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Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
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Posted - 2017.02.01 21:12:54 -
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Considering we have a MTU (and variants) and Salvage drones, how difficult would it be to create a tech ii variant or another line that was a mobile Salvage unit? Would be nice to warp in to a site, drove my drones or fighters, drop the MSU, and let them do the work with ought having to have a dedicated Salvage ship.
Also damn it's 2017, can we get a mobile friendly forum? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3684
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Posted - 2017.02.01 21:16:41 -
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because why have even the smallest effort involved
BLOPS Hauler
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Kiddoomer
The Red Sequence
145
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Posted - 2017.02.01 21:29:39 -
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#Lazy
In the name of Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen :
GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'.
Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥
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Frostys Virpio
Yet another corpdot.
3068
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Posted - 2017.02.01 21:43:46 -
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Can I get ISK ticks while I'm docked while we're at it? |
Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3740
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Posted - 2017.02.02 01:43:40 -
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The mtu is bad enough. Please no more.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3557
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Posted - 2017.02.02 01:56:35 -
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Could we also get a mobile mission running unit. That way all you have to do wi warp to the mission pocket drop 3 mobile structures and then collect them in about 15 min or so.
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
443
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Posted - 2017.02.02 03:52:38 -
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Omnathious Deninard wrote:Could we also get a mobile mission running unit. That way all you have to do wi warp to the mission pocket drop 3 mobile structures and then collect them in about 15 min or so. That's the 'Augmented' variant of the T2.
They're expensive, so make sure you don't deploy them without at least two SOE Mobile Repair Units. |
Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:14:03 -
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This is why I avoid the forums.
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46749
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:18:21 -
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Kael Decadence wrote:This is why I avoid the forums.
Because people don't agree with you?
Would be a pretty screwed up place if everybody just agreed on everything.
I also agree with the others. As a game, there has to be things to do. If we turn everything progressively over to deployable structures or other automated processes, then why play? |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
722
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:20:26 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Can I get ISK ticks while I'm docked while we're at it?
As long as you put up sell orders or contracts, sure.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:27:13 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Can I get ISK ticks while I'm docked while we're at it? As long as you put up sell orders or contracts, sure. Set up a mobile hauling unit along with a mobile trading unit.
I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy.
afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
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Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:28:52 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Kael Decadence wrote:This is why I avoid the forums.
Because people don't agree with you? Would be a pretty screwed up place if everybody just agreed on everything. I also agree with the others. As a game, there has to be things to do. If we turn everything progressively over to deployable structures or other automated processes, then why play?
Not because of not agreeing, but because you throw an idea out there and you immediately get **** on like its the dumbest idea in the world. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
722
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:34:09 -
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Back in our day(Not so very long ago) we salvaged in catalysts and we liked it! If you were REAL uppity you did it in a Cane!
Now you kids have rebalanced loot tables, MTU's, and Noctis, and not COMPLETELY rubbish salvage drones, just mostly, and marauders with bastion....
Point is, I still remember when Arbalest heavy missile launchers were like, 14 mil a pop, Scout artillery about the same, and so forth.
Salvage and looting used to be a really viable 'career' choice, but with all these changes, it's pretty much been reduced to an almost PI level of deploy and forget side income.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Van Doe
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Posted - 2017.02.02 11:42:34 -
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Kenrailae wrote:Back in our day(Not so very long ago) we salvaged in catalysts and we liked it! If you were REAL uppity you did it in a Cane!
Now you kids have rebalanced loot tables, MTU's, and Noctis, and not COMPLETELY rubbish salvage drones, just mostly, and marauders with bastion....
Point is, I still remember when Arbalest heavy missile launchers were like, 14 mil a pop, Scout artillery about the same, and so forth.
Salvage and looting used to be a really viable 'career' choice, but with all these changes, it's pretty much been reduced to an almost PI level of deploy and forget side income.
That is true. Back in the day I made a living of ninja salvaging and looting Was enough to earn me a plex a month. And it used to be fun scanning down mission runners and roam truh null. To get on the leftovers of big fights and ratters. Nowadays it is as much fun as shooting rocks.
I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy.
afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
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Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:05:32 -
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Unfortunately though, salvaging has become irrelevant and to some, a chore. The other day when I logged in, my corp mates asked if anyone wanted to Salvage their sites because they didn't really want to. So I ran through in my salvaging caracal after dropping three mtu's, one at each site, then salvaged each site. It was a good length of time to do it. Which made me think of this idea.
If you are carrier ratting or in a battleship trying to run through these sites, how nice it would be to drop a unit to eat up the Salvage while you go hit up another site. |
Kenrailae
Mind Games. Suddenly Spaceships.
722
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:07:33 -
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Kael Decadence wrote:Unfortunately though, salvaging has become irrelevant and to some, a chore. The other day when I logged in, my corp mates asked if anyone wanted to Salvage their sites because they didn't really want to. So I ran through in my salvaging caracal after dropping three mtu's, one at each site, then salvaged each site. It was a good length of time to do it. Which made me think of this idea.
If you are carrier ratting or in a battleship trying to run through these sites, how nice it would be to drop a unit to eat up the Salvage while you go hit up another site.
Go spend 2 hours salvaging in a catalyst. Then you'll see.
The Law is a point of View
The NPE IS a big deal
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Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:14:14 -
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I have. I get it. It sucks. I've also eaten mre's, doesn't mean I have to every day. |
Van Doe
14
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:21:54 -
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#make_salvaging_dangerous_again
I'm not trolling, I create content for everyone to enjoy.
afk cloaky in a system near you while posting in this forum.
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Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
2470
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Posted - 2017.02.02 12:47:19 -
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Kael Decadence wrote:I have. I get it. It sucks. I've also eaten mre's, doesn't mean I have to every day.
So your position on this is that slavaging sucks and is boring, but chain ratting anoms in a perfectly safe sov null backwater system is both interesting and challenging?
Sorry dude, but this idea is all about LAZY and wanting stuff for zero effort. It's going to get carpet bombed w/ -1 based on its merit. The end game for these 'improvements' is that the game keeps getting 'better' until all the satisfaction of earning stuff in the game is gone.
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Daichi Yamato
Xero Security and Technologies
3741
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Posted - 2017.02.02 13:34:51 -
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Thats the thing, salvaging wasn't so much a chore when it was worth something. Instead people hunted mission runners down trying to steal their salvage and others would try to sell their services as salvagers.
Automated mechanics like the mtu made looting and salvaging so easy that the values dropped. That's what automation does. Thats what making anything easier does. Devalues it.
If no one you know wants to salvage cause its not worth their time then they don't have to. The loot prices will be better for it.
EVE FAQ "7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided"
Daichi Yamato's version of structure based decs
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Cade Windstalker
732
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Posted - 2017.02.02 14:30:35 -
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Kael Decadence wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Kael Decadence wrote:This is why I avoid the forums.
Because people don't agree with you? Would be a pretty screwed up place if everybody just agreed on everything. I also agree with the others. As a game, there has to be things to do. If we turn everything progressively over to deployable structures or other automated processes, then why play? Not because of not agreeing, but because you throw an idea out there and you immediately get **** on like its the dumbest idea in the world.
It's not that your idea is particularly worse than the average, it's that it's like the sixth poorly thought out, lazy, or just kinda bad idea that's been posted on here today (not actual numbers, but you get the idea) and after a while people get kind of snarky, especially with ideas like this that are so blatantly "please give me more reward for less work"
Like, I get the impulse on your part, but this isn't even remotely close to an MTU. At least with an MTU the benefit you're actually gaining is pretty small. You're basically trading one module for slightly better wreck grouping and centralized loot. You still need the ability to collect the loot, and with Marauders fitting a Tractor Beam yourself isn't much of an imposition.
Salvage is a bit different though, it's very skill dependent for a start, and there's a very distinct trade off to having enough salvagers to be useful or deploying salvage drones that doesn't really exist with the MTU.
Basically an MTU is replacing one module that many common mission ships could still fit anyway. An auto-salvage deployable would be, as you yourself admit, replacing an entire dedicated ship. |
Kael Decadence
Entropy of Annihilation Legio De Mortem
2
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Posted - 2017.02.02 17:02:58 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote: If no one you know wants to salvage cause its not worth their time then they don't have to. The loot prices will be better for it.
I can certainly see your point there. |
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