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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.09 14:57:27 -
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Contract: Service Requisition Category: Mercenary Security: >0.0 War Declaration: Possible Duration: Open Ended Constellation of Occupation: (REDACTED) Compensation: Shared Profits Estimated Value: (REDACTED) Primary time zone: East Coast USA, some EU
Lynchpin Limitations is a new High/Low sec industrial corp with industry situation pvp content. This requisition is for the acquisition of a mercenary corp services which include:
+Destruction of hostile or otherwise space vehicles which could pose a threat to industrial assets. +Forced removal of competing interests. +Assumed fleet command during risky operations. +Planning of dangerous missions including communicating intentions to non-combat personnel prior to operations. +Any required training of personnel to achieve intended outcomes as required. +Any scouting bookmarking or otherwise to achieve intended outcomes. +Combat fleet maintenance and logistics.
This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:
-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work -Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2 -Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity -Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis. -Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.
Interested parties are to mail me the requested information. Corporations determined to meet the scope of the contract will be contacted with more specific Terms and Conditions of the contract as well as compensation details. Requests for information may or may not be filled.
This request will be active until 1/15/17 |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3510
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Posted - 2017.01.09 15:13:30 -
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Symmitry wrote: Compensation: Shared Profits
Unless you intend to match goons mining in delve I don't see this being a big sell point
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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.09 16:37:32 -
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Noragen Neirfallas wrote:Symmitry wrote: Compensation: Shared Profits
Unless you intend to match goons mining in delve I don't see this being a big sell point
Oh. I was unaware that Goons hired every merc corp.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20043
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:16:35 -
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What the rent boy is trying to say to you is , You're asking to own a Merc group for an indefinite period. That's not happening without an absurd amount of isk changing hands.
Symmitry wrote: -Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2
Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts. No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
Lords.Of.Midnight currently recruiting
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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.09 17:35:51 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:What the rent boy is trying to say to you is , You're asking to own a Merc group for an indefinite period. That's not happening without an absurd amount of isk changing hands. Symmitry wrote: -Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2
Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts. No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.
An unwillingness to verify capabilities is an automatic disqualification. Thank you for your interest. |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2817
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Posted - 2017.01.09 18:16:40 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts. No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.
I'm with Ralph on this one. While target confidentiality is often compromised by the public nature of wardec mechanics, employer confidentiality is one of the few things actually held sacred here in C&P and the merc community at large.
With those requirements coupled with your decidedly indeterminate monetary offer, you will likely have far more success with actually recruiting combat pilots to join your corp than you will recruiting mercenaries to do the work for you.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.09 18:35:16 -
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Bronson Hughes wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Client confidentiality is quite important in these parts. No one here will share that information.<----- emphasise on the period.
I'm with Ralph on this one. While target confidentiality is often compromised by the public nature of wardec mechanics, employer confidentiality is one of the few things actually held sacred here in C&P and the merc community at large. With those requirements coupled with your decidedly indeterminate monetary offer, you will likely have far more success with actually recruiting combat pilots to join your corp than you will recruiting mercenaries to do the work for you.
compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion.
Thank you for your interest in doing business with Lynchpin Limitations LLC. The |
Bronson Hughes
The Knights of the Blessed Mother of Acceleration
2817
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Posted - 2017.01.09 18:42:30 -
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Symmitry wrote:Thank you for your interest in doing business with Lynchpin Limitations LLC. Don't ever mistake someone pointing out a critical flaw in your business plan as that person taking interesting in participating in your business plan.
Relatively Notorious By Association
My Many Misadventures
I predicted FAUXs
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YeuxVerts Belle
Viziam Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.01.10 08:21:04 -
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Symmitry wrote:compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion.
Translation : Before even concluding a contract, you're asking the mercs to give you confidential information. With the "promise" you won't share it. If confidentiality is important to them (which it seems to be), then it won't work, because : 1- Giving you the information means they rely on your confidentiality skills to keep their information secure. 2- Giving you confidential information before any contract is agreed upon is a one-way street.
Also, the payment is a joke. If i were a merc, i'd simply walk away. A lot of them probably did.
I advise you to review and revise the terms of your contract.
The above message presents my opinions on the topic at hand. If there is a conflict between my views and reality, consider reality to be correct until proven otherwise.
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Savoycabbage
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2017.01.10 09:25:38 -
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Symmitry wrote:
This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:
-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work -Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2 -Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity -Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis. -Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.
Let me get this straight...you're asking a Merc corp to provide you with precise details of their numbers, previous clients, standard doctrines and activity times. All without any guarantee of a contract at the end or any real details of what you want them to do?
Sounds awfully like a phishing exercise to me... |
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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.10 13:21:42 -
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YeuxVerts Belle wrote:Symmitry wrote:compensation and additional contract details will be discussed along with terms and conditions ONLY with qualified corporations who both meet the requirements. Any information deemed private in nature will not be released, however as the RFI indicates any interested parties must provide two contacts who may or may not be contacted at our descretion. Translation : Before even concluding a contract, you're asking the mercs to give you confidential information. With the "promise" you won't share it. If confidentiality is important to them (which it seems to be), then it won't work, because : 1- Giving you the information means they rely on your confidentiality skills to keep their information secure. 2- Giving you confidential information before any contract is agreed upon is a one-way street. Also, the payment is a joke. If i were a merc, i'd simply walk away. A lot of them probably did. I advise you to review and revise the terms of your contract.
That's right. A merc group is in the business of assuming risk. If they cannot shoulder the business risk then I have no interest in exposing myself to additional risk by doing business with them. It's not like I am asking for more information than I couldn't hunt down on my own anyway.
Hey look, this is how business contracts are done. It wasn't posted here for criticism. Either play ball or keep ganking T1 haulers and roam low sec looking targets.
Btw conclusion means to finish. I want to know the merc corp I am dealing with isn't a joke before I waste time talking about terms and conditions or negotiating payment. I think the word your looking for is "offering" |
Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.10 13:29:18 -
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Savoycabbage wrote:Symmitry wrote:
This is a request for interest. Interested mercenary corporations interested in a contract of this nature are required to provide:
-Evidence of 2 months history doing this work -Brief summary of previous experience including specific references to 4 previous clients and direct contact references for a minimum of 2 -Specific background details on intended commander(s) for the contract including at a minimum months of experience in pvp situations, fleet command experience, and time of activity -Force availability. This shall be a rough description of what can be fielded and combat ready at this time during fleet commanders time of activity. I am looking for maximum numbers as well as what can be expected to be available on a daily basis. -Typical contract values that your corp is experienced with servicing.
Let me get this straight...you're asking a Merc corp to provide you with precise details of their numbers, previous clients, standard doctrines and activity times. All without any guarantee of a contract at the end or any real details of what you want them to do? Sounds awfully like a phishing exercise to me...
Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.
If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements. |
Ro Fenrios
Armilies Corporation Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2017.01.10 14:04:04 -
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I am not sure if there us merc corp willing to accept Job like this unless you are paying good money for it. I would propose cheaper and by long term more beneficial option. I once did this and it worked Just fine for My corp:
Befriend local low sec alliance/Group and deal with them. Sure it requires some diplo but I have seen low sec fellas often to be quite reasonable. They might kill you few times at first but with right attitude and talking to people you get surprisingly far.
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Savoycabbage
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2017.01.10 14:43:01 -
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Symmitry wrote:
Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.
If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements.
I don't speak for my Alliance, but I get the feeling that you're going to be disappointed and have a fundamental misunderstanding of how business arrangements are made in Eve or in general.
In this particular situation the reputations of the Mercenary Corps are established and can be explored by reading these forums and looking at zkill etc. Anyone who reads these forums regularly knows the various alliances and can vouch for their respective specialities. Additionally, those clients who want to be identified have made themselves known on these boards or elsewhere in the community.
The unknown entity is you. You are asking for a large amount of sensitive information with no reputation to back it up. Nor are you offering any offset for the risk you are asking the corps to make. You are the one who needs to shop around and get the best quote for what you want. |
Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.10 15:16:41 -
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Ro Fenrios wrote:I am not sure if there us merc corp willing to accept Job like this unless you are paying good money for it. I would propose cheaper and by long term more beneficial option. I once did this and it worked Just fine for My corp:
Befriend local low sec alliance/Group and deal with them. Sure it requires some diplo but I have seen low sec fellas often to be quite reasonable. They might kill you few times at first but with right attitude and talking to people you get surprisingly far.
Thanks for a friendly reply. We are inquiring to this option because the things we want to do are not restricted to a singular local.
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Symmitry
Lynchpin Limitations LLC
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Posted - 2017.01.10 15:29:18 -
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Savoycabbage wrote:Symmitry wrote:
Absolutely that's what I am asking for, except for doctrines. I really don't care as long as it gets the job done. Again, I'm not asking for anything more than I couldn't figure out on my own. I am paying for said services, not vice versa.
If you want to do business with Lynchpin Limitations with a contract of this nature then I want to know that you are capable of fulfilling contract requirements.
I don't speak for my Alliance, but I get the feeling that you're going to be disappointed and have a fundamental misunderstanding of how business arrangements are made in Eve or in general. In this particular situation the reputations of the Mercenary Corps are established and can be explored by reading these forums and looking at zkill etc. Anyone who reads these forums regularly knows the various alliances and can vouch for their respective specialities. Additionally, those clients who want to be identified have made themselves known on these boards or elsewhere in the community. The unknown entity is you. You are asking for a large amount of sensitive information with no reputation to back it up. Nor are you offering any offset for the risk you are asking the corps to make. You are the one who needs to shop around and get the best quote for what you want.
I beg to differ sir. I know quite well what I am doing. Again I am not really asking for that much, as you yourself have stated. Thebonly thing I am asking for that I cannot confirm on my own is time zone alignment, proper amount of force for our application, and verifiable quality of work. Quite frankly I have no interest in communicating details of the contract with anyone who does not meet these requirements more do I have the inclination to research every merc corp then find out if they are interested.
I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to. |
Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3512
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Posted - 2017.01.10 18:10:14 -
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So my first post was a hint that 'shared profits' is too vague to bother with as the vast majority of msally 9 day old corps aren't going to have a huge profit margin to share or be worth the time invested in both protecting you and commiting to grinding down presumably a few structures of what ever competing intrests are in the area.
The next issue with your contract is it has no area listed. It doesn't need to be specific but it should include the region or at leaset the NPC empire that owns the area of high/lowsec you wish to attempt your setup in so the local groups to those areas who also do mervenary work might bother to get in touch.
Finally your attitude is terrible towards the people who have given you advice about your posting here. If I were looking for a new potential client and saw how receptive you were to advice from somebody of Ralphs experience and calibre I wouldn't look twice at your proposal after reading the comments section
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop
ISD Max Trix favourite ISD
'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local Break-A-Wish Foundation
4725
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Posted - 2017.01.10 19:38:13 -
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this could be posted as a guide on how not to hire a mercenary |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
20063
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Posted - 2017.01.10 20:38:09 -
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Symmitry wrote: I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to.
This is an informal business based entirely on reputations (hard won over years) and the credible trust that those reputations command.
Right off the batt you're asking any and all potential service representative to throw their professional integrity, And something that in all likelihood would never be regained (trust), out the window just to deal with you.
The reason I'm explaining this to you is, I don't think you realise exactly how insulting you are coming across.
Seriously, older, larger and far more capable groups than ye have been ripped apart for far far less.
Murderers of Negotiable Motivations
Lords.Of.Midnight currently recruiting
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Savoycabbage
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2017.01.11 09:01:55 -
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Symmitry wrote: I beg to differ sir. I know quite well what I am doing. Again I am not really asking for that much, as you yourself have stated. Thebonly thing I am asking for that I cannot confirm on my own is time zone alignment, proper amount of force for our application, and verifiable quality of work. Quite frankly I have no interest in communicating details of the contract with anyone who does not meet these requirements more do I have the inclination to research every merc corp then find out if they are interested.
I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position. any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to.
I was going to write a response to this, but I think Ralph has covered it better than I ever could |
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Vipsan Agrippa
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.11 13:10:40 -
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Symmitry don't let these weathered old seadogs get u down.
From a customers perspective I have hired nearly all the major merc alliances in hisec of note (, except BAW, Candy Van & Devils).
The following is a thumbnail-sketch to point you in the right direction:
Top of my list is Marmites and Vendetta. If the tgt is closest to Jita go for Kromius' guys; closest to Hek or on the major pipes Marmite. Both CEO's understand good leadership and run a tight ship.
Next comes PE, for German efficiency they will go most anywhere if the isk is right.
Pirat come fourth on my list of good alliances, but are my first choice if the tgt is near Amar.
I have only heard good things about BAW ( quotes are high, but u get what u pay for), Candy Van and Devils ( when Morts is not sleeping with my mother).
There are some great smaller outfits I have not mentioned, if you want more details just email.
Key is be respectful to their CEO's when negotiating and build up a good repour, over time they my even give you a discount.
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
2037
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Posted - 2017.01.12 01:05:30 -
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*looks at OP*
Chribba or GTFO.
Because why should anybody trust you?
Seriously.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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StonerPhReaK
Herb Men
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Posted - 2017.01.12 03:08:32 -
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Symmitry wrote: descretion.
Rippy is that you?
Signatures wer cooler when we couldn't remove them completely.
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc. Legio De Mortem
3517
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Posted - 2017.01.12 05:23:26 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:*looks at OP*
Chribba or GTFO.
Because why should anybody trust you?
Seriously. I would have said that too but how do you get him to hold the fee when the fee isn't even a thing until they have setup and are making a profit
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Noragens basically the Chribba of C&P - Zimmy Zeta
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop
ISD Max Trix favourite ISD
'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King Griffin
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Vipsan Agrippa
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.12 06:34:03 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:*looks at OP*
Chribba or GTFO.
Because why should anybody trust you?
Seriously.
Pull your head in Michelle,
You try hard to sound like a merc, you are just a hapless Code flunky. You knock real mercs like Holy, who sits on over 13,000 kills. Then take the pisss out of potential merc customers. How many merc contracts have the Gerbils taken??
Remind the good people how many kills you have since 2012? Even Nitshe has clocked up more kills, n he has only been around since morning tea.
Why should anyone take YOU seriously. |
Savoycabbage
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2017.01.12 08:46:38 -
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Vipsan Agrippa wrote:Pull your head in Michelle, You try hard to sound like a merc, you are just a hapless Code flunky. You knock real mercs like Holy, who sits on over 13,000 kills. Then take the pisss out of potential merc customers. How many merc contracts have the Gerbils taken?? Remind the good people how many kills you have since 2012? Even Nitshe has clocked up more kills, n he has only been around since morning tea. Why should anyone take YOU seriously.
Although he has more kills than you...as the saying goes, post on your main or gtfo |
Vipsan Agrippa
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.12 09:12:59 -
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SourKrutz,
Its good you hold Michelle's hand she is such a delecate petal, I'm not a merc nor ever pretend to be, but would Vendetta ever recruit the Gerbils into your alliance?
Don't need to answer Cabbagepatch it was a rhetorical question. |
Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy The Bastard Cartel
633
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Posted - 2017.01.12 15:21:36 -
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Symmitry wrote:I am NOT changing the format of how I am going to do business because certain parties are not interested in verifying ability on a false premise of "security". I am finished defending this position, any party that cannot comply with these simple terms frankly is not worth giving ISK to. Based on these two sentences, then I am sorry to inform you, you will have no business at all.
Sneaky bastard.
Complaints Department is recruiting!
We got wardecced, ohnoes!
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Savoycabbage
The Phoenix Rising Vendetta Mercenary Group
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Posted - 2017.01.13 08:54:20 -
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Vipsan Agrippa wrote:SourKrutz, Its good you hold Michelle's hand she is such a delecate petal, I'm not a merc nor ever pretend to be, but would Vendetta ever recruit the Gerbils into your alliance? Don't need to answer Cabbagepatch it was a rhetorical question.
My my, resorted to petty name calling have we? Pretty pathetic and unimaginative name calling at that.
Let me know if you ever actually plan to log into the game rather than sit trolling on the forums. Or maybe if you plan to post with your main? That would be nice so we can actually see whether you have anything at all to back up your BS. Unlikely as that may be |
Vipsan Agrippa
State Protectorate Caldari State
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Savoycabbage wrote:
My my, resorted to petty name calling have we? Pretty pathetic and unimaginative name calling at that.
Let me know if you ever actually plan to log into the game rather than sit trolling on the forums. Or maybe if you plan to post with your main? That would be nice so we can actually see whether you have anything at all to back up your BS. Unlikely as that may be
Ok, Ok, S-a-v-o-y-C-a-b-b-a-g-e, Enough of the homoerotic posturing by me and you.
Brassica-Oleracea!
You me back of the Poco at planet 3 in the J 104210 system. I'll be waiting for the next 15min. Noragan will officiate.
If you are not there in the appointed time, I'm going to place your sour-cabbage on my long bratwurst and eat you for dinner.
Let it be known Brassica-Oleracea talks the talk, but does he walk the walk? All vege n no meat?
15min n counting........ |
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