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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3271
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Posted - 2017.04.07 23:48:57 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:By now everyone would be used to the death and ressurection show that we capsuleers perform from time to time. Sure, some deaths are worse than others, but we have the best tech available to ensure we are not gone for long.
My main concern is for the crew and scientists that are not fortunate (nor rich) enough to have access to cloning tech. Hope their respective institutions had updated clones of them prior to the Inquest.
If any capsuleer does get infected, take the express way out of this body and get on a new one fast.
Direct cloning maybe contraindicated: neurological symptoms. Reversibility and extent of damage unclear.
Pseudo-immortality: strained a little. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3271
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:13:29 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:The alarm just triggered: Kyonoke detected aboard. To probably nobody's great surprise.
It's a little hard to detect. I wonder how long it's been here. Okay, this is starting to become a farce. Who writes this crap? No really, this is starting to look like poorly written fiction more than anything else. New Eden's doing my bloody head in, I swear.
Hey, Miz? The view's a little different from over here.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:18:58 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote: Direct cloning maybe contraindicated: neurological symptoms. Reversibility and extent of damage unclear.
Pseudo-immortality: strained a little.
Well, at least i make sure that i have the most updated information stored whenever i leave my pod to avoid this exactly type of problem. As long as i do this, i have no issues with mortality.
But yes, if the ones infected have trouble with their transfer, better resort to the latest backup instead.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9472
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:22:15 -
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A more formal declaration will follow in coming days. As you can imagine, our staff is working long hours and so our publishing pace has slowed.
Today, ARC decisively supported the Caldari act for sovereignty and information integrity on containment over the Gallente act banning extreme measures to sanitize quarantine zones.
It is not ARC's desire to limit transparency. We believe all stakeholders benefit from free flow of information. However, we believe that we may need decisive action to cleanse the quarantine zones if we are unable to secure an effective treatment regime. In the interest of trying to prevent future crises of this sort, we were compelled to act against the Gallente measure.
It is our hope that a treatment regime may be developed and what survivors there are may be saved.
Hope, however, is not effective basis for policy.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
21
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Posted - 2017.04.08 00:30:10 -
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Please invite everyone at the inquest to share the information they gather so we outside can look at the material and help with process in a more cool headed way.
With the information so far there are a lot of things suggesting foul play from unkown actors, imagine with all the info that is in there.
I hope we stay focused on the safe recovery and treatment of the population instead of political powerplay from the major factions. |
James Syagrius
Reclamation
1645
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Posted - 2017.04.08 01:20:29 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Today, ARC decisively supported the Caldari act for sovereignty and information integrity on containment over the Gallente act banning extreme measures to sanitize quarantine zones.
In the interest of trying to prevent future crises of this sort, we were compelled to act against the Gallente measure. Who would have thought?
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
664
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Posted - 2017.04.08 03:22:25 -
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James Syagrius wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Today, ARC decisively supported the Caldari act for sovereignty and information integrity on containment over the Gallente act banning extreme measures to sanitize quarantine zones.
In the interest of trying to prevent future crises of this sort, we were compelled to act against the Gallente measure. Who would have thought? Here is how it works.
There is a very cunning and malicious force in play that puts a lot of obstacles on the way of our investigators. A rogue agent, codename "Vulture", current affiliation unknown. He is actively sabotaging the Inquest and attempting to throw the investigation off course. So far a team of our investigators (big thanks to ARC Associates who decided to sign up with us at the event) has been extremely successful in a process of putting what little data we were able to retrieve and reconstruct to piece a more or less coherent picture of what is happening.
We have passed a resolution on vaccine application. It is very useful, partly because Minmatar have the vaccine. Overnight, there's been an attack on their lab and the vaccine was stolen and partly destroyed. This is "Vulture"'s doing. During the course of the day we were able piece some parts of it together and also the research data on it so we will be able to actually reconstruct it and apply to the infected according to the resolution.
The key to this is Patient 7, Akira Kasaras who disappeared from Minmatar lab under unknown circumstances. She was successfully cured of Kyonoke Plague. However, she is showing possible side effects of paranoia and excessive anger. According to the available data we have, we know she is still onboard, as is the "Vulture". "Vulture" is actively trying to eliminate her - they both were involved in the shootout at the Minmatar lab, according to the evidence we have. She is wounded right now and we are attempting to locate her. Considering the fact that we may have been exposed to Kyonoke ourselves, some of us don't care about personal safety, as you may imagine.
Today we helped pass the Caldari Resolution that still enables us to glass the quarantine zones if a need arises. If we locate Akira Kasaras, that may not be necessary, if we don't, then we are likely to be left out of a viable vaccine and by that point if things go even more sideways, we may just have one big tea ceremony. The thing is that extreme heat kills Kyonoke. Even if we successfully cure all remaining infected, we will still need to cleanse the infected areas to eliminate the possibility of another outbreak.
Personal vendettas against Amarr celebrities that other delegates try to pass with Gallente resolutions and Ex-CSM members trying to sabotage and steal Society equipment do not help resolve the situation. We are being actively sabotaged on all fronts by our fellow delegates and an extremely dangerous bioterrorist. As you may imagine, operating under such extreme conditions may be quite stressful. This is why it is important to not let nationalism take over and stay calm.
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Hetu Hegirin
Otherwhere Circle
107
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Posted - 2017.04.08 03:49:31 -
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Jaret Victorian wrote:James Syagrius wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:Today, ARC decisively supported the Caldari act for sovereignty and information integrity on containment over the Gallente act banning extreme measures to sanitize quarantine zones.
In the interest of trying to prevent future crises of this sort, we were compelled to act against the Gallente measure. Who would have thought? Here is how it works. [...] Admittedly, Priano-haani issued a statement that left me disconcerted and disheartened. I had hoped for a commitment to science from ARC, which appeared to be set aside in order to cement isolationist information practices. Your explanation underscores my own ignorance of the Inquest process that SoCT have established, a process that is politicized from its very bones. This is regrettable, but not within our power to reform. We all must work within their framework during a volatile and deadly situation, and as a result, I cannot fault ARC for their decisions.
While you owed no explanation, your statement is informative and encouraging. Caution and clear thinking must prevail. Thank you, Victorian-haan.
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Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
666
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Posted - 2017.04.08 03:58:10 -
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Hetu Hegirin wrote: Admittedly, Priano-haani issued a statement that left me disconcerted and disheartened. I had hoped for a commitment to science from ARC, which appeared to be set aside in order to cement isolationist information practices. Your explanation underscores my own ignorance of the Inquest process that SoCT have established, a process that is politicized from its very bones. This is regrettable, but not within our power to reform. We all must work within their framework during a volatile and deadly situation, and as a result, I cannot fault ARC for their decisions.
While you owed no explanation, your statement is informative and encouraging. Caution and clear thinking must prevail. Thank you, Victorian-haan.
Thank you for your words. We apologize that we are unable to provide more details at the moment, but we assure you that we backup all available information and navigate the situation at the H4-RP4 facility with people's best interests in our minds.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9473
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Posted - 2017.04.08 07:32:28 -
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The unfortunate thing is that we are not able to vote against resolutions, excepting that we support another. Were it possible, the ARC coordination group did not like either act, and would have rebuffed them both. However, it may be necessary to undertake extreme measures to eliminate the Kyonoke pathogen, especially if we are unable to secure Akira Kasaras before 'Vulture' does. The unfortunate and brutal necessity of preserving the ability to act decisively compelled us to this course of action, despite our desire to ensure transparency.
As such, while we will be unable to ensure transparency by the major powers, ARC will be providing a full update once the Inquest closes, with all available intelligence, rationales, and general developments of each day.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9475
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Posted - 2017.04.08 12:31:41 -
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A note.
One of the most powerful other blocs is actually a single psychotic capsuleer with no desire but to spread chaos.
She's attempting to coopt ARC efforts, with the objective of... something? Possibly even just thwarting it for attention?
Whatever else happens, this vexes me.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1521
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Posted - 2017.04.08 12:35:30 -
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So there's downsides to an inquest that is buy-in and only available to those with too much money, spare time and no other pressing duties. Who'dhavethunkit. |
Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
21
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Posted - 2017.04.08 12:42:47 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The unfortunate thing is that we are not able to vote against resolutions, excepting that we support another; essentially, it's not A or Not-A and B or Not-B, but A or B. Were it possible, the ARC coordination group did not like either act, and would have rebuffed them both. However, it may be necessary to undertake extreme measures to eliminate the Kyonoke pathogen, especially if we are unable to secure Akira Kasaras before 'Vulture' does. The unfortunate and brutal necessity of preserving the ability to act decisively compelled us to this course of action, despite our desire to ensure transparency. As such, while we will be unable to ensure transparency by the major powers, ARC will be providing a full update once the Inquest closes, with all available intelligence, rationales, and general developments of each day.
I read somewhere that you can make amends to the text so that is not A OR B, go for AB option. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9477
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Posted - 2017.04.08 13:12:59 -
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Doing so is prohibitively expensive.
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Ria Nieyli
50539
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Posted - 2017.04.08 14:42:38 -
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Apparently, there's a Kyonoke outbreak onboard the inquest Keepstar.
Glass everything. It is the only way. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1077
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:02:05 -
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Morgana Tsukiyo wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:The unfortunate thing is that we are not able to vote against resolutions, excepting that we support another; essentially, it's not A or Not-A and B or Not-B, but A or B. Were it possible, the ARC coordination group did not like either act, and would have rebuffed them both. However, it may be necessary to undertake extreme measures to eliminate the Kyonoke pathogen, especially if we are unable to secure Akira Kasaras before 'Vulture' does. The unfortunate and brutal necessity of preserving the ability to act decisively compelled us to this course of action, despite our desire to ensure transparency. As such, while we will be unable to ensure transparency by the major powers, ARC will be providing a full update once the Inquest closes, with all available intelligence, rationales, and general developments of each day. I read somewhere that you can make amends to the text so that is not A OR B, go for AB option.
According to a contact I have in the InQuest, the "SoCT have made it too expensive to offer that amendment" Whatever that means. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1077
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:04:07 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Doing so is prohibitively expensive.
You are the second person to say this to me.
Can you explain?
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
25
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Posted - 2017.04.08 15:28:42 -
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Crowdfund the resources!
Tomorrow on The Scope: "Cheap capsuleer bastards dont want to spend resources to solve problems that major factions started. As usual, the population suffer. RIOTS and decapitaded heads from the upper and burocratic class everywhere." |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9477
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Posted - 2017.04.08 16:48:34 -
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ARC's funding is largely sourced by our various associates and members. We're in good stead at the moment, and believe the final day's actions will hopefully prove our dedication to transparency. The modification we wished for on the second day, however, would have prevented us from passing our preferred act.
A cure has been sourced and is in production, and our associates in space and in the station are attempting to ensure security as we attempt to completely secure the facility before conclusion of the Inquest.
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Morgana Tsukiyo
Samsara Dynamics
25
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Posted - 2017.04.08 16:51:02 -
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There is a huge difference between:
- Hey, the tab for the proposal that is not binary will be 1 trillion isk, we don-¦t have it, give us moneys
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- It-¦s expensive, won-¦t happen. |
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1322
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Posted - 2017.04.08 17:10:18 -
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I love the second guessing being done by people who are not there of people who are there. Really drives home a few important facts about Capsuleers. |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1526
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Posted - 2017.04.08 17:20:53 -
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It's more questioning that they're locking these procedures behind amongst other things a massive paywall - not payable in ISK by the way - and other things ensuring that only a few get to be part of it, when it's affecting potentially all of New Eden. That really drives home a few important facts about the powers that be. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3274
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Posted - 2017.04.08 18:01:26 -
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Well ... it looks like we really might not die.
A cure's assembled. Side effects so far, from experience: very uncomfortable to receive, causes dizziness.
Oh, and we found the saboteur: our somewhat dubious project director was apparently a clonejacking victim.
The vote to not glass ourselves and the cure was a little one-sided.
Maybe ... this will be okay.
If all goes well, it may be a couple days, but, unless something else awful happens, it looks like we'll make it through. It's not probably going to be as simple as just casting a vote, but, it looks like this will be all right. For once ... maybe ... we aren't just "gods of destruction." |
Kasuko Merin
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
8
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Posted - 2017.04.08 18:07:49 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:It's more questioning that they're locking these procedures behind amongst other things a massive paywall - not payable in ISK by the way - and other things ensuring that only a few get to be part of it, when it's affecting potentially all of New Eden. That really drives home a few important facts about the powers that be.
What are you going on about? Paywalls? Did I miss a news article? |
Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1528
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Posted - 2017.04.08 19:14:49 -
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Not everything is in the news. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3105
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Posted - 2017.04.08 19:51:38 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:A cure has been sourced and is in production, and our associates in space and in the station are attempting to ensure security as we attempt to completely secure the facility before conclusion of the Inquest.
A cure that's gonna be available in sufficent quantity to purge the Keepstar where the cure's being produced?
Honestly, who didn't see this coming? Dire warnings about how freakin' stupid it is to put all your eggs in one basket, and criticisms of single-point-of-failure systems aside, even the vaccine for this thing makes people nutjobs. And now the cure's under security lockdown because hey, guess what, everyone where the cure is is gonna die, and they turned off all of the communications systems. Wouldn't want anyone transmitting the cure to other production facilities, I guess.
It's times this that I really think we should've just blown up that keepstar before the scientists started arriving.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9480
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Posted - 2017.04.08 20:02:16 -
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Notably, Arrendis, members of the staff who tried to escape were gunned down on the docks, and the clonejacker was caught via detection of innervation issues arising from the process. Significant strides have been made to secure the facility, and reliable parties have been used to corset the existing forces aboard the station.
I think we're going to manage.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1647
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Posted - 2017.04.08 20:33:29 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:The unfortunate thing is that we are not able to vote against resolutions, excepting that we support another; essentially, it's not A or Not-A and B or Not-B, but A or B. Were it possible, the ARC coordination group did not like either act, and would have rebuffed them both. However, it may be necessary to undertake extreme measures to eliminate the Kyonoke pathogen, especially if we are unable to secure Akira Kasaras before 'Vulture' does. The unfortunate and brutal necessity of preserving the ability to act decisively compelled us to this course of action, despite our desire to ensure transparency. As such, while we will be unable to ensure transparency by the major powers, ARC will be providing a full update once the Inquest closes, with all available intelligence, rationales, and general developments of each day. While I thank you for your measured response, something about this whole situation smells.
Jaret Victorian wrote:As you may imagine, operating under such extreme conditions may be quite stressful. This is why it is important to not let nationalism take over and stay calm. I would imagine it is. You gave a very thorough yet concise description of the situation... as you see it. But you will forgive me if I don't take you at your word. I hope you prove me wrong, by practicing what you preach.
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James Syagrius
Reclamation
1647
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Posted - 2017.04.08 20:36:08 -
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Mizhara Del'thul wrote:Not everything is in the news. A truer statement was ever uttered.
GÇ£Here also are the heralds of his praise."
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Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3106
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Posted - 2017.04.08 23:03:52 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:Notably, Arrendis, members of the staff who tried to escape were gunned down on the docks, and the clonejacker was caught via detection of innervation issues arising from the process. Significant strides have been made to secure the facility, and reliable parties have been used to corset the existing forces aboard the station.
I think we're going to manage.
Not for nothing, Makoto, but on a facility of that size, there's really no way to be completely sure that someone hasn't slipped off into the dark parts of the structure, bearing the pathogen in their own system. Not in such a short amount of time. That's one of the reasons quarantines exist: you wait long enough that if there was anyone still infected, they'd be nice and visible and busy with the process of dying.
So how long does something the size of a Keepstar remain quarantined to ensure there aren't still carriers secreted away in the bowels of the structure, stuffed into a cryotube somewhere to try to wait out the authorities? How thinly do security forces have to spread to comb every nook and cranny of the structure, knowing that the more thinly-spread they are, the more likely they are to be insufficient to deal with a small, fortified group of armed maniacs with a biological weapon who can hit them from ambush? After all, if they don't spread out, the search takes longer, it's easier for a small group to move from place to place to evade the search, and if the searchers do get exposed, there's more chance of it getting back ot the general population of the Keepstar.
That's not a search you conduct in a matter of hours, or probably even days. Not if you want to be sure. Not if you want the rest o the cluster to believe you're sure. And until that's done, the whole thing has to stay locked down. Which means none of that cure is getting out. Heck, the cure can't even be produced until the facilitiy can be guaranteed clear, because again, it needs to be trusted.
Start producing the cure before the facility can be credibly and thoroughly searched top to bottom, and the next move by the terrorists is a no-brainer: start spreading rumors that the cure has been tainted, that they got to it before security caught them. Hello wide-spread panic! So the cure gets delayed... because everyone thought it was a great idea to introduce a single point-of-failure to a system that didn't need one.
And for the record: suddenly there's a cure? Three whole days of collaborationGÇömuch of it in conferencesGÇöand there's a cure already tested and independently verified by completely uninvolved parties? The long-term side effects are understood? The virus is definitely completely gone, and won't flare up again in a year, turning all those 'cured' people into carriers to deliver bioweapons to all the places they've spread out to?
Do the rest of us a favor while you're all locked up there: take another two weeks, heck, take a month, and solve all the problems of cluster-wide peace and resource management.
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