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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.09 00:41:56 -
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Can't imagine what point you think you're making.
You basically just described citadel defense working exactly as intended, which is to say that it is a force multiplier, and not a replacement for actually showing up to defend your assets.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3040
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Posted - 2017.01.09 01:17:21 -
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Lothar Mandrake wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Can't imagine what point you think you're making.
You basically just described citadel defense working exactly as intended, which is to say that it is a force multiplier, and not a replacement for actually showing up to defend your assets. Let me clarify. I'm not making a point. I am trying to get others to weigh in. Other than the attackers movements just like a flock of birds (nice job ladies and gents), the whole thing was BORING! If that's CCP's objective, Congrats! They made citadel fights BORING! Even the attackers were "Ho Hum" about it during and after the fight. The fight (sorry, there was no real fight, that requires 2 sides).....I mean the attack itself was uninteresting. Something as BIG as a structure or citadel should be able to handle the 1st hundred or so attackers. Defenders in ships should take out the rest. It's sad when NPC mining fleets have better hit points than a citadel!
So basically what you're saying is that nobody showed up to defend it, and this is somehow the fault of the citadel?
And, not to **** in your cheerios or anything, but re: the coordinate ballet-like motion of the attackers?
Yeah, they all just hit approach on one guy.
It's called "anchoring".
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
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Posted - 2017.01.09 01:58:30 -
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Lothar Mandrake wrote:Now you're bringing defenders into it which defeats the whole point. I would like to see the same Battle Report with only the structure defense kills and no pilots. I should put up a citadel and hire The Horde to kill it. I'll only use citadel defenses to fight back. That way I can show you in print what I mean. Keep it focused. I'm trying to show the issues with the ASML's very limited abilities. That mechanic needs a shot of Viagra.
Do you have any first-hand experience with citadel combat, citadel launchers, or hell, any aspect of PvP other than losing freighters to wardecs and bizarre lowsec carriers to PL?
Because nobody cares about the opinions you've formed based on some casual observations you didn't really understand.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3052
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Posted - 2017.01.09 19:21:57 -
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Dracvlad wrote: Why not one man you ask, simple these things should not be easy and require effort, that is what I said to you before, they should require a proper military campaign of bringing in allies etc., not a jolly jape to pop one which is what they are now...
They do, when they're defended.
It's a "jolly jape" to pop most of them because that's the exact same level of consideration that was given to their deployment.
People throw up structures with no plan, capability, or desire to defend them, relying solely on people opting not to attack them (because it's annoying, time consuming, and not really worth it) to keep their asset safe.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3092
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Posted - 2017.01.15 17:33:17 -
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APHRATTOS wrote:So I was lookinf though killboards the other day and i noticed that there seems to have been no ships killed in high sec by an Astrahaus. https://zkillboard.com/ship/35832/kills/ Have I missed something or are they realy that terrible? Null sec citadels with the point defence and void bomb launchers are powerfull but in high sec an Astrahaus which on paper should be able to neut, jam and put out over 2000 dps cannot kill anything!
Correct!
Quote:This needs a to be looked at by someone.
Incorrect!
Engage your braincase for a minute and realize that means that the defenders didn't even kill anything the citadel had engaged.
Most of those died completely undefended, because most of the people who put up structures in high sec are relying on boredom and luck as a defense strategy.
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3092
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Posted - 2017.01.15 18:13:52 -
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Bertok Francis wrote:[ This also means that no astrahaus in all of hisec has been on a killmail ever. Most are probably undefended but all of them having been undefended is unlikely. Also, in total the astrahaus has only been on about 100 killmails (an oddly high number of their kills are from pandemic legion and pandemic horde and I am not sure why; it's about 30%)
I'm betting over 90% of highsec astras die completely undefended. You're welcome to flip through astra battle reports to make the case that they don't.
So far I've seen one BR where a scorpion and two bombers shows up to tackle a dozen pirate BS and another 8 or so proteus, which...
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