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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.02.22 15:20:52 -
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Otago Dogwalker wrote:The event is only dropping skins as it is, to all intents and purposes, a business function. One of those mind numbing do's where they sit you by the bins unless your "team" has sold the most paper this year. At least the Angels aren't dropping looted hotel towels and mini soaps... BTW these sites are easy in an Algos, 5 drones and 3 Rails. No probs... Otago
I was running them in a tristan with no guns (fitted for FW pvp).
Not time efficient, but a way to kill time while waiting on a fleet to form up. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
18
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Posted - 2017.02.22 15:23:31 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Now it start respawning like hell...
Anyway to everyone who says "EVE IS PVP CORE GAME";
I have a realy simple question; How u get ISK u little PVPer for all of your ships? or How u get a ships for your PVP stuff? (including modules, ammo etc) and don't try to lie to me because at the very begining u had to do and probably still u have to do PVE stuff to earn ISK for ships/modules/ammo;
All that hardcore SOV Null sec Alliances - why they hold theirs a little piece of space? FOR ANOMALIES , ISK - RATTING, simple as that.
Many view the market as PvP. You're not interacting with NPC's very often when you buy or sell products.
I'm by no means a market/manufacturing warrior... but I do station trade and I know others do the same to cover PvP losses. And if you view the market as a PvP arena then you are making isk through pvp to cover pvp losses. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5700
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:12:25 -
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Market bots aren't real people, either.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:16:42 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Market bots aren't real people, either.
It's still an account. Just like killing a bot miner is still recorded as PvP... competing against a bot in the market is still "market PvP". |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5703
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:25:20 -
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Scialt wrote:It's still an account. Just like killing a bot miner is still recorded as PvP... competing against a bot in the market is still "market PvP". These scenarios aren't PvP - they're PvE. There's no difference between server-side AI actions and client-side AI actions. If fact, the "bot" could be sitting on a server in a data center halfway around the world from where the "player" is. Even competing against "real" players in the marketplace is stretching the definition of PvP.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Trevize Demerzel
68
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:32:35 -
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I run the sites in null...
I've an over supply of Corvette skins.. Cause ya know everybody in null flies Corvettes....
:-)
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Nivek Rensir
The Devils Syndicate INTERNET SPACESHIP.
0
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Posted - 2017.02.22 16:53:59 -
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Hi everyone, so far I am enjoying the Gala event. I have done over 40 of the sites now and enjoy getting all the FREE skins. While I have yet to get a drug drop, the fact that i am getting free skins for just heading out and spending a few minutes of my time completely compensates for that. I'm not sure why so many people are complaining here. CCP doesn't have to do this. They are free skins for extremely minimal time allotment. You don't have to do the event. If you don't like the skins then move on, there's plenty more content for you out there. They are creating content that is quick and easy to accomplish in any part of Eve. Seems like a bunch of carebears crying that they don't get leet gear for nothing. Its extra content that has been put out there so people, both alpha and omega, can get more skins for their ships. I for one am thankful for this. I just wish I had paid attention when the last events happened. Keep up the good work CCP. |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:27:19 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Scialt wrote:It's still an account. Just like killing a bot miner is still recorded as PvP... competing against a bot in the market is still "market PvP". These scenarios aren't PvP - they're PvE. There's no difference between server-side AI actions and client-side AI actions. If fact, the "bot" could be sitting on a server in a data center halfway around the world from where the "player" is. Even competing against "real" players in the marketplace is stretching the definition of PvP.
I've heard of guys admitting to losing billions when another player screwed with the market of items they were heavily invested in. Not sure why that's any different then blowing up a ship and pod worth billions. It's just slower (and not my cup of tea either). I can't deny that players are competing against each other and some win while others lose.
And while I'm sure bots exist, I don't think they're anywhere near as prevalent as people think. And there's no way to tell if it's just me checking orders and updating prices in a .01 isk manner while watching netflix or a bot... the markets are full of "bot aspirant" behavior (to use a CODEism). |
Scialt
Universal Sanitation Corporation
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:29:37 -
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As for the skins... I'm pretty happy with them. I did enough sites to get the skins for the ships I commonly fly... and as I fly Gallente it's worked out pretty good for me (finally got the Ishtar and Dominix last night).
I really like the way the Tristan skin looks. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
942
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Posted - 2017.02.22 17:40:36 -
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You do realize this is a Valentines Day event right? It doesn't have the same oomph that other events might have.
Also, the SKINS are awesome, and a good reward for doing a site. Skill Boosters just make people more ravenous to complete these sites, which means there's less demand for them. In turn that means more chances for anyone who actually wants to run them to get a shot at it. |
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Otago Dogwalker
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2017.02.23 05:11:30 -
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It makes me laugh to see people moaning that this event is boring, epic fail and the rest.
The times i've seen a Gila or a Rattler clearing a Guardian Gala site, done in two seconds. The exact sort of people who are like "oh, this event is rubbish", "PvE is dying" and all the other cobblers.
Try challenging yourselves and have fun with the site. CCP provides the framework, we, the content. Run these with an unusual fit, frigate or Algos, not just warp round a region blitzing every site.
Just how I see it...
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5717
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Posted - 2017.02.23 05:55:21 -
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The event is boring and the vast majority of SKINs are worthless. And truth be told, the SKINs really aren't that great, either. Even Alphas won't run the sites now - which is why you'll usually find 2-3 of the beacons in any system at any given time. But hey, if you're enjoying the event - knock yourself out. Some of us just remember the other events that were a lot more exciting.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Shae Tadaruwa
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
1533
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Posted - 2017.02.23 06:33:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Scialt wrote:It's still an account. Just like killing a bot miner is still recorded as PvP... competing against a bot in the market is still "market PvP". These scenarios aren't PvP - they're PvE. I agree. Miners aren't really players.
Killing a miner should be refered to as PvE, becuase they are just part of the environment. They have no real intelligence and aren't engaged in the play at all.
Dracvlad - "...Your intel is free intel, all you do is pay for it..." && "...If you warp on the same path as a cloaked ship, you'll make a bookmark at exactly the same spot as the cloaky camper..."
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
4
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Posted - 2017.02.23 07:43:03 -
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Really? u are showing me a kill from 2008?
About the link what u mentioned
https://puu.sh/ucJXb/44438a1116.png -> there are few more abilities than just reading - it's called also an UNDERSTANDING; CCP did not said "EVE IS A PVP SANDBOX GAME" they said "Eve is a pvp game IN SANDBOX WORLD" (well guess what . WoW is also a pvp game in sandbox world - well hell ALL THE MMO are that! hello to the world!)
And i already placed u another statment which is more correct that your funstories.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
4
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Posted - 2017.02.23 07:43:49 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Scialt wrote:It's still an account. Just like killing a bot miner is still recorded as PvP... competing against a bot in the market is still "market PvP". These scenarios aren't PvP - they're PvE. I agree. Miners aren't really players. Killing a miner should be refered to as PvE, becuase they are just part of the environment. They have no real intelligence and aren't engaged in the play at all.
Hope so you are trolling cause without a miner u won't even get an a rifter; |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 10:50:06 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote:I agree. Miners aren't really players.
Killing a miner should be refered to as PvE, becuase they are just part of the environment. They have no real intelligence and aren't engaged in the play at all. I can't tell if you're serious or just being facetious... But yes, mining is one of those borderline styles of PvE play which also extend to trading and planetary interaction. I wouldn't cllassify these as unintelligent but rather, "less immersive".
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47116
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:00:58 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Really? u are showing me a kill from 2008? About the link what u mentioned https://puu.sh/ucJXb/44438a1116.png -> there are few more abilities than just reading - it's called also an UNDERSTANDING; CCP did not said "EVE IS A PVP SANDBOX GAME" they said "Eve is a pvp game IN SANDBOX WORLD" (well guess what . WoW is also a pvp game in sandbox world - well hell ALL THE MMO are that! hello to the world!) And i already placed u another statment which is more correct that your funstories. You asked for proof that you had ganked someone in highsec. You got proof. You were a ganker at one point.
As to what CCP have said, they didn't say either of what you've written there. They said as quoted earlier:
"The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish"
That is in stark contract to your claim earlier that "any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden."
Ganking is not forbidden. It's perfectly allowed within the rules of the game. You've been a ganker, so should know this already. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5729
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:08:05 -
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Not entirely sure how a thread about the Guardian's Gala event turned into another ganking discussion, but carry-on...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Naye Nathaniel
COBRA INC
6
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Posted - 2017.02.23 11:30:01 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Really? u are showing me a kill from 2008? About the link what u mentioned https://puu.sh/ucJXb/44438a1116.png -> there are few more abilities than just reading - it's called also an UNDERSTANDING; CCP did not said "EVE IS A PVP SANDBOX GAME" they said "Eve is a pvp game IN SANDBOX WORLD" (well guess what . WoW is also a pvp game in sandbox world - well hell ALL THE MMO are that! hello to the world!) And i already placed u another statment which is more correct that your funstories. You asked for proof that you had ganked someone in highsec. You got proof. You were a ganker at one point. As to what CCP have said, they didn't say either of what you've written there (and neither did I). They said as quoted earlier: "The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish"That is in stark contract to your claim earlier that " any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden." Ganking is not forbidden. It's perfectly allowed within the rules of the game. You've been a ganker, so should know this already.
Let's make it clear; Since when saying "Eve is a PVP game"; Means: Ganking others in high sec is alowed as if im not wrong I already give you a proof its not?
And yeah... this is not a topic about ganking others... Im just bitching the gala sites stops spawning but it like to spawn again since 2 days ago; Can;t get it;
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59467
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Posted - 2017.02.23 12:42:41 -
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Sorry for going off topic but I gotta respond to this.
Scipio Artelius wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Really? u are showing me a kill from 2008? About the link what u mentioned https://puu.sh/ucJXb/44438a1116.png -> there are few more abilities than just reading - it's called also an UNDERSTANDING; CCP did not said "EVE IS A PVP SANDBOX GAME" they said "Eve is a pvp game IN SANDBOX WORLD" (well guess what . WoW is also a pvp game in sandbox world - well hell ALL THE MMO are that! hello to the world!) And i already placed u another statment which is more correct that your funstories. You asked for proof that you had ganked someone in highsec. You got proof. You were a ganker at one point. As to what CCP have said, they didn't say either of what you've written there (and neither did I). They said as quoted earlier: "The essential core concept of EVE Online is that it is a fulltime pvp in a sandbox environment...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish"That is in stark contract to your claim earlier that " any behavior of ganking others in High sec space is forbidden." Ganking is not forbidden. It's perfectly allowed within the rules of the game. You've been a ganker, so should know this already. Dude, you're stretching it quite thin now. He said forbidden, not prohibited.
If it was prohibited in Empire space, players wouldn't be able to do it. If it was allowed in Empire space, there wouldn't be any consequences for that action. Plain and simple, it's forbidden by Empire law which means players can still do it but they'll suffer consequences for that action.
In high sec, Concord will dispense swift retribution and destroy the attacking ship. The attacker's security status is lowered and they're flagged as a criminal for 15 minutes allowing everyone to freely attack them.
In low sec, Gate / Station guns within range will fire on the attacker. The attacker's security status is lowered and they're flagged as a criminal for 15 minutes allowing everyone to freely attack them.
Bottom line, in Empire space all unjustified attacks on capsuleers is forbidden, not prohibited or allowed. Now if you're in null sec or w-space then it's allowed with no consequences whatsoever.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
64
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:12:51 -
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Ganking is not a gameplay issue. /thread |
pinkajoo
47
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Posted - 2017.02.23 13:28:24 -
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@why ganking Haha, I was in an Alpha Gnosis the other day and I was doing these sites for a while. Then this Ishtar suddenly pops up @75km while I was on the last cruiser - just in time for the BC - what effing lucky timing. So as expected, he sniped the BC and the wreck was yellow to me.
But he was @65km. (Did he just assume im a carebear?!11!)
I turned off my safety, aligned and looted the yellow wreck and jumped out laughing! In hindsight, I should've typed GF in local.. He followed me for a bit, did the old keep-gate-cloak switcharoo as he assumed I warped off into another Gala site on one system and burned back to gate to backtrack to the past systems we jumped thru.
As I was logging off in a station, I saw his name pop up in local. Big smile.
There was a lot of times I could've been tackled at gates since I was a suspect, this particular sniper could've had a tackling alt nearby while we were back at that site, etc etc.. the event does generate opportunities for conflict and the means to 'settle' them. |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47117
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Posted - 2017.02.23 16:14:57 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Dude, you're stretching it quite thin now. He said forbidden, not prohibited.
If it was prohibited in Empire space, players wouldn't be able to do it. Hombre,
There may be some cultural difference in the understanding of forbidden. I'm not normally one to go to definitions, since that borders on pedantry. In this case, it explains well why I don't agree that pvp in highsec is forbidden: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/forbidden
DeMichael Crimson wrote:In low sec, Gate / Station guns within range will fire on the attacker. The attacker's security status is lowered and they're flagged as a criminal for 15 minutes allowing everyone to freely attack them. Incorrect. If you are going to quote mechanics, at least get them correct. If you activate a module against a pod in lowsec, you will be flagged criminal. if you just shoot a ship, you'll be flagged suspect. |
Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
953
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Posted - 2017.02.23 16:55:12 -
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Shae Tadaruwa wrote: I agree. Miners aren't really players.
Killing a miner should be refered to as PvE, becuase they are just part of the environment. They have no real intelligence and aren't engaged in the play at all.
Your CODE. narrative is showing. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59505
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Posted - 2017.02.24 09:53:30 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:In low sec, Gate / Station guns within range will fire on the attacker. The attacker's security status is lowered and they're flagged as a criminal for 15 minutes allowing everyone to freely attack them. Incorrect. If you are going to quote mechanics, at least get them correct. If you activate a module against a pod in lowsec, you will be flagged criminal. if you just shoot a ship, you'll be flagged suspect. OK, you're right on the flagging issue.
However you're still giving the wrong impression when you say doing an unprovoked attack on another Capsuleer in Empire space is allowed.
In-game there's Legal and Illegal Aggression
Aggression is legal if the target is in your corporation (friendly fire enabled), at war with your corporation, alliance or militia, has a security status of -5 or lower, has a suspect timer, has a criminal timer, or has a limited engagement timer with you. These targets can be engaged in any security level of space without any consequences. Any target that doesn't meet this criteria is an illegal target and will gain the following consequences depending on the security level of the space they're in.
In high security space (1.0 to 0.5): Security status loss Gain a criminal timer CONCORD destroys ship Sentry guns attack if within 150km range
In low security space (0.4 to 0.1): Security status loss Gain a suspect timer for attacking a ship Gain a criminal timer for attacking a capsule, Sentry guns attack if within 150km range
In null security space or wormholes: No consequences
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47121
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Posted - 2017.02.24 23:34:14 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:However you're still giving the wrong impression when you say doing an unprovoked attack on another Capsuleer in Empire space is allowed.
In-game there's Legal and Illegal Aggression That's just a different use of words. I'm not saying there are no consequences. There are, but players are still allowed to shoot other players in highsec.
The guy claiming ganking is forbidden is now claiming its against the EULA. It clearly isn't. It's an allowed mechanic. There are consequences for doing it, but in CCP's own words (which is also quoted above - so not sure where the wrong impression would come from):
"...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish" |
Penance Toralen
Compass Fox
32
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Posted - 2017.02.25 00:43:48 -
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It is something of a pity that a mechanic/event oriented towards Alphas did not have rewards equally orientated to their ship lineup. |
Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
485
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Posted - 2017.02.25 00:46:42 -
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Penance Toralen wrote:It is something of a pity that a mechanic/event oriented towards Alphas did not have rewards equally orientated to their ship lineup.
It wasn't oriented towards Alphas, it was oriented towards everyone. It was a delivery vehicle to give us the skins. That is all it was. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
59519
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Posted - 2017.02.25 01:23:42 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:DeMichael Crimson wrote:However you're still giving the wrong impression when you say doing an unprovoked attack on another Capsuleer in Empire space is allowed.
In-game there's Legal and Illegal Aggression That's just a different use of words. I'm not saying there are no consequences. There are, but players are still allowed to shoot other players in highsec. The guy claiming ganking is forbidden is now claiming it's against the EULA. It clearly isn't. It's an allowed mechanic. There are consequences for doing it, but in CCP's own words (which is also quoted above - so not sure where the wrong impression would come from): "...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish" The wrong impression is when you say it's allowed which basically implies no consequences for that action.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
47125
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Posted - 2017.02.25 09:47:11 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote: "...In highsec there may be consequences if a pilot attacks another without just cause, but they can still make that attack if they wish"
The wrong impression is when you say it's allowed which basically implies no consequences for that action. It could be expressed better, such as 'Players may shoot other players in high sec but will face consequences for unprovoked attacks.' Can't be written any clearer than the quote included, for the third time now.
But -»\_(pâä)_/-», how you interpret words doesn't mean that was my intent and from past experience, if I'd written something different, someone else would have interpreted it in the way that allows them to object, just like here.
It's why I generally go for quotes directly from CCP. If you want to argue with their words, go address them.
As for me, I'm happy to write that it is allowed to shoot anyone, anytime, anywhere, for whatever reason. Shooting other people is not forbidden anywhere in EVE (and certainly not against the EULA). There are consequences, but it's not forbidden. |
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