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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.09 12:31:11 -
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While checking my standings on my other character I happened to notice last month at the end of December I took a massive hit to a NPC corp. I got literally a -75% for pod killing a flashing yellow criminal in hi sec. Now I am not talking about sec status loss, it was unaffected as he was flashing yellow. But to the corp in question my standing went from 0 to -7.50 in 1 transaction due to this.
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Has anyone ever lost standing to NPC corps for killing players?
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
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Posted - 2017.01.09 13:08:39 -
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Yes, it happens and it is intended. Best solution is to not shoot pods. Simple right?
You lose standings even if you blow a pod in a duel. Security rating and Standings are two distinct things, and Standings as a system in EVE are utterly broken and long overdue an overhaul. I don't think CCP is going to fix this on our lifetime though. |
Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.01.09 13:48:37 -
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Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship. |
NofriendNoLifeStilPostin
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2017.01.09 13:56:24 -
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further evidence of how **** CCP really are.
That clown CCP Falcon should have been fired a dozen times over for failing to address community concerns.
scamming is allowed because CCP is unwilling to spend the money to police it, not because "EVE is a harsh place" bullshit cop out excuse. |
Demonspawn 666
The Dirty Rejects ChaosTheory.
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:09:32 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote: RANT RANT BUTTHURT
If you are that passionate about scams... you've obviously been burned before!
I've got some cheap plex for you, look me up in jita, no scam, honest!
The Dirty Rejects are recruiting!
Come play with me...... I like being played with!
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Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat Snuffed Out
3837
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:10:58 -
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NofriendNoLifeStilPostin wrote:further evidence of how **** CCP really are.
That clown CCP Falcon should have been fired a dozen times over for failing to address community concerns.
scamming is allowed because CCP is unwilling to spend the money to police it, not because "EVE is a harsh place" bullshit cop out excuse.
No wonder they are trying to sell it.
wut?
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
846
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:17:33 -
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I second this. Wut?
What does standings have to do with scamming? |
Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:13:00 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.
Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat Snuffed Out
3837
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:15:41 -
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join a corp
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ISD Fractal
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
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Posted - 2017.01.09 16:06:41 -
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Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Lena Crews
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:06:55 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Lena Crews wrote:Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship. Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.
There is flashing. Normally blue rather than yellow though (at least in the US). And it's not the driver it's coming from. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3046
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:33:04 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Lena Crews wrote:Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship. Its not often I see the driver flashing yellow from committing a criminal act.
Flashy yellow didn't make criminal action. Criminal action trigger a flashy red. |
Eve Griefer
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.09 18:08:43 -
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As it happens, there had been another thread recently about standings loss (to DCM) and the effects it has if you warp into a belt where the DCM NPCs are.
Working as intended I guess. |
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
3304
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Posted - 2017.01.09 21:17:19 -
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Don't worry, there are only two corps you should be a bit careful, Deep Core Mining and Brutor Tribe, because they have relevance in PvE / market. The rest does not matter. I'm -8.46 (unmodified) with my own NPC corp.
I'm my own NPC alt.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2017.01.09 23:45:26 -
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I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5706
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Posted - 2017.01.09 23:52:05 -
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Oh god....
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5706
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:19:09 -
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Lena Crews wrote:Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship.
A real world comparison to a game...
FYI, you'll get a standings loss for killing a DCM ship that attacks you. That is, a DCM player warps in and engages you, you respond and in self defense destroy his ship. Congratulations on your standings loss.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
5706
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:20:06 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud.
Have you looked at your diplomacy skill? What is your standings with the Caldari?
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design."--Friedrich August von Hayek
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Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1318
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:26:35 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud. What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter. |
Wanda Fayne
422
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:33:33 -
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Standings loss for killing an NPC corp member ship is about 0.03%. Standings loss for podding them... priceless!
your comments just confirms this whole idea is totally pathetic
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
62
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:34:43 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud. What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter.
It appears to be that way, but the problem is I have done so much to keep my standings up with that character to a very large portion of corporations, the fact I am now stuck with negative standings which can only be fixed by making more negative standings with someone else is stupid.
This does not encourage me to continue to do anything down this path further, or really, to continue to invest large amounts of time to play EvE.
While most people do one thing or another, this is what I did, and to be completely screwed by shooting someone who is flashy yellow is a little much. Then to further complicate it that it cant be repaired unless I lose some other standing that I worked hard on does not encourage playing.
I just wish CCP cared about the hard work I did as much as I do, but apparently I was wrong to bother. Congrats CCP you allowed a entire new level of griefing to destroy years of work and you aren't doing anything about it.
This is where I see myself out of EvE. |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1318
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Posted - 2017.01.10 00:47:52 -
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This is a really silly non-problem you have there. It's not like corp standings matter. |
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord
127
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Posted - 2017.01.10 07:24:35 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Lena Crews wrote:Is it broken though?
I mean... how many deliveries would you have to do for UPS for them to forgive you for blowing up one of their trucks and killing the driver?
Might be right for that to take a ton of effort to repair that relationship. A real world comparison to a game... FYI, you'll get a standings loss for killing a DCM ship that attacks you. That is, a DCM player warps in and engages you, you respond and in self defense destroy his ship. Congratulations on your standings loss.
To keep up with the RL examples: a good number of soldiers hate the soldiers on the other side, even if both are in regulars armies. During WWI machine guns crews were often killed even when they surrendered, as they where hated by the infantry. Even without the hate part, a member of an enemy army will fire on sight on you.
In EVE, if you are know to be an enemy of one faction, the members of that faction fire on you as soon as they can. It is only normal.
Considering the numbers of NPC corp members that I have "killed", it is only normal for them to fire on sight at me. |
Shayla Etherodyne
Delta Laroth Industries Voxis Accord
127
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Posted - 2017.01.10 07:29:04 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud. What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter. It appears to be that way, but the problem is I have done so much to keep my standings up with that character to a very large portion of corporations, the fact I am now stuck with negative standings which can only be fixed by making more negative standings with someone else is stupid. This does not encourage me to continue to do anything down this path further, or really, to continue to invest large amounts of time to play EvE. While most people do one thing or another, this is what I did, and to be completely screwed by shooting someone who is flashy yellow is a little much. Then to further complicate it that it cant be repaired unless I lose some other standing that I worked hard on does not encourage playing. I just wish CCP cared about the hard work I did as much as I do, but apparently I was wrong to bother. Congrats CCP you allowed a entire new level of griefing to destroy years of work and you aren't doing anything about it. This is where I see myself out of EvE.
Maybe you shouldn't engage in PvP untly you know how it work? You podded him without checking his allegiance. If he had been with a player corp you could have received a wardec. As he is a part of a NPC corp you received a huge standing loss with that corp.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2017.01.10 08:31:34 -
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Shayla Etherodyne wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:I don't get how I am supposed to fix this. I went to the NPC corp but it says to even take a level 1 mission that I have to join the war.
Does that mean I have to join factional warfare to even be able to do level 1 missions?
Whatever happened to being able to do level 1 missions no matter what?
About as clear as mud. What's the Corp? Sounds like NPC Militia to me, in which case, unless you intend to join factional warfare on that side it really doesn't matter. It appears to be that way, but the problem is I have done so much to keep my standings up with that character to a very large portion of corporations, the fact I am now stuck with negative standings which can only be fixed by making more negative standings with someone else is stupid. This does not encourage me to continue to do anything down this path further, or really, to continue to invest large amounts of time to play EvE. While most people do one thing or another, this is what I did, and to be completely screwed by shooting someone who is flashy yellow is a little much. Then to further complicate it that it cant be repaired unless I lose some other standing that I worked hard on does not encourage playing. I just wish CCP cared about the hard work I did as much as I do, but apparently I was wrong to bother. Congrats CCP you allowed a entire new level of griefing to destroy years of work and you aren't doing anything about it. This is where I see myself out of EvE. Maybe you shouldn't engage in PvP untly you know how it work? You podded him without checking his allegiance. If he had been with a player corp you could have received a wardec. As he is a part of a NPC corp you received a huge standing loss with that corp.
I should not have to worry about killing a flashy person period, the fact is he could of attacked me and if I had killed him the results would have been the same. This is not acceptable, it is also stupid that you could exploit this mechanic and it is deemed normal gameplay.
Apparently you worry about war decs, I don't, but standings I do care about since they take so long to grind. Letting players be able to negatively change my standing with an NPC corp especially when I have a much higher status in that faction than them, is beyond dumb.
CCP doesn't seem to care to much about standings, they keep making them more and more irrelevant then make it easier and easier to screw the next player over. Apparently they have never done the work required to have good standings and take it to be meaningless, this Is sad as I have said to see so much work mean so little to the people in charge. As I have said I wont continue to bother to care when they don't, and will just move on. Seriously I come back after finding standings with NPC corps is meaningless for jump clones then to find this out, its just sad, and where is the benefits they added with the negatives? Nonexistant
I laugh about being punished for pvp to a criminal, good luck explaining that to the rest of the gaming community. |
Agondray
Avenger Mercenaries VOID Intergalactic Forces
389
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Posted - 2017.01.10 08:37:04 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:While checking my standings on my other character I happened to notice last month at the end of December I took a massive hit to a NPC corp. I got literally a -75% for pod killing a flashing yellow criminal in hi sec. Now I am not talking about sec status loss, it was unaffected as he was flashing yellow. But to the corp in question my standing went from 0 to -7.50 in 1 transaction due to this.
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Has anyone ever lost standing to NPC corps for killing players?
I feel you some one made the same comment and I looked at my standings and I was nearly shoot on site for some of the npc corps due to shooting flashy red people, ive spent the better part of 3 weeks running lvl 1s to keep form being sos and such just to lower some empire standings because they kept giving me anti empire storylines or multiple antiempire missions where I was running out of agents.
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
63
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Posted - 2017.01.10 08:41:34 -
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Agondray wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:While checking my standings on my other character I happened to notice last month at the end of December I took a massive hit to a NPC corp. I got literally a -75% for pod killing a flashing yellow criminal in hi sec. Now I am not talking about sec status loss, it was unaffected as he was flashing yellow. But to the corp in question my standing went from 0 to -7.50 in 1 transaction due to this.
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Has anyone ever lost standing to NPC corps for killing players?
I feel you some one made the same comment and I looked at my standings and I was nearly shoot on site for some of the npc corps due to shooting flashy red people, ive spent the better part of 3 weeks running lvl 1s to keep form being sos and such just to lower some empire standings because they kept giving me anti empire storylines or multiple antiempire missions where I was running out of agents.
If a UPS driver breaks in your house and you shoot him dead, it is very legal. The UPS company wont be able to retaliate by getting you cumulative negative standings either.
In EvE if you defend yourself from a criminal you are penalized.
It took until now to notice this was a problem?
Great programming, I don't think I will miss it on LoL. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the posing meat Snuffed Out
3837
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Posted - 2017.01.10 09:55:40 -
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personally i think you should be kicked from npc corps for major standing losses, force you to stop hiding under the protection of npc corps.
so basically you really just want to be able to shoot people but be protected at the same time?
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Sugar Smacks
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.10 09:59:27 -
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Lan Wang wrote:personally i think you should be kicked from npc corps for major standing losses, force you to stop hiding under the protection of npc corps.
so basically you really just want to be able to shoot people but be protected at the same time?
Because the alt I post on is in an NPC corp you assume my main character must also be in one.
Amusing.
You could take players in NPC corps entirely out of EvE and I don't think I would care. In fact I would promote that solution entirely. |
Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3046
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Posted - 2017.01.10 14:05:58 -
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Sugar Smacks wrote:Agondray wrote:Sugar Smacks wrote:While checking my standings on my other character I happened to notice last month at the end of December I took a massive hit to a NPC corp. I got literally a -75% for pod killing a flashing yellow criminal in hi sec. Now I am not talking about sec status loss, it was unaffected as he was flashing yellow. But to the corp in question my standing went from 0 to -7.50 in 1 transaction due to this.
Has this ever happened to anyone else? Has anyone ever lost standing to NPC corps for killing players?
I feel you some one made the same comment and I looked at my standings and I was nearly shoot on site for some of the npc corps due to shooting flashy red people, ive spent the better part of 3 weeks running lvl 1s to keep form being sos and such just to lower some empire standings because they kept giving me anti empire storylines or multiple antiempire missions where I was running out of agents. If a UPS driver breaks in your house and you shoot him dead, it is very legal. The UPS company wont be able to retaliate by getting you cumulative negative standings either. In EvE if you defend yourself from a criminal you are penalized. It took until now to notice this was a problem? Great programming, I don't think I will miss it on LoL.
Your current UPS example does not apply in all countries.
You also shot a flashy yellow and not a flashy red. This guy was not criminal but suspect.
The retaliation part is also irrelevant to real life as corporation in EVE have rights which does not exist in real life.
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