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Disposable Chick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:15:13 -
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Ladies and Gents
Why freeport can be instantly changed to NO freeport? Good question! Aparently there is no answers to it atm and CCP turns a blind eye to Trillions (and i mean ttrillions) of isk lost by players to this exploit to this day.
Explanation As cyno goes up to a freeport (usualy that would be stationless systems) hunter alts apply it to a NON freeport and anything jumps in it has no tether. Then its tackled by 24/7 camper tengus/proteus or whatever eventually BO jumps in and starts bumping then capitals to kill.
I have counted 50 citadels in the regions of Metropolis, Heimatar, The forge in general hunter freeports has only 1 player in its corp. valasis1 in this case but there are tons of others.
The organiser : Sinshisko Van Raynar
PROOF (you can convo the victims in game and ask how it happened if its hard to believe)
https://zkillboard.com/related/30000199/201611041100/ https://zkillboard.com/related/30003446/201701262300/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59517899/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59923615/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59894394/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59298164/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60022646/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/58262371/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60017293/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60016894/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/60010130/ https://zkillboard.com/kill/59895766/
And i could sit there and copy it all day long its tons and tons of this kind of kills.
Im not sure why victims arent complaining and asking for reimburst because as it looks from where i sit it is a clrear take an unfair advantage of fail game mechanics. And laundry billions of isk from players every day.
This could be sorted with 1 click by profile used by citadels application 1-24hrs delay nad thats all.
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Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3118
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:22:01 -
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I think that is awesome.
100% safe capital ship movement is anathema to this game. I am glad some creative players have found a way to make that only 99.999% safe now.
Enjoy your insta-tether while you can. It will be changed eventually to put some risk back into moving around by jumping.
The 8 Golden Rules of Eve
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1528
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:24:51 -
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The question is: Why should the owner not be allowed to change docking/tethering rights whenever they want to? It's their citadel/outpost after all. If they want to change it, they should be allowed to do so. Travelers should take care which outposts and citadels they use as mid points. If you do not trust the owner, don't use their infrastructure. |
Krin Dessat
Far Runner
24
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:25:04 -
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This is not an exploit - it is a feature
Tip of the day: Do not trust citadels to remain open to you unless you know and trust the owners/operators |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
921
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:26:50 -
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Black Pedro wrote:Enjoy your insta-tether while you can. It will be changed eventually to put some risk back into moving around by jumping.
In that same note, enjoy your station games while you can before CCP adds Tethering to stations. It will be changed eventually so there's less risks on station camping revolved around instant-locking and bumping.
See? I can sound petulant too. |
Black Pedro
Yammerschooner
3119
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Posted - 2017.02.14 18:54:02 -
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Yarosara Ruil wrote:Black Pedro wrote:Enjoy your insta-tether while you can. It will be changed eventually to put some risk back into moving around by jumping. In that same note, enjoy your station games while you can before CCP adds Tethering to stations. It will be changed eventually so there's less risks on station camping revolved around instant-locking and bumping. See? I can sound petulant too. Actually. That sounds like a great idea. Stations games are terrible.
Players should be both be at risk in this game and not allowed to evade a fight so easily once they have committed.
There is far too much safety in this game. Can't really blame the self-interested players who whine for more safety, or the clever ones that master the mechanics to create it for themselves, but CCP has to resist this and be ever-vigilant to prevent this game from stagnating under its content-smothering effects.
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Disposable Chick
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:00:30 -
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Yea be cocky untill you lose a mothership like this, and then you will be the bigest baby cry bitches in eve. |
Nicolai Serkanner
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
610
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:06:14 -
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Being creative is not an exploit. Also, post with your main or GTFO. |
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
New Order Logistics CODE.
703
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:23:13 -
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#2 rule of EVE: trust no one. If you want to guarantee safe logistics, set up your own citadels and don't rely on some kind stranger's "freeports". You've learnt something from your loss, whatever it was - now let uncle Darwin sort out the rest. |
Cade Windstalker
779
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:37:57 -
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You use other's Citadels at your own risk. This is absolutely intentional by CCP and your mistake if you rely on it. |
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3097
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:40:39 -
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Neuntausend wrote:The question is: Why should the owner not be allowed to change docking/tethering rights whenever they want to? It's their citadel/outpost after all. If they want to change it, they should be allowed to do so. Travelers should take care which outposts and citadels they use as mid points. If you do not trust the owner, don't use their infrastructure.
Does the access rights application really need to be instant? I don't mind imprudent people getting locked out but right now, even if you were to be prudent and checked the citadels seconds before jumping, the owner could beat you by swapping the ACL while you are in the jump animation. |
Ocean Ormand
Bagel and Lox
54
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:41:32 -
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Fortunately nobody reads these things anyway.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
2559
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:44:38 -
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hahahahahahaha! oh goodness, I haven't laughed at a post here in a while, really needed that.
Trust is the most valuable commodity in eve and well, a neutral "freeport" has none from me. I can only assume people with capitals should know enough to know likewise...
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1529
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Posted - 2017.02.14 19:49:11 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Does the access rights application really need to be instant? I don't mind imprudent people getting locked out but right now, even if you were to be prudent and checked the citadels seconds before jumping, the owner could beat you by swapping the ACL while you are in the jump animation. Yes, I do think it needs to be instant. If it's your structure, you can shut the doors whenever you want, and you can open them whenever you want. People would not trust a neutral party to provide the mid-point cyno for them, so why would they trust a neutral party to provide the mid-point station? Use NPC Null/Lowsec or blue/green citadels and outposts when traveling, and you will never even run into this issue. |
Salvos Rhoska
2112
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:17:32 -
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Hilarious, and entirely valid.
Unfortunately, may result in even more Citadel spam.
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Zoubidah Al-Kouffarde
Imperial Shipment Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:19:02 -
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Disposable Chick wrote:Ladies and Gents
Why freeport can be instantly changed to NO freeport? Good question! Aparently there is no answers to it atm and CCP turns a blind eye to Trillions (and i mean ttrillions) of isk lost by players to this exploit to this day.
Just buy PLEX to offset the losses.
Are you poor? xD
"You would not be the first "ganker aligned" player to be found to having some issues. Here's a dark secret: there are some in AG who, because of battling gankers, have managed to get to know a few of them, found they had issues, and helped them" HW
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2Sonas1Cup
230
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Posted - 2017.02.14 20:25:53 -
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I really like this mechanic, I hope ccp will never change it. |
Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1495
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:01:02 -
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Disposable Chick wrote:Yea be cocky untill you lose a mothership like this, and then you will be the bigest baby cry bitches in eve. I doubt it. You have that spot all sewn up already.
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Expendable Unit
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
35
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:05:58 -
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Citadels ..... lol |
Ptraci
3 R Corporation The Irukandji.
1988
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:13:43 -
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Not an exploit but working as designed. It's up to you to make sure of where you are docking. Not all free ports are created equal. |
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
192
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Posted - 2017.02.14 21:38:48 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Neuntausend wrote:The question is: Why should the owner not be allowed to change docking/tethering rights whenever they want to? It's their citadel/outpost after all. If they want to change it, they should be allowed to do so. Travelers should take care which outposts and citadels they use as mid points. If you do not trust the owner, don't use their infrastructure. Does the access rights application really need to be instant? I don't mind imprudent people getting locked out but right now, even if you were to be prudent and checked the citadels seconds before jumping, the owner could beat you by swapping the ACL while you are in the jump animation.
if they are watching you so carefully, that they can slam the doors in your face while you are mid-jump animation, then why shouldn't they get the kill? |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1180
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Posted - 2017.02.15 01:36:25 -
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Bjorn Tyrson wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Neuntausend wrote:The question is: Why should the owner not be allowed to change docking/tethering rights whenever they want to? It's their citadel/outpost after all. If they want to change it, they should be allowed to do so. Travelers should take care which outposts and citadels they use as mid points. If you do not trust the owner, don't use their infrastructure. Does the access rights application really need to be instant? I don't mind imprudent people getting locked out but right now, even if you were to be prudent and checked the citadels seconds before jumping, the owner could beat you by swapping the ACL while you are in the jump animation. if they are watching you so carefully, that they can slam the doors in your face while you are mid-jump animation, then why shouldn't they get the kill? \
^^This. That kind of dedication deserves that level of reward.
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Aiwha
Infinite Point Test Alliance Please Ignore
1222
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Posted - 2017.02.15 11:05:57 -
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Its obviously not a freeport if you die on it.
Sanity is fun leaving the body.
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5572
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Posted - 2017.02.15 11:17:20 -
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Neuntausend wrote:The question is: Why should the owner not be allowed to change docking/tethering rights whenever they want to? It's their citadel/outpost after all. If they want to change it, they should be allowed to do so. Travelers should take care which outposts and citadels they use as mid points. If you do not trust the owner, don't use their infrastructure. Man, I've been agreeing with your all posts for the past few days. Does this mean I've gone over to the dark side? Wait for it... "Baited on a freeport", lol.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Althalus Stenory
Flying Blacksmiths
108
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Posted - 2017.02.15 12:19:27 -
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Some people seem to forget that trust is more valuable than ISK when they do logistics ^^
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Major Trant
Radchak's Raiders
1597
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Posted - 2017.02.15 12:30:51 -
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I'm amazed that so many people would risk such high value ships on the undock of an unknown Citadel. When I used to do logistics for a low sec corp I wouldn't even trust corp mates to light a cyno for me on an NPC station. I guess this is a case of people just not realising the danger, in time this fact will become wide know and only the occassional fool will do it.
Don't see this as a bug or exploit myself.
I've never tried to jump to a Citadel, but with an NPC station there is a 10 second session timer after the jump before you can dock. Does that apply to Citadel tethers too? Also if you are already tethered and your docking rights are removed, does the tether drop? |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
33
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Posted - 2017.02.15 14:52:13 -
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Working as intended. You get +1 for treating CCP the same way college activists treat your local government,
THEY STOOD IDLY BY AND DID NOTHING, MAN |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
6
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Posted - 2017.02.15 18:07:09 -
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I do wonder if there should be a timer on this sort of thing.
We have a 24 hour timer on switching a corp from friendly fire allowed to not allowed for example. So there is some precedent for not allowing others to catch those who are doing their due diligence due to instantly being able to change settings that put them in danger.
In the example above the fleet did in fact check to see if docking was safe. Having the citadel wait 24 hours (or even one hour) from changing to and from freeport status doesn't seem like a vastly difference concept than waiting to set FOF status in a corp. |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
1551
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Posted - 2017.02.15 18:49:30 -
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I wouldn't mind if the friendly fire switch was instant as well. I see no reason for the 24 hour grace period there.
On a citadel, I think it's quite important to be able to make changes to docking rights instantaneously. Who your friend or your enemy is may change, people come, people go, coalitions are formed and they break apart again. And if you are not on friendly terms anymore with a party you are allowing to dock at your structures, then you may want to revoke that right quickly. Having a now neutral or potentially hostile party that is allowed to tether and dock with potentially hundreds of your citadels for another day would be a nightmare. The ability to trap and scam with this mechanic is just a bonus, although in my case a very welcome one. |
MadMuppet
A Better Corp Name
1186
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Posted - 2017.02.15 18:56:40 -
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I think it should remain instant. First, it allows for station games, which is a good thing. Second these are privately owned structures of corporations, not NPC structures, people using them are CHOOSING to use them. Third, nobody wants to be able to host a hostile group in their own structure. "we are going to blow up your station, and use it to repair ourselves too!"... uh no.
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