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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2007.04.16 12:42:00 -
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I look at EVE and just think CCP just makes it difficult to play as a pvper, when this should be embraced. See my points below
1) There is so much high sec that cuts out 80% of places to fight without getting killed by police.
2) not really that much low sec around compared to high sec and 0.0, plus when you do get in there you attack anyone then you get a sec hit (and a high one at that which takes ages to get back up), you get aggression timer and you get sentries hitting you and you cant dock and you cant leave system, so basically what a waste of time even attempting to fight in low sec.
3) someone attacks you and you fight back and your still get an aggression penalty!!
4) They nerf WCS to a silly amount and then up the scramble strength on the basic war scram! so now if you want to try get away you cant or you have to fight close up cos your target range is non existant!
5) PVP is just boring, target and fire and watch some go pew pew or whoosh, how exciting is that!
6) You cant change mods whilst undocked so I know ive now got to think of all those potential people i may bump into and guess bascially if im gonna get the right setup, not much of a chance there then.
7) Anyone can camp a station, more so gangs and so people effectively playing the game they are PAYING for are just doing nothing, $14 per month for what sitting in the station, great nice one CCP.
8) Why do you get gate jump penalty when fighting in 0.0!!
9) Bring*****pit views!
10) There are sooo many mods its ridiculous
11) It costs far too much to PVP, ships and mods just cost a fortune, if yu want to pvp all the time, well you just cant afford to! and then they moan about ppl buying isk, bring down the market prices and people might be able to afford stuf!
12) The difference between T1 and T2 prices are silly, lets pay 10mill more for 2% better quality!
13) Stop the 0.0 monopolies! Limit the number of systems people can own. small alliances cannot take on D2, BoB etc thus they just get bigger and stronger.
theres prolly more but hey tahts enough to get on with!
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Eleana Tomelac
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.04.16 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
1) There is so much high sec that cuts out 80% of places to fight without getting killed by police.
You can declare wars in empire, and look again at the map, it's not 80%.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
2) not really that much low sec around compared to high sec and 0.0, plus when you do get in there you attack anyone then you get a sec hit (and a high one at that which takes ages to get back up), you get aggression timer and you get sentries hitting you and you cant dock and you cant leave system, so basically what a waste of time even attempting to fight in low sec.
There are many low sec pirates and some are successfull, maybe you should talk tactics with them.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
3) someone attacks you and you fight back and your still get an aggression penalty!!
This is to allow gangs or corps to answer aggression.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
4) They nerf WCS to a silly amount and then up the scramble strength on the basic war scram! so now if you want to try get away you cant or you have to fight close up cos your target range is non existant!
Kill the tackler and then get away.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
5) PVP is just boring, target and fire and watch some go pew pew or whoosh, how exciting is that!
Ever heard of tactics? Electronic warfare? moving ships, stuff like that... There are many other things to do else than activating weapons at the closest target in pvp. It usually gets my fingers busy.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
6) You cant change mods whilst undocked so I know ive now got to think of all those potential people i may bump into and guess bascially if im gonna get the right setup, not much of a chance there then.
That's the hard thing in PvP, you have to fit a general setup or... Fight in gang!
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
7) Anyone can camp a station, more so gangs and so people effectively playing the game they are PAYING for are just doing nothing, $14 per month for what sitting in the station, great nice one CCP.
Take some time to make bookmarks straight ahead the station, at at least 400 km straight out the exit, with the exit velocity, even an industrial ship can warp there before it is scrambled.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
8) Why do you get gate jump penalty when fighting in 0.0!!
Good question!!
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
9) Bring*****pit views!
Was this supposed to be a FPS?
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
10) There are sooo many mods its ridiculous
No, it's cool, makes your ennemies unpredictable and... makes you being unpredictable!
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
11) It costs far too much to PVP, ships and mods just cost a fortune, if yu want to pvp all the time, well you just cant afford to! and then they moan about ppl buying isk, bring down the market prices and people might be able to afford stuf!
You can PvP with not too expansive setups, even more when in a gang.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
12) The difference between T1 and T2 prices are silly, lets pay 10mill more for 2% better quality!
T2 is usually 20% from T1 (not named)... Invention, if tweaked correctly (CCP is trying, we'll see in a month if the prices get better) will make the unexplained very high prices of a few modules and ships go down.
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
13) Stop the 0.0 monopolies! Limit the number of systems people can own. small alliances cannot take on D2, BoB etc thus they just get bigger and stronger.
The problem is not that they have sovereignty on systems, it's just how the outer security of their territory is set. The power is in the number of pilots, you need pilots to camp the gates to your territory. -- Pocket drone carriers (tm) enthousiast ! Flying Vexor and Ishkur, Myrmidon was too slow, got ganked by 3 BC and a Megathron... |
Syntosk
Amarr Ticon Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:16:00 -
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Yeah, PVP in eve sucks, i suggest you to quit the game...
May i have your stuff? -- "Purge the unclean..."
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Thomas Maleficus
Caldari all professions
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:22:00 -
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WOW, that was a lot of buhu in one post. WOW do you really belong in EVE? Maybe they have a place for you in another game then. WOW
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Emylissan
Gallente European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.16 14:30:00 -
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Strange you ask carebears to quit when they whine about to much pvp and you do the same to those who whine about pvp is to difficult to start.
Maybe you are the one who should leave and play counterstrike, there you have 100% pvp, no trade, no npc, only other real player to shoot.
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2007.04.16 15:09:00 -
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well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
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annab
Amarr FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 16:54:00 -
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Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 16:53:51
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
My advice if you can't deal with the way the game works is find a new one. You should look at freelancer or x3.
By the way just because no one has agreed with you don't mean you should have a go and name call everyone. Try working on those social skills they are very helpful in RL and the virual world. You may need to stop hanging out with WOW/EMO kids.
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr Vure
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Posted - 2007.04.16 17:27:00 -
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Well on point 5 you have all rights of this world, but I think the game will be much more based on player skills when CCP will put in Heat Up and Sub system Targetting.
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Emylissan
Gallente European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.16 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: annab Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 17:02:28
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
My advice if you can't deal with the way the game works is find a new one. You should look at freelancer or x3.
By the way just because no one has agreed with you don't mean you should have a go and name call everyone. It makes you look immature and stupid.
Try working on those social skills they are very helpful in RL and the virtual world. You may need to stop hanging out with WOW/EMO kids.
This game has a much higher level social ability. Something a immature kid will never understand until he grows up.
So its more mature to advice someone to leave when he disagrees about game mechanics than to do so?
I would call it more mature to accept that not everybody has the opinion you have than to ask anyone to leave who thinks different than you.
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annab
Amarr FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Emylissan
Originally by: annab Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 17:02:28
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
My advice if you can't deal with the way the game works is find a new one. You should look at freelancer or x3.
By the way just because no one has agreed with you don't mean you should have a go and name call everyone. It makes you look immature and stupid.
Try working on those social skills they are very helpful in RL and the virtual world. You may need to stop hanging out with WOW/EMO kids.
This game has a much higher level social ability. Something a immature kid will never understand until he grows up.
So its more mature to advice someone to leave when he disagrees about game mechanics than to do so?
I would call it more mature to accept that not everybody has the opinion you have than to ask anyone to leave who thinks different than you.
My first part of my advice was to point out some games that he could try. Hes wants a first person space sim. I gave him some options. What he wants is everyone to move from a RPG to FPS. Not very hard for CCP to do just rewrite the whole game and add joystick control in.
The part after would was a bearing on his low and inmature remark about the other peoples post who disagreed with him.
Do we really want to have someone that is that inmature they can't deal with the fact other players disagree with him. He'll have a brake down is someone podded him.
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Emylissan
Gallente European Science Armada
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Emylissan on 16/04/2007 18:21:50 I agree that the controles in EVE should stay as they are now, no joystick and such. But i didnt saw anything about the ask for more controlers or did i miss something?
But on the other side it wont change the whole game when some more manuvers are added to the game than only aproach, circle around and hold distance. But this isnt part of this thread i think.
Beside that i think EVE is very unique between all the games out there and cause of that you can hardly say that eve is that kind of game and not that kind of game. On one side its an rpg but on the other side its more pvp focused than most fps i found, yet. The roleplay possibilties most "rpg" (roleplaying game) has are nearly not existent in eve, a first step to that will be that walk in stations but there i already hear the whining of the hardcore pvper that ccp should work at the bugs first. But than when someone compares eve with everything but an rpg they say "go to wow"....
like you say eve is rpg when it fits you and its not when that fits you more..
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:27:00 -
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Originally by: annab
Originally by: Emylissan
Originally by: annab Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 17:02:28
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
My advice if you can't deal with the way the game works is find a new one. You should look at freelancer or x3.
By the way just because no one has agreed with you don't mean you should have a go and name call everyone. It makes you look immature and stupid.
Try working on those social skills they are very helpful in RL and the virtual world. You may need to stop hanging out with WOW/EMO kids.
This game has a much higher level social ability. Something a immature kid will never understand until he grows up.
So its more mature to advice someone to leave when he disagrees about game mechanics than to do so?
I would call it more mature to accept that not everybody has the opinion you have than to ask anyone to leave who thinks different than you.
My first part of my advice was to point out some games that he could try. Hes wants a first person space sim. I gave him some options. What he wants is everyone to move from a RPG to FPS. Not very hard for CCP to do just rewrite the whole game and add joystick control in.
The part after would was a bearing on his low and inmature remark about the other peoples post who disagreed with him.
Do we really want to have someone that is that inmature they can't deal with the fact other players disagree with him. He'll have a brake down is someone podded him.
What absolute tosh, so because so love the game so much, no one else can disagree with the mechanics? Its pathetic that people defend a game so much that if anyone says anything they got on the defensive, how immature is that I love pvp and infact i encougrage ppl to get out and fight and stop whining about losing a ship, so please dont judge something you know nothing about.
I why the hell does everyone compare this game to bloody WOW!!! its not the same game, and infact people who play eve are the minority 70000 subs to 6 million is well a big difference so infact people who play wow could come and say stop being such and old fart and such a serious geek, we have 6 million people on our side and enjoy WoW, and you have a measly 70000, they would laugh at you.
And infact for the record im 34 and the head of development for a huge company!! So i know what im talking about!
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Hermosa Diosas
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:34:00 -
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And yes i have X3 and freelancers and they are much better, shame they didnt become MMOs But there is another called infinity which looks amazing
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Vimos Ziggy
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:43:00 -
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Basically you have made the same mistake as a lot of people have made. Eve is not a pvp game. There is so much more. The carebear versus PvP is one that rages consistently. Personally not one to sit on the fence I think PvP is basically kids playing army. I agree with the other posts that if all you want is PvP action then you are not going to get it with this game and perhaps you may be happier playing something else. Believe me I have considered it after sitting in a station for a week because our corp was war decced.
I also believe that it has become axiomatic that Eve is beyond criticism. Something that needs to addressed because it is certainly not perfect. It is peculiarly unique however in that CCP often comes in for criticism suggesting that there is a genuine feeling that the Eve universe is truly a player created universe. This alone in my view makes it worth sticking with.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.04.16 18:50:00 -
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Edited by: Vincent Almasy on 16/04/2007 18:47:36 1a) Wardec in high sec 1b) once more lowsec and 0.0 is populated will there be a need to exspand it, right now they are trying to get people into it. More of such space now would be a waste.
2a) look at 1b 2b) kill someone and the cops don't like it aos they will show it with a sec hit. 2c) sit it out in a safe spot of five you should have.
3) if you engage in combat you better commit to the fight or flee, nothing halfas*ed
4)look at 3
5) Umm pvp is killing a pc vs killing a npc, what game is it different?
6) you can do so at a POS. and there is no autp win set up.
7) if you want to gatecamp or station camp in a gang that is your choice. No one is making anyone do anything, don't want to follow a corps orders, then quit the corp and get new allies/friends.
8) this should be changed to alliance own's hands then NPC for 0.0(save pirate regions) space.
9)umm there is no co<kpit.
10)lots of mods means lots of tactics and more fun as for pvp you'll never know what the other person is planning.
11a) use t1 non named cruisers for combat untill you can get more of a reliable cash flow for better ships and parts and remember to insure ya ships. And t1 modules are rally cheap. 11b) as for market price it is set mostly by ore price for t1 goods with a 5% profit rate.
12) If you don't want t2 don't buy t2. Problem solved.
13)If you put the limit to 20 systems, guess what, there will be tones of alliances joined together and have a unoffical alliance of D2 or BoB. This is more dangerous as each alliance now can focus on those 20systems and each can more easily micro manage things then one supper force.
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annab
Amarr FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Hermosa Diosas
Originally by: annab
Originally by: Emylissan
Originally by: annab Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 17:02:28
Originally by: Hermosa Diosas well if your happy with paying for a game that hinders you then hey you go ahead my little lemmings. go follow the crowd, please please dont say anything about my precious eve. jeez and as soon as something better comes along like infinity then yes i will be moving to another game :)
My advice if you can't deal with the way the game works is find a new one. You should look at freelancer or x3.
By the way just because no one has agreed with you don't mean you should have a go and name call everyone. It makes you look immature and stupid.
Try working on those social skills they are very helpful in RL and the virtual world. You may need to stop hanging out with WOW/EMO kids.
This game has a much higher level social ability. Something a immature kid will never understand until he grows up.
So its more mature to advice someone to leave when he disagrees about game mechanics than to do so?
I would call it more mature to accept that not everybody has the opinion you have than to ask anyone to leave who thinks different than you.
My first part of my advice was to point out some games that he could try. Hes wants a first person space sim. I gave him some options. What he wants is everyone to move from a RPG to FPS. Not very hard for CCP to do just rewrite the whole game and add joystick control in.
The part after would was a bearing on his low and inmature remark about the other peoples post who disagreed with him.
Do we really want to have someone that is that inmature they can't deal with the fact other players disagree with him. He'll have a brake down is someone podded him.
What absolute tosh, so because so love the game so much, no one else can disagree with the mechanics? Its pathetic that people defend a game so much that if anyone says anything they got on the defensive, how immature is that I love pvp and infact i encougrage ppl to get out and fight and stop whining about losing a ship, so please dont judge something you know nothing about.
I why the hell does everyone compare this game to bloody WOW!!! its not the same game, and infact people who play eve are the minority 70000 subs to 6 million is well a big difference so infact people who play wow could come and say stop being such and old fart and such a serious geek, we have 6 million people on our side and enjoy WoW, and you have a measly 70000, they would laugh at you.
And infact for the record im 34 and the head of development for a huge company!! So i know what im talking about!
Sorry about the kid comment just came across that way. However having a go without saying how these changes should be made. Is going to get you the don't change eve people.
From reading your first post most people thought you wanted to change eve into a FPS space sim which for players over 1 plus years to say bye bye to all their training is going to get a big no. I'm not sure if you wanted or not just it smells of it.
I will say eve has lots of problems market and invention being just two. Also graphics are dated well they are nearly 10 years old. However back when eve came out everyone had 56k still speedy.
When I used to play WoW it was full of kids that would insulted you for being new/there/in combat with them. Not like the smack talk you have on eve stuff if said here would get you banned very quickly. Its kind of become a WoW is for teens who have no people skills. I know older players but it takes a small group to distory a games good name.
The fact your 34 doesn't mean much I'm afraid I have a boss aged 47 didn't stop him hitting on my sister aged 18. Aged is how old you are not how old you act.
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annab
Amarr FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 20:02:18 Your*****pit view idea would be a good idea if you could only do one or two things like off/on line modules.
Clones could be given and video of you coming out of the vat. Would be cool. Not a loading bar which although needed is a bit old looking.
If you don't give all the details people think the worst. I came from SWQ after that got change from lots of skills training to get jedi to a few skills. Which killed the game for me and alot of players don't want to see eve go down the pan. Not saying you wanted this but most people automatically think the worst.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:43:00 -
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Also lets me fix a Myth.
Joystick will not mess with skills at all! Reason: Guns still needs the same skills and accuracy skills no amount of piloting would change that. Guns still have the same reload and firing speeds as before, same damage too.
The only reason joystick is not in game is because it would cause more lag feedback.
If you want a little more control use the mouse and double click into space a few times, your ship is align to that space and fire engines up to full all a joystick would do would make it smoother with alot of minor flight tweeks.
More tweeks = more lag. That is the only reason a keyboarder and a joystick user would have the same ability as a toystick would still need a keyboard for active tank and other e-war mods.
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annab
Amarr FireStar Inc
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:51:00 -
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Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 20:49:08
Originally by: Vincent Almasy Also lets me fix a Myth.
Joystick will not mess with skills at all! Reason: Guns still needs the same skills and accuracy skills no amount of piloting would change that. Guns still have the same reload and firing speeds as before, same damage too.
The only reason joystick is not in game is because it would cause more lag feedback.
If you want a little more control use the mouse and double click into space a few times, your ship is align to that space and fire engines up to full all a joystick would do would make it smoother with alot of minor flight tweeks.
More tweeks = more lag. That is the only reason a keyboarder and a joystick user would have the same ability as a toystick would still need a keyboard for active tank and other e-war mods.
What about targeting your not going to use a joystick for targeting or opening market windows? If you could access these as well would it not make the joystick an over sized mouse?
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Reggie Stoneloader
Teikoku Trade Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.04.16 21:07:00 -
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We're way off topic, and I'm late to the party, but here's my reply to the OP:
You're not thinking it through correctly. Some of your points are contradictory. You want low-sec to be bigger, but you hate the rules that are in low-sec. You think sentries are a hassle for PvP because they preclude fights at gates, but you want to boost WCS and allow jumping while aggressed.
I advise you to take some more time to consider the consequences of the changes your complaints seem to recommend. There will still be players out there who are stronger, smarter, and better organized than you are, and they'll still beat you in fights. When your WCS let you escape from fights you're losing, their WCS will allow them to escape from fights you're winning. When you have boundless low-sec with no sentries and no sec loss, there will be thousands of combat ships in it ready to hand you your lilly white butt.
Think less about your personal ego and experience, and think more about the health of the social ecosystem that the game embodies. A forest full of wolves with no deer will not be a good place for wolves.
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Vincent Almasy
Gallente The Underground
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Posted - 2007.04.16 21:33:00 -
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Originally by: annab Edited by: annab on 16/04/2007 21:01:03
Originally by: Vincent Almasy Also lets me fix a Myth.
Joystick will not mess with skills at all! Reason: Guns still needs the same skills and accuracy skills no amount of piloting would change that. Guns still have the same reload and firing speeds as before, same damage too.
The only reason joystick is not in game is because it would cause more lag feedback.
If you want a little more control use the mouse and double click into space a few times, your ship is align to that space and fire engines up to full all a joystick would do would make it smoother with alot of minor flight tweeks.
More tweeks = more lag. That is the only reason a keyboarder and a joystick user would have the same ability as a toystick would still need a keyboard for active tank and other e-war mods.
What about targeting your not going to use a joystick for targeting or opening market windows? If you could access these as well would it not make the joystick an over sized mouse?
Also if it was a*****pit view I could target you from behind and you would have to wait for your lock time to run down by then I could have got off two maybe three shots.
targeting, how would this change, if you mean to allign with a target, you can do that now but you still need to lock onto it, which is still lock time for guns to focus on the target.
as for*****pit view there is no*****pit and you stikk need to lock onto me, the guns are through a ai system to link them all and not a inta fire as guns irl are.
And yes this makes it a giant mouse but if you use lets way the insta fire chance you lose alot.
-In that case you lose your accuracy alot as the guns don't adjust at all and are fixed in one point for better fire making firing at distant targets now taking alor more skill comparted to simplistic as mouse users have a computer do it for them allowing them to have much higher transveral but with the in guns tracking rate.
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ReverendM
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.04.17 03:27:00 -
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[Thread Locked] This is a forum for Features and Ideas. Not complaints about what you don't like and no suggestions for fixes.
Have a problem? Think of a solution! Have a complaint - a rant- but no solutions? Do not post it in Features and Ideas.
-ReverendM
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