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CCP Falcon
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:19:28 -
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There's more than a few of us playing EVE, and quite a few working here at CCP too
There's quite a few channels in game for sure, you just need to hunt them down a little!
Can't recommend any personally - bias and all that
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ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
9
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:27:21 -
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Why was my post deleted? I simply asked how asking for a LGBT channel was different from asking for a "white people" channel (which would obviously NOT be allowed). Can someone explain to me what the difference is? Is my ancestry somehow LESS important to my identity then my sexual orientation?
Which brings me to my point. If you allow one, you have to allow the other, or just admit that you're biased to one side. I get that Eve Online is not a democracy, but I would like to hear someone just admit that there is a CLEAR bias towards one special interest group. |
Akane Togenada
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:49:58 -
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ModusOperandi wrote:Why was my post deleted? I simply asked how asking for a LGBT channel was different from asking for a "white people" channel (which would obviously NOT be allowed). Can someone explain to me what the difference is? Is my ancestry somehow LESS important to my identity then my sexual orientation?
Which brings me to my point. If you allow one, you have to allow the other, or just admit that you're biased to one side. I get that Eve Online is not a democracy, but I would like to hear someone just admit that there is a CLEAR bias towards one special interest group.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
438
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Posted - 2017.01.14 00:57:32 -
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ModusOperandi wrote: (stuff).
Nothing stopping you from making a white people channel, but I think you would be alone in it. Yeah I know you were just using that as an example and not necessarily the type to create such a channel. Mostly I think your comment was deleted because it wasn't seen as constructive and appeared to cross the line if only slightly (Not sure didn't see what you posted only what you claim it was about).
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Sweet Adamas
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
25
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Posted - 2017.01.14 01:19:06 -
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Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together |
Neuntausend
Rens Nursing Home
1346
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Posted - 2017.01.14 01:28:33 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together Queer is sort of a blanket term for everyone who is not cisgender and heterosexual. However, not everyone who falls in that category might identify as queer, potentially due to the pejorative origins of the term, while others may wear it like a badge, which is probably why it's "LGBTQ+" instead of just "queer". |
Marsha Mallow
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Posted - 2017.01.14 01:41:22 -
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ModusOperandi wrote:"white people" channel It's called the internet. Hang on, need to find my matches. And some petrol
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Marcus Rintel
Hopper's Hope Mining and Salvage
17
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Posted - 2017.01.14 02:11:58 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together Can only speak of my experiences here in the USA as an Old Schooler.
Queer for the longest in the States was used as a slur against gays. Much like the Fa-word, or N-word. However, in recent years the Gay Community has started to take it back, and turn it into a positive expression. Without going Political, the Identity Politics craze/hysteria/division, along with Social Justice Warriors, has tarnished a lot of the other groups as "wannabes" in the sight of some. Again, this is from my experiences in Florida, in the Gay Community here.
Me personally, I think adding on letters is a unnecessary complication. GLB (gay, lesbian, bi), or GSB (gay, straight, bi) are perfectly fine without the rest of the Letters, and the Identity Politics behind them, interfering.
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Demolishar
United Aggression Corpse Collectors Group
1208
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Posted - 2017.01.14 02:17:59 -
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ModusOperandi wrote:Why was my post deleted? I simply asked how asking for a LGBT channel was different from asking for a "white people" channel (which would obviously NOT be allowed). Can someone explain to me what the difference is? Is my ancestry somehow LESS important to my identity then my sexual orientation?
Which brings me to my point. If you allow one, you have to allow the other, or just admit that you're biased to one side. I get that Eve Online is not a democracy, but I would like to hear someone just admit that there is a CLEAR bias towards one special interest group.
My post was deleted for making a joke about Bacon Lettuce and Tomato sandwiches.
Consider yourself lucky. |
Kairos Antilles
The Scope Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2017.01.14 06:19:31 -
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I am just saddened that there are people feel this compulsion to engage in self-segregation (with a subset who then later declare that they feel excluded, after segregating themselves), and others who feed that compulsion through their own intolerance and bigotry.
You are all my space brothers and sisters, and I refuse to put you in boxes - either of my own definition OR yours. |
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Vortexo VonBrenner
Raumfahrer Spiff Rakett Piloot Anslutning
2626
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Posted - 2017.01.14 06:56:02 -
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I don't think people who share an interest and / or something in common having a chat channel or something are segregating themselves. I don't see that as a big deal. Even corps made of people with a common interest or identity aren't a problem, imo. EvE has and has had many, many such groups / corps. No Problem.
OP, make a channel. You'll probably get people talking there.
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Keno Skir
1164
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Posted - 2017.01.14 08:07:10 -
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You might want to start with "Backdoor Bandit" (character). He runs the Minmatar Gay Rights League and has a medal for Black Hole Probing.. Pretty sure he could help you out, judging by the look of him at least
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ModusOperandi
Celestial Geologics Mineral Concern
12
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Posted - 2017.01.14 09:52:54 -
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Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
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Yeah yeah, you're right. I get it, I really do, and I'm not trying to cause trouble. I just find the whole thing silly. |
Tanthos
Tanthos Corp
138
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Posted - 2017.01.14 10:13:25 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together
As an asexual, I LOATHE being lumped in with this so-called community. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
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Posted - 2017.01.14 11:06:43 -
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Tanthos wrote:Sweet Adamas wrote:Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together As an asexual, I LOATHE being lumped in with this so-called community. If they are lumping you, you belong to LUMPY. Invite only!
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Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2017.01.14 11:49:29 -
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Is there even a way to search for a channel that is intended for this kind of special interest group (i.e. where you'd expect at least a few hundred people potentially interested in taking part)?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find a better way to search for existing channels than typing in a possible name, and looking to see if I got a new channel or connected to an existing one.
After that I lost interest in channels except those that CCP automatically add to new characters' "Channels" window. Even if an interesting special-interest channel was started at some point, too many potential participants (especially new players) will never find it.
FWIW I also think that CCP should provide the possibility for a character to be a member of more than one organization. The "strict hierarchy" of Alliance/Corp/Character may be needed for some things, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing the game should allow. |
Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.14 12:58:57 -
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Here here!
I would love to chat with my fellow TG friends.
List of chats please |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.01.14 14:03:56 -
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Hakawai wrote:Is there even a way to search for a channel that is intended for this kind of special interest group (i.e. where you'd expect at least a few hundred people potentially interested in taking part)?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find a better way to search for existing channels than typing in a possible name, and looking to see if I got a new channel or connected to an existing one.
(...)
You're not missing anything, there is neither a search function nor a list of chat channels. Hilarious, isn't it? |
Lulu Lunette
Savage Moon Society
1075
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Posted - 2017.01.14 19:30:41 -
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The best channel I can think of for a list if anyone is making one is the 'Women Gamers public' channel. I don't hang out in here personally and I'm not a moderator or in the real WGoE (Women Gamers of Eve) channel so I'm not sure what it's really like day-to-day in there but anyways in the MotD it states being trans-friendly.
Here's a link for more information from their MOTD
Gaining access to the secure channel requires a voice interview with one of the moderators.
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Salvos Rhoska
1943
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Posted - 2017.01.14 21:51:09 -
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Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hakawai wrote:Is there even a way to search for a channel that is intended for this kind of special interest group (i.e. where you'd expect at least a few hundred people potentially interested in taking part)?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find a better way to search for existing channels than typing in a possible name, and looking to see if I got a new channel or connected to an existing one.
(...) You're not missing anything, there is neither a search function nor a list of chat channels. Hilarious, isn't it?
There both a search function and a list of chat channels.
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Marsha Mallow
2957
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Posted - 2017.01.14 22:25:31 -
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Hakawai wrote:Is there even a way to search for a channel that is intended for this kind of special interest group (i.e. where you'd expect at least a few hundred people potentially interested in taking part)?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find a better way to search for existing channels than typing in a possible name, and looking to see if I got a new channel or connected to an existing one.
After that I lost interest in channels except those that CCP automatically add to new characters' "Channels" window. Even if an interesting special-interest channel was started at some point, too many potential participants (especially new players) will never find it.
FWIW I also think that CCP should provide the possibility for a character to be a member of more than one organization. The "strict hierarchy" of Alliance/Corp/Character may be needed for some things, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing the game should allow. IMO another set of organizations that allowed many-many relationships and multiple memberships would be a good addition to EVE. It's something I've seen requested a fair bit over time, and have proposed in the past should look something like corp search in the recruitment window.
That said, people are increasingly switching to oog chat systems like slack and discord, which are pretty useful because discord has block/ban admin functionality, and slack has the functionality to log all chats (see tweetfleet slack and log system).
Instead of asking CCP to change ingame chats - which might take a lot of development time - it might be better to home in on these new services and see if someone (cough Steve) can come up with a public database of chat channels that are publicly available so people can search for channels by interest. Generally player run initiatives exceed what CCP can do so it's worth supporting the development of those long term.
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Avaelica Kuershin
Paper Cats
302
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Posted - 2017.01.14 23:13:24 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:Hakawai wrote:Is there even a way to search for a channel that is intended for this kind of special interest group (i.e. where you'd expect at least a few hundred people potentially interested in taking part)?
Maybe I'm missing something, but I couldn't find a better way to search for existing channels than typing in a possible name, and looking to see if I got a new channel or connected to an existing one.
(...) You're not missing anything, there is neither a search function nor a list of chat channels. Hilarious, isn't it? There is both a search function and a list of chat channels.
In the Channels window, there are the options to "Join" or "Create". Where is the search?
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Marcus Rintel
Hopper's Hope Mining and Salvage
17
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Posted - 2017.01.15 01:44:33 -
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+1 on how to search chat channels. Spent 45 mins in game trying to find it.
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46601
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Posted - 2017.01.15 02:41:40 -
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Marcus Rintel wrote:+1 on how to search chat channels. Spent 45 mins in game trying to find it. The only real way is to know how to spell it, or be told/linked/invited by someone else.
Most chat channels aren't password protected. Particularly in large Corps/Alliances, coalition channels that are for all members, many intel channels, etc.
So the lack of search gives each channel some opsec. Would be sort of busted if we could look up local intel channels while roaming and then just lurk in them.
Would be good if when making a channel, there was an opt in to a search function though. That would be a great improvement. |
Hakawai
State War Academy Caldari State
29
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Posted - 2017.01.15 11:13:11 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Marcus Rintel wrote:+1 on how to search chat channels. Spent 45 mins in game trying to find it. The only real way is to know how to spell it, or be told/linked/invited by someone else. Most chat channels aren't password protected. Particularly in large Corps/Alliances, coalition channels that are for all members, many intel channels, etc. So the lack of search gives each channel some opsec. Would be sort of busted if we could look up local intel channels while roaming and then just lurk in them. Would be good if when making a channel, there was an opt in to a search function though. That would be a great improvement. This is a sensible accommodation to the current setup of EVE.
But we could get the same result with another layer of grouping, separate from the current Corp/Alliance thing.
The tech's not so hard, but ofc for CCP there are always competing activities. OTOH I think it would be very high value. I've wanted this in every multiplayer game I've ever played (not that many though - only 3). In each case there was the usual strict hierarchy, and in each case I wanted something more flexible that didn't require the same kind of "loyalty" a Corp usually wants.
I won't give an example because I'm tired of the "if it's not EVE yr a moron" mindset here, but I have a perfect one:
My "normal Corp" activities were a small part of the game for me. I spent over 80% of my time on something else (because it was the most fun the game offered to me - others liked other things ofc). I did this with people I knew and liked playing with, but we had no practical way to link up via a stable game-supported separate grouping. This cost us o+Ñpp+Ñortunities to do things together, and made it a lot harder for pother people to find and join us.
I'm not there, *really* wanting a second layer of in-game organizations, with EVE yet, but I've only played for 8 weeks or so this time. It's likely I will get there later. The lack is very unlikely to make me leave - but having it would have a moderate but significant effect on how likely it is that I stay. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
756
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Posted - 2017.01.16 00:23:25 -
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Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1750
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Posted - 2017.01.16 01:37:45 -
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Sweet Adamas wrote:Question
What is the difference between Gay and Queer. Ive always wondered. And for you old schoolers do you mind so many different groups being lumped in together
Gay is a blanket term used by straight society to cover a range of behaviours. Queer is used in gay media to mean someone who wants their sexuality to be a social irritant that plays with expectations, it can be part of any other sexuality. In the time of Juvenal, men were considered either passive or active, everything not a man was a potentially subdued victim. At that time there were so many eunuchs in the middle east they virtually constituted a third gender. It was only after the controversial topic of how babies were made was scientifically nailed down that the possibility of being queer came about. So Gay generally means you prefer your own gender. Queer means you prefer something other than social norms prescribe and you want to know what people think about that. The current normalisation of a range of orientations works against queers, since where everything is ok, nothing can be outrageous. TLDR the world is turning beige and grey.
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Kripparian Depression KMS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.01.16 02:45:31 -
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LOL, you guys need a safe space in a video game too? |
Chopper Rollins
Far Beyond Triggered
1750
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Posted - 2017.01.16 02:50:41 -
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Kripparian Depression KMS wrote:LOL, you guys need a safe space in a video game too?
What would they need to be safe from?
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Querns
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2643
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:03:33 -
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The Imperium maintains a LGBTQ+ "socialswarm" called queerswarm, if you're in the Imperium. Simply join GSF jabber and join the queeerswarm conference!
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