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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
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Posted - 2017.02.07 17:46:32 -
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I didn't go back to sleep for long enough...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Salvos Rhoska
2050
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Posted - 2017.02.07 17:54:32 -
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Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.
I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.
Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.
Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.
Lets see.
It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here. Lets see if that is true.
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Mr Mieyli
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.07 18:03:01 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.
I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.
Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.
Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.
Lets see.
It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here. Lets see if that is true.
I don't actually use reddit and if would really like these forums to be The place to come for eve discussions.
I get the concern about player moderation through down votes, and the cliques that it can form. However it's a fact that right now reddit is getting more eve traffic than these forums. They must be doing something right. It's also true that if you present yourself in a friendly manner then you are unlikely to be downvoted. Even still, it's possible that we can take the up/down vote system and improve on it. Perhaps even a blended forum where users can choose to auto hide posts with a certain number of dislikes, adjustable by tolerance of different opinions (no of dislikes).
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Josef Djugashvilis
3522
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Posted - 2017.02.07 18:21:40 -
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Salvos, there is nothing wrong with posting like tiresome 13 year old, (when you are 13) but it is posters like you which lead to these forums being so fiercely censored.
For the good of the forums, just stop.
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Kaleb Mynwarra
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.02.07 18:22:27 -
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Josef Djugashvilis wrote:Salvos, there is nothing wrong with posting like tiresome 13 year old, (when you are 13) but it is posters like you which lead to these forums being so fiercely censored.
For the good of the forums, just stop.
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sero Hita
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
305
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Posted - 2017.02.07 18:25:50 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.
I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.
Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.
Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.
It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here. Lets see if that is true.
well, at least you go in with positive mindset, so what can go wrong? No self-fullfilling prophecies here.... I will prove they will downvote me...
"I'm all for pvp, don't get me wrong. I've ganked in Empire, blobed in low sec. Got T-shirts from every which-where.. But to be forced into a pvp confrontation that I didn't want is wrong ccp." RealFlisker
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Kaleb Mynwarra
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2017.02.07 18:29:11 -
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sero Hita wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:Im not from Vulcan. Im from Finland, which is probbly the closest thing.
I read the opinions and positions here with deep concern.
Im not buying the premises stated and find them largely selfmotivated for personal gain, as well of censoring of what they dont like.
Ill join you on reddit and you will no doubt identify me promplty, down vote what I say that you dont like, and pressure mods to remove me.
It was claimed that reddit offers more freedom than here. Lets see if that is true. well, at least you go in with positive mindset, so what can go wrong? No self-fullfilling prophecies here.... I will prove they will downvote me...
Just had this vision -
" I'm telling you those people don't want me at the party" 15 minutes later the guy get tossed out after taking a dump on the homeowners kitchen table "See I told you. Those people are a bunch of haters" |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27530
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Posted - 2017.02.07 19:49:07 -
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Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop , the previous derailment is on me.
My bad, I allowed him to get my goat.
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners Test Alliance Please Ignore
15116
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Posted - 2017.02.07 20:00:24 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop , the previous derailment is on me. My bad, I allowed him to get my goat.
Stealing a Goat is a felony in my state. Texas Law!
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27530
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Posted - 2017.02.07 20:02:02 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Much as I hate to give certain people some slack; right before the drop , the previous derailment is on me. My bad, I allowed him to get my goat. Stealing a Goat is a felony in my state. Texas Law! In Texas the goat is often a spouse
In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.
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FearlessLittleToaster
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
175
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Posted - 2017.02.07 20:03:15 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships
As an elder god who requires the hate and misery of mortals to exist I must protest this change. I didn't drive Hilmar mad with my dark whispering for it to end so soon. Getting all this set up was a lot of effort, and it was supposed to be a steady food supply for the future. I mean I just spawned, so now I have millions of tiny figments of purest evil about to hatch! How am I supposed to feed them? Think of the children!
If you go through with this madness I'll be waiting for you in that instant of darkness when you blink. And I'll sue. One of these should scare you way more than the other, just sayin. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1584
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Posted - 2017.02.07 20:18:46 -
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GÇ£If you saw Atlas, the giant who holds the world on his shoulders, if you saw that he stood, blood running down his chest, his knees buckling, his arms trembling but still trying to hold the world aloft with the last of his strength, and the greater his effort the heavier the world bore down upon his shoulders - What would you tell him?"
IGǪdon't know. WhatGǪcould he do? What would you tell him?" GǣTo shrug."
ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
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Galaxy Pig
New Order Logistics CODE.
1079
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Posted - 2017.02.07 20:38:09 -
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Oh jeez, not Ayn Rand...
(and people call us a cult...)
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46809
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Posted - 2017.02.07 22:39:24 -
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Mr Mieyli wrote:I don't actually use reddit and I would really like these forums to be The place to come for eve discussions. After falcons comments about a new forum, I want to discuss how this new forum could be as good as possible. As one of the regulars here, I definitely hope the new forums leads to a pickup in activity.
At the same time, I still think there is space for all of the current platforms used by our community, especially reddit.
Whether it's because of some big fight, some great propoganda, or someone creates a thread that is designed as clickbait (eg. I have a hangar full of drugs. What's the best way to sell them), threads from r/eve often end up appearing in the broader subreddits, including r/all where EVE is then seen by a much larger population. Every week almost, there will be an r/eve thread that makes it out to r/all, or r/gaming. It's almost placement of the product through community effort, without CCP having to do much.
If everything occured here only (or more here and the reddit community was less active), the community would be a lot more insular.
As good as traditional forums are for communication and discussion, active communities on reddit and twitter also provide benefits that forums don't offer.
The best is all of the platforms active. None more important than any other. |
Circumstantial Evidence
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Posted - 2017.02.07 23:02:14 -
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One of the better values here is the "dev posts" roll-up. Does such a thing exist in Reddit? or has someone made a site I could bookmark that conglomerates all known ccp user posts on Reddit ? |
Lugh Crow-Slave
3747
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Posted - 2017.02.07 23:44:17 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey Guys Thanks for the comments, it's nice to know there's still a sizeable amount of people who care about the health of the forums, for sure. We're actually in the middle of testing an entirely new forum system with the assistance of our Volunteer team, and we'll more than likely be looking to roll it out somewhere toward the summer The rollout of these forums is going to include a complete rewrite of the forum rules (relaxing quite a few of them), re-organizing our forum categories and the introduction of a new mandate for ISD in terms of how moderation is carried out, as well as a few other things that the community team will be blogging about in the not too distant future (more than likely soon after Fanfest, which happens in April). The idea will be to promote more open and direct (but civil) discussion, and give the community a more relaxed place to talk about spaceships We'll have more information in the near future <3
but the big question
will the devs still be easier to reach on reddit making these forums pointless
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
293
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Posted - 2017.02.07 23:51:26 -
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Reddit is a malodorous skunk hole, where the infighting for fame is extraordinarily vicious, because the prizes are so small.
If I was rethinking this forum, I'd be thinking about what people would pay for, and try to structure it that way, so that the forums can be a self-sustaining creation.
With that overall philosophy I'd look at three things, newsworthiness, fun and visual appeal.
There always tends to be one forum that people pile into.
On these forums it's probably General Discussion.
Why is that?
I call that feature, newsworthiness. It's up to date information across a spectrum of interests. A function of information and time.
So that would be important to have. A big crazy tavern of all sorts of conversation.
Next would be fun. I'd reward good posting, which I break into two groups; fun and/or informative.
Wow! Nice post, here have a fancy EVE jacket, in game or real. Or some game time, or a pile of ISK.
Then the visual stuff, we are all about graphics. Which makes sense, light is a speedy carrier of information, so we tend to rely on our eyes.
How can players create visual content for the EVE forums?
Currently linking to other places gets you a popup message warning you of the dangers of the internet and reminding you to stay in the safe arms of EVE.
So it makes it difficult to organise a ship design contest, or even make a funny gif of being podded.
That's the areas I'd look at.
And I'd take it easy on the heavy breathed marketer with the bad tie, knocking on my spaceship window.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5354
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Posted - 2017.02.08 00:35:10 -
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Anarchy (sorry, "freedom") is about all Reddit has going for it. It's another medium no better or wosrse than Twitter or Facebook. I neither support or condemn it - but it would sure be nice to see the Official EVE Forums spruced up.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Kaleb Mynwarra
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2017.02.08 00:39:18 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:Reddit is a malodorous skunk hole, where the infighting for fame is extraordinarily vicious, because the prizes are so small.
If I was rethinking this forum, I'd be thinking about what people would pay for, and try to structure it that way, so that the forums can be a self-sustaining creation.
With that overall philosophy I'd look at three things, newsworthiness, fun and visual appeal.
There always tends to be one forum that people pile into.
On these forums it's probably General Discussion.
Why is that?
I call that feature, newsworthiness. It's up to date information across a spectrum of interests. A function of information and time.
So that would be important to have. A big crazy tavern of all sorts of conversation.
Next would be fun. I'd reward good posting, which I break into two groups; fun and/or informative.
Wow! Nice post, here have a fancy EVE jacket, in game or real. Or some game time, or a pile of ISK.
Then the visual stuff, we are all about graphics. Which makes sense, light is a speedy carrier of information, so we tend to rely on our eyes.
How can players create visual content for the EVE forums?
Currently linking to other places gets you a popup message warning you of the dangers of the internet and reminding you to stay in the safe arms of EVE.
So it makes it difficult to organise a ship design contest, or even make a funny gif of being podded.
That's the areas I'd look at.
And I'd take it easy on the heavy breathed marketer with the bad tie, knocking on my spaceship window.
There's a few former threads that used to be here that aren't anymore. Though I can't recall the exact title there was a thread specifically earmarked for alliance/corporate warfare. The volume of posts rivaled general. If memory serves there were multiple posts and/or posters promoting the catch phrase " there is no ( insert name ) "
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5365
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Posted - 2017.02.08 00:43:08 -
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I think there is no dog.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Scipio Artelius
Savage Moon Society
46809
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Posted - 2017.02.08 01:33:22 -
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Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:There's a few former threads that used to be here that aren't anymore. Though I can't recall the exact title there was a thread specifically earmarked for alliance/corporate warfare. The volume of posts rivaled general. If memory serves there were multiple posts and/or posters promoting the catch phrase " there is no ( insert name ) "
You are probably thinking of Corporation, Alliance and Organisation Discussion (CAOD).
It used to be very active and CCP have pretty much acknowledged that moderation killed it. They announced new, lighter moderation rules for CAOD a while back in an attempt to liven it up again. Unfortunately everyone had already moved on and much of that discussion has moved to reddit; and for a while Failheap Challenge, but Failheap has almost died too. |
Aaron
Eternal Frontier
441
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Posted - 2017.02.08 03:40:24 -
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I made a thread about a conman being extorted in the crime and punishment section. The conman was given 48 hours to respond to the request for payment or details of his latest en devour (worth almost 1 Trillion) would be leaked.
Immediately a popular mod was posting on there telling me to hurry up and get to the point, i felt that I had a right to express myself within EULA and make the thread interesting by adding some realism into it. The thread was locked and immediately another thread of the same name was created so i had to continue my story there.
I have no idea what happened but it seemed this particular mod had no problem ruining the way my story was told at the request of his friend or for isk.
I was actually quite annoyed and in hindsight I should have complained.
I know this post will probably be removed. I believe this post is on topic because it encapsulates the exact reason why many don't really bother with the Eve forums.
I hope lessons have been learned.
---- Lady Spank, if you are out there I'd like to claim my free spanking.
Fear no one, live life, be free, accept the truth, do not judge others, defend yourself, fight hard till the end, meditate on problems and be prosperous. Things to exist by. -- RAIN Arthie
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2017.02.08 03:46:34 -
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Aaron wrote:I made a thread about a conman being extorted in the crime and punishment section. The conman was given 48 hours to respond to the request for payment or details of his latest en devour (worth almost 1 Trillion) would be leaked.
Immediately a popular mod was posting on there telling me to hurry up and get to the point, i felt that I had a right to express myself within EULA and make the thread interesting by adding some realism into it. The thread was locked and immediately another thread of the same name was created so i had to continue my story there.
I have no idea what happened but it seemed this particular mod had no problem ruining the way my story was told at the request of his friend or for isk.
I was actually quite annoyed and in hindsight I should have complained.
I know this post will probably be removed. I believe this post is on topic because it encapsulates the exact reason why many don't really bother with the Eve forums.
I hope lessons have been learned.
---- Lady Spank, if you are out there I'd like to claim my free spanking.
That is a bit sucky
That sounds like good content to me, exactly the sort of thing we need more of not less.
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morion
Lighting Build
183
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Posted - 2017.02.08 04:39:17 -
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LIVE
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morion
Lighting Build
183
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Posted - 2017.02.08 05:01:11 -
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DioKahn
RedStar Inc. RedStar Inc
1
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Posted - 2017.02.08 06:39:03 -
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Kaleb Mynwarra wrote:Until now I've never put time into playing Eve. Sure back in the day I dipped my toe into the water with the old trial account but other commitments kept me from playing it for more than a short while. The one thing I did do ' back then' was read up on the forums. That was a bit of entertainment all on its own. Epic multi page threads on a myriad of subjects. Corporate intrigue, alliance warfare, double crosses, pirate action, gank fests, and scams all could be found. Most if not all were colorfully written posts with witty responses and many had counter posts also.
Things arent so busy for me now. With that I've got time to play this game. Remembering how much fun I had reading the forums I'd search em out while at lunch or on break. There's just no describing how disappointed I'm am . These days the forums seem so.....well to put it mildly ...bland. There's no flavor anymore. There's no real drama. Everyone is so ...civil. Seriously it makes no sense considering the idea of 'civility' ,particularly in this game , goes out the window as soon as you undock. I'm not talking RL racists, social or sexists comments. Just the good old fashion flames or posts sticking it to this weeks number one bad guy.
Now let me makes this abundantly clear I am in NO way questioning the rules on what can and can't be posted here on the Eve forums. It's thier space and their rules. Same for the moderators. You guys either get paid or volunteer to enforce the rules. That's all good by me.
That said , I can't believe that the complete win that was once in the forums just died. I thinks it's moved on to another place that wasn't so 'structured'. My question is ..where?
Respond here but if it's rule breaking then send me some info via email.
Thanks
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
643
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Posted - 2017.02.08 07:56:59 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:It used to be very active and CCP have pretty much acknowledged that moderation killed it. They announced new, lighter moderation rules for CAOD a while back in an attempt to liven it up again. Unfortunately everyone had already moved on and much of that discussion has moved to reddit; and for a while Failheap Challenge.
That's why I think o-forum is FUBAR. Lighter rules won't solve this. It will be some forum moderation vs reddit. Frankly I didn't like reddit, it's a mess, just wall of information incoming, but now I get used to and "it is the place where the fun go". Tight moderation was a mistake, suddenly devs realize that they have no representative group of players on o-forum so they are turned into other sites. Mistake beyond repair. Second was banning players on forum. Remember Dinsdale? I don't care if he is a forum troll etc. You may not like him, disagree with him but banning is not the way you speak with other peoples (in fact with Pirannha worst thing you can do to him was not posting in his threads...), but because of him and people alike Dinsdale forum lived.
I strongly disagree with statement that devs posting on other social medias is helping gather new players. Game balancing / new features introducing will be incomprehensible for non-eve players.
"I am tormented with an everlasting itch for things remote. I love to sail forbidden seas..." - Herman Melville
If you need a scout mail me.
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Salvos Rhoska
2058
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Posted - 2017.02.08 09:04:22 -
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There is a blatant hypocrisy here by some posters.
First they claim they prefer Reddit, because they claim it it is less restrictive, with less rules.
But then they turn around and state how its a good thing that Reddit mass up/down voting censures posters with unpopular views vs a majority, and mods are un-vetted partisans.
This confirms what I said about the true motivations of persons that prefer Reddit.
They are trying to extricate discussion, posters and Devs to a 3rd party platform where THEY can censure and control content by majority, rather than rules.
They want an echo-chamber, where they can subdue and silence voices/views they dont "like", based on personal bias rather than shared universal rules.
The result is if 2 persons commit the same action, instead of both of those persons being held to the same rules/standards, the Reddit community can instead silence one of them, whilst raising the volume of the other, completely arbitrarily, depending on their own bias.
I think its abhorrent. Its rule by a mob.
Instead of content standing on its own merits and being argued as such by other content standing on its own merit, it is subjected to arbitrary raising or lowering of its volume based on a simple click of up/down.
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DioKahn
RedStar Inc. RedStar Inc
1
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Posted - 2017.02.08 09:07:33 -
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Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is a blatant hypocrisy here by some posters.
First they claim they prefer Reddit, because they claim it it is less restrictive, with less rules.
But then they turn around and state how its a good thing that Reddit mass up/down voting censures posters with unpopular views vs a majority, and mods are partisan.
This confirms what I said about the true motivations of persons that prefer Reddit.
They are trying to extricate discussion, posters and Devs ro a 3rd party platform where THEY can censure and control content by majority, rather than rules.
They want an echo-chamber, where they can subdue and silence voices/views they dont "like", based on personal bias rather than shared universal rules.
The result is if 2 persons commit the same action, instead of both of those persons being held to the same rules/standards, the Reddit community can instead silence one of them, whilst raising the volume of the other, completely arbitrarily, depending on their own bias. Blatent hypocracy! Listen to this guy.... lol. He's fkg srs and this is srs chit. |
Salvos Rhoska
2058
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Posted - 2017.02.08 09:11:39 -
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DioKahn wrote:Salvos Rhoska wrote:There is a blatant hypocrisy here by some posters.
First they claim they prefer Reddit, because they claim it it is less restrictive, with less rules.
But then they turn around and state how its a good thing that Reddit mass up/down voting censures posters with unpopular views vs a majority, and mods are partisan.
This confirms what I said about the true motivations of persons that prefer Reddit.
They are trying to extricate discussion, posters and Devs ro a 3rd party platform where THEY can censure and control content by majority, rather than rules.
They want an echo-chamber, where they can subdue and silence voices/views they dont "like", based on personal bias rather than shared universal rules.
The result is if 2 persons commit the same action, instead of both of those persons being held to the same rules/standards, the Reddit community can instead silence one of them, whilst raising the volume of the other, completely arbitrarily, depending on their own bias. Blatent hypocracy! Listen to this guy.... lol. He's fkg srs and this is srs chit.
Example A:
On Reddit, my post and view above would no doubt be mass down-voted, rather than argued on its content.
Whereas Dio's shiptoasting one-liner crap would no doubt be mass up-voted, despite the fact its a completely useless, contentless piece of garbage.
You just proved my point completely.
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