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Quartz Jori
Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:11:18 -
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An excerpt from the news crawl on the Scope's most recent report, which can be found here.
Quote:>>BREAKING NEWS<< CALDARI STATE CONFRIMES PRESENCE OF KYONOKE PLAGUE IN QUARANTINED CITY OF MYRSKAA ON OIJANEN II - COMMUNICATION LOCKDOWN IN EFFECT
It looks like it really is Kyonoke this time. |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
217
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:24:41 -
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Huh, lookit that. This is totally and, like, absolutly screwed, bro.
Glory to Bob
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
310
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:29:38 -
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This is . . . not good news. Might be time for a vacation on an uninhabited terrestrial planet out in Anoikis. |
Vincent Pryce
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
308
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:41:03 -
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I find Scope's ass backward priorities somewhat amusing. They saw fit to hype our Gala and leave Kyonoke as foot note in the scrollbar. One would think the Kyonoke pathogen is a bit more dangerous to the people than a week long party.
"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."
Domination Seraphim
Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
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Avio Yaken
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2275
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:52:53 -
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Vincent Pryce wrote:I find Scope's ass backward priorities somewhat amusing. They saw fit to hype our Gala and leave Kyonoke as foot note in the scrollbar. One would think the Kyonoke pathogen is a bit more dangerous to the people than a week long party.
They be advertising the Gala so we know where to get a drink. So we can just drown the thought of the pathogen spreading outside the pit...
Any idea if one of theses bases can fix me up a good Starsi and rum?
(.___________________________________________.)/
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Vincent Pryce
Vector Galactic Did he say Jump
314
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Posted - 2017.02.14 16:57:10 -
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Avio Yaken wrote:Vincent Pryce wrote:I find Scope's ass backward priorities somewhat amusing. They saw fit to hype our Gala and leave Kyonoke as foot note in the scrollbar. One would think the Kyonoke pathogen is a bit more dangerous to the people than a week long party. They be advertising the Gala so we know where to get a drink. So we can just drown the thought of the pathogen spreading outside the pit... Any idea if one of theses bases can fix me up a good Starsi and rum?
Just in case the bases are out of both, The Eyrie of Heaven will meet your needs.
"From your Curse we made Heaven for ourselves."
Domination Seraphim
Cartel approved, Heaven blessed
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Tsao Aubbes
Imperial Mining Incorporated Brothers of Tangra
55
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:00:32 -
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Well.. this.. umm.. can't be good. Not one bit, nope. Not good at all.
Drone Region Resident
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Galm Eskola-Fae
The Bosena Accords
26
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:04:45 -
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Understandably the revelation that all of these outbreaks are caused by Kyonoke Plague might make many baseliners and even empyreans nervous to go into these high-risk areas.
I assure anyone living near the Muttokon site, my warclones aren't going anywhere. The infection is thoroughly contained, and even if it should break containment infection is of little consequence to an immortal soldier. We will continue to standby the local civilians, help maintain order, and ensure that basic sanitation and healthcare services continue to be provided to prevent the risk of further spread of this disease.
Take care, friends. |
Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1012
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:24:11 -
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Okay, I'll say it. Who's behind the attack?
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9128
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:26:02 -
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That's an excellent question. I can only assume that the State is already analyzing the black box and any other data they can from the frigate wreckage near Myrskaa.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:27:06 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Okay, I'll say it. Who's behind the attack?
Could there be a connection with the Angel Cartel?
However since it is Kyonoke the last know terrorists to have was Sansha Nation?
Ali, we have them in Nakri among the belt.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Morgan Wulver
The Bosena Accords
150
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:35:49 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Okay, I'll say it. Who's behind the attack? Sansha. Drifters. The Deathless. Tibus Heth's head on a robot body? Not enough information to go off of at this time but it doesn't seem like their ideology lines up with any particular empire... Assuming this is an attack at all.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1013
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:37:40 -
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I am predisposed to believe it's Tibus Heth's head on a robot body, actually. Now that you've mentioned it.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
1946
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:42:55 -
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Seems like the Caldari State has declared a full scale emergency.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2942
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Posted - 2017.02.14 17:44:08 -
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Well ... that's the sensible way to start.
I guess we're just awaiting verification from the other quarantine areas, now. |
Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:29:53 -
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I always appreciate when another colleague points out something that has not occurred to me personally.
If the State is preparing and Emergency Declaration how would that affect trade with Jita?
A virus of a Kyonoke variety could have serious repercussions on the economy especially if the markets close because of "impending death"
Once Jita falls (and I hope it doesn't) then the other hubs will be hard pressed to meet demand and at the same time vulnerable to whatever attack.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Veronique Crendraven
University of Caille Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:36:09 -
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Has anyone consider Nauplius possible role in all of this. he did mention he was going to send 12,500 Slaves to Efu to "weaponize" them against Minmatar.
If he can do that maybe he is behind all of this.
I think it is something worth looking into.
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1153
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:37:10 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Okay, I'll say it. Who's behind the attack? Could there be a connection with the Angel Cartel? However since it is Kyonoke the last know terrorists to have was Sansha Nation? Ali, we have them in Nakri among the belt.
You forgot to mention...yourself.
Bloodraiders could have just as easily done this.
But how about we deal with the emergency before we start the witch hunt?
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:37:17 -
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Veronique Crendraven wrote:Has anyone consider Nauplius possible role in all of this. he did mention he was going to send 12,500 Slaves to Efu to "weaponize" them against Minmatar.
If he can do that maybe he is behind all of this.
I think it is something worth looking into.
That would be an interesting development. If proven true.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:39:22 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Casserina Leshrac wrote:Alizabeth Vea wrote:Okay, I'll say it. Who's behind the attack? Could there be a connection with the Angel Cartel? However since it is Kyonoke the last know terrorists to have was Sansha Nation? Ali, we have them in Nakri among the belt. You forgot to mention...yourself. Bloodraiders could have just as easily done this. But how about we deal with the emergency before we start the witch hunt?
Ah... an accusation.
I wonder when it would all come down to me.
Do you have evidence to support that I am directly responsible for this?
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Sinjin Mokk
Horde Vanguard. Pandemic Horde
1153
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:42:58 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Ah... an accusation.
I wonder when it would all come down to me.
Do you have evidence to support that I am directly responsible for this?
No. There is no credible evidence to support that this was an attack or that Omir, Sansha, the Cartel, Serpentis, Rabbit, Nauplius, Diana Kim or a band of enraged fedos had anything to do with this.
Hence why I suggested we deal with the emergency BEFORE the witch hunt.
"Angels live, they never die,
Apart from us, behind the sky.
They're fading souls who've turned to ice,
So ashen white in paradise."
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1015
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:43:12 -
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Personally, I think Tibus Heth's head on a robot body is way more likely than it being Ms. Leshrac.
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
66
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:46:06 -
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Hmm. Well, at least now we know it's not the Debylian Flu. That simplifies things.
Now, there's a few possibilities here, none of which are particularly pleasant.
1st possibility - Someone was researching the Kyonoke agent, and their containment failed, leading to an accidental outbreak, that was then spread by the normal processes of interstellar trade and commerce. Oopsie.
2nd possibility - Someone, (or multiple someones), has the Kyonoke agent, and released it in several different locations as an attack on the entire cluster. You'd have to ask who'd benefit from that, and there are 2 main suspects that I can think of right now. Sansha's Nation, and the Drifters. Oh dear.
3rd possibility - The Kyonoke agent is not unique to Kyonoke Pit, and is in fact abundant throughout space. This is perhaps the most worrying possibility.
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
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Morgan Wulver
The Bosena Accords
150
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:53:58 -
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Alizabeth Vea wrote:Personally, I think Tibus Heth's head on a robot body is way more likely than it being Ms. Leshrac. For me it's right up there with the vengeful ghost of Jamyl or a senile Fatal brandishing a pointy stick.
Kirjuun! Uakan! Teknikiara! Kanpai kameitsamuu! Ra ra ra!
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Pieter Tuulinen
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
7096
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:55:10 -
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This is a terrible tragedy and difficult decisions are going to have to be made. Again I am going to ask the authorities involved to be compassionate, but globally so. Ensuring this spreads no further is the top priority and it may be necessary to sacrifice the city, planet and all orbitals in order to do so.
I hope that quarantine was early enough to halt the spread of contagion.
For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead
in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a
hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:59:21 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
You forgot to mention...yourself.
Bloodraiders could have just as easily done this.
But how about we deal with the emergency before we start the witch hunt?
Sir,
You accused me directly before deflecting to Blood Raiders. Of which I am not a part of.
I would ask that you take care in what you post in the future to avoid confusing others.
Thank you.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Triffton Ambraelle
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
13
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:03:06 -
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It seems that The Scope has made a more formal, complete announcement. Finally.
I think we need to step up and help. We're not all scientists, but we can all help. I'll be ferrying supplies to the area, staging out of Airaken. Foodstuffs, water, basic medical suplies, and more. I'll have plenty of room for additional cargo, if anyone is thinking of pitching in as well. Just let me know and I'll add it to my shopping list.
For those of you who will be traveling from farther away, whether to help or to gawk or to add to your "impressive" kill tally, consider taking a shortcut through Thera. When I checked a few moments ago, there is a wormhole nine systems over in Earwik. It's far from safe, but it's beautiful, (generally) faster, and there is a Sisters' presence in the system. Say what you want about their motives or their religion, ships carrying aid and supplies have been streaming out of their stations for days. They do good work.
> In chasing the unknown, we discover ourselves.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:46:12 -
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Triffton Ambraelle wrote:It seems that The Scope has made a more formal, complete announcement. Finally. I think we need to step up and help. We're not all scientists, but we can all help. I'll be ferrying supplies to the area, staging out of Airaken. Foodstuffs, water, basic medical suplies, and more. I'll have plenty of room for additional cargo, if anyone is thinking of pitching in as well. Just let me know and I'll add it to my shopping list. For those of you who will be traveling from farther away, whether to help or to gawk or to add to your "impressive" kill tally, consider taking a shortcut through Thera. When I checked a few moments ago, there is a wormhole nine systems over in Earwik. It's far from safe, but it's beautiful, (generally) faster, and there is a Sisters' presence in the system. Say what you want about their motives or their religion, ships carrying aid and supplies have been streaming out of their stations for days. They do good work.
If I read this correctly the systems have not been quarantined to prevent traffic.
This might not be the case in the near future.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Victoria Grey
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:11:19 -
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This does seem like a targeted attack. There is one incident in each major empire and they have all the signs of sabotage (fallen frigates, independent pilot landings, &c) and the timing and placing of each outbreak shows signs that these might even be "tests" on the effectiveness of the attacks possibly before more important targets are hit.
Despite all that and how concerning this is and could be, I caution against brash actions and quick accusations. I am guilty of it as well and was quick to suspect a covert attack by the Empire before Efu was hit but at this point in the crises we need to stick with what we now know and what we can do about it.
Coordinate with the local authorities and response groups to work on what we can do right now with the knowledge we have. Further than that, this summit is providing the disparate Aid/Response groups to coordinate proper actions to better care for the affected locales and individuals. |
Aldrith Shutaq
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1810
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:17:32 -
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The last confirmed breach of the Kyonoke Pit was performed by Sansha's Nation during the first incursions. They are the most likely culprit for these outbreaks, but the question would be why they have waited so long to begin spreading it. This does not rule out another actor.
Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle
Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade
Lord Consort of House Sarum
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Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:22:24 -
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Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The last confirmed breach of the Kyonoke Pit was performed by Sansha's Nation during the first incursions. They are the most likely culprit for these outbreaks, but the question would be why they have waited so long to begin spreading it. This does not rule out another actor.
The obvious answer to that question, would be the time taken to develop a countermeasure to the Kyonoke agent, such that it becomes a weapon that is not a mortal hazard to the user.
A bioweapon is impractical if it is lethal to the side using it as well as the target.
And if that's the case, then it means Nation has a viable countermeasure.
Which is something to think about.
But that's a big IF.
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
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Alizabeth Vea
Seraph's Wings Vengeful Seraph
1017
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:22:50 -
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It is possible the Drifters acquired it in skirmishes with Nation in wormhole space. Of course, when all I have is a hammer . . .
Retainer of Lady Newelle and House Sarum.
"Those who step into the light shall be redeemed, the sins of their past cleansed, so that they may know salvation." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
Virtue. Valor. Victory.
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Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
310
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:25:02 -
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There hasn't been any news of a break-in at the Kyonoke Pit has there?
If I am remembering correctly there was such a break-in many years ago, with one ship managing to elude Caldari defenders and disappear with a sample of the pathogen. Have they been sitting on it for all these years planning something? |
Myxx
Black Eclipse Corp
770
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:28:15 -
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Persephone Alleile wrote:There hasn't been any news of a break-in at the Kyonoke Pit has there?
If I am remembering correctly there was such a break-in many years ago, with one ship managing to elude Caldari defenders and disappear with a sample of the pathogen. Have they been sitting on it for all these years planning something?
I'm almost certain it is Kuvakei. As much as I dread the idea he is alive, as much as I loathe the Nation, they have the capability to hold onto it. |
H1de0
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
29
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:34:38 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:Casserina Leshrac wrote:
Ah... an accusation.
I wonder when it would all come down to me.
Do you have evidence to support that I am directly responsible for this?
No. There is no credible evidence to support that this was an attack or that Omir, Sansha, the Cartel, Serpentis, Rabbit, Nauplius, Diana Kim or a band of enraged fedos had anything to do with this. Hence why I suggested we deal with the emergency BEFORE the witch hunt.
Thank you for providing us with a voice of reason Mokk-san.
Decrypting the Sleeper cache..
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Hetu Hegirin
Otherwhere Circle
53
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:39:03 -
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Quartz Jori wrote:An excerpt from the news crawl on the Scope's most recent report, which can be found here. Quote:>>BREAKING NEWS<< CALDARI STATE CONFIRMS PRESENCE OF KYONOKE PLAGUE IN QUARANTINED CITY OF MYRSKAA ON OIJANEN II - COMMUNICATION LOCKDOWN IN EFFECT It looks like it really is Kyonoke this time. Our production and distribution baseline resources in Molden Heath will stand down. Volunteer crews will be granted hazard pay to ensure pending contracts will be fulfilled. No further contracts will be taken.
Security duty personnel will be sequestered to their ships off-station, and placed on standby status.
My responsibility to the citizens under my employ includes safeguarding their well-being. I have done my part. The Republic bears the same burden for the Matari. It is beyond time for someone in the administration to display some semblance of leadership. |
Graelyn
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
819
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:56:20 -
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Wow, the Scope is treating this with the importance of a local sporting event.
Cardinal Graelyn
Resident Lecturer - Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
49
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:42:23 -
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Doctor Valate wrote:Aldrith Shutaq wrote:The last confirmed breach of the Kyonoke Pit was performed by Sansha's Nation during the first incursions. They are the most likely culprit for these outbreaks, but the question would be why they have waited so long to begin spreading it. This does not rule out another actor. The obvious answer to that question, would be the time taken to develop a countermeasure to the Kyonoke agent, such that it becomes a weapon that is not a mortal hazard to the user. A bioweapon is impractical if it is lethal to the side using it as well as the target. And if that's the case, then it means Nation has a viable countermeasure. Which is something to think about. But that's a big IF.
That is if the side that holds this weapon isn't suicidal and fanatic at the same time.
We must consider that such an enemy will certainly be unstoppable is so devoted.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
69
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:51:20 -
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Casserina Leshrac wrote:That is if the side that holds this weapon isn't suicidal and fanatic at the same time.
Oh. The Equilibrium of Mankind.
Oh dear.
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
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Sinti Vailatti
Angelis Exploration
249
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Posted - 2017.02.14 22:27:59 -
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Graelyn wrote:Wow, the Scope is treating this with the importance of a local sporting event.
"When in danger, when in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout."
GÇ£Where must we go...we who wander this wasteland, in search of our better selves?GÇ¥
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Ren Saaro
True Paradise
0
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Posted - 2017.02.14 23:50:08 -
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Sinjin Mokk wrote:
No. There is no credible evidence to support that this was an attack or that Omir, Sansha, the Cartel, Serpentis, Rabbit, Nauplius, Diana Kim or a band of enraged fedos had anything to do with this.
Hence why I suggested we deal with the emergency BEFORE the witch hunt.
Oooh Mr. Mokk ... so naive ... it already is a witch hunt.
It is clear that the citizens of each Empire have lost their trust in the government to resolve this outbreak and are already taking matters into their own hands. And who would blame them? The four "Great" Empires of this universe didn't see this attack coming and did a poor job of containing it. Millions of innocent lives will now be lost just because of their failures.
My heart is in pain to see so many talented minds fade away.
But do not despair ... there is another Empire out there. An Empire you can trust ... and with a strong government that never fails! |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2943
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Posted - 2017.02.15 00:05:50 -
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Ren Saaro wrote: ... and with a strong governement that never fails!
If, as seems a little likely from context, you're speaking of Nation, Ms. Saaro, I seem to remember Sansha Kuvakei has a little history of "failing" to give the population at some of his hidden facilities sufficient initiative to forage for food if they found themselves cut off. A lot of facilities starved slowly to death in hiding, for no better reason than because they couldn't muster the self-determination to go and find food to feed themselves.
If you're going to treat a person as a god and trust your whole being to him both as individuals and as a society, it seems a little important for him to be up to the task. Unfortunately, that would probably require an actual god, as opposed to a limited and fallible human being.
Or a limited and fallible collection of them. |
edeity
Holy Amarrian Battlemonk Local Is Primary
132
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Posted - 2017.02.15 01:51:43 -
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Kyonoke is obviously the cover story for something else. Chosen because it explains why extreme quarantine measures must be enacted swiftly. Wake up sheeple. |
Slayer Liberator
The Scope Gallente Federation
147
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Posted - 2017.02.15 02:52:45 -
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Doctor Valate wrote:Hmm. Well, at least now we know it's not the Debylian Flu. That simplifies things.
Now, there's a few possibilities here, none of which are particularly pleasant.
1st possibility - Someone was researching the Kyonoke agent, and their containment failed, leading to an accidental outbreak, that was then spread by the normal processes of interstellar trade and commerce. Oopsie.
2nd possibility - Someone, (or multiple someones), has the Kyonoke agent, and released it in several different locations as an attack on the entire cluster. You'd have to ask who'd benefit from that, and there are 2 main suspects that I can think of right now. Sansha's Nation, and the Drifters. Oh dear.
3rd possibility - The Kyonoke agent is not unique to Kyonoke Pit, and is in fact abundant throughout space. This is perhaps the most worrying possibility. If it is the Drifters then is may have been to drive cappsuleers into Anokis for some reason |
Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
732
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Posted - 2017.02.15 04:06:37 -
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Seal your ships and check the shield integrity.
As strength goes.
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Evi Polevhia
True Slave Foundations Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
1278
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Posted - 2017.02.15 05:53:55 -
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Aria Jenneth wrote:A lot of facilities starved slowly to death in hiding, for no better reason than because they couldn't muster the self-determination to go and find food to feed themselves.
One does not blame an arm for death when the arteries are severed. |
Ascentior
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
274
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Posted - 2017.02.15 06:07:22 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:A lot of facilities starved slowly to death in hiding, for no better reason than because they couldn't muster the self-determination to go and find food to feed themselves. One does not blame an arm for death when the arteries are severed. Correct.
One would most certainly blame the brain when the arm makes no effort to move away from the slowly approaching, yet inevitable path of the blade that severs those veins.
Admiral of PIE Inc.,
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris (See 'PIE Public' for recruitment)
Honorary Fabricator-General of the Imperial Navy
Chosen by God to serve the Empire.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2027
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Posted - 2017.02.15 06:07:23 -
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Evi Polevhia wrote:Aria Jenneth wrote:A lot of facilities starved slowly to death in hiding, for no better reason than because they couldn't muster the self-determination to go and find food to feed themselves. One does not blame an arm for death when the arteries are severed.
And there's the problem. In the Nation, they aren't considered living beings but as another limb. Or rather, a tool.
A truly living entity will be able to strive for survival when pressed. Even a bacteria, a single cell organism with no evidence of having any kind of consciousness, is still capable of adapting, mutating and do whatever it takes to survive under immense environmental stress. They will even take up plasmids of their fellow bacteria and use any gene sequence to produce proteins to give themselves the edge to survive at any opportunity. These True Slaves aren't capable of that. They are mere puppets of flesh and bone with no will of their own. I do not consider them living.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Saya Ishikari
Akagi Initiative Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
541
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Posted - 2017.02.15 11:47:28 -
[49] - Quote
Galm Eskola-Fae wrote:Understandably the revelation that all of these outbreaks are caused by Kyonoke Plague might make many baseliners and even empyreans nervous to go into these high-risk areas.
I assure anyone living near the Muttokon site, my warclones aren't going anywhere. The infection is thoroughly contained, and even if it should break containment infection is of little consequence to an immortal soldier. We will continue to standby the local civilians, help maintain order, and ensure that basic sanitation and healthcare services continue to be provided to prevent the risk of further spread of this disease.
Take care, friends. I'm going to be largely busy regarding this mess, but if you want a shipment of emergency aid supplies before I get completely committed, I can manage that. Call it the first response of the assistance I've offered prior to now.
"At the end of it all, we have only what we've left in our wake to be remembered by." -Kyoko Ishikari, YC 95 - YC 117
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Miyah Avaritia
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.15 13:36:57 -
[50] - Quote
If I recall correctly, there was previous mention of three ships attempting to gain access to the pit but were shot down, The Caldari Navy confirmed they were destroyed.
It is the first headline on the ticker of the Scope news broadcast about the M-0EE8 Keepstar defence preparations. |
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Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1051
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Posted - 2017.02.15 14:25:27 -
[51] - Quote
Miyah Avaritia wrote:If I recall correctly, there was previous mention of three ships attempting to gain access to the pit but were shot down, The Caldari Navy confirmed they were destroyed. It is the first headline on the ticker of the Scope news broadcast about the M-0EE8 Keepstar defence preparations.
Good catch. And disturbing. I think most of us glanced that brief mention and promptly... forgot? |
Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1568
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Posted - 2017.02.15 16:13:55 -
[52] - Quote
Alizabeth Vea wrote:I am predisposed to believe it's Tibus Heth's head on a robot body, actually. Now that you've mentioned it.
Beat me to it.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
51
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Posted - 2017.02.15 16:19:11 -
[53] - Quote
Lunarisse Aspenstar wrote:Miyah Avaritia wrote:If I recall correctly, there was previous mention of three ships attempting to gain access to the pit but were shot down, The Caldari Navy confirmed they were destroyed. It is the first headline on the ticker of the Scope news broadcast about the M-0EE8 Keepstar defence preparations. Good catch. And disturbing. I think most of us glanced that brief mention and promptly... forgot?
While the official report suggests it was unsuccessful. Is it possible for this to be wrong as well?
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Soldarius
O C C U P Y Test Alliance Please Ignore
1568
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Posted - 2017.02.15 16:22:04 -
[54] - Quote
While Sansha may require live subjects, the Drifters do not, and they are known to collect corpses to repopulate. If they need more bodies, what better way to make them than to use a biological weapon to quickly and effortlessly wipe out a significant population?
Ofc, they would still have to collect said corpses. So maybe watch out for Drifters.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Doctor Valate
Delve Medical Services
73
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Posted - 2017.02.15 17:45:47 -
[55] - Quote
I feel I have to point something out at this stage.
If this Kyonoke agent is confirmed in the other incidents, than pilots must be aware of what it is they may be asked to do to help by the relevant authorities.
They will not be requiring logistics, or medical supplies, or other such help.
They will require capsuleers to, without mercy, hunt down any unauthorised vessel, civilian or military, attempting to flee the containment zones.
Pilots must be aware that such measures may be what is required to contain the situation, and if they are not comfortable with the idea of firing on unarmed civilian vessels, then they must stay out of the quarantine zone.
Pilots must be aware that every vessel that is allowed to escape could cause the deaths of not millions, but possibly billions, or even trillions of other people.
You may not be able to live with yourself if you shoot down a ship carrying a hundred innocents, but what if those passengers go on, and infect New Caldari Prime ? Or Gallentia ? Or Matar ? Or Athra ? Could you live with yourself then, if you allowed that to happen ?
Be Aware that you may be required to shoot innocents, to protect billions more.
If you're not comfortable with that, then stay away from the quarantine zone. Your presence would only be detrimental.
Doctor Valerie Valate. Not to be confused with the other Valerie Valate.
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Victoria Grey
Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2017.02.15 18:09:28 -
[56] - Quote
Doctor Valate wrote:I feel I have to point something out at this stage.
... ...
Be Aware that you may be required to shoot innocents, to protect billions more.
If you're not comfortable with that, then stay away from the quarantine zone. Your presence would only be detrimental.
Your message is sobering Doctor. Very sobering indeed. I don't think this is something that will be comforting or comfortable for any but the madmen out there.
However...Honestly I must think on this.
Ultimately I pledge my life to the safety of all Matari. It's not about what is comfortable, it is about what must be done for safety of my brothers and sisters. I could never forgive myself if I didn't do all I could.
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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations
52
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Posted - 2017.02.15 19:40:40 -
[57] - Quote
Doctor Valate wrote:I feel I have to point something out at this stage.
If this Kyonoke agent is confirmed in the other incidents, than pilots must be aware of what it is they may be asked to do to help by the relevant authorities.
They will not be requiring logistics, or medical supplies, or other such help.
They will require capsuleers to, without mercy, hunt down any unauthorised vessel, civilian or military, attempting to flee the containment zones.
Pilots must be aware that such measures may be what is required to contain the situation, and if they are not comfortable with the idea of firing on unarmed civilian vessels, then they must stay out of the quarantine zone.
Pilots must be aware that every vessel that is allowed to escape could cause the deaths of not millions, but possibly billions, or even trillions of other people.
You may not be able to live with yourself if you shoot down a ship carrying a hundred innocents, but what if those passengers go on, and infect New Caldari Prime ? Or Gallentia ? Or Matar ? Or Athra ? Could you live with yourself then, if you allowed that to happen ?
Be Aware that you may be required to shoot innocents, to protect billions more.
If you're not comfortable with that, then stay away from the quarantine zone. Your presence would only be detrimental.
Should that indeed be the case then I will be ready for that eventuality too. And then cosmos will burn like never happened before.
When thou enterest into the Sani Sabik, the Sani Sabik entereth into thee.
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Gorion Wassenar
Stimulus Rote Kapelle
159
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Posted - 2017.02.16 00:14:02 -
[58] - Quote
It is completely reasonable to be prepared at this stage to come to the very real conclusion that the whole planet, maybe even the whole system, is compromised. I implore anyone at that stage to not let mercy stay your hand. This is a plague that is as bad as it gets.
Rote Kapelle - NOW IN SLIGHTLY MORE LAW ABIDING FLAVOR!
"DRINK STARSI!" -¬-«GäóOwnership Group Chairman
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
199
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Posted - 2017.02.16 00:21:29 -
[59] - Quote
I've never been particularly altruistic, but something like this is a very real threat, I'd be willing to put my guns to the cause if it comes down to it. although some compensation for my ammo stores from concord would of course be appreciated. |
Arrendis
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2926
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Posted - 2017.02.16 00:57:53 -
[60] - Quote
Casserina Leshrac wrote: Should that indeed be the case then I will be ready for that eventuality too. And then cosmos will burn like never happened before.
Don't be silly. A city? A few orbital installations? Greater numbers than those represent get killed every day in space. The cosmos will never notice the extra bloodshed. |
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Jev North
Anshar Incorporated
605
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Posted - 2017.02.16 01:16:22 -
[61] - Quote
Arrendis wrote:Don't be silly. A city? A few orbital installations? Greater numbers than those represent get killed every day in space. The cosmos will never notice the extra bloodshed. Hm, yes. I encourage the efforts made so far -- mostly because I believe every day the pilots involved spend twisting in the wind, not doing Empire wetwork or pirate extermination, saves many more lives than the useless supplies and public verbiage ever will.
"The old civilizations claimed that they were founded on love or justice. Ours is founded upon hatred. In our world there will be no emotions except fear, rage, triumph, and self-abasement. Everything else we shall destroy GÇö everything."
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
740
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Posted - 2017.02.16 01:56:59 -
[62] - Quote
It is irrelevant. Either they can contain it or they cannot. If they cannot then they will have to kill everyone or let everyone die.
The time between is time both to look for a cure and watch the suffering. They will make the choice when they have to and nothing we say here is going to influence that.
History will tell if it was right.
As strength goes.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2034
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Posted - 2017.02.16 03:35:23 -
[63] - Quote
Ayallah wrote:It is irrelevant. Either they can contain it or they cannot. If they cannot then they will have to kill everyone or let everyone die.
The time between is time both to look for a cure and watch the suffering. They will make the choice when they have to and nothing we say here is going to influence that.
History will tell if it was right.
Kyonoke is a prion disease, nothing more than proteins with a malignant structural configuration. They bind with other proteins and change their structural configuration to make more of themselves, but otherwise, the prion is not 'alive' any more than a virus is alive. As there are no cures for a viral infection (since there is nothing to kill), there won't be any cures for a prion disease, especially not Kyonoke. The best we can hope for is to develop treatments, most likely in the form peptides designed specifically to block the active sites of the Kyonoke prion or nanites to specifically target specific amino acid sequences in Kyonoke.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3039
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Posted - 2017.02.16 05:30:26 -
[64] - Quote
Doctor Valate wrote:I feel I have to point something out at this stage.
If this Kyonoke agent is confirmed in the other incidents, than pilots must be aware of what it is they may be asked to do to help by the relevant authorities.
They will not be requiring logistics, or medical supplies, or other such help.
They will require capsuleers to, without mercy, hunt down any unauthorised vessel, civilian or military, attempting to flee the containment zones.
Pilots must be aware that such measures may be what is required to contain the situation, and if they are not comfortable with the idea of firing on unarmed civilian vessels, then they must stay out of the quarantine zone.
Pilots must be aware that every vessel that is allowed to escape could cause the deaths of not millions, but possibly billions, or even trillions of other people.
You may not be able to live with yourself if you shoot down a ship carrying a hundred innocents, but what if those passengers go on, and infect New Caldari Prime ? Or Gallentia ? Or Matar ? Or Athra ? Could you live with yourself then, if you allowed that to happen ?
Be Aware that you may be required to shoot innocents, to protect billions more.
If you're not comfortable with that, then stay away from the quarantine zone. Your presence would only be detrimental. Those, who wouldn't be able to shoot at civilian transport in order to protect their State and their brothers with sisters in arms, their families and friends, they don't deserve the ability to control the combat ship in the first place. Such cowardice would be a dishonorable disgrace that would cost trillions of lives because of pilot's inability to shoot target only because it was "civilian".
And, while such behavior might be common in the Federation, I am proud that among loyal Caldari pilots you barely will find someone who will display such cowardice.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
220
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Posted - 2017.02.16 13:45:42 -
[65] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:And, while such behavior might be common in the Federation, I am proud that among loyal Caldari pilots you barely will find someone who will display such cowardice. 1) Generic insult against Gallenteans in a thread that really had nothing to do with them Check.
Glory to Bob
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Batachikan
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2017.02.16 16:24:32 -
[66] - Quote
I agree with Commander Kim. Ruthless action will be required.
I was expecting to be assigned among the heathen shortly, but orders have come through directing me back to my old unit. It appears that we will be tasked with hunting down any who evade quarantine in the region, should that order come. Such a sanction may be applied to refugees from Solitude too, should that incident escalate in an unwelcome manner, unless the Federal authorities instigate their own border security measures.
Gunnery Serjeant Batachikan,
By leave of His Eminence the Abbot Palatine, permitted to speak in faith.
Hic mors gaudet succurrere vitae
("Here, death serves life")
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Crayons
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:10:19 -
[67] - Quote
Now, I don't know much about this plague, but shouldn't you be fine as long as you use protection? |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2036
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Posted - 2017.02.17 01:09:25 -
[68] - Quote
Crayons wrote:Now, I don't know much about this plague, but shouldn't you be fine as long as you use protection?
The prion penetrates hazmat suits. I doubt face-masks or anything of the sort is going to stop you from getting infected.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ria NieyIi
940
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:06:37 -
[69] - Quote
A suit inlaid with a mesh that's thick enough to prevent the plague agent passing through shouldn't be too hard. However, proofing the seals that let you put it together is a bit more complicated. That is assuming we know how big the agent is. Will give me something to bang my head against for the time being. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2036
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:43:37 -
[70] - Quote
Ria NieyIi wrote:A suit inlaid with a mesh that's thick enough to prevent the plague agent passing through shouldn't be too hard. However, proofing the seals that let you put it together is a bit more complicated. That is assuming we know how big the agent is. Will give me something to bang my head against for the time being.
So, building a new suit from scratch to deal with Kyonoke. As of current, none of our existing suits had worked in keeping the agent out.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ria NieyIi
940
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Posted - 2017.02.17 03:04:11 -
[71] - Quote
The theory behind it is simple enough. Think of it as a chain link fence. If the holes are large enough, you can put your fist through one. Make them smaller and you can only manage a finger, make the smaller and... |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2036
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Posted - 2017.02.17 03:33:35 -
[72] - Quote
Ria NieyIi wrote:The theory behind it is simple enough. Think of it as a chain link fence. If the holes are large enough, you can put your fist through one. Make them smaller and you can only manage a finger, make the smaller and...
This method is already used for water purification purposes on some planets. Just make the hole small enough.
Or you could always use chainsaw-equipped drones. Whatever floats your goat.
I say use drones. Again, I am pointing out the current generation of hazmat suits which could isolate the wearers from even the smallest viruses didn't work against Kyonoke. No idea what's the micron of the Kyonoke prion and I'm not considering finding it out.
Considering that the prion couldn't leave the pit without intervention from outside factors, it's likely that the prion is vulnerable to cosmic radiation. Any drone used inside the quarantine zone should thus be bombarded with radiation until thoroughly sterilised before retrieval from the clean room. No chances. Deep scan the drones to ensure no traces of prion remains.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9168
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Posted - 2017.02.17 04:20:57 -
[73] - Quote
If Kyonoke is difficult to distinguish from regular proteins, then that implies a range of 5nm to 50nm. For example, standard domestic dust filtration usually stops anything down to .3 micrometers, which is to say 300nm.
It's worth noting that viruses range from 20nm to 400nm, on average, so that leaves a relatively narrow range of 5nm to 20nm that would penetrate air filters suitable for removing airborne viruses.
Of course, full biohazard safety requires isolated air supplies in an overpressurized suit and multiple decontamination steps-- assuming you don't just do the really smart thing and just use drones and a completely isolated hot lab, but sometimes there's no truly suitable replacement for an intern in a hazard suit.
The issue, of course, is that any decently self-contained hazard suit will be effectively indistinguishable from a spacesuit for purposes of contamination, which lends the question of how something the size of a protein is able to penetrate the suit at all. Considering the original stories of the Kyonoke outbreak, I suspect the hazard suits aboard the ship investigating weren't proper BSL gear.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Ria NieyIi
940
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Posted - 2017.02.17 04:31:05 -
[74] - Quote
If the hazard suits relied on pressure difference to keep the agent out and didn't, that implies that it can overcome the pressure by some means. Which means that it might be a more advanced lifeform than we realise. |
Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9170
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:50:58 -
[75] - Quote
That's what vexes me about this.
We talk as if it's this evil sentient thing, some chimeric pathogen that is somehow virus, bacteria, and prion all in one, able to breach defenses at a whim, invulnerable to very nearly any counter. But how could it be? If it's 5nm to 20nm in size, there is an absolute limit to its potential composition or abilities based on physical law and the vagaries of biochemistry.
The issue, essentially, is that we lack anything more than the barest sketch of information about the first encounters, and the situation on the ground has been too chaotic and uncertain for any reasonable data to be gathered, so Kyonoke has become an almost mythical threat.
We must learn more.
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Fraea Nikkishina
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
7
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Posted - 2017.02.17 07:06:56 -
[76] - Quote
As Priano-haani hints at, the answers to many questions would likely be found in an understanding of the exact protein folding of the Kyonoke prion. There is no convenient way to safeguard against the pathogen until we understand this facet of its existence.
That is what makes understanding this plague challenging. It is not caused by an entity that is in any sense "alive" any more than the amino acids you consume in your daily diet. |
Ria NieyIi
940
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Posted - 2017.02.17 08:07:59 -
[77] - Quote
I have to admit, biology is a bit out of my sphere of competence, but 5-20nm is too small to be even a single cell organism and yet, moving through pressurised suits would suggest that it is. Do we know the actual specs of the suits? Too many unknowns. |
Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
237
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Posted - 2017.02.18 07:17:29 -
[78] - Quote
The only thing at the moment we actually can do ourselves at the moment is to pray for those, who got trapped inside quarantine zones. Their fates are in His hands, not ours.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2037
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Posted - 2017.02.18 11:03:34 -
[79] - Quote
Makoto Priano wrote:That's what vexes me about this.
We talk as if it's this evil sentient thing, some chimeric pathogen that is somehow virus, bacteria, and prion all in one, able to breach defenses at a whim, invulnerable to very nearly any counter. But how could it be? If it's 5nm to 20nm in size, there is an absolute limit to its potential composition or abilities based on physical law and the vagaries of biochemistry.
The issue, essentially, is that we lack anything more than the barest sketch of information about the first encounters, and the situation on the ground has been too chaotic and uncertain for any reasonable data to be gathered, so Kyonoke has become an almost mythical threat.
We must learn more.
Microbiology is outside my sphere of expertise and what little I do know comes from deep reading of various materials about it. I can't help with that research.
I could help to fabricate a drone to assist in hot lab operations and the retrieval of Kyonoke samples from infected zones or just study the thing remotely in a lab inside the quarantine zone, but really, you don't need me to do that. There's plenty enough drones suitable for the purpose floating around in the market already.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2953
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:16:50 -
[80] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:I could help to fabricate a drone to assist in hot lab operations and the retrieval of Kyonoke samples from infected zones or just study the thing remotely in a lab inside the quarantine zone, but really, you don't need me to do that. There's plenty enough drones suitable for the purpose floating around in the market already.
Considering that the Caldari State's apparently been studying the thing at the Pit on-site and from a distance, it seems possible that nobody's figured out a good method for containment. It looks like even the parties responsible for the current outbreak have suffered casualties, and might actually just all be dead, at least the ones who've actually been handling it personally.
Hopefully the various quarantine measures hold, but retrieving a sample is presently very likely to cause a quarantine breach unless you already know exactly what you're doing.
Which, none of us do.
Please don't mess around with this stuff? We don't need the additional megadeaths. |
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1239
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:18:29 -
[81] - Quote
Federation site confirmed Kyonoke.
Suspicions confirmed. Nothing much changes in this regard, but it's infuriating to see that this report is four days old before it reaches public awareness. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2037
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Posted - 2017.02.18 14:49:36 -
[82] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:I could help to fabricate a drone to assist in hot lab operations and the retrieval of Kyonoke samples from infected zones or just study the thing remotely in a lab inside the quarantine zone, but really, you don't need me to do that. There's plenty enough drones suitable for the purpose floating around in the market already. Considering that the Caldari State's apparently been studying the thing at the Pit on-site and from a distance, it seems possible that nobody's figured out a good method for containment. It looks like even the parties responsible for the current outbreak have suffered casualties, and might actually just all be dead, at least the ones who've actually been handling it personally. Hopefully the various quarantine measures hold, but retrieving a sample is presently very likely to cause a quarantine breach unless you already know exactly what you're doing. Which, none of us do. Please don't mess around with this stuff? We don't need the additional megadeaths.
I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3040
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Posted - 2017.02.18 21:04:39 -
[83] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote: I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?
No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them?
3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said.
Whatever.
Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
227
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Posted - 2017.02.19 01:35:57 -
[84] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?
No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them? 3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said. Whatever. Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time. I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true.
"Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions.
3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice.
If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!"
See? That was much more kind.
Glory to Bob
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3043
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Posted - 2017.02.19 03:37:40 -
[85] - Quote
When you are training a slaver hound, you shall show them place at your boot. I don't want to waste effort on niceties with minmatars.
And I am not going to help enemy of the State.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
1797
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Posted - 2017.02.19 04:16:14 -
[86] - Quote
Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action.... |
Merchant Rova
Pathway to the Next
228
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:11:09 -
[87] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action.... It was in reference to the last line of my edit: "If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things."
Glory to Bob
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3045
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Posted - 2017.02.19 05:20:15 -
[88] - Quote
Deitra Vess wrote:Since when is Elmund under your training? You replied to correct him did you not? If you were unwilling to help an "enemy of the state" I would imagine not commenting would have been the more correct course of action.... I helped the discussion against an inadequate and incompetent comment of an uneducated tribal, who had no idea about crystal structure analysis and chromatography. Let's close further derailment. If you have other questions to me, which are unrelated to the problem under discussion, please post them to my NeoCom mailbox.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2037
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Posted - 2017.02.19 08:36:23 -
[89] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: I personally advise studying the pathogen remotely inside the quarantine zone to avoid unnecessary deaths. In fact, aren't there drones that can perform 3D crystal chromatography on site?
No, minmatar, because there is NO SUCH THING. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. Do you even have schools in your Republic or something? Or just throw words you heard from Caldari without even trying to understand them? 3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. Though I doubt you will understand even 5% of what I've just said. Whatever. Leave that thing to professionals and don't make up a clown out of yourself next time. I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true. "Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions. 3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice. If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!" See? That was much more kind.
So, you are telling me that a small team of drones consisting of:
1. Harvester drones - hover-type drones powered by hydrogen fuel cells that siphon gases or liquids and are equipped with interchangeable filters and carry the samples to a singular... 2. Mobile lab drone - rover-type drone the size of a van powered by either micro-fusion generators or shielded radioisotope thermoelectric generator (depending on manufacturer) which comes with the necessary equipment to perform the tests required on site and transmit raw data to an off-site lab for analysis.
And that there is no way to equip the mobile lab drone with the following:
1. Condensers to convert raw air samples provided by harvester drones into solutions. 2. Reagent tanks and injectors to prepare solution for crystallization process 3. Internal environment control systems to regulate conditions necessary for crystallization process 4. Crystal analysis equipment which screens the crystals, extract them and run X-ray diffraction on the crystal sample 5. A computer which logs the data 6. A transceiver which receives input and controls and sends data to an off-site source?
These drones utilise weak AI no more advanced than those of an AIMED and can be remotely controlled by off-site techs even.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3046
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Posted - 2017.02.19 09:54:21 -
[90] - Quote
Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2037
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:27:31 -
[91] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi.
Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns.
I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3046
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Posted - 2017.02.19 10:49:45 -
[92] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi. Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns. I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there. 1. I have a commander. 2. I've built more ships than you ever flew. 3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight. 4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction.
So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2260
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Posted - 2017.02.19 12:01:49 -
[93] - Quote
Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi. Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns. I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there. 1. I have a commander. 2. I've built more ships than you ever flew. 3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight. 4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction. So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots. Except that Elmund has the right idea. Drones are more then capable of gathering samples and physically running any analysis needed and sending back the data without placing anyone in harms way. It would basically be an upgraded AIMED taking samples and running them through any type of test imaginable. Might take a few different types of drones to cover all the different types of tests that need to be done, but basically we'd just be giving the machines we would use to run the tests a means to gather and prep their own samples. It's not beyond the scope of our technology.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Rossanjiin Eskeitan
Guri Raiders
21
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Posted - 2017.02.19 14:41:49 -
[94] - Quote
Merchant Rova wrote:I'll attempt to re-write this in a much kinder tone, implying that what Diana's saying is true.
"Hey there Elmund, there's no such thing as that, sorry to say. Chromatography separates mixture to identify its components and is used for gases and solutions.
3D crystal analysis is performed through x-ray diffraction because x-ray emission wavelength is comparable with interatomic distances in the crystal lattice.
If you need any help learning on these subjects, I'm sure I could help out - we all aren't the best at some things. Have a nice day!"
See? That was much more kind.
You should do this more often with her posts. I had a nice laugh, picturing her being more than a fart in the wind.
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2037
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Posted - 2017.02.20 10:49:33 -
[95] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:Diana Kim wrote:Egivand. You are inventing a bicycle with square wheels. Stop this heresy and leave it to someone who understands how analysis methods work. Dixi. Said the soldier without a commander who has never built a single thing even once, and believes that it's possible to eyeball a frigate orbiting or making a 90 degrees flight trajectory at ranges beyond 20km and expect to hit with railguns. I can even draft out a rough blueprint for such drones. I do not even need to draft out one from scratch even. Just get a contact in Pator Tech School to send me a blueprint of the modular drone chassis and work from there. 1. I have a commander. 2. I've built more ships than you ever flew. 3. You've aboslutely zero knowledge about my tactics in a fight. 4. And yes, this simple Caldari soldier knows way more than that Minmatar "engineer" about science and construction. So please be so kind, stop annoying me with your "pearls", and return back to welding your teapots. Except that Elmund has the right idea. Drones are more then capable of gathering samples and physically running any analysis needed and sending back the data without placing anyone in harms way. It would basically be an upgraded AIMED taking samples and running them through any type of test imaginable. Might take a few different types of drones to cover all the different types of tests that need to be done, but basically we'd just be giving the machines we would use to run the tests a means to gather and prep their own samples. It's not beyond the scope of our technology.
First, to Diana:
1. Agents are not your commander, neither are the free captains volunteering for the unenviable task of being the fleet commander. Agents are paymasters tasked to hire skilled hands to do work on a contract by contract basis. You simply volunteer to take up their job for renumeration. Free captain fleet commanders are just people you volunteer to subordinate yourself to for as long as there's a common goal.
2. Building ships by feeding BPOs or BPCs to a station-side fabrication systems computer and waiting for a completed product is completely different from actually building the thing with your own hands. When's the last time you took apart a missile launcher auto-loader to figure out how the various component works and when's the last time you built a functioning small-scale shield emitter with your own hands?
3. I admit to not knowing all your tactics in a ship fight. This has nothing to do with that one time you claimed to eyeball a target with your railguns.
4. Explain how sustained shield emitters differ from stock shield emitters and why they possess generally greater thermic and kinetic energy resistance but retained that glaringly massive EM hole.
Also, you are the one who picked this fight first. I can't not annoy you if you engaged me in conversation in the first place.
Next, to Claudia:
We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2262
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Posted - 2017.02.20 15:40:26 -
[96] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote: to Claudia:
We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone. we have had the ability to remotely gather samples and study the material composition of objects since before we started settling other worlds. It's one of the ways we determined if they were safe to inhabit.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
1254
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Posted - 2017.02.20 16:59:22 -
[97] - Quote
Efu site confirmed Kyonoke.
Little news otherwise on the contagion. |
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
2953
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Posted - 2017.02.20 18:28:48 -
[98] - Quote
At this point it'll be a novelty if a quarantine turns out to be anything else. |
Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
2038
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Posted - 2017.02.21 08:47:45 -
[99] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote: to Claudia:
We do not have scientific drones outfitted for this task already? This can't be the first time someone mentioned such a drone. we have had the ability to remotely gather samples and study the material composition of objects since before we started settling other worlds. It's one of the ways we determined if they were safe to inhabit.
That lessens my concern that the cluster at large is throwing away human lives unnecessarily. Well, in matters outside of warfare and interstellar off-station activities at least.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3055
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Posted - 2017.02.22 09:49:50 -
[100] - Quote
Elmund Egivand wrote: First, to Diana:
1. Agents are not your commander, neither are the free captains volunteering for the unenviable task of being the fleet commander. Agents are paymasters tasked to hire skilled hands to do work on a contract by contract basis. You simply volunteer to take up their job for renumeration. Free captain fleet commanders are just people you volunteer to subordinate yourself to for as long as there's a common goal.
Stop showing your incompetence. I meant neither of them.
Elmund Egivand wrote: 2. Building ships by feeding BPOs or BPCs to a station-side fabrication systems computer and waiting for a completed product is completely different from actually building the thing with your own hands. When's the last time you took apart a missile launcher auto-loader to figure out how the various component works and when's the last time you built a functioning small-scale shield emitter with your own hands?
I can disassemble and assemble any standard AWM issued weapon with closed eyes.
Elmund Egivand wrote: 3. I admit to not knowing all your tactics in a ship fight. This has nothing to do with that one time you claimed to eyeball a target with your railguns.
And I admit you still failed to comprehend the thing I said back then, starting huge drama and offtopic. As I see you are still bothered about it, let me relieve it with trying to explain with words that even someone like brutor could understand. It was said not about TARGETING with eyeballs. It was said for LOOKING where your railguns are pointed. Just LOOKING along the line they did shoot. And yes, people who fail to understand even such primitive concepts annoy me. I am not a teacher. I am a soldier. Go learn somewhere, or something.
Elmund Egivand wrote: 4. Explain the difference in the mechanics of sustained shield emitters and the mechanics of stock shield emitters, relate the difference to their electronics and why they possess generally greater thermic and kinetic energy resistance but retained that glaringly massive EM hole.
Also, you are the one who picked this fight first. I can't not annoy you if you engaged me in conversation in the first place.
Read my previous answer. That's not related to the subject. Go hire yourself a teacher, not me. If you can't comprehend even simple concepts, I am not going to waste my time on explaining you more advanced topics.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3079
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Posted - 2017.02.22 09:53:04 -
[101] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:At this point it'll be a novelty if a quarantine turns out to be anything else. What do you imply, Ms. Jenneth?
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Luna Hanaya
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
239
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Posted - 2017.03.03 19:44:51 -
[102] - Quote
Does anyone make any attempt to study the pathogen, or any other action besides quarantining?
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Talaris EveningStar
The Torchwood Institute Vengeful Seraph
59
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Posted - 2017.03.03 20:43:59 -
[103] - Quote
Luna Hanaya wrote:Does anyone make any attempt to study the pathogen, or any other action besides quarantining?
While the Torchwood Institute's research facilities have been placed on standby and our resources offered to our freinds in the CEP, I truly hope the only people studying this pathogen is Empire response teams.
While many capsuleers such as Doctor Valate, and my Director of Operations may have medical and scientific research training, there are many among us who would be careless, abuse the pathogen for their own gain, or are just outright fedo-**** insane.
Reviewing all the information available about this particular outbreak, a single, glaring piece of information jumped out at me.
"The report apparently indicates that while the pathogen has been positively identified as the Kyonoke virus, it would appear that the current outbreak is of a newly identified strain which attacks its host in a different manner, and has been described by sources within Zainou's security division as "in most cases slower acting, but far more voracious and destructive" than the original strain located in Taisy."
This would seem to indicate to me that this version of the Kyonoke prion is an engineered or altered version. This would lend to the credence that this is a Sansha created situation. It would also account for the time lapse between their raid and it's deployment in addition to creating an antigen of some sort.
Admittedly, this is all still merely conjecture and speculation at this point. Regardless, Torchwood's assets and resources are standing by to launch any assistance required, be it scientific or security. As always, we will do whatever is required to safeguard the State without hesitation.
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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
3031
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Posted - 2017.03.03 20:47:43 -
[104] - Quote
It's pretty odd: it has these different characteristics, and yet circumstances suggest it came more or less straight from the Pit.
Is someone maybe messing with our perceptions by leaving bodies in awkward spots?
Also, ever since I first read that line it's been bugging me: it's slower-acting, yet more "voracious and destructive" than something that is 100% reliably lethal?
How exactly does that work? Is it that it takes longer to kill you so you end up spreading it further before you die of it or something? Or does it just leave a ... messier corpse? |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3079
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Posted - 2017.03.03 21:47:10 -
[105] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:It's pretty odd: it has these different characteristics, and yet circumstances suggest it came more or less straight from the Pit.
Is someone maybe messing with our perceptions by leaving bodies in awkward spots?
Also, ever since I first read that line it's been bugging me: it's slower-acting, yet more "voracious and destructive" than something that is 100% reliably lethal?
How exactly does that work? Is it that it takes longer to kill you so you end up spreading it further before you die of it or something? Or does it just leave a ... messier corpse? Maybe it is 105% reliably lethal? Or not just kills you, but also flips tables in your quarters? Explodes corpses? Makes your pets lose hairs (fur, scales, tentacles)? Hijacks vehicles?...
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
2291
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Posted - 2017.03.03 22:20:14 -
[106] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Also, ever since I first read that line it's been bugging me: it's slower-acting, yet more "voracious and destructive" than something that is 100% reliably lethal?
How exactly does that work?
a shot from an artillery piece is lethal, as is being ground zero of a nuke. While both would do the job of killing, the nuke will leave a lot more unnecessary damage. I suspect that the modified virus is much the same in that it is designed to cover a wider area via a longer incubation period.
A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
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Talaris EveningStar
The Torchwood Institute Vengeful Seraph
59
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Posted - 2017.03.03 22:38:27 -
[107] - Quote
Aria Jenneth wrote:It's pretty odd: it has these different characteristics, and yet circumstances suggest it came more or less straight from the Pit.
Quite so Ms Jenneth. This particular fact is what leads me to believe it has been altered by an intelligent hand so to speak.
Aria Jenneth wrote:Is someone maybe messing with our perceptions by leaving bodies in awkward spots?
That is entirely possible. As much as I hate to admit it, we cannot rule out a large-scale cover-up or conspiracy regarding these events.
Aria Jenneth wrote: Also, ever since I first read that line it's been bugging me: it's slower-acting, yet more "voracious and destructive" than something that is 100% reliably lethal?
How exactly does that work? Is it that it takes longer to kill you so you end up spreading it further before you die of it or something? Or does it just leave a ... messier corpse?
Well as stated previously, a longer incubation time creates a higher infectivity index. How it could be more voracious and destructive is indeed questionable; perhaps it is merely poor wording and the above mentioned variable is what makes it so much more 'voracious'.
Regardless, it seems we are left with even more questions than answers at present. |
Diana Kim
State Protectorate Caldari State
3080
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Posted - 2017.03.04 09:06:25 -
[108] - Quote
Claudia Osyn wrote: a shot from an artillery piece is lethal, as is being ground zero of a nuke. While both would do the job of killing, the nuke will leave a lot more unnecessary damage. I suspect that the modified virus is much the same in that it is designed to cover a wider area via a longer incubation period.
So, no vehicle hijacking and walking exploding zombies?.. Pity. I'd love to see that on streets of Caille.
Honored are the dead, for their legacy guides us.
In memory of Tibus Heth, Caldari State Executor YC110-115, Hero and Patriot.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Anshar Incorporated Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
69
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Posted - 2017.03.11 07:07:57 -
[109] - Quote
All this excitement about Kyonoke puts me in such a dis-ease.
The fear is almost infectious.
But here is the blood still and all the perfumes of Aridia will not sweeten this little rose GÖÑ
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morion
Lighting Build
200
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Posted - 2017.03.11 07:12:27 -
[110] - Quote
Mebrithiel Ju'wien wrote:All this excitement about Kyonoke puts me in such a dis-ease.
The fear is almost infectious.
No need to fear prophecy.
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morion
Lighting Build
200
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Posted - 2017.03.11 07:19:08 -
[111] - Quote
Life it was written so you could be prepared. |
Mika Firestorm
Your Friendly Neighborhood Logistics
51
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Posted - 2017.03.24 09:42:49 -
[112] - Quote
https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/kyonoke-inquest-center-formally-opens-full-federal-and-genolution-taskforces-arrive/
It says that
Quote:Elder Raish then elaborated on plans for the future of the Center, including the impending arrival of science teams from the Empire, State, Federation and Republic, commenting that "in the coming weeks, independent capsuleers from across the cluster will join teams selected by sovereign governments, in an effort to work toward a common resolution for the Kyonoke crisis."
Is anything known how to join these efforts?
State the nature of your medical emergency
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