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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.13 11:27:11 -
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no i dont want you to go away, that means i wont get your stuff, know what really amazes me is people like you cant read the description of what this game actually is, you cant accept that someone can kill you when you are doing your own thing and you dont like it.
You blame other people because you choose not to take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and want the game changed to favour your own gameplay without any consideration for other peoples gameplay.
EVE is a full blown pvp game where you can be engaged anywhere, accept it because its not changing because you want to solo play an mmo
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Akis Talanas
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.13 11:36:40 -
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Lan Wang wrote:no i dont want you to go away, that means i wont get your stuff, know what really amazes me is people like you cant read the description of what this game actually is, you cant accept that someone can kill you when you are doing your own thing and you dont like it.
You blame other people because you choose not to take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and want the game changed to favour your own gameplay without any consideration for other peoples gameplay.
EVE is a full blown pvp game where you can be engaged anywhere, accept it because its not changing because you want to solo play an mmo
right.....
there it is the EVE is a pvp game "argument".....
you mean this could not be changed?
really.....
"EVE was so for 13 years and we don't need a change"......this is no argument this is defending a status quo that does not work anymore.....
Look around...other games act like nannies and have success with it.....no need to copy them you say?
maybe.....
but at least we could just stop this stupid "eveyone kills everyone" focus of the game because THIS is simply not modern anymore.....
I'm not giving word for a transformation of this game into a "your actions are without consequences crap".....but if you just want pve....you should be able to and don't get bothered beeing forced to play a part of the game you don't want or like......
Everybody should play his way.....if you want to shoot at each other like brainless zombies you will find another brainless zombie right around the corner....but leave everyone alone that don't share your strange hobby......
bottom line..... |
Akane Togenada
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.01.13 11:44:34 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Why is a "just leave them alone" so hard to understand for some people here?
I don't get this.....
Is your fear to have to low kill rates?
Is it that you fear the opportunity to loose if you have no pve fittet prey anymore?
Is it that you fear to open pandoras box filled with even MORE -sigh- mmo solo mode parts?
Is it that you fear EVE could change and you loose your neck of the woods?
What is it?
Tell me.....
Please.....
I can't await your pure wisdom.....
As a player who enjoy the PvE aspect of EVE (and exploration in particular) all I can say is that if your demands for a safer game where met I would instantly quit. Without hunters out there scouting for me and other 'prey' all the exitement would be gone and exploration would essentially become RNG Mining instead. I'd also hate to not have the possibilty to later switch roles and become the hunter instead.
You are obviously free to speak your mind but please don-¦t try to sound like a spokesperson for all PvE-focused players because you clearly is not. |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:10:46 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Lan Wang wrote:no i dont want you to go away, that means i wont get your stuff, know what really amazes me is people like you cant read the description of what this game actually is, you cant accept that someone can kill you when you are doing your own thing and you dont like it.
You blame other people because you choose not to take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and want the game changed to favour your own gameplay without any consideration for other peoples gameplay.
EVE is a full blown pvp game where you can be engaged anywhere, accept it because its not changing because you want to solo play an mmo right..... there it is the EVE is a pvp game "argument"..... you mean this could not be changed? really..... "EVE was so for 13 years and we don't need a change"......this is no argument this is defending a status quo that does not work anymore..... Look around...other games act like nannies and have success with it.....no need to copy them you say? maybe..... but at least we could just stop this stupid "eveyone kills everyone" focus of the game because THIS is simply not modern anymore..... I'm not giving word for a transformation of this game into a "your actions are without consequences crap".....but if you just want pve....you should be able to and don't get bothered beeing forced to play a part of the game you don't want or like...... Everybody should play his way.....if you want to shoot at each other like brainless zombies you will find another brainless zombie right around the corner....but leave everyone alone that don't share your strange hobby...... bottom line.....
top tip if you want to be left alone there is a server caller singularity where you can be left alone, and play the solo game all you want. but i guess you just want to be able to plex your account so you dont have to pay for it huh?
i honestly dont think this game is for you, you clearly want something that this game is not.
and the eve is pvp "argument" its not an argument, its actually a fact.
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Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:16:47 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Everybody should play his way.....if you want to shoot at each other like brainless zombies you will find another brainless zombie right around the corner....but leave everyone alone that don't share your strange hobby...... You contradict your own argument in the same sentence... I don't think you've thought this one through.
But it sounds like you just want EvE to be another generic theme-park MMO that is space themed. Maybe you should consider playing Star Wars The Old Republic, instead of trying to change what makes EvE unique and the reason EvE players keep hanging around. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
608
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:17:47 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:The alpha limitations are fine as far as my play is concerned.
I use an alpha as a wormhole sitter so I can always get back in if needed;
... or out, like me when I have, again, forgot to bring probes :( |
Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:18:21 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Lan Wang wrote:no i dont want you to go away, that means i wont get your stuff, know what really amazes me is people like you cant read the description of what this game actually is, you cant accept that someone can kill you when you are doing your own thing and you dont like it.
You blame other people because you choose not to take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and want the game changed to favour your own gameplay without any consideration for other peoples gameplay.
EVE is a full blown pvp game where you can be engaged anywhere, accept it because its not changing because you want to solo play an mmo right..... there it is the EVE is a pvp game "argument"..... you mean this could not be changed? really..... "EVE was so for 13 years and we don't need a change"......this is no argument this is defending a status quo that does not work anymore..... Look around...other games act like nannies and have success with it.....no need to copy them you say? maybe..... but at least we could just stop this stupid "eveyone kills everyone" focus of the game because THIS is simply not modern anymore..... I'm not giving word for a transformation of this game into a "your actions are without consequences crap".....but if you just want pve....you should be able to and don't get bothered beeing forced to play a part of the game you don't want or like...... Everybody should play his way.....if you want to shoot at each other like brainless zombies you will find another brainless zombie right around the corner....but leave everyone alone that don't share your strange hobby...... bottom line.....
Wut?
Is this still ironic?
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
350
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:30:44 -
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Akis Talanas, if you want to be left alone by the mean PvPers, you can be. The secret is that you have to take actions to prevent yourself being killed, the game won't do it for you. I know the idea that dying over and over is your own fault hurts your ego, but as long as you keep blaming the game you will continue to be unhappy with it. Eve is not my little pony online, this should be pretty obvious 13 years after launch.
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
13
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Posted - 2017.01.13 12:57:55 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Most of them ARE and THINK exactly this way...... You never met most F2P players. You never even read a word from at least 99.9% them. Most of them doesn't speak any language you do. But I risk the proportion of just EvE's English spekaking F2P players who you have interacted with is similarly low. Your generalization and preconceptions are painful.
You might have heard a vocal minority. Strangely enough, I've heard much more veteran EvE subscribers voicing their contructive criticism about the Alpha limitations than Alpha mains. Not that it matters anything - I know I'm just a single player who's perception isn't qualify as sample for making a valid claim.
I'd address some of your ideas about safe pve too, but EvE vets are pretty competent at it after 13 years of participation in similar threads. I also don't feel like derailing this one any further. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18325
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Posted - 2017.01.13 13:26:46 -
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Glabeal Semah wrote:Why is there no option to BUY a ship? Like in RSI? For example, an Astero could cost 100 eur. You get the right to fly it (as an alpha), one BP (?), and the right to buy and train the skills. If you like to further limit things (making more money) you put a limit of 20 (?) Asteros. After you've lost it 20 times, you pay again 100 eur. It just an example! And let's remember 100eur is about 7 months of subbing. Any thoughts on this?
Because that would break the game in about 17.different ways. For 100e you can play for nearly a year on a sub. Just do that maybe?
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2017.01.13 13:29:49 -
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Malcanis wrote:Glabeal Semah wrote:Why is there no option to BUY a ship? Like in RSI? For example, an Astero could cost 100 eur. You get the right to fly it (as an alpha), one BP (?), and the right to buy and train the skills. If you like to further limit things (making more money) you put a limit of 20 (?) Asteros. After you've lost it 20 times, you pay again 100 eur. It just an example! And let's remember 100eur is about 7 months of subbing. Any thoughts on this?
Because that would break the game in about 17.different ways. For 100e you can play for nearly a year on a sub. Just do that maybe?
a fool and his money is easily parted, thats why microtransactions are so popular
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
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Posted - 2017.01.13 13:31:17 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Lan Wang wrote:no i dont want you to go away, that means i wont get your stuff, know what really amazes me is people like you cant read the description of what this game actually is, you cant accept that someone can kill you when you are doing your own thing and you dont like it.
You blame other people because you choose not to take the necessary precautions to protect yourself and want the game changed to favour your own gameplay without any consideration for other peoples gameplay.
EVE is a full blown pvp game where you can be engaged anywhere, accept it because its not changing because you want to solo play an mmo right..... there it is the EVE is a pvp game "argument"..... you mean this could not be changed? really..... "EVE was so for 13 years and we don't need a change"......this is no argument this is defending a status quo that does not work anymore..... Look around...other games act like nannies and have success with it.....no need to copy them you say? maybe..... but at least we could just stop this stupid "eveyone kills everyone" focus of the game because THIS is simply not modern anymore..... I'm not giving word for a transformation of this game into a "your actions are without consequences crap".....but if you just want pve....you should be able to and don't get bothered beeing forced to play a part of the game you don't want or like...... Everybody should play his way.....if you want to shoot at each other like brainless zombies you will find another brainless zombie right around the corner....but leave everyone alone that don't share your strange hobby...... bottom line.....
The "bottom line" is that you're entering a game that has 13 years of history and development and demanding that it completely reverse its philosophy. Why not take your own advice and "look... Around..." Rather than expect ccp to dump their existing customer base, their brand, their development investment and the whole point of the original EVE project in pursuit of an imaginary-áset of customers who might play EVE if they did.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Lady Ayeipsia
Perkone Caldari State
1309
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Posted - 2017.01.13 13:42:29 -
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honestly, I would love to know how long it took most Omegas reach T2 small weapons. I know I did not train into those until at least a year or more of playing EVE. Now granted, I had more options than an alpha account and some of that time was training skills that are now gone. Still, given the reduced training time of an alpha, I don't see T2 small weapons as a must have.This is especially true given the fitting requirements and limited fitting skills available to alphas. If anything, T2 weapons should be the last skill you would train and the one that really helps drive you to wanting to subscribe.
So no I don't think alphas should have T2 guns. Many of us survived in space in both PvE and PvP for years without T2 guns. Alphas can easily do the same. |
Malcanis
Vanishing Point. The Initiative.
18325
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Posted - 2017.01.13 14:56:57 -
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Lady Ayeipsia wrote:honestly, I would love to know how long it took most Omegas reach T2 small weapons. I know I did not train into those until at least a year or more of playing EVE. Now granted, I had more options than an alpha account and some of that time was training skills that are now gone. Still, given the reduced training time of an alpha, I don't see T2 small weapons as a must have.This is especially true given the fitting requirements and limited fitting skills available to alphas. If anything, T2 weapons should be the last skill you would train and the one that really helps drive you to wanting to subscribe.
So no I don't think alphas should have T2 guns. Many of us survived in space in both PvE and PvP for years without T2 guns. Alphas can easily do the same.
It's a long time ago now, and sp/hr was generally rather lower* than it is in these halcyon days of free learning skills, attribute remapping and learning boosters, but iirc it was around the 6 or 7 month mark for me.
*2000 sp per hour was seen as acceptable, anything over 2100 was excellent.
"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."
Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
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Zirashi
Cyclical Destruction
54
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Posted - 2017.01.13 15:24:12 -
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There's only 1 weapon system I think an argument for T2 can be made and that is blasters because of Null S. Even then, as has been said countless times, Alpha is for a taste, not the whole thing. You want full access, you pay for full access. Every other weapon system is just fine with Meta 4. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1683
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Posted - 2017.01.13 15:47:35 -
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The trick with alpha clones is to gang up. You got T2 guns, I got the bro in a griffin. If alphas got T2 guns they would still get owened by pirat ships, if they could get into pirat ships they would still get owened by T3 and to on and so on.. |
Bruminon
Hedion University Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.01.13 16:17:12 -
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Obviously, you can't gripe free stuff. I applaud the alpha clone move. I really meant, don't you think CCP would make more cash by making alpha clones decent? T1 frigs with T2 guns still aren't shock and awe.
I want to play Eve, but I want to get my cheap friends to play. But I don't want to ask them to play if they basically gimped for life.
Maybe I should just trick them, and tell them free accounts are pretty awesome for PVP... and once they get addicted hope they pay?
Essentially, CCP gets 3-4 players with 1 paying.... though there's always potential for more. It's marketing.
No one likes an empty world either. Free players = targets. So paid players have more "content".
I think Eve would thrive more with alpha clones having more skills, and CCP would probably make more cash. Obviously they researched it thoroughly, and they don't agree with me. I'm probably wrong. |
Maekchu
Gunpoint Diplomacy
597
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Posted - 2017.01.13 16:21:03 -
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Bruminon wrote:But I don't want to ask them to play if they basically gimped for life. And you shouldn't ask them. You should leave them be and let them work.
If you can't afford 15$ on games per month, then you have some other priorities in life you probably should consider first, instead of spending your time playing EvE.
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X Trex
Dead Moon Rising
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Posted - 2017.01.13 16:28:29 -
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Akis Talanas wrote:Lan Wang wrote:NORMAL people = pve players who want to play mmo in solo mode Sociopath = eve players who like to interact in pvp by shooting anything. Why is a "just leave them alone" so hard to understand for some people here? I don't get this..... Is your fear to have to low kill rates? Is it that you fear the opportunity to loose if you have no pve fittet prey anymore? Is it that you fear to open pandoras box filled with even MORE -sigh- mmo solo mode parts? Is it that you fear EVE could change and you loose your neck of the woods? What is it? Tell me..... Please..... I can't await your pure wisdom.....
This is a working economy, based on things getting blown up and conflict. Just leave me alone is actually a bad thing in the long run towards the game's economic stability. I've played for many years and seen the economy swing around wildly. I've watched the impact of mining botters screw up the market.
Just leave me alone, I want to farm missions with my super blinged ship with no risk so that I can dump millions of free isk in the market with no risk. I want my safe space to do just what I want without hurting anybody... but in truth, if you are not part of the game, you are part of the problem, but most people are too self-centered when whining about being 'picked on' to realize the greater consequences. I actually quit playing Eve for a few years because, as a solo player, we kept getting hit by the nerf bat. Our PVE activities were having undesired impacts on the whole of the game.
Having played solo for years, I have never been ganked in high-sec.I have continued to play while under war decs, including mining operations, but I was smart about it and most aggressive players are too lazy to chase you very far. If you are getting picked on, move somewhere else in the game. With all the public station up now, you can go just about anywhere.
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Kosomot
Poseidon Energy and Industrial DRONE WALKERS
51
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Posted - 2017.01.14 21:45:56 -
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Aiwha wrote:The point of alpha clones is to entice people to pay for omega. That is all.
This, this and again this.
Let's remember, CCP is not a charity, it's a company trying to make some money and is accountable to investors and shareholders. Alpha is just a means to Omega.
More Alpha's means more chance of converting to Omega, if you don't go Omega CCP still has to pay it's bill for you to play, perhaps consider returning the favor.
CCP does not stand for Charitable Capsuleer Patronage
I have been able to plex my accounts for years, however i have not done so as I have no problem paying them the money i spend, it's good entertainment money, and when times required it i was able to suspend paying until such a time as i returned.
Now i at least have the beneift of enjoying Alpha status at those times and still can wholly enjoy the game.
Fly safe.
I am a miner, mission runner, and explorer...
or as EVE Online would have it...
A Carebear!!
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