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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:33:43 -
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On behalf of major Alliances within the Amarr militia, representing a majority of militia offensive actions, within a few hours:
OPERATION RECLAIM AUGA IS LIVE.
Whatever disagreements theologically, now is the time for all who believe in the Amarr faith to stand together.
God be with us all.
An announcement video has been prepared for our Warriors and foes alike to bolster faith, and sow fear equally. It has been constructed in the "DNG" style, a cultural influence that lingers still within the militia.
It can be found here:
#RECLAIMAUGA |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1109
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:38:54 -
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Ah, the dignity and maturity of the Amarrian forces never cease to amaze. PIE certainly surrounds themselves with fine allies. "Victor Amarr" indeed. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
181
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:39:46 -
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I, like, totally remember when militia's were relevant.
The pendulum swings, yada yada, etc etc.
Glory to Bob
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Tyrukko Sakala
Guri Raiders
8
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:43:49 -
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You'd think with this being 'official' that they'd find a better spokesman. |
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
522
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:47:21 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Ah, the dignity and maturity of the Amarrian forces never cease to amaze. PIE certainly surrounds themselves with fine allies. "Victor Amarr" indeed.
Edeity is not and will never be our ally, Mizhara.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:55:15 -
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For clarity and defense of "honour" of those who seem to get dogmatic panties in bunches, my representation here is only on behalf of the military planning and execution of this action and in no way represents a shift of warming relations with narrow minded pedants.
I sincerely hope they can focus on the issues of import here today, rather than their petty, ineffectively prosecuted grievances. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1109
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Posted - 2017.01.26 21:56:46 -
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@Gaven: You keep saying that but there's plenty of documentation that in practice, this is not true. Spirits below, I could probably find combat records of it in my own feeds if I could be arsed going through all those documents. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1918
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Posted - 2017.01.26 23:17:55 -
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I, too, judge all of a disorganised horde which can be freely joined by just about anyone, by selective examples of particular behaviour that I wish to criticise, for truly, this does make straw-manning hilariously easy to do.
I didn't care for the music.
Or the visuals.
Altogether, it was not the greatest propaganda broadcast that I have observed. In my opinion.
But not the worst.
So there's that, I guess.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
7016
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Posted - 2017.01.27 00:10:16 -
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Merchant Rova wrote:I, like, totally remember when militia's were relevant.
The pendulum swings, yada yada, etc etc.
They're as relevant as anyone else, to be honest...
Unless you think Spaec Warz in uncolonised space are terribly important?
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1110
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Posted - 2017.01.27 00:23:49 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:I, like, totally remember when militia's were relevant.
The pendulum swings, yada yada, etc etc. They're as relevant as anyone else, to be honest... Unless you think Spaec Warz in uncolonised space are terribly important?
While I agree with the general sentiment (that the wars we wage have no real effect on the actual people of the cluster barring our crews) it'd be disingenuous to pretend that the Pendulum Wars can be compared to the stakes out in nullsec. Unless of course you've found a way for Pendulum Wars to provide the wealth and resources to build and proliferate Titans and Supercarriers, and so on.
In terms of bloodshed alone you're comparing a bucket to an ocean.
It doesn't matter whether you're in the Pendulum Wars, if you're staking a claim to a nullsec region or just doing mercenary work for those powers, the only effect you really have is on yourself and other capsuleers. This is true. However, there's the question of intent and motivation. You're not going to find many out in null pretending they're "fighting for the Empire" or "fighting for the Tribes" or whatever, while in reality having no impact at all. They fight for something that is actually tangible. Space, wealth, resources and so on.
In the Pendulum War, you're shedding blood over pretense and pretend.
No, to New Eden it's may not be terribly important, but there's no denying it is both more honest and more impactful overall than the damn bloodsport distraction of the militias. |
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1746
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Posted - 2017.01.27 00:29:12 -
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Okay. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
110
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Posted - 2017.01.27 00:30:00 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:
No, to New Eden it's may not be terribly important, but there's no denying it is both more honest and more impactful overall than the damn bloodsport distraction of the militias.
As tiresomely common a view as it is low in aspiration.
To the enlightened wealth is meaningless. A soul, shaped by experience, choice and conviction is the only real tangible value. But I suspect you would not understand and find meaning in sizes of wallets, spaceships and other compensations for the shrivelled limp meaninglessness of your existence. |
Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
912
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Posted - 2017.01.27 04:55:25 -
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Do you OpSEC bro?
I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
110
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Posted - 2017.01.27 07:06:39 -
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Tyrel Toov wrote:Do you OpSEC bro?
This was a preplanned weeks in advance announcement. If you do know about things like strategies, this is the going overt bit. |
Anabella Rella
Gradient Electus Matari
2406
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Posted - 2017.01.27 08:33:38 -
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Yawn.
When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
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Agiri Falken
State War Academy Caldari State
231
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Posted - 2017.01.27 11:47:15 -
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Posting mission relevant information on a public board...
Good job...
Yeah...
*Snerk* |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
908
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Posted - 2017.01.27 17:00:13 -
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With over double the number of active pilots, I am sure this will go down as one of the hardest fought off timezone plexing fests in milita history. There might be a few good fights, but I am highly skeptical of it, either way I wouldn't let it get in the way of ego, as that seems to be the natural order of things. |
Nameira Vanis-Tor
Hoplite Brigade Ushra'Khan
375
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Posted - 2017.01.27 18:07:56 -
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I wait for 2 months and you make your announcement when I'm not combat capable for 24 hours how unhelpful.
Don't worry I will be there to bankrupt your insurers shortly... |
Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
7018
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Posted - 2017.01.27 19:28:01 -
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Agiri Falken wrote:Posting mission relevant information on a public board...
Good job...
Yeah...
*Snerk*
I suppose it counts double if they actually pull it off, though.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
524
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Posted - 2017.01.27 21:12:16 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Agiri Falken wrote:Posting mission relevant information on a public board...
Good job...
Yeah...
*Snerk* I suppose it counts double if they actually pull it off, though.
Well, it's not a surprise to anyone familiar with the current state of the war. So the announcement doesn't really hurt anything operationally. Still, you know how Blood Raiders are, they cannot pass up a chance to make themselves seem important.
And Mizhara, just because he happens to shoot the same targets as we do from time to time does not mean that we are allies by any reasonable definition of the word. We go out of our way to avoid it, but the warzone is not a large place. The enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy.
Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family.
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edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
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Posted - 2017.01.27 21:16:01 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote: The enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy.
Now that is NOT what we were saying over beers!!!! LOL! |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1785
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Posted - 2017.01.27 21:50:44 -
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When the hell did you have a beer with Admiral Lok'ri, and why wasn't I invited? I am PIE's social event honor killer, I should have been informed so that I might fulfill my duty.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Pieter Tuulinen
Tyrathlion Interstellar Rote Kapelle
7021
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Posted - 2017.01.27 22:00:32 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Merchant Rova wrote:I, like, totally remember when militia's were relevant.
The pendulum swings, yada yada, etc etc. They're as relevant as anyone else, to be honest... Unless you think Spaec Warz in uncolonised space are terribly important? While I agree with the general sentiment (that the wars we wage have no real effect on the actual people of the cluster barring our crews) it'd be disingenuous to pretend that the Pendulum Wars can be compared to the stakes out in nullsec. Unless of course you've found a way for Pendulum Wars to provide the wealth and resources to build and proliferate Titans and Supercarriers, and so on. In terms of bloodshed alone you're comparing a bucket to an ocean. It doesn't matter whether you're in the Pendulum Wars, if you're staking a claim to a nullsec region or just doing mercenary work for those powers, the only effect you really have is on yourself and other capsuleers. This is true. However, there's the question of intent and motivation. You're not going to find many out in null pretending they're "fighting for the Empire" or "fighting for the Tribes" or whatever, while in reality having no impact at all. They fight for something that is actually tangible. Space, wealth, resources and so on. In the Pendulum War, you're shedding blood over pretense and pretend. No, to New Eden it's may not be terribly important, but there's no denying it is both more honest and more impactful overall than the damn bloodsport distraction of the militias. Edit: Yes I know some nullseccers like to pretend they are actual nations and so on. In my experience they're very rare.
I'm not going to pretend that the stakes aren't higher for the participants Miz, but I would say that pretty much the only time that your average nullseccer has ANY impact on the wider cluster is when they come back to the Core territories to be... playful... for whatever reason.
Most Nullseccers are shedding blood for corporate masters who will reap the real benefits of their efforts, driving immense economies that they will play little active part in and for reasons that are almost never as they appear. Most Militia pilots are shedding blood for corporate masters who will reap the real benefits of their efforts, driving immense economies that they will play little active part in and for reasons that are almost never as they appear.
I promise. To the vast majority of sentient life, nullseccers are just militia pilots with a couple of extra noughts.
Outside Capsuleer society neither of them have much real impact. And before someone makes the 'prices are set by nullsec blocs' argument - those prices don't affect the cost of a ton of Ammarian wheat or a kiloliter of Caldari vodka to your average prole. The number of people in the market for a T3 Combat Battlecruiser is very small, when expressed as a percentage of the total population.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1113
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Posted - 2017.01.27 22:06:02 -
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Gaven Lok'ri wrote:And Mizhara, just because he happens to shoot the same targets as we do from time to time does not mean that we are allies by any reasonable definition of the word. We go out of our way to avoid it, but the warzone is not a large place. The enemy of my enemy can still be my enemy.
Of course. I am not unsympathetic to your predicament, as there are parallels in every Pendulum War faction. One of the reasons I personally left was because there simply is no will to reject undesirables like that, be they known Sansha associates or in your case Blooders. However, I still do question your priorities.
Is the end you seek truly justifying the means you use to achieve it? The Pendulum War has no real effect on either of our nations, this is well known. At best, it's a place where you can achieve one thing: Setting an example to follow and provide inspiration to the baseliners that actually can affect things in our nations.
So the question then becomes, is setting the example that tolerating, accepting and at times even flying with undesirables - be they Blooder, Sansha, or whatever else - even within your own borders where these people are supposedly an outright enemy of your people truly worth such pitiful gains as imaginary flags on a bloodsport scoreboard?
What would set the greatest example for your people?
Of course, I know you don't have the means to successfully fight them. They'd crush you like an insect in any stand-up engagement simply with sheer numbers. It still begs the question then, if it isn't still worth it in order to keep certain principles rather than abandoning them in favor of an easier path where you're not burdened by principle and honor.
Not that I should really be expecting something like that. It's not like any of the other factions in the Pendulum War has any standards in that regard either, so it's not like you're not clearing the bar set by all the others. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1113
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Posted - 2017.01.27 22:10:22 -
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@Pieter: Pretty much my point, yes. The real differences lie in that nullsec 'militias' tend to benefit personally from the conflicts far more than the pendulum war participants, simply through far better organizational perks and getting (and losing at times) profitable space and assets to exploit. Which makes the stakes, risks and benefits an order of magnitude greater out in null.
To the baseliners? Neither matter much at all. It almost boggles the mind how skillfully and effectively we capsuleers have been cut off from actually mattering sod all to the people we ostensibly claim loyalty to. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
112
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Posted - 2017.01.27 22:39:40 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:When the hell did you have a beer with Admiral Lok'ri, and why wasn't I invited? I am PIE's social event honor killer, I should have been informed so that I might fulfill my duty.
....awkward.... |
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
363
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Posted - 2017.01.28 00:25:10 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:When the hell did you have a beer with Admiral Lok'ri, and why wasn't I invited? I am PIE's social event honor killer, I should have been informed so that I might fulfill my duty. To the beat of the rhythm of the night, until the morning light. Forgetting about the worries on your mind, you can leave them all behind. To the beat of the rhythm of the night.
Obviously ... -.-
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1114
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Posted - 2017.01.28 03:07:05 -
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I hear through the grapevine that this siege isn't going too well. It's just the opening act I'm sure, but so far the 24th is taking two losses for every win, both ship and ISK wise.
... awkward. |
Tsao Aubbes
Imperial Mining Incorporated Brothers of Tangra
45
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Posted - 2017.01.28 03:53:01 -
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I.. don't like to get involved in politics, but.. that is kinda awkward, if true...
Drone Region Resident
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Kolodi Ramal
Sanxing
315
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Posted - 2017.01.28 09:19:26 -
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It's not like the crews in nullsec and the militias are somehow disconnected from the rest of the baseliner population. Who doesn't know somebody who knew somebody who worked shipside and died? These years, when you're a baseliner, you can't go a day browsing galnet without seeing a crew recruitment ad or an education package that leads to a crew tour through contract. On top of that, recruiters for both local rat crews and capsuleer crew pools show up in person in a lot of towns to hard-sell. It's not a dead clone or two floating around in space after a fight that makes the pendulum war a bloodsport. I don't know if it's different in the State and Empire, but in the Republic and Federation there are a lot of things we can change about how our crews are recruited, managed, and compensated, if we choose to. There are some legal limits to mitigate possible damage to planetary economies, but those laws are themselves more limited in scope than they might seem. And then there are the choices we make in space: whether to fly a Gallente ship or not; whether to take a crew on your frigate or accept the hazards of going without; whether to get in CreoDron's good books or ORE's and negotiate for access to experimental automation upgrades; what engagements to get into; what you're willing to risk lives for. But of course it's easier to forget anything past your in-pod Neocom exists. |
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