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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.16 18:43:52 -
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Will be setting up an Astra, running PvE and PI - solo. Have toons with good WH skills from previous stint with a corp. But was looking for some risk management such as Mercs to protect the Astra post anchoring 15 mins window. Was also thinking of standby support if loot pinata jokers and eviction attempts are made later on. Got some good feedback from one Merc corp - seems reliable albeit expensive (1b monthly for "standby" protection). But maybe that's the standard.
I'm wondering if you have experience in similar circumstances, is it a viable strategy for a solo corp with a few toons? What are the expected costs and are there reliable merc corps (with WH experience) worth considering for the job?
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Jack Miton
Presumed Dead Enterprises Lost Outcast's Combined Army League
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Posted - 2017.01.16 22:20:53 -
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You're so cute.
Here's how you live solo in a C3: - put a scout into a C3 with HS static - leave main in HS - scan HS when you want - go run sites
For expert mode, skip steps 1 and 2 and just scan in from HS when you want to run sites in a low class WH but you dont want to join a corp.
....bil a month for standby mercs... I tip my hat to the mastermind who gets you to agree to that payment scheme!!!
There is no Bob.
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.16 23:32:16 -
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Jack Miton wrote:You're so cute.
I've never been called cute before, Jack Milton. I knew Eve was special, but this proves it beyond a doubt. And thanks for the advice. Interesting model.
If anyone knows of a reliable merc corp, I'd still be interested to know. |
Hipqo
Tyde8
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Posted - 2017.01.16 23:34:58 -
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You wanna close all connections to the wormhole before you start anchoring, then be online for 24 hours and close all connections that open up. Pray to bob you dont get alot of frig holes!!
If, or rather when, capsuleers come to evict you, its already to late to call for backup, because the evictors will have hole control and you will not be able to keep a highsec open for longer then a few mins at a time (perhaps only a few secs if they have rolling ships on standby), which leaves no time at all for Mercs to come save you.
You can live solo, but you will not be able to defend your loot pinata what so ever, unless you can multibox 10+ accounts effeciently in combat.
Do what Jack suggests and day trip with multible accounts. Jump in from highsec, close all holes, farm like a maniac, open highsec and leave again, leaving one alt behind for the next day.
A life is best lived, to not step into your grave in a well preserved body. Instead, to slide in side ways, all battered and bruised, screamming, "Holy SH**! What a ride!"
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.17 01:08:29 -
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Hipqo wrote:
You can live solo, but you will not be able to defend your loot pinata what so ever, unless you can multibox 10+ accounts effeciently in combat.
Do what Jack suggests
Solid advice. Thanks.
For me WH goes beyond running PvE for ISK. I like planning the logistics, doing some PI, hunting, I even like the isolation; and the thrill of some risk and managing it - but not stupid risk. I lived in a C4 with a 4 people corp for 6 months before taking a 2 years break from Eve. Loved it.
Reading yours and Jack Miton's post what I hear is that solo life in a C3 could be a fool's errand?
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Jack Miton
Presumed Dead Enterprises Lost Outcast's Combined Army League
4953
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Posted - 2017.01.17 01:51:38 -
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It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static)
There is no Bob.
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.17 02:22:55 -
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Jack Miton wrote:It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static)
Hard to argue your point. I can only think of one subjective benefit: unique content. By that I mean, a unique WH solo experience. I'm already having fun researching it all, skilling my toons, dropping a Helios into a fine C3 I found, and of course, this thread is part of it. Your feedback is part of this content. Thank you.
That and not having to worry about scheduling corp nights
ps - Is living out of an Orca viable? |
Eikin Skjald
Ars Venandi Hole Control
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Posted - 2017.01.17 08:28:11 -
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Artesius wrote:Jack Miton wrote:It's not a fool's errand, it just has zero benefits over joining literally any corp that already lives in a C3 (or better yet, a C2/4 with a C3 static) Hard to argue your point. I can only think of one subjective benefit: unique content. By that I mean, a unique WH solo experience. I'm already having fun researching it all, skilling my toons, dropping a Helios into a fine C3 I found, and of course, this thread is part of it. Your feedback is part of this content. Thank you. That and not having to worry about scheduling corp nights ps - Is living out of an Orca viable?
If you want that solo experience...do it.
An Astrahus is not that expensive. Only take your Loot and Stuff outside from time to time. That's much more easier than an Orca home and you will loose that Orca earlier than the Citadel. Just make sure that the hole is closed during the anchoring Timer (24h).
Any Eviction Corp will recognize that you are a Solo Target, so that Loot Piniata is not that interesting to stay there for 3 days. |
Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2017.01.17 09:05:03 -
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As others have said, it doesn't really make sense to have mercs on 'standby' in a wormhole. By the time they get there, it will probably be over.
That said, it does make sense to hire protection for the on-lining period. A good wormhole corp will have experience controlling a wormhole during the 24 hours that you want to cover, and know how to fight off any visitors you might get during that period.
It might cost more that it's worth, though. You might try contacting my corp leadership; the Tuskers are a wormhole pvp corp rather than mercenaries, so I can't guarantee that they'll be interested. But we have the experience, and the manpower to do what you are looking for, and we won't break an agreement with you. Could be worth checking out.
If you like reading about low sec piracy or faction warfare, you might enjoy my blog.
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Adolph Weltschmerz
HIgh Sec Care Bears Brothers of Tangra
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Posted - 2017.01.17 10:16:51 -
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Set up a POS - dickstar. Cheap, easy and fairly safe. |
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.17 14:18:16 -
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Taurean Eltanin wrote:You might try contacting my corp leadership; the Tuskers are a wormhole pvp corp rather than mercenaries, so I can't guarantee that they'll be interested. But we have the experience, and the manpower to do what you are looking for, and we won't break an agreement with you. Could be worth checking out.
I will do it. Thanks for your this advice.
ps. I enjoy reading your blog.
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Akali Mid
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:31:46 -
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Unless your c3 has some attribute that a major wh corp or alliance want, you don't have to worry with protection as long as you don't **** people off too much.
Protection is like mafia the ones you pay to protect you are the ones that will destroy your ****, because now they know you're a little whinner.
Just put all the pocos up and a large tower with some basic defenses and no one will ever bother you man.
Also always avoid fighting, if you see someone ratting in your system, let him that, he will go away, don't act stupid. |
Taurean Eltanin
The Tuskers The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2017.01.17 15:38:03 -
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Artesius wrote:
I will do it. Thanks for your this advice.
ps. I enjoy reading your blog.
Cheers.
You'll know I went the POS route, then. Quick and easy to set up, and way too boring for anyone to attack while onlining.
That said, I'll probably go for a citadel at some point. I think already being established in the system will make that much easier to do solo.
If you like reading about low sec piracy or faction warfare, you might enjoy my blog.
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Jonn Duune
Biomass Party
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Posted - 2017.01.18 03:53:15 -
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Artesius wrote:ps - Is living out of an Orca viable?
yes, as long as you're willing to travel very light, and have multiple characters on multiple accounts, it is doable.
My name is Jonn Duune, and I wholeheartedly support the message posted above.
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.18 04:22:16 -
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Akali Mid wrote: Protection is like mafia the ones you pay to protect you are the ones that will destroy your ****, because now they know you're a little whinner. .
Yeah. This is a risk alright. Thanks for the advice.
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.18 04:23:10 -
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Fantastic feedback. Thank you everyone. |
Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.01.18 13:45:48 -
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I lived solo in a C3 wormhole for a while without having had any previous wormhole experience. I started with a medium POS and learned things as I went. Once I figured out how to effectively roll wormholes, I started bashing customs offices which then gave me the confidence to lay down a citadel solo. I kept the hole isolated for that 24 hours so it was a complete non-event. There's always a chance that the wrong corp could stumble into your hole, but if you're smart about when you anchor, you can reduce those odds to the minimum. Without any actual data to back it up, I intuitively rate my odds of being able to anchor successfully solo at about 80% if I'm vigilant about closing connections. That's good enough for me to take a shot. And if it gets blown up, I can make that isk back in a week.
There's a lot of fear mongering out there about the dangers of running solo in a wormhole, but I found it fairly easy and rewarding. I lost a few ships early on, but I got a lot smarter as I went. Sure, you can find a wormhole corp or hire mercs for help, but the most rewarding aspect for me was the challenge of doing it alone. It's not a fool's errand. |
Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.18 15:37:00 -
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Zarek Kree wrote:
There's a lot of fear mongering out there about the dangers of running solo in a wormhole, but I found it fairly easy and rewarding. I lost a few ships early on, but I got a lot smarter as I went. Sure, you can find a wormhole corp or hire mercs for help, but the most rewarding aspect for me was the challenge of doing it alone. It's not a fool's errand.
You speak my language; something like a 70-80% probability is reasonable risk for WH life. I hear you loud and clear about taking all precautions like zipping the system beforehand. My thinking right now: run out of an Orca for a few weeks, focus on ratting and get to know the system etc. Practice zipping (did it with corpies, never on my own) and then setup an Astra or POS setup. I'm yet to make a final decision regarding the latter, although a Citadel looks good vis-a-vis fuel management, which is a pain with medium/large POS.
In retrospect would you go for a POS or Citadel as a starting point?
Thank you!
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Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.01.18 16:44:30 -
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A citadel is definitely worth the effort, but I'd still start with a POS initially. Even if it was just a small one without defenses to park your Orca for ship swaps and other times when you need to be uncloaked. In fact, you could even park your ships at a safe and leave it offline (or pack it up) when you're logged out, so the fuel costs would be minimal. That keeps your exposure low and your safety factor high when you're actually running daily wormhole operations. And best of all, you wouldn't have to jump through the hoops of setting up POS defenses (which is a major pain).
The very first thing you do every day is scan, so log into your scanning alt, warp to your dead stick, bring it online and then warp off to a safe to do your scans and other housekeeping. By the time you're done, the POS will be online. Then log into your Orca, warp to your POS shield, bring out your site runner or wormhole roller and run your ops. When you're done, pack it all up, offline your POS, warp off to your safe and log out. Doing it that way is actually safer than being in a citadel - just not as convenient and you can't pack as much stuff.
Plus it helps to have a base of operations when you're anchoring your citadel. I frequently used 3 different ships on one account when isolating the hole - a scanning ship, plus a Higgs Raven and Higgs Omen for rolling. Swapping those out quickly is easier at a POS.
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Dracones
Tarsis Inc
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Posted - 2017.01.18 17:49:38 -
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For solo, I'm not really seeing where a citadel would be the way to go over a POS. It has less defense, more vulnerable during setup, costs more, and POS modules have pretty good indy bonuses baked in.
A citadel is very nice in k-space because when you're 10 systems away it's still easy to manage the jobs where in a POS you pretty much need to be in system to move things around between modules. Also they're nice for individual storage. But neither of those really apply to a solo guy living in j-space.
For corps and alliance they totally make sense and I'm sure they were a God send over trying to manage a corp living out of a POS. But for a solo player with alts in a corp POS life is pretty easy. |
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Zarek Kree
Lunatic Legion Holdings
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Posted - 2017.01.18 18:46:36 -
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Dracones wrote:For solo, I'm not really seeing where a citadel would be the way to go over a POS. It has less defense, more vulnerable during setup, costs more, and POS modules have pretty good indy bonuses baked in.
That's all 100% true. The biggest thing citadels have going for them is convenience. But even for solo wormholers, that's not insignificant. Most people going solo are running a number of alts for scanning, transport, PI, structure bashing, etc. It makes managing and organizing them easier, but it's not that much harder out of a POS.
However, the biggest convenience factor comes from not running fuel blocks. It's a relentless, but critical chore when there's nobody else to help out. Especially if you have a nullsec static.
A citadel was a significant improvement in my quality of life. It also gave me the ability to keep a wormhole presence without living there full time. |
ArmyOfMe
Hull Breach. Fairyliance
622
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Posted - 2017.01.18 19:01:39 -
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Give me a shout ingame and ill give you a few proper tips in regards to both mercs and other things.
GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.
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Artesius
Republic University Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.01.19 00:26:28 -
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ArmyOfMe wrote:Give me a shout ingame and ill give you a few proper tips in regards to both mercs and other things.
Thanks for offering, I'll definitely reach out.
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cutthroat kane
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.21 14:37:13 -
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1 billion a month is crazy. You can buy a replacement citadel for 1 billion.
If you have some alts, train one of them into an orca. If someone comes to bother you, pack everything you own into the orca and then 1 minute before downtime undock. Everyone will DC, your orca with ~500k EHP will take some hits (if they camping you which, they likely aren't), but will warp off.
Wait a day or half a day, use an alpha account to scout out the hole, and log the Orca pilot back on. All your **** is safe except for the citadel and any rolling BS that may be too large to carry.
Some variations on this would be a Bowhead, Freighter, or Jump freighter. It's all the same idea though |
Shiloh Templeton
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.21 17:29:05 -
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Zarek Kree wrote:It also gave me the ability to keep a wormhole presence without living there full time. To me, this is the biggest problem with citadels. Without any fuel requirements they will end up being everlasting clutter to the point every WH will have one.
Hauling fuel is a pain, but I wish CCP would make the invulnerability dependent on some player action -- such as requiring that it be fueled with stront every month.
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RolandofGilead Hakaari
NC Positronics Ltd
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Posted - 2017.02.25 17:18:06 -
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Foget paying the Mercs, not worth it IMO. I think Citadel is the way to go and would advise you to just first get set up with a small pos then deploy your Astra when you have hole control (roll all holes before starting), then just keep watch and prey you arent found. Also if possible log in a lot during the deployment window and roll any hopes that pop up. You want *no* traffic in/out at all if possible (impossible but set that as a goal). Once its deployed, unless someone freakin hates you in all likelihood you will be fine.
I did the solo C3 thing just to see it i could do it and I was very rewarding but i found you really needed a lot of ships to 'Do it right'. Doing it right to me meant always having the right ship(s) for several activities;
1.) Three separate accounts all able to be logged in at same time for PVE ops -2 Scouts in cloaky T3s watching your static and any other holes -C3 fit passive Rattlesnake to run the sites 2.) Three Hole Rolling ships of your choice to get rid of unwanted holes 3.) PvP ships for proper hunting T3s, Stratios, maybe a battleship 4.) Bombers for explo frigate hunting 5.) Smartbombing Proteus for explo frigate hunting because its just...awesome 6.) Hauler for running out loot (I used DST) 7.) 3 Ventures for C5/6 gas huffing 8.) Epithal(s) for doing your PI 9.) Covert Ops/Scanny ships for scouting prey and also running relic sites (why the fk i didnt put this first on the list is beyond me...)
Getting all that **** in took a while but led to a very comfy experience. I could do pretty much any activty and I felt safe 'Bearing' with two combat ready cloaky scouts. Rolling wormholes is a pain in the ass but necessary. The way I did it was to make sure there were no entrances un-scouted, so i only rolled when I had to and sat my scouts on the static and if there was one other hole.
You haven't mentioned your PI plan yet but are you planning on knocking over pocos or do you already own them? If youre truely solo i think you will find poco bashing to be a ****** experience. It takes two days minimum and invloves a lot of risk. I did it but hated it due to having to meet the Reinf. Timers and always having the timer come out at a ****** time for me.
C3 living is excellent ISK-wise if you have all the tools. I set a "100million ISK nightly benchmark" for whether an Eve activity is efficient or not. C3 living blew this little yardstick away almost all the time. |
RolandofGilead Hakaari
NC Positronics Ltd
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Posted - 2017.02.25 17:20:00 -
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Oops forgot to add;
10.) Salvaging Catalyst |
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