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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5590
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:37:08 -
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Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance?
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Hir Miriel
Elves In Space
301
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:53:41 -
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We are strikingly handsome.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3958
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:54:52 -
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pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5590
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:55:40 -
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Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful...
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3959
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Posted - 2017.02.16 11:59:59 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out.
i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars
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Starrakatt
Celtic Anarchy The Bastard Cartel
649
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Posted - 2017.02.16 12:55:19 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars.
However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way.
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Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat Snuffed Out
3959
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Posted - 2017.02.16 13:12:24 -
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Starrakatt wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Hir Miriel wrote:We are strikingly handsome. That's almost helpful... Lan Wang wrote:pirates little helper will give you quick access to zkill and other data, however i dont think there is a reliable way to tell an alpha from a new char who has just skill injected and if flying in a t1 frigate Kind of suspected that might be the case. It's too bad, as it would make it a lot easier for some of us veterans to spot and help them out. i am sometime dubious about helping out people with isk for this reason, they may not be alphas or new players, just the typical jita beggars I never hand out ISK to EVE beggars. However, whenever I genuinely end up helping a new player (for whatever reason) the player may well find him/herself with a nice surprise deposit in his or her wallet along the way.
yeah thats what i mean
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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58517
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Posted - 2017.02.16 13:18:00 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Hopefully there isn't any way to easily determine the difference between Alpha and Omega Clones. If there is, it could probably be used as an exploit to easily boost Killmails.
DMC
'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
27656
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Posted - 2017.02.16 14:13:13 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Arthur Aihaken wrote:Is there an easy way to determine which players are Alphas at a casual glance? Hopefully there isn't any way to easily determine the difference between Alpha and Omega Clones. If there is, it could probably be used as an exploit to easily boost Killmails. DMC Me too, I'm going Alpha in a couple of days thanks to a gearbox made of belly button fluff sucking my wallet dry.
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Joey Bags
School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State
44
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:12:09 -
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You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas
You can pick your friends and you can pick your nose but you can't pick your friends nose.
Unless you podded them...and collected their corpse.
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Yarosara Ruil
Haighare Pirates
923
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:29:29 -
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It's 2017. Are you using employment history to get a ballpark of how much SP a character has too?
Just saying, Alphas have limited skills, but it's the player that makes a character deadly. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3110
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Posted - 2017.02.16 18:33:00 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas
So shoot first and get answer later?
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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5606
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Posted - 2017.02.16 23:20:30 -
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I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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Tuttomenui II
Aliastra Gallente Federation
463
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Posted - 2017.02.16 23:39:04 -
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I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you? Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?
Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it. |
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
5607
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Posted - 2017.02.17 00:38:06 -
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Tuttomenui II wrote:I'm a 2008 character who can fly command ships but am instead flying around in a Gnosis. What does that tell you? Is identifying Alpha players even necessary?
Alpha does not equal new player, some older players like me who are alpha don't really need help. But I do support your idea of helping new bros. I have gone to starter systems and given away bpcs for frigs and cruisers to new players. Hanging out around the lvl 1 epic arc system is a good way to spot some people who ask for help and usually really need it.
That you're cheap? Well, new Alpha and Omega bros then. I know there's probably the potential for abuse, but it would be nice when I'm just sitting around waiting to be able to actually help some of these players out. Yes, there are the various channels but these have been dead anytime I've checked on them and it doesn't really work if they're halfway across the map.
I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
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mkint
1476
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:04:07 -
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Not being able to tell is part of the intended design. They don't want a caste system to develop around clone states. And getting intended design to be changed is far trickier than "wouldn't it be nice" changes.
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Bjorn Tyrson
EVE University Ivy League
202
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Posted - 2017.02.17 02:13:45 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help.
It would also make it much easier to target them as easy kills, which could have a negative effect on player retention (yes I know that players who engage in pvp, consensual or otherwise are more likely to stick around.) but there are many players who would actively target them if there was an easy way to identify them. which would probably have the opposite effect.
While I appreciate your desire to help, just because someone is omega does not mean they are a veteran, and not all alphas are newbros. being able to identify them easily would not actually make helping new players any easier, and would simply open up alphas to the possibility of additional harassment. |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
58553
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Posted - 2017.02.17 04:16:36 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas I don't think that's accurate.
Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones.
DMC
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Omar Alharazaad
Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance
3249
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:11:20 -
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What I fail to understand is why one might care whether or not a player is an alpha or an omega.
Come hell or high water, this sick world will know I was here.
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
69
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:43:43 -
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Easy way to detect alphas: ask.
I dunno who thought of the idea of us not generating killmails.. But I like it. I'll totally spread it. We don't. We don't drop loot either. And Bob sneezes on those who kill alphas, making their cap drain faster.
Or worse.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
652
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Posted - 2017.02.17 06:55:12 -
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DeMichael Crimson wrote:Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas I don't think that's accurate. Not that I regularly check but I don't remember any Dev Blog stating that a Killmail will not be generated for destroying Alpha Clones. I think he meant killmarker on hull. Killmails are generated.
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Alpha CEO
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.02.17 07:31:55 -
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Arthur Aihaken wrote:I was just thinking it would help new player retention if they were easier to spot and assist. Looking up each player in local is a bit tedious and a lot of new players are reluctant to ask for help. I want to learn to pvp and get into big fleet fights in nullsec. Can you help me? |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
39
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Posted - 2017.02.17 07:34:00 -
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Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3113
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:34:09 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis.
Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? |
Wolfgang Jannesen
The Evesploratory Society
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:48:08 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis?
I guess so, I certainly haven't touched the thing since they were given out. |
March rabbit
Mosquito Squadron The-Culture
2069
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Posted - 2017.02.17 14:48:13 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly
Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area.....
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Yebo Lakatosh
Open University of Celestial Hardship Art of War Alliance
71
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Posted - 2017.02.17 15:02:24 -
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Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:The Gnosis. Hahaha. That's spot on.
Alphas in Gnosises remind me of the fellows who fly battleships sooner than opening their dscan window the first time. Do my brothers a favor and shoot 'em.
They say Alpha clones are only for trying stuff. I say it's just the Hard Mode.
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CCP Darwin
C C P C C P Alliance
2399
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Posted - 2017.02.17 16:12:05 -
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Joey Bags wrote:You get a killmarker for destroying an Omegas ship, not for Alphas This is not accurate. You get a kill mark for any kill for which
1) You get a final blow (typically you should also receive a kill mail.) 2) The target is a ship that is not a capsule, shuttle, or rookie ship. 3) You and the target pilot are not in the same corp.
Kill marks on ships should usually update immediately, however it's possible for them not to update immediately, in which case they should update on a session change (docking/jumping) or receiving another kill mark.
If you kill a player who is playing as an Alpha clone and meets the requirements listed above, you should receive a kill mark for it.
CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Software Engineer, Art & Graphics, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3116
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Posted - 2017.02.17 18:56:00 -
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March rabbit wrote:Frostys Virpio wrote:Wolfgang Jannesen wrote:Quickest way to identify an alpha?
The Gnosis. Are you assuming no Omega would ever fly a Gnosis? Omegas have better ships to fly Actually when i'm thinking about it.... I'm not sure if i ever seen Gnosis at all.... Maybe once in Dodixie used as bait for noobs.... But not as real PvP or PVE machine in our 0.0 area.....
Check Z-kill and you will see a lot of Gnosis losses which could not be piloted by alpha clones. |
Takh Meir'noen
24th Imperial Recon
10
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Posted - 2017.02.17 21:01:30 -
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Hang out in Rookie Help--three people there:
1. New players less than 1 month old. 2. Vets hanging out to help the new players. 3. Character transfers that forget to close the channel.
So how do you determine the difference between 1 and 2-3?
Just say something incorrect in the channel, and all the 2s and 3s will bite your ******* head off. |
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