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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:19:00 -
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Can some one please let me know as to how it is at all possible to get concorded for shooting a fellow gang members excess loot can they have jettisoned??????
Cos this has to be the worst possible game mechanics issue imaginable. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Idara
Caldari Missioners Anonymous
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:22:00 -
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Well you can't agress people in your own gang unless they're a member of the same corp as you. Probably applies to other things in highsec too. --- The CAOD forums: |
RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:22:00 -
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Do away with concord. Problem solved.
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:23:00 -
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If they were
1) not in the gang when the loot can was created 2) they were not on the same grid 3) if they left the grid and came back
then yes concord will view them as attacking someone else's stuff and respond accordingly. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:23:00 -
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I could think of a few worse possible game mechanics issues.
* Undock button zeroes your wallet * Repairing a ship in dock refines everything in your corp hangar * Rescuing the Damsel in Distress means you have to put up with her constant evemails telling you how much she loves you and wonders when you're going to propose
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:24:00 -
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nope they had been there the whole time salvaging for me while i kiled everything.. at no point did he leave the grid etc............. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO nope they had been there the whole time salvaging for me while i kiled everything.. at no point did he leave the grid etc.............
Then its probably Idara's interpretation
Simply, there are things you can't do in a gang that you can do if you are in a corp. <-----------> Keiron: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=427556&page=2
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:28:00 -
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Well to put it bluntly it is a rubbish and if thats the case why do ore thieves not get concorded for looting members cans etc............. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:29:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO Well to put it bluntly it is a rubbish and if thats the case why do ore thieves not get concorded for looting members cans etc.............
Because jettison cans are considered to be "trash", thus what you put in there you must obviously not care about. This is why there are secure containers.
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Mobius
Amarr Forsaken Empire
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:31:00 -
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shooting a gang members jet can is consider same as shooting the player to concord. So if gang member is not in the same corp concord will respond just as if you blew up someones mining can.
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Roshan longshot
Gallente Ordos Humanitas FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO Can some one please let me know as to how it is at all possible to get concorded for shooting a fellow gang members excess loot can they have jettisoned??????
Cos this has to be the worst possible game mechanics issue imaginable.
Actually its one of the better mechanics they put into the game. ANTI GRIEFER...or lets protect the noobs from nasty griefers.....
Simply put you can not shoot a gang member or his can, unless he is in the same player corp as you.
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:33:00 -
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Originally by: Winterblink
Originally by: MachZERO Well to put it bluntly it is a rubbish and if thats the case why do ore thieves not get concorded for looting members cans etc.............
Because jettison cans are considered to be "trash", thus what you put in there you must obviously not care about. This is why there are secure containers.
Exactly so if rubbish then why the hell do you get concorded???? It is absolute stupidity a secure container is a different issue all together but the fact that you jettison a can then i freely accept that it is rubbish therefore anything should be able to be done to it............ -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:34:00 -
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If you are in a gang then i am sorry you trust the person you are with so it should not affect the players in it.............. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ralara on 16/04/2007 19:39:17 If SHOOT (player) and If (player) (corp) then fine else concord endif.
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:48:00 -
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But then Ralara how can they say that a jettisoned can is free to ransack as it is not wanted which would cause the object to explode but you can not shoot a gang members container????????? This does not make sense in anyway shape or form what so ever there is way to much contradiction in the policy decisions I just hope that this gets sorted out very quickly. If in a gnag you are in a gang therefore you should be able to interact in any way you see fit............ It is stupidty to think otherwise, you can send repr drones on a gang member so why not shoot him if need be to test shields etc. There is no possible viable answer to this bar screwed up mechanics. I would not mind if I had not been in the gang etc. though it still is classed as rubbish but when you gang you are commiting to the players you are with in anyway..... -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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RedFall
Irreligion
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:50:00 -
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Originally by: Ralara Edited by: Ralara on 16/04/2007 19:39:17 If SHOOT (player) and If (player) (corp) then fine else concord endif.
Someone's been taking C classes.
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.16 19:57:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO But then Ralara how can they say
I dunno. "They" (who?) say it, not me. I'm just answering the op's question . How can he be concorded whilst in a gang? By not being in the same corp. And that pseudocode I wrote is probably pretty similar actually, to the gamecode in that respect :)
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Nice Isk. I'll take it. |
MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:04:00 -
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That is fine Ralara but how can they allow certain interaction with what is described as "rubbish" if you do not allow others. How do they allow the use of Repr drones? When i have known a person to launch 4 reprs and a normal by mistake and get concorded for activiating them on his gang member........ These issues do not make any sense what so ever and until some one can come back with a proper answer as to the why's and wherefores (which I might add is impossible) then I will not accept my lose and will continue to seek reimburesment for my ship. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Shaloran Kalior
Gallente Freelance Rising Chaos Incarnate.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:04:00 -
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Im going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have turned off the aggression warning. Because if you havent, then you must have clicked through the "This is an agressive action and CONCORD will come smash your ass if you proceed. Are you sure?" warning.
Its very, very simple. If you are not in the same corp, dont shoot in high sec unless you want to get CONCORDokkened. Whether its them, their can, their wreck or their dog. DON'T DO IT.
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Leandro Salazar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:09:00 -
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Aggro on gangmembers not in your corp getting you concorded was put in to protect st00pid n00bs from griefers. Since the griefers now have a way around it (warring gangs), I think it is time to remove that stupid rule and allow gang members to freely shoot each other again. There always is a warning popup for joining gangs, and people who don't read it, even (or rather, especially) if they are n00bs, deserve to be popped. --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:27:00 -
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I will check my logs to see if there was a warning but to my knowledge the only thing that appeared on the screen was the this server is about to shut down as it was just before DT this morning that it happend. I do not have any warning s turned off apart from the the normal are you sure you want to trade blah blah blah......... -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:27:00 -
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I will check my logs to see if there was a warning but to my knowledge the only thing that appeared on the screen was the this server is about to shut down as it was just before DT this morning that it happend. I do not have any warning s turned off apart from the the normal are you sure you want to trade blah blah blah......... -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO That is fine Ralara but how can they allow certain interaction with what is described as "rubbish" if you do not allow others.
*shrugs*
I don't know. I'm not a dev. OP asks a question, I answered it. I said, I dont know WHY it's like that. I said I find it annoying and I said it's happened to me too.
I don't KNOW why it's like that. Why are you asking me why they allow it? I haven't got a clue as to WHY, I just know it IS
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Nice Isk. I'll take it. |
Ralara
Caldari Lilandri Foundation
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO That is fine Ralara but how can they allow certain interaction with what is described as "rubbish" if you do not allow others.
*shrugs*
I don't know. I'm not a dev. OP asks a question, I answered it. I said, I dont know WHY it's like that. I said I find it annoying and I said it's happened to me too.
I don't KNOW why it's like that. Why are you asking me why they allow it? I haven't got a clue as to WHY, I just know it IS
I'm a corp thief. And remember, I only do it because I like your robot.
Nice Isk. I'll take it. |
MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: MachZERO on 16/04/2007 20:31:41 They deserve to be popped sorry L just read back what you typed. Nice to see how arrogant you are(sorry L just read back sounds harsher than it was meant to) this is an issue of a bugged game mechanic which I am sorry to say is completely and utterly wrong.
A. You take items from a gang members can. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens nothing.
B. You shoot the can of a gang member as it contains rubbish. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens concord.
Please try and explain as to the same resultant which can have two varying avenues. Has two varying responses though the end result ends the same. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: MachZERO on 16/04/2007 20:31:41 They deserve to be popped sorry L just read back what you typed. Nice to see how arrogant you are(sorry L just read back sounds harsher than it was meant to) this is an issue of a bugged game mechanic which I am sorry to say is completely and utterly wrong.
A. You take items from a gang members can. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens nothing.
B. You shoot the can of a gang member as it contains rubbish. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens concord.
Please try and explain as to the same resultant which can have two varying avenues. Has two varying responses though the end result ends the same. -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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Leandro Salazar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:36:00 -
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Originally by: MachZERO They deserve to be popped sorry L just read back what you typed. Nice to see how arrogant you are this is an issue of a bugged game mechanic which I am sorry to say is completely and utterly wrong.
A. You take items from a gang members can. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens nothing.
B. You shoot the can of a gang member as it contains rubbish. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens concord.
Please try and explain as to the same resultant which can have two varying avenues. Has two varying responses though the end result ends the same.
If you calm down and actually read what I write, you just *might* notice that I agree with you that this game mechanic is fubar and since it has been surpassed by creative griefers it should be removed...
Right now people who do not neccessarily deserve it get popped by concord a lot more than n00bs ever got popped by griefers I bet... --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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Leandro Salazar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:36:00 -
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Edited by: Leandro Salazar on 16/04/2007 20:40:00
Originally by: MachZERO They deserve to be popped sorry L just read back what you typed. Nice to see how arrogant you are this is an issue of a bugged game mechanic which I am sorry to say is completely and utterly wrong.
A. You take items from a gang members can. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens nothing.
B. You shoot the can of a gang member as it contains rubbish. The can explodes therefore no more.
What happens concord.
Please try and explain as to the same resultant which can have two varying avenues. Has two varying responses though the end result ends the same.
If you calm down and actually read what I write, you just *might* notice that I agree with you that this game mechanic is fubar and since it has been bypassed by creative griefers it should be removed...
Right now people who do not neccessarily deserve it get popped by concord a lot more than n00bs ever got popped by griefers I bet...
Edit: Damn Edits :P --------- There is no 'n' in turret There is no 'r' in faction There is no 'a' in Kestrel There is no 'e' in Caldari
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:38:00 -
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I had edited my other post :) -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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MachZERO
Minmatar Creative Tendancies
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Posted - 2007.04.16 20:38:00 -
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I had edited my other post :) -------------------------------------- "All that is, Ever was, Will be ever, Twisting, Turning, Through the never" --------------------------------------
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