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Kenneth Endashi
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2017.01.15 23:26:40 -
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Hello! I'm writing from Firefox running the uMatrix extension that gives me control over what elements of webpages can execute commands on my machine.
It sounds complicated, but it's a very simple matrix that dictates what objects you want your browser accessing, and from where.
From a single glance, I can see there are forum site functionality features served through the Optimizely cdn, a data-mining firm that shares all the information it gathers from one site with other corporations and other websites. (edited to say that only by enabling the data-mining optimizely was I able to post on this forum!)
Through various forms of digital fingerprinting, optimizely (which is undoubtedly how facebook acquires our data) creates a profile for every machine it can touch that is permanently stored and shared with every other site you connect to using optimizely or one of its numerous sharing partners. There's a whole internet of data about you and everyone else who uses it, and that information is traded for real money. Some people even believe you deserve a cut, and are fighting for consumer rights to their own personal data. Either they pay you some percentage of what your data is worth, or they stop collecting it, is their argument.
With regards to this particular problem, you can "opt out" of optimizely-specific data-mining on your particular machine, but the cynic in me says "yeah right, they just claim to stop and continue surreptitiously mining you because why not? More to the point, your data probably becomes instantly more valuable by virtue of the fact you don't want it shared."
That link is here: https://www.optimizely.com/opt_out/
It is time to move on from the "what are you hiding" dismissal of legitimate concerns about the unbridled harvesting of people for their sweet, profitable data and listen to new approaches to the problem of wanton data mining of people just trying to play a videogame (that they already paid to play! Even if it's in the ToS like it is, It's not like Eve is free and we're supposed to be the product like so many other applications).
The solution, in this case, starts with the individual. Research what you can do to protect your own data. I roll with the following Firefox plugins to minimize my digital footprint: uMatrix BetterPrivacy (erases a new kind of LSO privacy invading cookie that puts the better known, original cookies to shame. as far as I know, BetterPrivacy is one of the only ways to find and eliminate this powerful new cookie) uBlock Origin blocks ads and other data-mining domains (use with care, because news agencies, and small bloggers and vid publishers rely on ad income to survive!)
Ultimately, I recommend switching to Linux and making it a hobby to see how far you're willing to go to limit routine privacy violations. It's actually pretty fun, and enlightening too!
I hope this helps |
Tanuki Kittybeta
Ripperoni in Pepperoni Trigger Warnings
72
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Posted - 2017.01.16 04:02:26 -
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never used fb, never will |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
6380
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Posted - 2017.01.16 04:28:49 -
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Tbh, I would be _really_ surprised if the link came via CCP.
It's probably friend of friend of friend style stuff.
I mean, I've been linked to people I've worked with in the past. Not at the same company, and I've never talked to him outside of phonecalls and corporate email, but he's still popped up in my 'do you know' list. No mutual friends, but still linked.
There's also possibilities like you both looked at something on Facebook, coming from the same source, on a number of occasions. They're very very good at drawing this kind of conclusion.
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
3830
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Posted - 2017.01.16 05:03:40 -
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Dibz wrote:Facebook is weird. Recently it suggested one of my neighbours as a Facebook 'friend', despite me never having interacted with them at all other than a brief hello in the hallway. Location information. You will both have location info turned on and it reads you as close enough.
Probably what happened to the OP is you both liked a FB post related to EVE, therefore Facebook triggers it's algorithm of people you might know based off that. Or you both liked CCP's page on FB. If you both attended fanfest the same year that also could be it.
And that's only a 10 second thought on triggers it could have. |
Andreve en Distel
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
19
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Posted - 2017.01.16 08:20:23 -
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By viewing this page in your browser, Facebook is potentially getting your information. I first started getting Eve Online ads in my browser long before I joined the game, simply because I looked up one of those Forbes articles talking about a big battle a couple years ago. That's all it took for them to identify me as someone to target with Eve advertising. If I go to a website and view a product page, I can go back to my other browser tab, refresh Facebook, and insta-magically I have targeted advertising for the exact items I had been viewing. Even days after, I'll have ads for products and websites I had viewed previously, even if I delete the local browser history, cookies, etc. that the typical user would know about and be able to readily delete. If there's anyone to blame, it's our soon-to-be Google Overlords |
Toobo
Project Fruit House Solyaris Chtonium
413
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Posted - 2017.01.16 09:30:55 -
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something I don't really understand is that I am obviously an EVE player already, on subs, and CCP knows this and Facebook probably knows this too - why are they showing me adverts of EVE Online lol? It would make more sense to show ads for EVE gears & PLEX purchases and things like that, but the ads they show on my FB are directed to new/non-eve players.
about privacy & all that - well it is what it is. Either you unplug or you live with it. Being connected while trying to remain anonymous & private doesn't work very well in modern world, unless you really avoid some of the most/daily used sites, devices, protocols, etc. It is probably possible if you are really on top of your game regarding security issues, but there are products that can do some incredible snooping things too.
Cheers Love! The cavalry's here!
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2022
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Posted - 2017.01.16 09:39:33 -
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Toobo wrote:something I don't really understand is that I am obviously an EVE player already, on subs, and CCP knows this and Facebook probably knows this too - why are they showing me adverts of EVE Online lol? It would make more sense to show ads for EVE gears & PLEX purchases and things like that, but the ads they show on my FB are directed to new/non-eve players. Well... It looks like those developing these systems are good in gathering information but bad at simple understanding. For me is was when i bought new smartphone on Ali-Express and after that started to receive advertisements about new phones. Really? You think i'm some kind of shop? I bought the phone and i will need another one in like year or about it. Accessories would be of better use.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Yang Aurilen
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1372
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Posted - 2017.01.16 13:30:52 -
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Wait people still get ads? Get with the times and block them. What a bunch of internet dinosaurs doesn't have ads permanently blocked.
Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
761
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Posted - 2017.01.16 13:39:36 -
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Your internet data is constantly being tracked and mined by Internet advertiser, including Facebook, Google, Microsoft, and Various 3 letter agencys. You can try to sterilize yourself from them through various optout programs and data destroyers (sites that were made to throw off the trackers by pumping false info into it) but you will have to give up Facebook, google, yahoo etc and religiously use a TOR browser along with a vpn. Even then it just limits the tracking not eliminate it.
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
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Eternus8lux8lucis
Primus Inc. LEGIO ASTARTES ARCANUM
1200
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:05:20 -
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Hello Mr Yakamoto
Just gonna leave this here.
Have you heard anything I've said?
You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?
That's right.
Had to end sometime.
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thatonepersone
Son's of Plunder Panic Attack.
47
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Posted - 2017.01.16 14:51:55 -
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I understand they track stuff like likes and page visted. I get ads on fb for everything i look at on amazon. Why doesn't facebook recommend any of you guys to me though? I mean, the guy who i played with dosnt even hardly use his facebook, he even had to be reminded he had one. Does facebook dig through eve who and look for people in the same corp? |
Amarrchecko
Hedion University Amarr Empire
113
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Posted - 2017.01.16 15:58:46 -
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When I started back to Eve about a year ago, Facebook suggested the RL page of a player who was in my corp back when I first played in 2006-2007 who no longer actually plays Eve at all. I didn't have Facebook back then. I'm on new computers since then. My Eve email is different than and unconnected to my Facebook email.
Good times. |
Charley Varrick
State War Academy Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2017.01.16 16:23:58 -
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I think the strangest add related thing I have seen is an add on FB for a product I bought online over 10 years ago, 5 years before I even had a FB account. |
ValentineMichael Smith
Farnham's Freehold
11
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Posted - 2017.01.16 23:44:18 -
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Sarah Flynt wrote:ValentineMichael Smith wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. If they were, they wouldn't be using FB.
Not true. I'm concerned about my privacy and I use Facebook. I'm also not having the problems being described here. Because I don't use facebook on my phone. I assume people are using FB on their phone and have of course given the ap permission to access every other app inclusing your web browser. When using it on your desktop, don't gave your afcebook page open while doing things in other tabs now that you know how bad they are data mining.
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Hazel TuckerTS
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.16 23:58:39 -
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Awwwee Don't be afraid to exit the closet sweetie |
Kenneth Endashi
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
111
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Posted - 2017.01.17 00:45:30 -
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ValentineMichael Smith wrote:Sarah Flynt wrote:ValentineMichael Smith wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:...Apart from the problem of privacy, which most people don't really care about now, there is the problem of Facebook coming between players and EVE. Inserting itself as a middleman. Which has implications for CCP..... MOST people don't care about privacy now? I dissagree. It would be very foolish to not care about our dwindling privacy. If they were, they wouldn't be using FB. Not true. I'm concerned about my privacy and I use Facebook. I'm also not having the problems being described here. Because I don't use facebook on my phone. I assume people are using FB on their phone and have of course given the ap permission to access every other app inclusing your web browser. When using it on your desktop, don't gave your afcebook page open while doing things in other tabs now that you know how bad they are data mining.
That's actually not how tracking works. Most modern websites use some form of tracking. Even the most basic forms of tracking "phone home" or report your usage to whatever corporation made the software, in addition to the site owner, who wants to know how visitors are using his/her website. This much everyone knows.
But the tracking doesn't stop there! Cookies, are like a spyware STI that - once acquired - track you around every site you visit, until you come on back to the original scumhole where you picked up the cookie. Most likely Facebook, lol.
More to the point, say you delete the cookie (wow, no one ever thought of that before!) HTML5 canvassing has already made a digital fingerprint of your exact computer based on the way it displays colors (no two machines in the world are exactly alike). This probing goes very deep. I know that even if you thwart those things, but still browse using your native browser on your home laptop, they fingerprint your ding'd old dang'd effin' BATTERY! It's nuts, how far it goes. But yeah, the known information about your home PC is simply recalled based on your digital fingerprint, even if you have cookies blocked and all that. They still know it's you. But if you don't have cookies enabled, and you actively BLOCK scripts (that's the important part), at least that's ALL they know.
But no, your method of closing Facebook does not actually prevent anything except you, from seeing Facebook. Facebook still sees YOU
CIA's 'Facebook' Program Dramatically Cut Agency's Costs
http://www.theonion.com/video/cias-facebook-program-dramatically-cut-agencys-cos-19753 |
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2017.01.17 01:41:44 -
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^^ Poe's law, or someone who's actually nuts. decide for yourself
Woo! CSM XI!
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
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Ari Shekelstein
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.17 03:15:24 -
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Stop. Using. Facebook. |
Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2017.01.17 13:36:05 -
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Ari Shekelstein wrote:Stop. Using. Facebook.
Pretty much this. Or get used to allowing Facebook access to all your personal data, including your phone, contacts gallery, and whatever your phone's microphone happens to pick up. What you search for, what you are talking to your friends about. What you buy, what sites you frequent.
You literally sign away your privacy by having a facebook account. Worse if you have the messenger app on your phone.
#DeleteTheWeak
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Swamp Drain
Swamp Donkey's United
0
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Posted - 2017.01.17 14:14:10 -
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Just stop using social media. I have never used social media and it is the most rewarding feeling in the world when your surrounded by people and you can't help but notice how frantically everyone is flipping through their phones not paying attention to the world around them. (It's especially funny when people walk across busy streets with their heads glued to their phones)
I pride myself in living in reality and I have no sympathy for people who regret throwing their personal lives out on the internet for the whole world to see.
Once you let your information out on the world-wide web, you can never get it back. Hopefully this is a great learning experience and illustrates to you the fact that you are not in control of your privacy by using social media.
I'd suggest deleting the account and engaging with your 'real friends' via phone or e-mail. It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. |
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1412
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Posted - 2017.01.17 14:23:10 -
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Swamp Drain wrote:...I have never used social media...
...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know the second statement quotes is true?
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
508
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Posted - 2017.01.17 19:51:03 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Swamp Drain wrote:...I have never used social media...
...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true?
Should we tell him that an online forum counts as social media too? |
Ari Shekelstein
The Scope Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.01.17 20:43:46 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Swamp Drain wrote:...I have never used social media...
...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true?
It can't be very interesting if I'm not a part of it.
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March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2025
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Posted - 2017.01.17 20:53:27 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Swamp Drain wrote:...I have never used social media...
...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? You don't NEED to test every thing around to know that you are not interested in it. You already know a lot of stuff you won't taste even if you haven't tasted it yet.
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Hipqo
Tyde8
159
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Posted - 2017.01.17 22:51:04 -
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Facebook is the computer era's "free service" model. You pay for it with your personal information, you are the product and payment for using facebook. If you dont like it, theres no other choice then to stop using it, block all cookies, block all tracking and pretty much never visit any major websites again.
Facebook is like skynet, its everywhere and knows everything.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Kalicia Ember
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.01.18 03:02:16 -
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Datamining sucks and all but this seems more like a tinfoil hat thread. If you don't want people to see your face, unplug Facebook from your EVE account |
Flappe Nilsen
Funda ICKARU5
0
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Posted - 2017.01.18 10:57:54 -
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to parrot what other people have said: leave facebook. I did just that this summer, and i have have a better life now. "fake news", " selfdesign" and personalized commercials, on top of them mining you, is not a great combo. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1420
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Posted - 2017.01.18 11:02:07 -
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March rabbit wrote:Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Swamp Drain wrote:...I have never used social media...
...It's not like there's any worthwhile conversation going on in the social media world anyways. If you have no experience with it, how do you know this is true? You don't NEED to test every thing around to know that you are not interested in it. You already know a lot of stuff you won't taste even if you haven't tasted it yet. Interest in it isn't what he said.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Qwerty Ernaga
State War Academy Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:19:07 -
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Facebook and Google, probably two worst companies considering your personal data (following you with their creepy cookies everywhere, not to mention Google was historically fined for breaching browser security so you couldn-¦t get rid of their tracking cookies); do not use products from either, stop their cookies with browser addons, use no script and preferably reliable VPN not based in Europe or USA. Duckduckgo for search engine. That-¦s what I do. |
Gregorius Goldstein
Ze One Man Show
1733
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:31:54 -
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It is amusing how long it does some users take to realize what facebook's business model is. Only the best things in life are free, facebook is not. |
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