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Indahmawar Fazmarai
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Posted - 2017.02.13 07:58:12 -
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Andrei Rianovski wrote:I have no problem with people disagreeing to my points.
I'm happy to see that so far everybody posting here (and some of the CSM?) were against removing the regional stats from the MER.
Let's be realistic: the CSM is intended to represent the players, but it's far from a perfect system. There's probably only a few dozen players who want the regional stats removed from the MER, and hundreds or thousands of players who want it to stay in the MER. Right?!
As mentioned above, it's neat too to see nullsec people actually starting to produce and trade more. That is what the new structures were intended to help do - spread out production and trade from the few great hubs, and make New Eden's trade and production landscape more varied and interesting. The regional stats are showing us that it's actually happening and that IS interesting ...
Another way to think of it... keep the stats or remove them, will any players be so upset to quit over it? In both directions, the answer is no, so, why make the change? The only difference is this:
1) Keep the stats - a handful of players (paranoid alliance leaders and nobody else) are a little uncomfortable about some free data 2) Lose the stats - hundreds or thousands of players are sad and disappointed that CCP caved to the request of a few
Just pick the lesser of two evils...
Exactly this.
Yet, notice that you're not being asked your opinion about removing the nullsec regional stats, you're being informed on when and why the nullsec regional stats will be gone.
So kiss those nullsec regional stats good bye because that handful of paranoid people used the appropiate trigger words and dropped them in the appropiate ears before you even knew what was going on.
This is how EVE meta works, and CCP is happy to oblige. |
Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
160
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Posted - 2017.02.14 12:47:20 -
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Well that's a nice set of graphs too bad about the regional breakdowns :( Maybe we can vote for CSM members who are for the reintroduction of the regional graphs in the MER and run their campaign around this. Ask them the hard questions about if they are for a unified MER or the coming fractured unattainable MER. |
Akrasjel Lanate
Naquatech Conglomerate Naquatech Syndicate
1963
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Posted - 2017.02.14 14:21:42 -
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Quote:This was a request by the CSM (Aryth).
Not in favor of proposed change, but CCP will do whats best for umm.. them(?).
Akrasjel Lanate
Founder and CEO of Naquatech Conglomerate
Executor of Naquatech Syndicate
Citizen of Solitude
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Grash Uriza
calibrated chaos Triumvirate.
32
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Posted - 2017.02.15 07:23:41 -
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Scatim Helicon wrote: Having inconvenient facts rubbed in their faces on a regular basis through CCP reports makes that narrative harder to uphold.
Let's talk some inconvenient facts...
1) You've known about these reports. They've been around over a year now. 2) You didn't make a stink about them before... 3) The Jan MER report showed data you didn't want to others to known. (Having said that, Bravo on those Delve Numbers) 4) Now that we all know you have rock pounding hard-ons, The CSM Member of your alliance pushes and gets rid of the Regional MER. 5) And we know it was Aryth because his name is the only one in CSM Minutes. No one else is mentioned by name.
What your boy Aryth just did stinks like a bloated fedo that gorged on ozone and blew itself inside out. Don't be a inside out Fedo.
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Owen Levanth
Sagittarius Unlimited Exploration
543
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Posted - 2017.02.15 13:16:22 -
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Grash Uriza wrote:Scatim Helicon wrote: Having inconvenient facts rubbed in their faces on a regular basis through CCP reports makes that narrative harder to uphold.
Let's talk some inconvenient facts... 1) You've known about these reports. They've been around over a year now. 2) You didn't make a stink about them before... 3) The Jan MER report showed data you didn't want to others to known. (Having said that, Bravo on those Delve Numbers) 4) Now that we all know you have rock pounding hard-ons, The CSM Member of your alliance pushes and gets rid of the Regional MER. 5) And we know it was Aryth because his name is the only one in CSM Minutes. No one else is mentioned by name. What your boy Aryth just did stinks like a bloated fedo that gorged on ozone and blew itself inside out. Don't be a inside out Fedo.
Fascinating story. Do you know how I noticed what was going in Delve? I opened the in-game map and set some filters.
Reading the reports with actual hard numbers on them is a nice bonus, but the data doesn't just disappear if the regional reports aren't released. I still would like to read them since it's easier than playing around with the map filters, but let's not delude ourselves into thinking "hiding" the regional reports would hide the actual information.
Edit:
That said, if the regional reports are actually removed, I'll enter the race for CSM on a "Let's bring regional reports back"-platform. |
who1 eva
KEQ Industrial Complex
10
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Posted - 2017.02.16 21:36:08 -
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Availability of regional data in the MERs is part of what makes the Eve economy such a complex and interesting one to be involved with.
Please reconsider dropping what many people consider to be the most interesting part of the reports! |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2069
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Posted - 2017.02.17 09:46:17 -
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Regional data is interesting. But who does it hurt for it to be removed? Only one person in this thread mentioned that he has business interest in this information. Others just do not like having 'interesting information' removed.
On one hand some of people living in those regions are not comfortable with publicly available statistic about their business. On other - people like to have this information, "it's interesting".
For some reason i feel that first group has more weight in this story. I'm i getting this wrong?
The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
5556
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:14:43 -
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March rabbit wrote:Regional data is interesting. But who does it hurt for it to be removed? Only one person in this thread mentioned that he has business interest in this information. Others just do not like having 'interesting information' removed.
On one hand some of people living in those regions are not comfortable with publicly available statistic about their business. On other - people like to have this information, "it's interesting".
For some reason i feel that first group has more weight in this story. I'm i getting this wrong?
Well of course lobbies have more weight on matters affecting them. As I said, they just dropped the right code words on the right ears and a decission was made to favor a tiny minority in disregard of the majority of players.
"Hey guys, this service we provided for your money has become a secret need-to-know-only inteligence because a couple guys asked it, so eff you".
Exactly as when CCP harmed everyone to please supercap pilots who wanted to stay hidden in friend lists. Instead of allowing players to hide their online status, CCP just hid it for everybody so now nobody knows when a friend is back... Typical CCP shoddiness and love for whatever exits the back end of a nullseccer. |
Xandr Che Balilla
Excoriate Fascist Tyranny
0
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Posted - 2017.02.21 16:13:23 -
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Citizens,
Many of us remember when a single alliance nearly completely dominated our galaxy. Undisputed they reigned, until infighting finally broke their grasp! How can hegemony like this be positive for the collective?! CCP! how can this kind of imbalance be good for the game at large!
And present evidence ... that THEY wish to suppress, suggests an onslaught orders of magnitude beyond that which as come before is now in the making. The idle minds at the CSM ask US for a reason why they should resist, FOOLS! Publishing the MER in detail allows rivals a fighting chance to bring the hope of BALANCE to the universe and PREVENT the crushing tyranny of a single TWISTED oligarchy!!
If CCP is truly interested in removing the sanctity of invulnerable low sec and null sec stations, then game balance is even more vital. IMPOSE a simple yet easily reasonable rule on corporations: the bigger you are, the more we see. DEMAND TRANSPARENCY for each corporation that controls %5 or more of galactic wealth! Only then can the specter of massive wealth concentration be broken - EVE has won accolades for its substantially better than IRL wealth distribution (https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/5b4j5l/wealth_distribution_in_eve_online), this ATTRACTS followers! And the MER can enable exactly this.
Greed, tyranny, and in groups, fascism ... these are the hideous failings of the infantile human psyche. Ugly warts on the face of humanity! They MUST be controlled! We should even promote SYSTEM LEVEL stats for those corps which have run amok! The more you control, the more transparent your operations. BRING BALANCE once again TO OUR UNIVERSE!! |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
27931
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:18:17 -
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What are Goons losing too much Rorqs?
Every part of a game helps to tell a story =ƒôò
Where is Angry CONCORD guy when you need him
Osprey =ƒÜÇ
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pinkajoo
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Posted - 2017.02.21 18:37:35 -
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I say keep publishing it, cause it can help bring about conflict. |
Thomas Lot
Astrocomical Warped Intentions
100
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Posted - 2017.02.21 21:07:40 -
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Without the regional numbers, the monthly economic report is just a sit-rep on the game activity in general.
I oppose the removal of the regional breakdown of the economic numbers.
It sincerely appears that the CSM is not a functioning body representing the interests of the general population of the game. |
Arronicus
Fusion Enterprises Ltd Badfellas Inc.
1579
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Posted - 2017.02.22 00:19:54 -
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Thomas Lot wrote:Without the regional numbers, the monthly economic report is just a sit-rep on the game activity in general.
I oppose the removal of the regional breakdown of the economic numbers.
It sincerely appears that the CSM is not a functioning body representing the interests of the general population of the game.
Basically a self-serving entity elected mostly by people who don't vote for their candidate on any other grounds than 'they're in my alliance/I was told to vote for them'. It's no surprise we have people like Aryth on the CSM who would put a minor perceived risk to their money making over the health of the game as a whole. I can't really blame groups like goonswarm for electing self-interest candidates, but it's obviously an indicator of a broken system. |
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