being able to get away from a situation, but doesn't also make you invulnerable while you do so.
EDIT: Warp disruptors do NOT turn off your MWD; warp scramblers do. Look at the range of a warp scrambler; 7.5 - 10km? Your MWD makes you go 2 km/s; should be easy to get out and stay out of a scram's range, no? It's a couple seconds of gamble / skill at playing the game, don't let the guy get close. |
Roel Yento
Death Row inc
52
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Posted - 2017.01.08 01:57:53 -
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Trasch Taranogas wrote:Oh, one question to all you who suggested fittings.
Why isnt afterburner better?
Warpdrive gives huge signature and seems that warpdisrupters are common in wormholes?
With an afterburner, anyone that scrams or disrupts you will be able to stay on you unless they make a mistake. They will probably have a microwarp drive and you have no scram to shut theirs off. If they have an after burner then they will keep pace and probably have a webifier anyways.
If you have a mwd, you can get from can to can faster, burn back to a wormhole before they can lock and web you usually, burn out of a disruption bubble faster as well. A lot of relic and data sites in wormholes have you land 40km or more from first can so it also helps cut the time being exposed. The faster you can get to the cans and hack, the less time you will be exposed to ganks.
We normally have most of the sites in our wormhole chains scanned down already so you may never see probes to get an idea someone is looking for your site. Also most wormholers fly in cloaky ships so we can pop up next to you asap. If you are in a site that hasn't been scanned and you stay there a while, you can get combat probed in one or two scans too by someone that knows what they are doing. You will barely see the probes out. Many wormholers are patient and will wait long amounts of time watching until they are ready to attack.
All of that said, there are lots of quiet wormholes where you won't see activity, lots of lazy people that don't scan down all the sigs also so you might not get ganked. If you see someone or probes on dscan in a wormhole though, get back to a safe and bounce from safe to safe. If there is a high sec exit then might want to just head back so they don't camp you in. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58245
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Posted - 2017.01.08 04:57:12 -
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Trasch Taranogas,
I'm gonna say all of the info posted here is good, especially for more experienced players.
However advising you, a brand new player who is still learning the basics, to go into null or w-hole space is just plain wrong.
To find more exploration sites, look for high sec areas that are far from major trade and mission systems. Check star map and look for dead-end pockets and pipelines of systems with low amount of population (active players docked and also in system), low amount of jumps, low amount of ship / pod kills, low amount of NPC kills, etc..
Also be prepared to do a lot of traveling as an explorer. Set up various routes in different areas and have each route consists of 8 to 12 systems. If one route seems to be void of sites, travel to another route. Also run each route at different time zones to see when the best time is for each route. Eventually you'll know which route to go do no matter what time you log into the game.
Definitely train up your Core Fitting skills mixed in with ship support and career skills. Start with Tech 1 equipment and work your way into Tech 2 equipment. As an explorer the last thing you want is to be seen so speed, agility and cloak is your number one defense. I would not fit a MWD. It's a Powergrid / CPU hog that makes it very tough for newer players to do a good ship fit. Not to mention it inflates your signature making you much easier to lock.
Spend some time researching various topics of interest relating to your chosen career such as skills, ships, equipment and tactics. Doing google search and browsing the various Eve Online sub-forums here will help you gain lot's of good info. Definitely practice and build up experience with probing quickly, making Safe Spots and working with Directional Scanner before you attempt to explore high level areas such as Null / W-hole space.
Good luck to you, hope you have a long and rewarding career here.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2017.01.08 10:31:39 -
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Oh maan.
Once again, this forum delivers.
Thank you all for this insight.
I miss my IS-7
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MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1144
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:44:28 -
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One other detail, when you have the scanning window up, between where the probes are listed and the known objects in space, there are two little drop-down menus. The rightmost one is for your ignored objects, and then there is one next to it, 'filtered' maybe (I'm running from memory, not at the PC). For two hours I was flying around and could not find anything and I was getting really annoyed until I noticed that I had somehow accidentally checked off items in that list and could not see them. (I think there are hotkeys for it which is how I screwed myself up)
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2017.01.09 19:18:50 -
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Hi everybody!
Can you believe this ****!
Today I have, with my other character (explorer), done what you all have thought me and urged me to do. I have explored wormholes and lo-sec for over 4 hours!
IN MY IBIS!
During this time I got podded only ONCE.
Got caught in a warp-bubble, boom.
Otherwise it has been smooth riding, avoiding, bookmarking, d-scanning, probing, hacking... you name it.
Unfortunately Ibis is not the best explorer and I took the cheapest minimum fittings I could, so sorry, no big loots.
The Rifter is bad
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2017.01.09 20:07:59 -
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I mean Im happy!
This gave me something more valuable than loot.
Confidence.
The Rifter is bad
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Trasch Taranogas
State War Academy Caldari State
59
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Posted - 2017.01.09 22:44:08 -
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ergherhdfgh wrote:Trasch Taranogas wrote: Absolutely need cloak-device too.
One thing that I used to do when feeling overly paranoid is that I would make several safe spots on opposite sides of the solar system and then I would warp around between them and do my scanning while in warp. But if you just make a safe spot and then watch D scan you should be fine to sit in one spot.
Alaric Faelen wrote:It's high sec. And just as overcrowded and milked dry high sec is, low and null are nearly empty and going to waste.
Get out of high sec and problem solved. Use your D-Scan....that's about all it takes. If something is in-bound, you warp out, cloak, whatever. Most of the time there will be no one for miles. Fly something cheap so losing it doesn't matter- an evening raiding sites in null sec will pay for several ships.
Better yet, build up some skills and a small fleet. That way you can make use of whatever you scan down. Gas sites, Wormholes, combat sigs, etc. I ran relic/data sites for awhile but kept a gas huffing Venture handy for when I found a wormhole. It was just a side hobby to the content I was looking for...but broke up the boredom when I hit a dry spell.
These 2 posts are gold.
There really was lots of gas-sights in wormholes (and more wormholes).
(One more thing. Got scared of my own probes in D-scan, kept warping around until I realised they were mine. )
The Rifter is bad
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Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
61
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Posted - 2017.01.10 09:25:20 -
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One advantage of having a 'patch' of low activity space that you patrol is that scanning goes MUCH faster. Simply bookmark everything you scan down, using the first three letters of the sig in the bookmark.
For example: XYZ Gas Site
The next day, compare all the sigs that show up on your scanner to your list of bookmarks. 'Ignore' any sigs that you already have bookmarked, and delete any bookmarks that no longer have a corresponding signature (they've despawned). Now you only have to scan down the signatures that have appeared since your last visit!
This is so much faster than coming to each system blind, as you will currently be doing by dipping in and out of wormholes. This efficiency allows you to cover more systems in the same amount of time, increasing your chances of finding the kind of sites you want.
If you like reading about low sec piracy or faction warfare, you might enjoy my blog.
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Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1635
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Posted - 2017.01.10 10:14:00 -
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I passed a lot of relic and data sits in Solitude yesterday. Just look for systems with less than 500 jumps in the last 24 hours and you can hack one or two sites per jump. |
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